NanoVNA Calibration: Expert Tips and Tricks

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TheSmokinApe Ham Radio

TheSmokinApe Ham Radio

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@garygill7960
@garygill7960 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I watched this video several time and wrote my own list of steps for swr calibration. At my age (66 y/o), I tend to forget things I do not do often.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
Hey Gary, I tend to keep note because I forget too. THanks for watching 👍
@MM0OPXFieldRadio
@MM0OPXFieldRadio Жыл бұрын
Excellent Ape. I really struggled initially finding videos on NanoVNA basics. This is one folks should bookmark!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks Colin, glad you liked it 👍
@dxporker
@dxporker Жыл бұрын
I got one of these from R&L at Dayton. Just took it out of the box a week ago. I need more videos like this from you. Well presented and easy to follow. Thank You Ape.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Hey DXP, check out my NanoVNA Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLm8ROkpFeqornjIRLKS0RJqSrUl_lr5lv
@MikeN2MAK
@MikeN2MAK Жыл бұрын
Your NanoVNA and TinySA videos are great. I always learn something from them. I knew about calibration and regularly save out some SWR sweeps in the memory. But I didn't know I could add more data points. That'll be nice, especially for the longer sweeps across multiple bands. Thanks!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, I am glad to hear the videos are helpful 👍
@godarklight
@godarklight Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Some firmwares auto recall from slot 0 on power on, so set your most used profile up there. The slots save the trace configs and marker position as well, so I set it to the middle of 40m, my most used band. You can "edit" a slot by recalling it, changing your trace configs, and saving to the slot again. You only need to re-calibrate when changing your start/stop frequencies :)
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
You are correct, thanks for the info 👍
@mikegodfrey3846
@mikegodfrey3846 Ай бұрын
Thanks for making the Nano VNA accessible to an old school audience. I like to build an experiment with antennas and the Nano H4 is really helpful. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these videos. Great work!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Ай бұрын
Hey Mike, glad to hear the videos are helpful 👍
@Joe-ho6fo
@Joe-ho6fo 28 күн бұрын
Best explanation I’ve seen.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 28 күн бұрын
Thanks Joe, glad you liked it 👍
@MountainParameters
@MountainParameters 10 ай бұрын
Last week I observed another potential pitfall to be aware of if you use the USB cable to connect to your computer. I wanted to compare a Quansheng stock antenna to a tuned aftermarket antenna. I put the stock antenna on, and loaded my calibration file. The resulting plot surprised me in that the antenna seemed worse than I anticipated. So on goes my tuned antenna, and it also exhibited SWR values that I knew had to be incorrect. So I re-calibrated, and it did not change. So then I changed the USB cable, and everything changed for the better. In fact, it then demonstrated the stock antenna had a better window of acceptable SWR in both VHF and UHF than I had anticipated. So the moral of this story is make sure your USB cable is performing properly. If in doubt, try a few of them and use a composite of the results that agree the closest.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
That’s a pretty good tip, thank you 👍
@MountainParameters
@MountainParameters 10 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe My downfall is I'm rather cheap. So that means 1: I often buy my cables from China, and then 2: I hate throwing things out. So, for anyone like me (may god have mercy on their souls), if you want to continue with step #1, you need to change the habits shown in step #2!
@bazzaar1869
@bazzaar1869 9 ай бұрын
I assume we are talking about HT antennas here? rubber duckies? helical type? If so what you are seeing is not the USB lead per se. A hand held antenna a usually a quarter wave or loaded/shortened thing attempting to be a quarter wave and as such the element of the antenna is not the total antenna system. It relies on the HT body as part of the system that makes it work and match. It may even rely on being held to match well. When you attach these antennas to measuring devices like a NanoVNA, its a complete lottery whether the conditions for a good match are met. Like you found, the particular USB lead you had attached, or whether it on a wooden or metal bench top. Its a waste of time to fret about the performance on these portable device antennas, they never had any any, and cant been bestowed with any, they are and always will be severely compromised. Take a deep breath and chant "SWR is not loss, SWR is not loss....." :) de G0AFV
@TheMicrofox
@TheMicrofox 2 ай бұрын
​​​@@bazzaar1869When measuring a 1/4 antenna a counterpoise is mandatory. In the case of a HT antenna, the minimum one should do is holding the NanoVNA during measurement like one would hold a HT, not laying it on a table.
@KK6USYHamRadioAdventures
@KK6USYHamRadioAdventures Жыл бұрын
Great Job Ape I need to get mine out and do this
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Chip chop son!
@SparkyTom1
@SparkyTom1 2 ай бұрын
Showing that e delay and how to adjust was totally helpful in why my measurements were off. Thank you so much!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 2 ай бұрын
Glad it helped Tom 👍
@glenncummings1326
@glenncummings1326 Ай бұрын
Great bit on adjusting the time delay for a coax using the smith chart. Makes sense balancing out he Cap and Imp.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Ай бұрын
@@glenncummings1326 glad you liked it Glen, thanks for watching 👍
@HOAHamRadio
@HOAHamRadio Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate videos like this Ape, they will be a reference for many amateurs for years to come.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out Bob!
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline Жыл бұрын
Can't make it any easier than that! Great show!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
You damn right! Thanks for watching bro 👀
@mellinikon
@mellinikon 2 ай бұрын
I have watched a ton of videos about the nano VNA h4 and I think nobody can talk and explain things like you. That goes for all your videos. Thank you very much my friend for sharing . 73 de SY7EMB from Greece
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 2 ай бұрын
GLad to hear the videos are helpful, thank you for watching 👍
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz Жыл бұрын
The save calibration saves a ton of work and wear on the connectors too. Another great tip from the Ape Laboratories of RF Engineering and KZbin Consultancy Group Enterprise!😂👍
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the save is great. Thanks for watching Don!
@Jeff-VE3AGV
@Jeff-VE3AGV 6 күн бұрын
Great video as always. I'm trying to figure out on my Nano how to clear or edit one of the memory slots in the recall section. During my learning curve I stored one range that I would like to change. My version looks identical to yours. Thanks.
@thebnbaldwin
@thebnbaldwin Жыл бұрын
Great stuff, thanks! Have you considered putting all of the NanoVNA videos into a Play List?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Here you go: kzbin.info/aero/PLm8ROkpFeqornjIRLKS0RJqSrUl_lr5lv
@mikeZL3XD7029
@mikeZL3XD7029 Жыл бұрын
Crikey!, That was so well explained that even I could understand it. Thanks for a great video.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Haha, glad to hear you liked it Mike!
@jomckarth4836
@jomckarth4836 Жыл бұрын
great, thanks! pls more vna vids
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
I’m sure more are coming, thanks for watching 👍
@insan0603
@insan0603 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation, I am a beginner in this matter, but now I have leveled up thanks to the knowledge you share here. And one thing, i know it's weird but i do like your voice😅have a good day☕
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful, thank you for watching 👍
@MarioIZ0IRH
@MarioIZ0IRH 5 ай бұрын
Great video, outstanding explanation of the subject.Thanks a lot.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Mario, glad you liked it 👍
@kb5miqbigboy
@kb5miqbigboy Жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING VIDEO!! i learned stuff about those i did not know! thanks!73!!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Howdy Bigboy, glad you liked it broter!
@TheHandyHam73
@TheHandyHam73 Жыл бұрын
I thought I needed to change the scale but couldn't find anybody talking about it Thanks!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful 👍
@shawnstimson239
@shawnstimson239 7 ай бұрын
All calibrated and ready to rock. Thank you!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 7 ай бұрын
Awesome, good luck with it...
@KS0JD
@KS0JD Жыл бұрын
Great video Ape! Simple and easy to understand. A lot easier explanation than the one I got when I first learned to use the HP VNA's. Thanks for these! 73
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you liked it 👍
@MichaelWynneCAS
@MichaelWynneCAS Ай бұрын
great video, thank you!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Ай бұрын
Glad you found it helpful 👍
@castirondude
@castirondude 9 ай бұрын
14:00 pro tip: The speed of radio waves is about 1 ft / ns in free air or about 8 inches per ns in a cable. So you can guestimate your delay pretty easily based on cable length.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 9 ай бұрын
Thanks man 👍
@paulswift700
@paulswift700 Ай бұрын
If you use aRF cable at the S11 port then you can do a calibration as normal and then the cable is part of the cal and is calibrated out.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Ай бұрын
Right
@holotape
@holotape 5 ай бұрын
Hugely helpful, thank you.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 5 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it HT 👍
@Scott-od3ov
@Scott-od3ov 4 ай бұрын
Love your videos. Quick question could you not add the jumpers then cal the device by adding the standards to the end of the jumpers and doing the cal sequence? I think I have seen it done this way before but can not remember if that is the same as adding time to conuter the leads? Hope that all makes sence. Again love the videos and your way of bringing the subject matter down to a level that most of us can understsnd.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 4 ай бұрын
Hey Scott, he is a video where I used alligator clip leads, you could use coax leads or use e-delay. Alligator Test Leads and the NanoVNA kzbin.info/www/bejne/navQo6ibiL2nm6c
@thed8229
@thed8229 Жыл бұрын
Very good. I personally have learned tons from your Nanovna vids. Powerful tool if understood. You are doing the good work buddy! KØATV
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad yo hear the videos are helpful 👍
@ashemoski
@ashemoski 6 ай бұрын
I just ordered an H4 last evening, and this was a great intro. Looking forward to watching more of your videos on this unit! P. S. You've got grid lines on the table, but the unit is crooked. Arrrrgh! 😂
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 6 ай бұрын
Glad the video was helpful, and yes I’m not good at grid lines. Thanks for checking it out 👍
@RandallRash
@RandallRash Жыл бұрын
I didn't know you could adjust the delay? Is that an option instead of recalibrating with the cable connected?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's why you would do it 👍
@davidm1635
@davidm1635 9 ай бұрын
ok, got'er sorted. thanks for a great video howto!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 9 ай бұрын
Glad it helped 👍
@charleslerner38
@charleslerner38 25 күн бұрын
Hi...thanks for the great video. If you calibrate for 40 to 10 meters like you did in the video and then want to get an SWR curve for just say 20 meters, can you adjust the start and stop frequency values to the 20 meter band without having to calibrate to the smaller range that is within the larger originally calibrated range? Thanks.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 25 күн бұрын
You can, and It do that however the best practice is to recalibrate 👍
@CocolinoFan
@CocolinoFan 6 ай бұрын
Great video, so useful! But, to adjust the reference plane (compensate for any electrical delay we might encounter), instead of adding a delay, can't we just re-calibrate the NanoVNA at the end of that cable?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 6 ай бұрын
Yes, you could re-calibrate.
@hlphipps6477
@hlphipps6477 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Ape, may be too much for my brain. But I'm looking for a low-cost way to tune coax jumpers, length... There are plenty videos on the subject with more expensive equipment. Surely it can be done with a VNA. If so, share a video please....
@TheFretman2
@TheFretman2 10 ай бұрын
Learned a lot from this…thanks!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
Awesome, thanks for watching 👍
@jimhammer2638
@jimhammer2638 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if rather than use the E-delay, would it make more sense to calibrate it with the test cable in place?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
I think either will get you where you are going. There are some cases where I could see an argument for using one of the other.
@phil2082
@phil2082 9 ай бұрын
Not having to calibrate every single time I use this device makes testing antennas so much easier. I just need to figure out grounding planes next. My HAM antennas go from 4.5 SWR to 1.1 SWR if I hold the base of the antenna.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, saved calibration is a great thing. I am assuming you are testing HTs which is difficult 👍
@phil2082
@phil2082 9 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe Yep.
@Leonards_life
@Leonards_life 29 күн бұрын
Is the through port calibration needed all the time or only if you are going to use that second port? A;sp when saving calibrations in a saved location, they will automatically use the correct calibration. even though it had been turned off?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 28 күн бұрын
Yes, the thru cal is for when you are using two ports. The saved calibrations persist even when turned off 👍
@BarefootBeekeeper
@BarefootBeekeeper 9 ай бұрын
Great explanation. I can calibrate mine to the built in SMA, but as soon as I attach an extension it goes haywire and gives wild readings. I have tried several cables, but no amount of fiddling with electrical delay or any other setting makes a difference. Any suggestions?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 9 ай бұрын
Are the extension cables "good" meaning quality with no problems? What if you calibrate with the cables attached?
@jankromka9584
@jankromka9584 Жыл бұрын
Good video, thank you.👍
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked it!
@vswr10
@vswr10 3 ай бұрын
For low frequencies this procedure will be OK,. At the UHF band and above is better to calibrate at the end of the cable instead the S11 port. Cables have it own VSWR and can lowering directivity of the VNA. For return loss -10 dB (VSWR 2:1) or more doesn't matter but if your device under test has -26dB (VSWR 1.1:1) the error can be between +6 dB and -infinite dB if the cable has -26 dB return loss. Is better to use a female to female adaptor and set the electrical delay to the reference plane in the cable connector, only few pico seconds in negative value will be necessary. Of corse the adaptor must have very low VSWR, typically female to female SMA adapators are bellow 1.04:1 VSWR up to 1 GHz. Open doesn't matter for 30 MHz, you can just left open the connector of port S11 without the open standard. Friging capacitance are negligible at that frequencies. In Smith chart all the unity circle (the external one) is infinite VSWR, no matter the phase. Sorry for the faults, English isn't my native language. Regards from Spain.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the additional details 👍
@rilosvideos877
@rilosvideos877 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good advice. I thought the H4 only has 101 data points? Good shielding of the important parts is essential and some fake or cheap builds don't have them. This lets to scrumbled readings esp. in the higher frequencies. So most important for me is: how can you be sure what you finally get when you order one?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
I the newer firmwares can go to 401 which is awesome. Whenever I get one I thoroughly test it out and upen them up to see if the correct board and shielding is in place.
@menditwithmick4320
@menditwithmick4320 7 ай бұрын
Very informative. Can you just calibrate with the lead attached, instead of setting the E delay? Cheers
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 7 ай бұрын
You can
@menditwithmick4320
@menditwithmick4320 7 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe Thanks. Great channel. Your videos. Helped me a geat deal. Cheers! Mick 2E0IZT
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 7 ай бұрын
Glad to hear they are helpful 👍
@blackpearlvoyager4174
@blackpearlvoyager4174 10 ай бұрын
I have a question. I personally do my calibration with at least one length of the provided cable and my SO235 on the end and calibrate it like that. Would that negate the need to go in and fine tune the cable? If so, it would save a step. I had learned that this is the proper technique years ago, but I'm always willing to learn something new, thanks for the video!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
It would just mean your reference plane is the end of that cable. I think you are fine with that given this is ham radio. Do you have pl259 standards?
@blackpearlvoyager4174
@blackpearlvoyager4174 10 ай бұрын
​@@TheSmokinApeno, I use the provided barrel connector and use the standards on the end of that. What I have is an SMA to SO235 that I screw my antenna cable into. If I calibrate it that way the end of the SO 235 should become my reference point (or close to it). That should eliminate the need to adjust for the cable length I should think. But that short cable length had more effect on the end result than I expected so I'm hoping I'm not skewing my results! Thanks for the good tips and making me aware. I'll try compensating and see if it changes my results. Cheers 🤙🏼
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
@@blackpearlvoyager4174 good luck with it 🍻
@willie2333
@willie2333 5 ай бұрын
If you have a swr setting saved when you move location do I have to do the calabration every time newbie just received my unit .
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 5 ай бұрын
No, you are calibrating the device not the environment
@EE-eg2bp
@EE-eg2bp 10 ай бұрын
When you do the thru calibration, why do you connect the two cables together first? Why not just connect a single cable to S11 and S21?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
Because I will be using both in the test, so I want both to be part of the calibration 👍
@Shawn_WW5JD
@Shawn_WW5JD Жыл бұрын
Great video Ape!! Love your content! Question: I have been trying to use my LiteVNA 64 to mark the dials on a Manual tuner, should I recalibrate for each different band that I am trying to tune. I am using a 140' delta loop and an old Dentron manual tuner. Any advice would be welcome! Again thanks for your awesome videos!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Hey Shawn, glad to hear you like the videos. I would only calibrate the sweep for the range of frequencies you want to operate on... and use that for the whole process. Good luck!
@soljafarra8055
@soljafarra8055 10 ай бұрын
Hello, thank you for this informative video! I’m new to radiology, and If you could clarify how does your frequency range on smiths chart shrinks after electric delay introduction. But my 2.4 wifi range (I took with extra 2350MHz-2550MHz) shows huge arc that only shifts radially after delay input(I tried 1000p 500p etc)? My extension cable came with NanoVNA. Should I expect it to shrink at all?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
The e-dalay adjusts the Nano to account for added transmission like that was not part of the calibration.
@soljafarra8055
@soljafarra8055 10 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe Great, I just retested your values on my vna, and the result was same as yours! I'm glad. Everytime things go south I think of me breaking my nano(for me it costs fortune). Thanks for the response and clarification!
@ornithopterindia
@ornithopterindia Жыл бұрын
👍Thank you sir.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching 👍
@JoeSoubie
@JoeSoubie Жыл бұрын
Great vidio. Is the lite VNA run with the same directions as the nano VNA? I got mine from R&L Electronics about 6 months ago. It seems that selecting the tabs on the right are hard. I did a screen calibration and it didn't help. Will look for a computer program to run it on my laptop with windows 11. 73's KG7COA
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
It should be similar, the different versions do have some variation in the firmware, make sure you are using a good stylus. The best PC software is NanoVNA-Saver: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aISTladml76igtU
@DominicMazoch
@DominicMazoch Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to go from Smith Chart to the Descartes' x/y graphing and SWR as a bell curve.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Yes, Trace 1 is set up for S11 and you can change the format to SWR.
@DominicMazoch
@DominicMazoch Жыл бұрын
​@@TheSmokinApeTHX.
@ecole6300
@ecole6300 Жыл бұрын
good learning thanks ... question as new to this .. using vna ... got 1.5 swr but logmag showing way out anything from 20 to 60 loss , any ideas please
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
There are two different LogMag measurements, one is return loss (s11) where low is a good thing and the other s21 LogMag is a gain / loss measurement. It sounds like you are measuring return loss (s11) and you want that to be low.
@ecole6300
@ecole6300 Жыл бұрын
ok not good then ,,, thanks .. needs to do new cable thanks info ,,, keep up the good work @@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro 👍
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE Жыл бұрын
Another good and useful video, thanks Ape. I have a small VNA which I bought in the COVID lockdown. It's done well but it's battery is starting to bulge, so I thought I would upgrade. There are so many flavours of VNA now, please can you say if the H4 is as good as any for general ham work, or are there better options? Cheers, Ace
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Hey Ace, I had a battery go bad in one of mine and I replaced it on video; its somewhere on the channel. The H4 is the one I recommend to hams the most 👍
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE Жыл бұрын
@@TheSmokinApeThanks for your help Ape, I check through your video list. Based on your advice, I may buy an H4 and replace the battery in my old 2.8 screen unit and use it as a back-up. The VNA is such a useful ham tool, I wonder how I lived without one! Best 73 Ace
@jamesbrownmiller808
@jamesbrownmiller808 Жыл бұрын
Question, can you use a nanoVNA to calibrate a frequency counter?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
No, you could do it with a TinySA 👍
@FEPLabsRadio
@FEPLabsRadio Жыл бұрын
The Nano King!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out FEP 👍
@benutzernamenichtverfugbar4977
@benutzernamenichtverfugbar4977 8 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be more accurate to calibrate the vna at the end of the cable instead of using the delay?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 8 ай бұрын
It would
@09keller
@09keller 6 ай бұрын
Can you recommend an attenuator for a typical NanoVNA? Thank you K5TGS
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 6 ай бұрын
It’s going to depend on the device you are testing, I’ve bought multiples f Amazon with no issues 👍
@Sizzlik
@Sizzlik Жыл бұрын
Why go done-back-save? When you click done it is the save option that pops up and you just click a spot to save. Going back and then save is just an extra step..or is there a difference?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Ya know, that's a good question. I've just always done it this way 🤔
@jefffritsche9974
@jefffritsche9974 Ай бұрын
Why wouldn't you just calibrate it with the short extension attached ? I.e. attach the open, short, and load to the end of that short extension, because then that is where you will attach the coax and measure SWR. Maybe I'm missing something?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Ай бұрын
Hey Jeff, that is the best practice but maybe the extension doesn’t have the same attachment for your calibration standards. I really was trying to show “what is possible” not “what you should do”. Thanks for watching 👍
@ericturcotte4919
@ericturcotte4919 3 ай бұрын
how to clear the calibration memory...thanks
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 3 ай бұрын
Use the reset function in the menu 👍
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 Жыл бұрын
That was great. I have the nano VNA-H4 . what i was doing at first was not save the calibrations . led to extra work each time I went to use. was a learning curve . with that tester you can do so much. figure the delay in coax the velocity factor. which is needed in phasing antenna's . along with loss and reactance of coax. I used the H4 for tuning a UHF duplexer for repeater use. and so much more. love how you can save data . you can even print out the charts. they have a zipper case for that. I got that when I ordered mine. 73's
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Hey Robert, that H4 is the one I recommend to hams the most 👍
@digitalradiohacker
@digitalradiohacker Жыл бұрын
Tuning duplexers with a Nano VNA: I bought one of these with very low expectations, and it didn't disappoint. A good quality duplexer will generate -75dB to -90dB nulls when tuned carefully. The Nano VNA can only measure down to something like -50dB. As a result, you lose the bottom of the duplexer null response on the VNA display, and you can't really see what is happening. They simply don't have enough dynamic range. It's output power isn't high enough to get through the -70 odd dB nulls of a duplexer, and / or it doesn't have a sensitive enough reciever section to pick out such weak signals. I have toyed with the idea of adding an external amplifier and re-casing the whole lot, but I just haven't got around to it yet.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Yes, dynamic range can be a bit of an issue on these. Thanks for the comment!
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 Жыл бұрын
@@digitalradiohacker I still got the tune on a TX/RX systems used UHF duplexer used for a GMRS repeater. The nulls /notch dips to noise floor on the nano VNA , but I still found the frequency points for the HI and Low . was tricky and took time, but under power the SWR and power loss and receive loss was so much better then the old one . 73's
@digitalradiohacker
@digitalradiohacker Жыл бұрын
@@robertmeyer4744 👍👍 That's the problem - The noise floor APPEARS to be higher on one of these because the output is quite low, and this limits the precision with which you can tune duplexers. On more expensive instruments the noise floor APPEARS much lower, so you can see the real bottom of the nulls. I know what you mean though - With a Nano VNA you can get a duplexer very very close, and for a quiet area with low RF levels, you'll get half decent range from the repeater.
@ironhead320
@ironhead320 11 ай бұрын
Can you set this up also to show 50ohm like some will have it x =
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can do that 👍
@ironhead320
@ironhead320 11 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe I'm trying to figure it out and the instructions are crap that come with it
@ZeroHarry
@ZeroHarry Жыл бұрын
Good video Ape. PS: I asked Bard my AI friend to help with a comment and I picked this one... ""SmokinApe's video: the only thing smoother than his calibration process is his voice. " 🙂
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
LOL!
@jeffreydavis4041
@jeffreydavis4041 10 ай бұрын
very clear cut and concise. Thank you!
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it Jeffrey 👍
@DaytonaJim78
@DaytonaJim78 8 ай бұрын
I have the sw-102 and I am getting different readings on swr than my nano vna, is there any way to see what’s correct
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 8 ай бұрын
Compare them both to a 50ohm dummy load or some other known impedance 👍
@DaytonaJim78
@DaytonaJim78 8 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe ok thanks I will try it
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 8 ай бұрын
Good luck with it
@hammerdown036
@hammerdown036 Жыл бұрын
If I want to calibrate for 11 meters, would I use a 75 ohm load?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
No, all CB stuff I’ve used it 50 ohm 👍
@slappomatthew
@slappomatthew 9 ай бұрын
I hear the swr is estimated and not accurate. The nanovna says my ocfd is 1.5 or better, radio says it’s 2.75 or worse.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 9 ай бұрын
That’s a pretty big difference, I’d test them both against a dummy load and see what f there is a difference 👍
@mjktrash
@mjktrash 5 ай бұрын
It's pretty frustrating that with all of the different iterations of NanoVNAs that they aren't consistent when viewing videos like this, i.e., I don't seem to have the option to change sweep point count. EDIT: I do have it, it's in a different spot: *Home Menu - Config - Sweep Points FYI: changing sweep points seems to require recal based on the Cal indicator on the screen goes from "C1" to "c*"
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 5 ай бұрын
I’m d see if there is a newer firmware for yours 👍
@mgwalter828
@mgwalter828 9 ай бұрын
Another bad ass video brought to you by Smoking Ape ! So simple that even a caveman, or ape, can do it ! YOU ROCK APE ! K5MGW - Mark - 73
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 9 ай бұрын
Thanks FB, glad you liked it 😮
@KF0NNQ
@KF0NNQ Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ape. That helps. My next ant will be a G5RV and I will have to electronically shorten it. The nano and coil calculations should be manageable. The most difficult part? Honey, I need a few ham toys. KF0NNQ and 73.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Hey Bill, sounds like we married the same woman!
@DiscusRussell
@DiscusRussell 3 ай бұрын
I've only got 101 sweep points
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 3 ай бұрын
It can vary on the model and firmware version.
@ac0m-glennthompson432
@ac0m-glennthompson432 Жыл бұрын
Good video, helped to decide to not buy one. To much for my old tired brain.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks for watching Glenn 👍
@donepearce
@donepearce 7 ай бұрын
Good explanation of the basics, but this was supposed to be expert tips and tricks. You can lose most of the video.
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 7 ай бұрын
What is complex to some is simple to others.
@donepearce
@donepearce 7 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe no. This was very much a how to get started video.
@ashemoski
@ashemoski 6 ай бұрын
Maybe they're tips "from" an expert or tips on "How to become an expert." (You have to start somewhere!)
@donepearce
@donepearce 6 ай бұрын
@@ashemoski That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
@ashemoski
@ashemoski 6 ай бұрын
@@donepearce I'm sorry, you apparently *are* an expert. Perhaps you should do some videos.
@cornbread-KO5RN
@cornbread-KO5RN Жыл бұрын
Got my son one for Xmas and they sent two don’t know how that happened 😂that’s my story 🥱
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@lmy5pence481
@lmy5pence481 4 ай бұрын
OK Ape this is good info and well explained, I did not go thru all 156 comments, but could you tell me why you do not put your leads (as you will always use them to connect) on to do the zero test, I'm a bit confused? de ZS3LB Leon
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 4 ай бұрын
Sorry man, not entirely sure what you are asking
@lmy5pence481
@lmy5pence481 4 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe To calibrate/open/close/load with the lead, instead of rectifying it later to get it back to 0. I hope this makes sense?
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 4 ай бұрын
It does, an I do calibrations with and without the leads. Depending on what I am testing and where I want my reference plane to be located.
@lmy5pence481
@lmy5pence481 4 ай бұрын
@@TheSmokinApe Thank you Ape. I just received my new H4, so I'm just getting into it. You have also made me to think out of the box and to apply different ways to work and rectify. 73
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 4 ай бұрын
@@lmy5pence481 awesome, good luck with it 👍
@Jaccayumitty
@Jaccayumitty 4 ай бұрын
Good video, but why does every video on calibrating and using the Nanovna describe a different process? One leaves out the isolation and thru stages. Another says put the load on the lower port for isolation. This is the first video I've found that says the sma female to female link is a standard for the thru calibration and to use it with both pigtails, others just use one pigtail to connect the ports to each other. I have a Nanovna that records SWR at 1.6 where my SWR meter records 1.1 - and I have no idea which one to trust 🫤
@TheSmokinApe
@TheSmokinApe 4 ай бұрын
There are a few calibration methods depending on the measurement you are making. That said, don’t have a known load you can compare both to?
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