This and That: Kamila Valieva, Alina Zagitova, Kim Zmeskal and Vincent Zhou

[@qiwi2980]

0:00 Galina stories 6:05 Kamila Valieva 8:28 Alina Zagitova, Elisabet Tursynbaeva 12:08 Evgenia Medvedeva 12:28 Grigroy Rodchenkov's book 18:28 Morozov 19:00 Lindsay Thorngren 20:52 Vincent Zhou 21:12 back to Lindsay 24:20 qualification system 25:14 Pooja Kalyan, Tom Z 30:23 Vincent Zhou (33:42 Alyssa Liu) 36:08 Kelly Clarkson, Jennifer Hudson 39:14 Kim Zmeskal (46:42 Svetlana Khorkina, 40:45 Ragan Smith) 52:13 Abuse in figure skating (52:51 Johnny Weir) 53:30 Evgeni Plushenko 54:48 Veronika Zhilina 55:50 Tomoki Hiwatashi, Kristi Krall 59:04 Camden Pulkinen 1:00:53 Karen Chen 1:01:35 back to Kim Zmeskal 1:02:00 preview next competitions 1:04:25 Tamara Moksvina

[@corgeousgeorge]

Moskvina is my heart. The queen of DILLIGAF and may she always reign!

[@brettmayer247]

USA needs to start taking 4 Continents more seriously. Our ladies barely ever qualify for the Grand Prix Final anymore, which means the last big competition before Worlds is Nationals. Obviously a lot of the top skagers skip 4CC to have more time to train after Nats, but that means there's a big empty gap between when they have bigger international exposure (GP series) and actual worlds. We should be getting at least one medal every single year in ladies'. Japan has always taken it seriously and their girls are above us. Euro skaters have the Euros to really solidify their international experience for the season, but if our girls aren't really qualifying for GPF, then they have this big gap. As you said, our skaters 5-8 would be 12th place at another National Championships, so we need to stop sending those girls to 4CC and start sending our top girls (age eligible). No other country makes complaints about proximity time to another competition. We need more ISU medals.

[@a9029k]

Maybe we should move nationals to December like the Russians do

[@ColonelGreen]

The days when top skaters routinely skipped 4CC are already in the past. There weren't that many absences this year, and most of those were for training or school-related reasons (or, in Mariah's case, probably not wanting to go to Korea).

[@maryschreck2557]

Um, Bradie medaled at 4cc this year...

[@ColonelGreen]

@lawomann Unless a vaccine arrives on an accelerated schedule, holding 4CC anywhere is going to be virtually impossible (same with Worlds); Euros could maybe happen, though the EU-Russia border remains a problem.

[@JeremiVW]

Brett I agree with you about Four Continents. I praised the Japanese for taking it seriously. It's a step to get your feet wet in a main stream competition before Worlds. Who needs that more than American Pairs especially.

[@Moronprodutions]

lmaooo dave you're a beacon of light in this community nobody puts things quite like you

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Thank you!!

[@sallydaniel1023]

I really enjoy your videos about gymnastics. I grew up watching Kim and I love how you guys connect all the dots about how this cycle of abusive behavior continues. I agree it goes far beyond Nassar and they've only scratched the surface. You guys are very entertaining 😄

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Sally Daniel agreed.

[@michaelcraig666]

Thanks for the Moskvina quote...some perspective is exactly what is needed these days; along with more time spent drinking and in therapy, getting out of our bubbles and growing up is always useful advice.

[@etherealtb6021]

BTW, several adult male skaters have told me they wanted to skate as kids, but their dad's wouldn't let them, because it was "too gay" or they didn't want their sons picked on for the "stigma" of being a male skater. 😞 🤷 Same with a friend I had in college, who I taught to skate. Sad, as he took to it more quickly than any other friends I've taught. Incredible natural balance, especially for someone 6'6"! Really, really hope this is changing.

[@Davethreshold]

I think it is changing! Years ago, on ABC before the skating, the announcer did a quick sports report. Then he announced, "Next is FIGURE SKATING for those of you who want to watch it." The way he said Figure skating was LOADED with sarcasm and a wink & a nod. His boss would say something to him these days.

[@Kareragirl]

@@Davethreshold What a fool. Who would put down something on their own network? lol

[@Davethreshold]

@@Kareragirl I know! It was only tone of voice but anybody would have picked up on it. If you read the text it would seem fine. LOL

[@arthurtheaardvark13]

That is soooo sad that their dads were so unsupportive ☹☹

[@Davethreshold]

I wonder how many of their Dads said, "Come on Tommy! Let's throw the FOOTBALL around for a while!!" - LOL

[@sk8tenn]

If Tarmara Moskvina wrote a book of essays on her outlook on life and sport, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. It would boot Brene Brown out of my emotional health reading list.

[@amytowle4977]

I discovered your KZbin channel during lock down. I think we're from the same era of figure skating initiation -early 90s, so I love all the reference points. Thank you it's been a blessing during this weird time, even my bf enjoys the channel despite not knowing all the characters in the figure skating world

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️❤️❤️

[@linamory544]

The vast majority of russian universities are state-owned. Half of the places there are paid by the government and half are by students themselves. Alina gets a full ride if she passes her exams (which she did) because she has an olympic medal. Having test scores public is no big deal as every uni's admission rankings are public and show every candidate's scores in relevant subjects and individual accomplishments. As a russian I personally don't understand the hate. She's still a teenager, the only questionable thing she's done was that pro-constitution add. She has time to grow and change. Bullying and hating on her will not help.

[@linamory544]

@Fiona well it's important to remember that she is the victim of such coaching practices or at the very least a person who was brought up in this environment, so she was probably just repeating things she was constantly told by her coaches. But I meant questionable in a political sense, since I saw some discussion od her going into the propaganda business and russian parliament and such.

[@Garnet327]

@Fiona I think you're getting it all wrong. Probably because you're a foreigner. As for "Just close your mouth and do not eat". In Russia it's interpreted mostly as a joke. I mean, honestly, is there anyone who would take it literally? We are used to these sayings and do not see them as something offensive, cause we get the main point behind it. Besides, we had this icon actress Faina Ranevskaya who was also famous for her aphorisms (check the wiki, though that's not the whole list). I wonder if you'd get offended had you heard them. As for constitution. As I had already said in other thread where you commented as well, "Alina's a teenager who had been invested in sports all her life and doesn't see much beyond that. I mean, she probably has no time and interest to read some analysis about those amendments to constitution. And the text under that post was quite neutral, basically patriotic and simply encouraging people to go and vote, not to ignore the elections. The only "mistake" she made was mentioning Putin. She thanked him for support and perspective, whatever that means. So her only mistake is her ignorance". And the LGBTQ part you mention is hardly the main aspect why this amendment is wrong. I mean, it is wrong on so many levels, but the LGBTQ part isn't among the top 10 for sure, and not because "everyone in Russia is a homophobe", but because it affects even more basic civil rights, you don't have to be gay to be offended by it, all you have to be is a citizen, so gays and straight, white and of color are affected alike. So trying to use LGBTQ card is like grasping at straws when complaining about her loyalty to Putin. I'm not blaming her for now. There's still time to change. But I'm afraid this loyalty is like a decease and it affects all our sportsmen. Somehow they can't be as multitasking as Nathan Chen for example. They usually get heavily invested only in sports, paying minimum attention to education. And all these degrees are mostly fictional, farce. I doubt she or anyone else will openly go against Putin, cause that day their careers will be over. And I wouldn't be surprised to see her or Kostornaia one day as a member of State Duma. Kostornaia already has a photo with caption "Why not?". Yeah, indeed. As if we don't have enough sportsmen without any understanding how simple citizens live deciding what is best for our nation.

[@05narmina]

I also do not support this hate and bullying towards a teenager for god's sake. She is an athlete, not a professor. Not everyone is Nathan Chan. However, I must agree that despite supporting Alina, I have never liked her interviews. She really needs to work on it, become more flexible in her answers, more approachable, more engaging. I hope she will gain these skills with time. That being said, I m hoping to see her on ice, but with Eteri's approach it is not possible, I guess. She should have switched coaches. I believe she can totally be prepped for the upcoming olympics, but it seems Eteri does not care.

[@helenamargot0403]

Zagitova probably doesn’t even know what a constitution is, she wasn’t properly educated. She just said what adults told her to.

[@miriam3848]

Fiona all tutberidze’s girls have said something on the lines of “just starve yourself” on one point or the other. Eteri doesn’t encourage them to learn about nutrition or get help from a dietitian.

[@spotlightartist1282]

Who else has not heard LITERALLY ANNNNYYYYYTTTHHHIIIINNNGGG from Alysa Liu!!

[@morganalayna4247]

All I have heard is that her coach is now Lee Barkell, I believe

[@spotlightartist1282]

Morgan Alayna yes true but I would expect the number 1 lady in the US to have had an interview or two during lockdown.. Brodie tennell and Mariah bell have both had interviews from us figure skating but not Alysa.. I’m sure she probably working hard but it’s just odd not to hear from her (also all her social media’s have gone dead) I’m sure she’s just taking a break tho

[@a9029k]

Nathe_ Art she just turned 15 last week, hopefully she’s busy being a 15-year-old. Good for her for not being on social media

[@spotlightartist1282]

A very true hope she’s having fun 😄

[@mi121x5]

Valieva 6:05 Zagitova 8:28

[@bookworm8624]

thank you so much!

[@nigareliyeva1988]

thanks

[@XoXoXo-wq4yg]

I don’t know what Jonathan has done but he is looking especially handsome lately. Whatever he’s done he’s looking spectacular. I never had one before but I think I’ve developed a little Crush on Jonathan. ❤️❤️❤️

[@miriam3848]

I fell asleep to this vedeo yesterday and dreamed that you were sitting on my couch, talking, drinking tea and eating cake, petting my cat and dog, and then afterwards we went to the rink together

[@shelflife5213]

Dave, you really nailed the Russian pronunciation of the word 'program'! I always hear 'pogrom' whenever a Russian says it and have a tiny freakout for a split second. I'm impressed by how much attention you're paying in perfecting your Russian accent!

[@slipperyhardandcold7740]

Pogroms used to be big in Russia, maybe they still are.

[@lyamkinmir6448]

@@slipperyhardandcold7740 well, we must to fill our Gulag, so why not.

[@slipperyhardandcold7740]

@@lyamkinmir6448 LOL

[@tassietagarelli8905]

I love you guys!! Your channel is the highlight of my week 🤗

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Wow, thank you!

[@Davethreshold]

Pardon the cut 'n paste from Facebook: I know this is a fact of life, but the one thing I hate about skating is how short the life-span is of my fave Lady skaters. IMO it's worse with the Russians because every year or two there is a new bumper crop of Ladies who have that one extra thing that puts them above the others. IOW, Zag was one of my faves and suddenly she retired. Before her it was Medvedeva! Oh well...... I'm waiting for the first Russian to do a QUINT! LOL❤️ -Dave Smith

[@miriam3848]

A quint... with 721° prerotation

[@mai3334]

What a power move for Eteri if Valieva scores higher than Alena and Sasha.

[@margaritadanova4764]

Open Skates, or Test Skates, are not a competition, so no scores are given. That's what I find puzzling

[@georgie2683]

@@margaritadanova4764 the crowd is way bigger for senior test skates, so it will still be different performing there. I think because there are so many contenders for the Olympic team and not enough spots for them that it's useful to start seeing the top contenders skate against each other now (even without being scored). There's also the fact that we still don't know if Alena got the 3a back, and how many quads Sasha or Anna have, so the fact that Kamila has her 4t back may look impressive in comparison.

[@anaelivillarreal8830]

Is it me or Alena dosent feel comfortable like Alexra feels training with Plusheko i feel she regrets her desicion moving... Hopefully she move to someone who will train her properly and pays attention to her to help her

[@jekicolin8036]

Her decision to switch seems impulsive... and how come she hasn’t even submitted coaching change documents yet? It’s been over 2 weeks.. if she really wanted to switch I feel like she would’ve submitted those documents earlier

[@anaelivillarreal8830]

@@jekicolin8036 i agree lets see how all of the nonsense turns out to be... I hope the best for her and get her mind staright and her parents as well cause the Federation needs to straighten this out n make it clear for all athletes

[@grisgris6908]

I think she’s injured as well, so might not seem enthusiastic as a result

[@dr.elliesattler810]

Literally only seen tiny clips of her. Stop the silly speculation. Give the girl a chance ffs. She switched because of Hot Sergei It's obvious. She couldn't get her 3A back without him. Hence such a late decision...she tried to stay with Eteri but obviously she ultimately felt she had to follow Sergei

[@Jumblebelle]

I don’t think anyone actually WANTS to go to Plushenko, they just want to get away from Eteri and don’t have a lot of options lol

[@NB-ki5gw]

You guys are hilarious! Watching this in the background to get through Monday morning. Went to check Facebook and I see an ad for Josh Grobans new album 🤣

[@elizabethlockhart8044]

So excited! Sunday funday, thanks to you!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

You are so welcome!

[@micaelagoitia5062]

"it is clear who skated and who did not" 🤣🤣

[@TheSkatingLesson]

micaela goitia 💯

[@auraarzadun9127]

So true

[@emilytan4223]

And skaters who skated through quarantine will deny it when asked

[@mix4715]

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[@mix4715]

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[@JeremiVW]

Fabulous way to start the morning listening / watching you two Handsome Divos! I'm definitely Team Valieva. Guys are going to hate me on this.. I don't mind her with Eteri's camp for now hopefully progressing her choreography to the standard and respect she's capable of fabulously achieving. Kamila to me will go down as one of the most stunning Figure Skaters in the history of Figure Skating.

[@karlsamohin3282]

It's sooo obvious Rus Fed is preparing their next Olympic Champion! Kamila is the chosen one....

[@eiskunstlaufen6129]

So glad to hear I’m not the only one still stung by Kim’s out of bounds in ‘92. Don’t remind me of compulsory beam. Let’s remember Oprah’s favorite Angelou quote “If you would’ve known better, you would’ve done better.” (Probably misquoted but that one) Did Kim know better?

[@GullibleTarget]

When you know better; you do better. Been bombarded with that one in therapy😂

[@Natt4226]

That is a great quote from Oprah.

[@colleenshaughnessy7081]

@@Natt4226 it's actually Maya Angelou.

[@TimSirin]

YAS. Sunday morning TSL 😍

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Tim Sirin 😘😊😘

[@purrformance]

Jonathan is so right about Plushenko's performance. Plushenko makes his moves look better than there supposed to be. Just watch his Moonlight Sonata at 2005 Worlds!

[@ddjr6673]

So interesting and entertaining. Been working so hard this week so not had time to listen to all yet, but your take on gymnastics is fascinating (especially the toxic way gymnastics has been handled in the UK too). In terms of figure skating and training, I think with Plushenko, although his style was never my "thing" wow, he knew how to jump (his jump technique was amazing) and he knew how to *sell* his program - actually I've been re-watching Petrenko and he *presented* - projected many of these skaters could learn a lot - even just by watching old You Tube clips. Yes, yes, the USA men, need to push and sell sell and find your own style.

[@a9029k]

Nice to see y’all finally showing Vincent some respect, sort of. He is the reigning world bronze medalist, after all.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Still not wowed, but I see improvements.

[@sasstsuma1467]

Ikr!? FINALLY!! Too bad the figure skating "fans" on Twitter are somehow still mean and dismissive to him though....

[@SilenceHurtsMore]

US paid bronze medalist...she had no place on the podium, it is not his fault though...

[@a9029k]

Kristie Rockwill what?

[@Doyoumind444]

I appreciate you addressing the KZB situation. I too grew up idolizing her and it’s hard to hear that she has carried the abusive methods forward. I never knew that Marta criticized her as a coach. I’d be willing to bet it was Marta that told her to cut Kennedy’s braids (which Kim could have refused to do, so not excusing the incident). I’ve always wondered if Kim would finally speak out about her gymnastics life once the Karolyi’s pass on but she appears too loyal to do that.

[@territruitt]

Kim is my favorite and I really want to hear from her. I am not saying I don’t believe or don’t support the fact that the abuse of any kind should not be tolerated,but something does not feel right about this situation to me. Still just live the sport and I pray that the US gets our #$*& together

[@bubbleboiz]

Dave mentioning one of the BEST POP Divas of the modern era (Kelly Clarkson ) during a skatinglesson "this and that" YASSSSSS

[@meltemt0245]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ love to see you Dave and Jonathan

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@peterdavies2287]

Brave of Nile Wilson to speak out in the UK. Skating has no profile hara but gymnastics is popular

[@virginiana3783]

Dave, the reason you couldn't buy the ebook or eaudiobook from abroad is because a different publisher holds the copyright in the UK and the US. Publishers guard those rights quite jealously.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Correct.However, they didn't make an audio version for the U.S., which is strange.

[@carrot5427]

@Jonathan where is the vase? There better be 2 vases in the background next week to make up for this week

[@elodiemireille986]

Isabeau Levito is the next US it-girl, I think.

[@mariahwaldenvines4038]

What is Vanessa James and Morgan cispris doing now?

[@pandatours]

They keep getting invited to shows now that the French Fed decided not to investigate or punish Morgan

[@benbailey159bb]

God I love sundays because of TSL x

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Ben Bailey 😘

[@thegrandsophy]

Thank you for the links (see I did read the description this time). Interesting discussion on cycles of abuse. Is there any chance you could tape down your wires on your headphones or something, Dave, because all your excellent gesturing is causing a lot of distortion to the sound? Makes it a little painful when I’m listening via my headphones. Thanks again for an excellent video.

[@kemrys9957]

You know, the whole thing with Zmeskal (who I don’t have an emotional attachment to, admittedly), reminds me a lot of what I see in abusive families and how all sorts of bad behavior is “learnt” and passed down. However, I think a key distinction has to be made between explaining and giving context vs minimizing or excusing it. Ultimately she is an adult, and has to be held responsible to how she treated kids. Also thinking back to the Maggie Haney situation, and how her actions might not necessarily be significantly worse than other coaches/gyms (GAGE/AOGC for example), that might seem “unfair” if you don’t punish everyone at once, but sometimes you have to start somewhere to break the whole thing open, and other people/issues start emerging. Systemic change takes time and is hard. (Disclaimer: I don’t know a lot about the nuances of the gymnastics debacle, but I do have quite a bit of experience working with abuse victims...it’s hard not to notice the similarities that pop up everywhere)

[@sallydaniel1023]

Exactly...it's a horrific cycle that has so many casualties

[@territruitt]

K Emrys just a question - has Kim released a statement? I always see videos of her coaching and from what I have seen and heard (with the exception of this) Kim is amazing. Now please don’t think I am saying I don’t believe or anything , I a simply asking a question. Breaks my heart

[@meghannpytka3989]

Clearly, I was team Boginskaya, and hated how Zmeskal was thrown down my throat prior to '92. But, I thought I had made my peace with Kim, and that maybe the phenomenon I actually hated was Bela. But, now this. The abuse has been too internalized. :(

[@dkeinow]

What's up with Jonathan? His voice has that zen, relaxed, post meditation vibe. 😊 I completely agree with what was said at 17:45 & 20:18. My question after watching this season is why can't the female skaters in the US catch up? There is so much to be said about the Russian system, but they are winning. Sometimes it seems that the US is too focused on their feelings & complaining about the system. Not to say that the Russian system is right, but they get results. Yes, results at what cost, but they get the job done. I don't know, just a thought

[@elizabethm08]

Dave and Jonathan, can you imagine the Louis Vuitton poncho upheaval that will happen in Beijing if Valieva is beaten by a Plushenko student (I.e. kostornaia) The drama that awaits us is 🤯

[@Garnet327]

It's kind of frustrating that you're so absorbed in the drama that you're not even considering your athletes, wherever you're from. I mean, it's the Olympics. And it's not Sochi. You do have a chance. Did you give up already? Besides, the mess that figure skating has become is wrong. Aren't you tired of the drama? Don't you want to see more or less healthy competition than these Russian coaching wars?

[@elizabethm08]

Garnet327 i apologize for the frivolity and channeling my inner Dave.

[@miriam3848]

Gallons and gallons of tea 🤣

[@BillyWhaler]

Maybe Zagitova will interview Michelle Kwan. Both iconic but guarded off the ice. Would be interesting.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Or a snooze

[@meaganbooks179]

yeah that will be great but if Zagitova learn and comfortabele to speek English to do a interveiw with Micheal Kwan

[@BillyWhaler]

TheSkatingLesson Zagitova’s interview style will be two minutes of fluff followed by seven zingers; sometimes in combination.

[@SamKreinberg]

We DGAF about Kwan in Russia

[@SamKreinberg]

Jamie Salé’s Stank Face Nah I’m okay.

[@strawberrylime33]

Could someone please explain what Dave meant at about 54:47, when he mentioned Veronika Zhulina (sp?) holding an Ina Bauer and doing a spiral? I’ve never seen this video (link, please!), but is he saying it was meant to shade eteri because her skaters don’t hold out their movements?

[@kak7440]

Thanks a million Fiona

[@mjdecoteau8631]

For some reason during this time of covid, I've felt compelled to re-watch the first two seasons of L + O and L + O SVU so I had just seen the episode of SVU Jonathan mentions. I prefer going to bed on a Sunday night watching the newest TSL b/c I don't lie there paranoid re: whether I for sure locked the back door! Someone else commented Jonathan's voice was soothing and I agree. I usually watch the episode and then re-play it at a super low volume to go to sleep. Anyone else use TSL as a white noise sleep aid?

[@ManuelPabloArnao]

How did Oprah shame Jennifer Hudson? Wasn’t able to find any clips on KZbin

[@twinklejelly123]

I'm with Jonathan on the sportswear!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Ha!

[@kdcm6690]

Vincent Zhou looks so much taller and more muscled!

[@ladida9084]

I just lost my dog 40ish minutes ago, this is a very welcome distraction

[@msmo2060]

Megha G I’m so sorry

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I am so sorry for your loss!

[@etherealtb6021]

Oh, boobala! So sorry.

[@nungnung]

@Megha G I hope you find your dog 💗

[@ladida9084]

@@nungnung i wish i could

[@bring_back_figures5176]

3 minutes in and I already feel called out about the fact I have already dropped my phone in the toilet twice this month. 🤡

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Bring_Back_Figures 😆😆😆

[@biggestgymfan7230]

Feel that 😬😂

[@GullibleTarget]

"Don't text and poop"~Oprah Winfrey 😜

[@sugarplum2467]

The sound you are hearing, as I commented in another video, is your microphone swinging back and forth from your neck. You really need a regular mic this is impossible to listen to.

[@sallyjean2250]

Dave, you mentioned that Mariah was training during quarantine, and yet IFS Magazine had an article about how she and her sister quarantined with their parents in their RV, seemingly for quite a long time. Anyone know what the story is?

[@helenaprout1061]

I dont know anything on the situation but that was probably a PR piece to avoid drama

[@etherealtb6021]

It explains why she posted videos on IG roller skating through an RV park. I did wonder why she was there. Lol.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

No one would've willingly advertised they were training during quarantine other than Tom Z...

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

where can I watch the video of Pooja? can't find it anywhere...😢

[@DJDiegoGarcia]

Aretha DID leave a will: a handwritten one slipped between the cushions of her couch, a copy of it inside a book and another copy somewhere around her house.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Which relative do we think may have forged that?

[@DJDiegoGarcia]

@@TheSkatingLesson I think her lawyer confirmed it's her handwriting... but i would not put my hand on fire for that... it's all a mess indeed.

[@andreagoldstein4070]

Thanks for posting the Colorado cup videos. The Vimeo stream was nearly unwatchable. I hope the ladies programs surface soon.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Andrea Goldstein me too

[@Nellyandhernerd2013]

Where can I find the Colorado cup videos?

[@andreagoldstein4070]

@@Nellyandhernerd2013 in the description under this week's video.

[@arthurtheaardvark13]

Where do i have to go to watch these small competitions online?! Please tell me its not US viewers only 🙏

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

Oh Dave, you know lovely Alina, worlds greatest artist and most beautiful, expressive Carmen, did poorly on her tests on purpose to simply allow those less fortunate than her the chance to succeed at college. Alina, graceful black swan and scholar-athlete, has now also been exposed as Russia's most empathetic and charitable figure too. Or at least, that's how I imagine Ted's commentary will go when he commentates for us at 2021 Russ Nats

[@musicioso]

SaintHaHaLOLZ Alina is a lovely girl indeed. She is brave an kind and very very beautiful. She is not from a very intellectual family, thats why she didn’t excel at school. And you one person cant have all the talent of the world. Leave the girl alone please.

[@artemisadelaluna9901]

How classy of you to express maliciously about a young, beautiful girl who has achieved things in life one could only dream of ... I wonder why 😏

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

@@artemisadelaluna9901 Surprisingly I've never dreamed of being psychologically and physically abused to the point of retiring from my sport in my early to mid 20's to go to school to host "Good Midnight Sun Norilsk", but I guess everyone has different priorities.

[@jekicolin8036]

SaintHaHaLOLZ bruh are you good? Why would someone purposely do horrible on tests 💀 she did poorly on the tests because she did poorly. Why in the world would she purposely fail them?

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

@@jekicolin8036 Woosh

[@jijodobbas]

I guess Jonathan chose a big quadratic vase for this time‘s background 😂 #jk

[@GullibleTarget]

I want Dave's opinion on the Memmel-comeback and the piked arabian on beam!🤭

[@TheSkatingLesson]

She looks great!

[@thesovgc]

I loved Jennifer Hudson's song Spotlight 😍

[@joannm.1756]

Karen dates Camden? You glossed over that so quickly. How long has that been going on?

[@biari8599]

According to Vincent's IG, his FS was choreographed by Misha Ge. No info about his SP though. I'd say neither of those programs fit his skating/quality of movement, but then again, I wouldn't even know which type of style would. Maybe something shticky such as some of Boyang's old programs, I mean, him and Vincent are pretty similar in their body language, although Boyang seems less awkward. I feel he should stay away from overly dramatic and emotional material, because his interpretation always ends up looking way too cheesy to be enjoyable to watch, although he's certainly putting his everything into it. And I have to say, I'm surprised you see improvement in his jumps. Almost all quads, including his 4Lzs, were UR or at least borderline (hard to tell because of the bad video quality) and he still had that 'snap' of the ankle upon landing. He managed to stabilise his 3A again, though, so there's that.

[@corgeousgeorge]

Beyer is correct. Josh Groban doesn't have to work another day in his whole ass life if he don't want! He has made his coin and then some ( I see you Celine Dion and David Foster!) unless he's a coke head with the same money manager as Stevie Nicks back in the early 80's... he doin jus' fine okrrrrrrr??!!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I hate fake drag talk. Pet peeve.

[@corgeousgeorge]

@@TheSkatingLesson Josh Groban still rich tho.

[@GullibleTarget]

@@TheSkatingLesson meow!🐱😂

[@GullibleTarget]

@@evanperilstein5308 i did'nt know a post could be responded to with a :'I don't like the way you comminicate, pet peeve' I thought it was funny in a snarky way but now, I think: That's just dismissive and plain rude. That's a viewer responding to a video you made! I love TSL but the mean streak I can do without. By all means, be edgy but have some grace. Brian Brian said nothing mean or derrogatory about Dave or Jonathan and is hit with a dismissive put down by the creators of a channel he likes. How about just ignoring it if it annoys you. I like TSL. It's always a delight when they post videos. But the slight unmitigated increase in snark towards viewers in the comment section? Nope. Maybe I got it all wrong but from now on, I will just watch and not comment.

[@MsJubjubbird]

I think most (OK all) journalism schools in Russia would be state sponsored.

[@helenaprout1061]

Ugh all the crazy 2022-obsessive fans just need to take a page from Moskvinas book! It's not like the Olympics will be cancelled forever XD By the way, both of you are glowing today!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Helena Prout 😘

[@msmo2060]

My hands look terrible from all the hand sanitizer I use.... better dry skin then covid ! 🤓

[@XoXoXo-wq4yg]

Mine too. At night I had to start wearing rubber gloves and put hand cream and special ointment from the doctor on to help repair all the damage from hand sanitizer. It works really well.

[@dewaynewestmoreland3773]

Yall are too funny talking about dropping a phone in the toilet. Love the chat.

[@suhaenimas7685]

👍

[@sschimel]

Dave Lease! Woof!

[@ManuelPabloArnao]

What the Moceanu petition and how did Marta try to stop her comeback?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

It was 2006. It is all in Dominique's book

[@GullibleTarget]

@@TheSkatingLesson Moceanu was going for 2008?!

[@ManuelPabloArnao]

@@TheSkatingLesson Can you give us a quick explanation? Don't want to read the whole book to get the tea

[@TheSkatingLesson]

ManuelPabloArnao no. Do your research.

[@ManuelPabloArnao]

TheSkatingLesson Ugh. Terrible customer service.

[@haploguy]

Laaksonen and Amano, the 2 POS technical controllers that stole Anna's gold in Turin and Graz were removed from this season's ISU for international competitions. ES GRIDS

[@kimmietooshoes]

So right about JHud...sadly

[@tinastime2shine]

Dave, why no talk about Sherbacova, especially from Eteri?

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

Lord , let Dave get a Blue Yeti microphone ...

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Bnizzofashizzo I have a microphone.

[@lindatatum8921]

Starr Andrews.

[@toriatoria9317]

Kim Zmeskal is not racist just because she was smart enough to know what the judges wanted and cut the gymnast's braids. I competed til level 9 (My mother is white and father black) and we were judged on far less. We knew that as gymnasts we would be judged for things other than what we put on the floor mat. My coach was honest with us even at the age I was when I competed. My white teammates were told to change things, appearance-wise, also. Dominique Moceanu never sad a bad word about Bela or Marta until she was denied that Nationals. So don't call her queen. She' a two-faced.

[@AuroraR]

Kim Zmeskal should have informed Kennedy that her braids were to long before leaving for Nationals. My coaches always talked about our appearance and what we wore before competitions. I really doubt that Kim had not seen her hair before nationals. She should have said something before the day of nationals if it was a problem. No one has the right to cut off someone's hair at any time. It doesn't matter the ethnicity of the person. She should have kept her hands to herself! It was cruel and wrong! It probably messed with her mentally on the day of nationals. It’s disturbing and disgusting that you’re trying to excuse her behavior as acceptable.

[@toriatoria9317]

@@AuroraR Learn to read. Nowhere did I say it was acceptable. I said it wasn't racist and Baker implied it was. Baker also said Florida was racist because it used black gymnasts to further white gymnasts scores. If you spend any time being part of a team in almost every sport you are expected to help your teammates. In baseball, you may have to bunt to get the tying run in scoring position. In basketball, you may be expected to pass the ball because a player has an open shot with a higher percentage of hitting it. In College gymnastics, you may have a better floor routine but a weaker gymnast will get a boost and in the end, the team 's score will be helped. It's called being a team player. Florida tied for a National title using that method. Bridgette Caquatta's gift 9.950. I know what real racism is. I have been called the N word. Not getting your own way and blaming racism every time you don't get your own way is why so many people disregard it when it really happens.

[@ScoutsMomIsTheBest]

Toria Toria actually by justifying what Kim did by calling her “smart enough” and giving examples of other times appearances had to be changed you literally justifying it. It’s like saying stealing is wrong but when this one person did it they were smart because they needed the item they stole and they got it. That may not have been your intention but it’s what you did. Sorry not sorry.

[@ckilbarger01]

Every time any commentator called Zagitova artistic or balletic due to that tutu I just couldn't. Nope. She can land jumps and that's how she won

[@LeoNel-ve3ud]

Jamie Salé’s Stank Face you are joking right? “Osmond should have won”???? Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

[@LeoNel-ve3ud]

Yes she can land jumps and that is how she won! Seriously??? Wth??? So who should win the Olympics? Someone who cannot land jumps I imagine? Wow people are so “smart”, I am amazed.

[@bordeauxhouse]

@@evanperilstein5308 I agree about her lovely spins.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Maybe don't reveal what's on our Patreon ;)

[@LeoNel-ve3ud]

Jamie Salé’s Stank Face there is absolutely no one I know who would agree that Osmond should have won the Olympics in 2018. And trust me, I know many great figure skaters. It is simply outrageous.