Breaking Down The Barron & Carrier Trade | The Sick Podcast with Tony Marinaro December 19 2024

On this episode of The Sick Podcast, Brian Wilde joins Tony Marinaro to discuss the Canadiens trading Justin Barron for Alex Carrier, the untouchable players in the Canadiens organization, the chances of the Habs making the playoffs and more!
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[@HubCityIcon]

8:28

[@papawpickles]

No way would I do Caufield for Dahlin. Let alone Hutson on top of that. Thats just a horrrible trade proposal.

[@ericbaker2025]

Let's be honest here....the HABS are still 3 more seasons out from being playoff ready. That means the rebuild will have taken 6 years and that is rough. When I say 3 more season to be playoff ready, I'm not indicating Stanley Cup ready....I just mean making the playoffs. Montreal will not be cup ready until they address huge holes in this line up.

[@aramboyadjiam2782]

Wasn’t the 2nd round pick included in the lehkonen trade packaged for the pick that lead to Hage?

[@MSLmtlpartisan]

yes

[@Dotngg6050]

Tes

[@SamuelAtalla]

This was a necessary "fit/need" move, a small improvement and good step in the right direction to tweak the roster, but not one to propel them to make a playoff run. So don't expect more. Temper your expectations. It makes a lot of sense. A. A decision had to be made on JB. B. Shortage of RDs. C. Makes Savard movable at the deadline (if they wanted to) as Carrier can pick up the #1 PK minutes and defensive match ups vs top pairings

[@powers1500]

Montreal will not resign Savard which has slowed down quite a bit this year, so it looks like they already found his replacement !!!

[@SamuelAtalla]

@ I'm almost certain they will as long as there is demand.

[@danmore7587]

Can this team get big gritty players?

[@rgood1204]

Like trading for a 5'11" 174 pound defenseman? Can't have too many of them for a deep playoff run. 🤔

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@@rgood1204Colorado has Makar 5’11 and Girard 5’10 and won a cup so you can have two of them.

[@rgood1204]

@@HabsTypeBeat - They also had MacKinnon, Rantanan and Landeskog, so that makes a difference. By the way Makar has been compared to Orr. That's a pretty high bar for Hutson who is not 5'10 unless Nick Suzuki is 6'1.

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@@rgood1204 No shxt but can you win with it?

[@powers1500]

@@rgood1204 That's what I thought when I heard Montreal traded for Alex Carrier !!!

[@swgolf8174]

Who would be the best fit for Montreal in the 2025 NHL draft? Personally I’m high on Misa, a center who can score and plays a solid two way game. Thoughts

[@onesharpmarble]

Schaefer, honestly we need a real puck moving dman.

[@rgood1204]

"Two way game" is overrated. Give me Kane, Kucherov, Malkin, Stamkos, Draisaitl, Ovechkin or Lafleur i.e. pure offensive talents. Something Montreal has lacked for decades. Will never forget trading 90 plus point Pierre Turgeon for a 3 years older and washed Shayne Corson (grit allegedly over an offensive force).

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@@onesharpmarbleWhat is a real puck moving D?

[@powers1500]

Montreal will only have a chance at Misa or even Schaefer if they win the draft lottery. Misa is a futur 1C but Schaefer is a futur Norris trophy winner, he will likely go first overall since he is one of the youngest prospects of the draft. However, Misa is no Celibrini but better than a Suzuki. Looking at the standings, Montreal could easily start playing better and end up drafting 9th to 10th. It all depends what teams will decide to tank solid at the trade deadline !!!

[@swgolf8174]

@@powers1500 the problem is that he’s another left handed defence man which would push either guhle or Hutson to the 3rd line or make them have to play on their offside which is incredibly tough

[@jamessneddon9956]

Like the optimism but Habs won’t make the playoffs. Habs would have to get 63 pts in final 51 games to reach 90 pts. A winning % of .618. That would be 7th best in the East. From a team that is currently 15th in the East. Don’t see the turnaround with the current roster.

[@jasdosanjh7211]

Matthew Schaeffer will go 1st overall. Can't pass on a defenseman is good as he is.

[@rgood1204]

"Juice in the playoffs." Tampa Bay had one forward 6'3 and 234 lbs in their cup win over Montreal, Pat Maroon and 6'2 204 lb Barclay Goodrow. None of their other forwards were over 6'1 Point 5'11 180 pounds, Kucherov 6' 165 pounds, Stamkos 6'1 193 pounds. They faired pretty well in the playoffs. It did help to have Hedman, McDonough and Sergachev on the blue line and Vasilevskiy in goal.

[@robertlegault9226]

Tampa have Small players but they play as the predator ( attack first ) getting away with questionable dirty hits because they were small.

[@powers1500]

Indeed, a great goalie plus a great defense can take you far in the playoffs; however, if you also add talented/elite forwards to it, then you have a stanley cup winner !!!

[@adamCarter20]

That's the thing, Montreal does not have a Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, nowhere close!

[@powers1500]

@@adamCarter20 They don't have a Hedman, a Shergachev nor Vasilevsky either !!!

[@adamCarter20]

@powers1500 That too!

[@milkcollins4764]

Has anyone thought that the 2nd overall pick was the prize here for Lehkonen with Barron being tradebait the whole time? We got a good defensman, French Canadian too!

[@Ottavio90]

Thats THE problem right there, “french canadian too” who gives af. Get good players, french-spanish-moroccan-chinese….quebec is a sad place lol

[@milkcollins4764]

@ a lot of cup winning teams have Canadians players lol

[@ericantonette7125]

No for Savard for next year. At the expense of who? Struble, Mailloux, reinbacher? two who have to stay in the minors

[@jon615]

The problem with Baron is his decision making. He panicked with the puck. He could be good but sometimes when players are drafted by a team, they have a timeline to be good and he’s just not there, for the habs. He might get there but it’s not going to be with the habs.

[@jamessneddon9956]

Interesting that Barron was rated highly by Nashville in his draft year and a player they have been watching for some time. Nashville has developed several strong defenceman under Barry Trotz. See what they do with JB. Time ran out in terms of his development in Montreal.

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@@jamessneddon9956They sold you a story (they also sold it to their media) and you ate it up lol.

[@jacqueslachance2741]

Baron had a plan untill he got punched in the face to quote Tyson

[@HabsEnthusiast]

Can someone tell Brian that "Mailloux" is not pronounced [Maill EUX] like "peux" "vanteu" but [Maill OU] like "yOU" or "lOOp". Thanks!

[@alexylaplante4141]

😂

[@Rastaboulotte]

Yeah, like Brendan Laroux actually.

[@kjnodwell]

This show was a home run! Really enjoyed it Tony and Brian!!

[@vdac1068]

Carrier is a great add. I wouldn’t move Savard I’d move Matheson while he is still worth something at his cap hit Vancouver needs a top 4 pick moving D St Louis could use one as well Bring back a Joshua or Holloway Need size / PWF in bottom 9 Move Armia, DVO keep Evans cuz centre depth ain’t looking so hot with Dach not playing well at 2C Beck is close and either him or Evans can play 3C Maybe package Newhook with DVO or Armia and bring in a 2C slide Dach over to wing until he gets his hockey legs and brain back he is killing the second line

[@rgood1204]

You need to have a trading partner (who is blind or grossly incompetent) to want Montreal throwaways. How about Jake Evans and a 5th round pick in 2029 for Nathan MacKinnon?

[@powers1500]

You should have been a GM 😅

[@rgood1204]

@@powers1500 - I almost wrote Connor McDavid. 🤣🤣

[@mvec646]

Good show guys, just a couple guys talking hockey. I like that style of pod cast a lot.

[@whitedragon1337]

What a joke...I wouldn't give Lane Hutson for Dahlin one for one....let alone adding Caufield....who are these clowns you guys are talking about?

[@papawpickles]

I want some of what Lemay is smoking .

[@Jooseppi420]

Lane is such a beast. Really like the kid.

[@Jooseppi420]

Its also easy to agree what you just said. Maybe they are wrong mushrooms.

[@justinlocke8390]

I love Lane don’t get me wrong, but I would at least have to give that trade some thought.

[@jjevans1693]

Lane is overated..

[@alexandretimbro5654]

Elsewhere in the league who is the best and accessible R-D to play with Hutson ? develops who could we get to play with him while Reinhbakher develops?

[@noiricha]

The only player on the Habs who has grit is Wifi - they need more players like this and obviously with skills. As Wifi's game improves his value to the team increases.

[@centerhice7948]

Great show

[@dden7670]

Brian, how the heck do you get Maill-eux out of Mailloux?

[@jacqueslachance2741]

Tony love the show and my question is :what would you say to the penalised club must start the next F/O with the same players that took the penalty ?

[@habinations]

canada and the usa are not at war with russia. theres no law or nhl rule that says they cant go there. saying otherwise is woke imo

[@whitedragon1337]

Good on Brian to say what many of us have been saying about Barron for ages

[@AG-xc5ni]

If Barron improves this season like Kovy3 did it will bring more scrunity to the coach; especially if Slafkovsky doesn't improve either.

[@MSLmtlpartisan]

Hutson - Matheson Guhle - Carrier Xhekaj - Savard Struble this seem to be the best d-corp that we can have for the rest of the season.

[@jjevans1693]

Matheson needs to go...

[@adamCarter20]

Horrible! Hutson and Matheson don't know how to play defense, Carrier is not that good either, Savard has lost a major step

[@MSLmtlpartisan]

@@jjevans1693 if the return is pretty good i'm not against it.

[@MSLmtlpartisan]

@@adamCarter20 so far they've being doing good together tho

[@adamCarter20]

@@MSLmtlpartisan ...no they haven't!!

[@russell7995]

Third pair for Savard helps Savard and Arber, so Carrier on the second pair is a great move.

[@She_26]

I hope JB will be fine. It's not like Montreal gave him much.

[@HabsTypeBeat]

He didn’t give us much.

[@She_26]

@@HabsTypeBeat How much would you expect him to give when the Habs only played him 17 games? Look what they're doing to Pezz. Same sh#t, different player. Look what was done to Xhekaj.

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@ Pezzetta is not and will never be a full time nhler. Barron hasn’t shown enough at any level. It may come for him at some point later like it did for Petry but it was looking unlikely. Guy just can’t defend, isn’t a good puck mover, isn’t physical at all and for an offensive defenseman even his offensive game wasn’t great.

[@She_26]

@@HabsTypeBeat Time will tell.

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@@She_26 It’s funny to see these comments now though after everyone said he is horrible for 2 years and that the Lehkonen trade was bad. Now all of a sudden this trade is bad and Barron is good. People just like to be contrarian.

[@Bcomplex]

If you were occupied by russian imperialism like we had for decades, and had war on your border and new neighbors children and mothers from ukraine escaping from russian agressive invasion you would not dismiss that journalist question, in fact i respect them for asking it

[@HabsTypeBeat]

What does that have to do with management going to see Demidov? Stop making everything about you. It’s narcissistic.

[@Bcomplex]

@@HabsTypeBeatyou must be joking

[@HabsTypeBeat]

@@Bcomplex You must be joking. Keep your politics away from our sports.

[@adamCarter20]

Blah blah blah blah blah

[@Bcomplex]

@@adamCarter20 exactly

[@michaelwhiter4308]

Barron still has potential, good trade for Nashville.

[@chrisbergeron2786]

That was the best sales pitch of the year tony … fruitiere gallard

[@matthewlarose9958]

Apparently Trotz has been high on him for awhile, he tried to get him last yr

[@michaelwhiter4308]

Defenceman take much longer to develop than forwards. Expecting a team to be good with 4-5 young defenceman is assinine!

[@appletile2887]

Guy Lafleur didn't bloom until 4 years into the league

[@rgood1204]

Lafleur didn't bloom because he was drafted on a team full of Hall of Fame players and didn't get first or second line minutes or power play time. He was also 20 years old. Lafreniere (to a lesser extent regarding the number of Hall of Fame teammates) also is just in the last year getting first line minutes and power play time. He's what 22/23?

[@davitong]

Tony and Brian agreed on the three untouchables: Hutson, Fowler, Demidov!

[@rgood1204]

I'd touch them for Celebrini, Smith and Askarov.

[@MrRidingman]

and Guhle

[@powers1500]

Rasmus Dahlin is a genuine top#1 defenseman, it would take a lot to get him out of Buffalo...!!!

[@alphamale4182]

Why no more moo si touu

[@lindsaybelaire123]

We are in such good shape only two years into a rebuild. This ain't no tick-tok. Keep the faith and stay the coarse. How many other teams have a Demigod, a Fowler best NCAA goalie! A wifi 2.0, Tuch on the 4th one day. Beck,Roy, Hage. The prospects and picks we have is excellent trade bait. I have never felt more confident in our management and the players who want to play for the front of tĥe Jersey and know what it means to be a Montreal Canadian. 🎉😊🎉

[@jjevans1693]

Its 3 full years now in January. So we're going into year 4 soon..

[@powers1500]

Keep drinking the kool-aid 👍

[@melleblanc971]

Kovacevich was the guy they should have kept. If he had av french name he would still be here,

[@galkanftw]

MTL fans have fallen to all new lows al we care about is seeing our fave players score some goals or how flashy a player looks apparently winning a Stanley Cup is no longer on the platter we are happy with failure.

[@adamCarter20]

I'm not happy with it! I stopped watching most of the games, if they're not in the mix next year, I won't watch them at all.

[@jacqueslachance2741]

Lane is untouchable AS is Xhekaj,Demidov❤ and Fowler

[@brunopaquette5920]

Carrier - 245 parties dans la LNH Guhle - 114 parties dans la LNH Xhekaj - 123 parties dans la LNH Carrier a 28 ans, juste pour comparaison : Savard a 28 ans 536 parties dans la LNH Matheson a 28 ans 462 parties dans la LNH Vétéran oui et non pour être honnête. Il faut mettre les choses en perspective.

[@SamuelAtalla]

Guhle 139* mais bon.. Carrier a aussi 279 matchs dans la AHL contre des hommes. C'est quand meme du bon mileage malgré pas NHL. On verra.

[@HabsTypeBeat]

That’s still a veteran.

[@1898JoeBoyle]

Chris Nilan is right, this team needs men

[@milkcollins4764]

“KO VA CHA VICH?” Wanted out of Montreal, it’s not that they didn’t trust him.

[@powers1500]

Never heard that he had wanted out of Montreal !!!

[@rgood1204]

@@powers1500 - All these "insiders" have knowledge I've never been able to get.

[@spiderjerusalem6887]

Wilde disrespecting Dobes is not a good look

[@StephanDuguay]

Carrier - 14 not good.

[@danmore7587]

Sounds like another bust

[@Intruder-xw6ye]

…just like your comment … you pole smoker

[@malakaspawt3190]

Bad trade. In 5 years from now when Barron is the age that Carrier is right now (28), this trade will look bad. I think Carrier's already past 90% of his potential. He's very close to his ceiling. Barron will be better in 5 years, when he's 28, than what Carrier is right now.

[@mackenzielowe1872]

Brian needs to stop interrupting

[@lindsaybelaire123]

What? Tony is the one that takes over! Depends on the guest. But it's his show who gives a toss it's what we ❤ and why we tune in every night. Go Habs Go!

[@AG-xc5ni]

The GM didn't trade Matheson and get an experienced top-4 RHDman in the off-season so now he's scrambling like he's handing in his half-done homework late 30 games in.

[@robertlegault9226]

I hope Barron was not held back because of the defensive system we play.

[@Peter-d3c8x]

Hughes lost all of his trades except for Laine