The Infiniti Q60 Red Sport is a $45k Car That Costs $65k - Why? - Two Takes

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The Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 AWD is a nice daily driver, a comfy cruiser, and a good looking everyday runabout. But compared to very stiff competition from Audi and BMW it is shockingly overpriced. Zack and Matt explain why that might be and what went wrong with Infiniti’s most popular sport coupe.
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[@TheSmokingTire]

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[@B8killerPan]

How tall is the smoking tire?

[@poppad1187]

I feel with so little coupes left this car in 2024 still holds it’s own. I have a 2017 Accord 6-6 Coupe and I still love the look of a coupe along with its power, don’t like the artificial sound & love the N/A V6 in the J35 Unfortunately with the decay of most cities infrastructure any car with even 45 series rubber , your getting flats all the freakin time. I have had 3 flat tires in the last 2 yrs so I find myself wanting a SUV and I don’t even have kids.

[@Lord_Pilaf]

Thanks for reviewing my car! I will say, you're spot on most points - these cars are definitely way overpriced if you buy them new. However, if you manage to get one used like I did, for around $30k, and then modify it, they are absolute gems. The reason why is because you can make tremendous power with these platforms with just a few bolt-ons and a tune. Even adding lowered suspension and swapping tires makes a huge difference. You really do have to modify these cars to unlock their true potential.

[@Dance1617]

Good to know

[@Ecuador006]

No man just get the tlx type S

[@Whips383]

@@Ecuador006 type s is slow and no one wants a Honda

[@ThePandasian34]

@@Ecuador006 the TLX TYPE S is a full half second slower than the Q50RS which is already an old car in it’s own right. it’s already fallen into the same trap the Q50RS is, over priced, bland, slower than it’s competitors in it’s price bracket(BMW M340i, MBZ c43, AUDI S4 ETC) And for what the same interior that you would see in a accord Or a aging MDX. Nah no thanks

[@pattisonvidal3909]

@@ThePandasian34 all true, but no need to be vile.

[@derekb5749]

The Q60s is still one of the best looking coupes out there.

[@beastieboys3]

Except on the inside

[@Sinoops]

@@beastieboys3 The 2nd screen for the climate control by itself ruins the whole interior.

[@beastieboys3]

@@Sinoops Plus he lied when he said the materials feel premium. You can even see the other guy was shocked when he said that

[@q6_zilla]

Only real reason I bought one, performance was a just a nice extra

[@Masterleechan]

@@beastieboys3 yes mind readerr he lied people like you send someone to jail

[@michaellenheiser3157]

Certified pre-owned Q60 owner here…. -still looks relevant -I’m 52 so I’m not looking for a race but great performance when needed -turns heads and constantly get asked what is it But if I was shopping new it would not top my list.

[@johnwayne2103]

I was looking to upgrade but the more I looked at it the more I wanted something else and I still haven't found it.

[@ThePandasian34]

I’m a Q50RS owner, and i can tell you, Matt you are 100% spot on everything is done well and balance well in terms of comfort, quality and speed. Until the prices are said then everything falls apart. My car i bought used it’s a 2018 and it is 31k out the door and it’s CPO with warranties. thats when these cars start to make sense even the LUXE trim q50’s and q60’s. And the tuning potential, sharing parts with the Z makes it super easy to improve a lot of the handling gripes this car has

[@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind]

Insightful comment, thanks for adding!

[@masonbuck3210]

I think the only issue is the bmw x40is are simply better. You can get those used for cheap too. Only reason I would get one of these is if I liked the looks which I dont. To each their own.

[@TheNgp90]

@@masonbuck3210 I have a modded q50s and my brother has a modded 340i. I would say if you want more of raw driving experience go bmw but if you want more smooth go q50. We race all the time and go on long drives and swap cars. When I get back in my car I feel I made the right choice for me. If you want to track it bmw if not it’s all preferences

[@justdrive5327]

How does tuning improve the performance? My 04 G35x does 1.06 on the corners. I think oem it was around 0.89. Slammed on coilovers, 3 clicks from full stiff and some hankook tires is all it needs to handle like its on rails. How is a G35 relevant to this Q60? That if you can greatly improve an old car with modifications, a newer car can do better

[@justdrive5327]

@@TheNgp90 You can make these Infinitis track cars. Handling mods. Get yourself a good set of coilovers, sway bars, strut bars and tires. And you'll run laps around your brother's BMW. My G35 turns like a race car by being lowered and being almost on full stiff. When people slow down for curves, i gas it and hold on. Yeah, the oem seats can hold me in lol

[@mikehub6664]

Still one of the sexiest exterior designs out there. Almost Italian in they its flares is beauty for all to see. Drives meh but you can’t help but look back it every time you walk away in a sunset.

[@randomname931]

They need to refresh this based on the 2023 Z. Needs a manual/9 speed auto, updated infotainment and all digital cluster. The exterior is drop dead sexy. Just needs some updates.

[@Dudeman9339]

They are $40,000 used with 10k miles on them. Hell they become worth 45k as soon as you drive off the lot.

[@ZillaFullBoost]

I believe new it’s overpriced. Got my stock Q50RS used for 28k. I now runs mid 10’s on stock turbos. Life is good 😎

[@Abel3270]

What’s done to it bro I have a q50rs too🔥

[@Daveyboy_GolfR]

I'd also love to get a general idea of the main power mods (especially the brand/type tune) that allowed you to knock about 3 seconds off the stock 13-13.5 1/4 time on stock turbos. Is it just tune and bolt-ons, or any engine work done?

[@TheLawIX]

Bro, mid 10's on stock turbos? LOL. Even on full E85 you'll need pures to run anything lower than high 10's.

[@Daveyboy_GolfR]

@@TheLawIX I've got my mk7 Golf R down to 11.51 on stock turbo and motor with 93 Oct. That's not so hard to believe. But mid 10s on a 4000lb q50s with stock turbos? That's F8, Huracan Evo/Aventador SV, 675LT times... I've actually had the privilege of driving a 650s snd 675 LT Among many other exotics and they are just absolutely bonkers fast.... and you're basically sitting on the floor you're so low... Scary scary fast! Weighs almost nothing (2,980lbs) with 675hp, yet somehow gets taken by his 4,000lb Q50s with stock turbos?? I call bullshit too

[@TheLawIX]

@@Daveyboy_GolfR ran 11.3 in 45 degree at 400 above sea level. Basic bolt ons and 93 octane (tuned), 22 Q50 RS. My 19 Q50 RS barely broke into the 10's on full E85 and one of my stock turbos started developing a whining noise. 93 with exhaust, LDPs, HX and intake is the sweet spot for the VR30 unless you want to start seriously modding. Torque starts becoming a serious issue with E85 on the VR30 platform (580+wheel torque), need to detune to keep stock drivetrain happy. Stock turbos are basically a peak capacity around 19PSI. Need pures to push more. Also for anyone reading this, you can easily get 5-6k off sticker for a new RS, even in current market. I've paid around 57K for my last two both around 63k sticker.

[@483SGT]

Infiniti's fall from grace is so sad

[@Saabfather]

They literally said fuck and didn't even to try after kicking some major ass back in the day. Boggles my mind?!??!

[@ivandielman4600]

Carlos Ghosn

[@boneszy]

This looks great su hater

[@tleoipl37]

Fax

[@aaryeshg.6526]

I mean... the Maxima is also old so not really surprising.

[@blakslee720]

In response to question 1, in Hartford County CT, you see a TON of Q sedans, a significant portion of which have at least one of the following 1. Muffler delete 2. Rimz/slammed suspension 3. Plastidip/fake carbon No clue how many are Red sports and they all drive like a$$holes. You can get a used Red Sport near me for under $40k

[@TML34]

🤣🤣 true. More annoying than slammed Civics with a fartcan muffler.

[@apthashooter860]

I’m in the same area. Hartford born and raised. I have a Q50 SS. Full 3inch down pipes full 3inch exhaust and turbo inlet tubes factory intakes cause there good. Not slammed. That shit is weird and car looks fairly stock. Once it’s tuned I’ll make around 430-450 whp. That’s good power for a car that’s unsuspecting. And I kill scars and M3s all day. Car handles great and it has the same awd system as the GTR. Rear drive biased and it surprises everyone.

[@07wrxtr1]

My fave: They have all of these "mods" but, they "don't have time" to put a ceramic coat on the vehicle nor wash it properly, so when you get the right kind of sunlight hitting them, it looks like someone took sandpaper to the side of the vehicle... It's sad, but it's always the same low IQ mouthy stereotype that gravitates towards those vehicles.

[@apthashooter860]

@@07wrxtr1 I don’t understand what that means. A Q50RS or SS or Q60RS or SS aren’t cheap vehicles. By your name I assume you have a WRX? Which are much worse with there crowd and it doesn’t have a hint of Luxury at all. Secondly there really not that fast even with tunes and bolt ons and there hella unreliable. And before you say I don’t know. I worked at Subaru for a year as a B tech. They quite frankly suck. These Infiniti’s are considered luxury vehicles and they turn heads when there clean and maintained well. But that goes for any vehicle. And no WRX or Sti wants to race any of us cause more often than not your gonna lose. And to cap it off. I get complements from car guys and girls in higher end cars all the time. I never see this for any Subaru. And if you dnt have one. Disregard anything I said. But it’s still true. Lmao.

[@vernonsmith7378]

@@07wrxtr1 they come with ceramic coats from the factory

[@papa_pt]

I'd like to know who at Infiniti trashed the company by giving up their spot as modern Japanese BMW competitor and decided to develop shit like steer by wire instead

[@Plupx]

that would maybe be renault? Nissan as a whole has really dropped the ball in the last 10 years.

[@joe718gt4]

He probably left Japan in an instrument case

[@papa_pt]

@@Plupx it seems they're at least half awake now getting rid of the CVT and adding the new Z

[@papa_pt]

@@joe718gt4 😂

[@redlion145]

@@papa_pt I almost hate to break it to you, but the "new" Z is the old Z with the engine out of this Red Sport. The chassis of the "new" Z shares like 70% of the components with the old chassis. The interior is the same as a 370. About the only thing that changed was some exterior styling and the engine. But beyond it's similarities to the old model, has anyone actually seen one in the wild? The car debuted sometime last year and I still haven't seen one driving on the street. Hype has almost died on that model, and it hasn't made any money for Nissan yet.

[@SibRevs]

I feel that the FM Platform, though old, is still a very relevant platform. It just needs to be infused with lighter materials, the suspension needs to be tuned a bit better from the factory, and the steering needs to be thoroughly updated.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Have you driven it? And compared it to its competitors lately?

[@S.Madman]

Not to mention the ancient 7 speed they are still using. It shifts the same way my old G37 shifts.

[@_zigzak]

@@LafemmebearMusic aluminum double wishbone and multilink rear, what else can you ask for? Maybe better shock tuning. It was ahead of its time when it came out and even chargers and mustangs still don’t use any aluminum suspension components.

[@SibRevs]

The competition has definitely surpassed it but I think Nissan/Infiniti has the ability to breath new life into the platform with not a bunch of work.

[@BigHeadClan]

@@LafemmebearMusic it needs some love to be sure but Nissan has continually updated the platform it’s still pretty solid. I mean it underpins the gtr as well so at least for the price point it plays in it isn’t that bad.

[@mahdi.zr1]

Owner of a Q60RS here, these cars are by far the best bang for your buck luxury coupes on the market USED. And what alot of people don't know is with just a few simple boltons and a tune transform this thing into a 450whp rocket. Keep an eye out for these on the used market, phenomenal cars for the money.

[@djivan831]

AWD Q60RS owner here too! I couldn’t agree more w/ your opinion, I bought mine for 46k fully loaded w/ 6.5k on the odometer. Practically NEW, I’d NEVER buy one new. For that amount of money I’d rather shop for an M or AMG car tbh! Best value on the used market, in addition to bolt on’s & a tune 🔥🔥🔥

[@mahdi.zr1]

@@djivan831 sounds like you did good on your deal! I got my 2017 with 23k on the odometer, all the options i wanted and the color too for 32k out the door. 3k in mods and ive got a 450whp beast. You'd never get those numbers out of a C43 or S4 for that kinda money

[@djivan831]

@@mahdi.zr1 I couldn’t agree more! You are absolutely right!

[@eddieh9857]

Matt the true OG Car guy on youtube!!!! and Zac always on point since u have brought em on, much credit had to write this been here since first gen raptor u bought

[@Ecuador006]

OG kush 🔥

[@Whips383]

Ford raptor is shit

[@DM-xt3rl]

This vehicle is still one of the best looking coupes you can buy but it should be priced around the low to mid $50K mark like the TLX Type S.

[@nifa7231]

Only for fans over 18 years old tinders.club/AGNEZ tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘

[@E46M54]

yeah weird to think the design been around awhile now. updating the design language gonna be hard i imagine

[@andycalifornia426]

@@E46M54 Are you looking to buy one of these and don't like the styling? I thought so. I'm not either, but it looks so good I wish I had the money.

[@occckid123]

Doesn't the q50rs sedan cost exactly he came as the tl type s? Is just the tl type s is slow...?

[@Kefuddle]

Upshifts are instant with power, except that traction control seems to interrupt the change to 3rd occasionally. Turning T/C off or short-shifting slightly fixes that. When you back off the shift is noticeably slower. Downshifts are not that different from any BMW/ZF I have experienced...slow. I could never describe the steering as slow in Sport or Sport+. It is hyper-comfy and a joy to own and drive. But it is an 8/10ths car. But 6/10ths is massively faster than any other car on road and is border-line dangerous! However, I have had mine for 4 years and I plan to keep it for many more years. In the UK I can't find anything to replace it tbh, not without spending silly money on throw away cars or stupidly priced EVs.

[@Triptisim]

Can’t wait for you guys to review the new Z!! Excited to see how this engine platform does in that car. Although most people in this community will be after the manual, I hope the auto doesn’t have the same gearing issue the Q60 has.

[@aaryeshg.6526]

This car has a 7 speed auto that's been around for over a decade. The new Z has a 9 speed auto. Edit: Also I just realized these autos were originally Merc's lol. Jatco just builds their own version under license. The more you know... 😆

[@14DENISS88]

@@aaryeshg.6526 9G-tronic in AMG lites and SUVS is dope, considering the sloppiness of the previous non-mct gearboxes.

[@pattisonvidal3909]

@@14DENISS88 That is exciting. Although, I am more interested in the manual.

[@ElSikario100]

@@aaryeshg.6526 Which ones were Mercs? The old 7 speeds or the new 9 speeds?

[@aaryeshg.6526]

@@ElSikario100 Both are originally Merc's gearboxes. The 7 speed is a 7G-Tronic and 9 speed is a 9G-Tronic as someone mentioned.

[@FATALiTYo]

I leased a '17 Q60 S AWD and loved it. When my lease finished I jumped into a '17 QX60 for about two years. Last week I sold it and bought another '19 Q60 RS AWD

[@torvarrisevans9334]

Would you recommend awd or rwd

[@djivan831]

@@torvarrisevans9334 AWD hands down!!!

[@Nick22257]

Infiniti’s are phenomenal used cars for buyers who don’t want to maintain a German car. Loved my g37x, brought it from 143k to 266k miles with nothing but normal maintenance

[@TheTkpham]

I daily drove a 370Z for 5yrs / 75k miles, and I really hope to get the new Z. Since they're moving from hydraulic steering to EPAS, I really hope they nail it better than these Infiniti Q-series. I knew the steer by wire was a disaster, but I hoped at least the EPAS was better.

[@ctknetwork3008]

the new z will be trash compared to 370 id hold onto your 370, i know i’m keeping mine

[@slowspecv69]

As of right now having not had a z I’d buy a used 370z nismo over a new Z. Less money and enough for for me, and more pure id think.

[@07wrxtr1]

@@ctknetwork3008 I'm on the fence. It's going to take a ton of money to properly update the z with more power. $20,000 to do it the right way when it's all said n done...

[@shad3128]

Even the non steer by wire system is shit compared to the older hydraulic steering on the g35/37. You cant feel what the cars doing and its annoying lol

[@iamthelaw69]

I can attest to the guido-mobile. The one I bought still had papers from the original person that leased it, and yes, certified guido.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

Not much different from a fox body Mustang 5.0 hatchback or a either one of the gm f body twins

[@joen4088]

So you automatically assume because someone has an Italian last name that they're a Guido? Did you meet the person?

[@pontiacGXPfan]

@@joen4088 no. if they act like a Guido meat-head, then I'll assume that's what they are

[@iamthelaw69]

@@joen4088 I automatically assume you're a snowflake, but you already confirmed it, thanks.

[@sasha-taylor]

I've got a 2008 G37S coupe (6mt) with 200k miles on it. While I've had to fix some known issues (clutch slave, subframe/diff bushings) that any car is bound to have in one form or another, it's been incredibly reliable and it's held up very well. Nissan is definitely lagging behind because of their continuation of platforms and components for far longer than they probably should, but they do build a solid, high quality vehicle when they put the effort into it. The platform itself is kinda great, good suspension, good balance, versatile in application from the Z all the way to the extended sedans (and to a certain extent the SUV's as well). But it needs a real refresh. And yet the new Z is still going to be on it. Really I'm not sure what Nissan's next move will be from here.

[@sasha-taylor]

@@FlameOnTheBeat nice! I drive 25k miles a year in mine, and I beat the piss out of it every time I drive. our cars are mechanically identical, from the suspension arms to the engine/trans, so I'll offer some tips in case you haven't hit these issues yet: Z Speed CMAK delete kit when your slave goes out. It's a matter of time (assuming it hasn't already), and the Z Speed kit doesn't require adjustment for clutch wear like the Z1 kit does. Installs a clutch fork and typical external slave. I really like the exedy S2 quiet clutch and billet steel lightened flywheel (19lbs, single-mass) that I got with it. And poly subframe and diff mounts when those inevitably take a poo. Fair warning from a professional mechanic who did it herself, it's a HUGE pain in the ass to drop the rear subframe on these cars, I drop subframes all the time and I'm not sure why but this one beat me up and took an entire weekend. Poly mounts didn't increase NVH at all really, and the driveline and handling are tighter for it. Also if you've got the akebono calipers, be super careful when you unbolt them from the knuckles because those steel bolts have likely been threaded into the aluminum caliper bodies for a very long time since the pads can be replaced without taking them off and the stock rotors last so long. The threads came out with the bolts on mine and it didn't take well to a tap and helicoil either. I'm dreading the one front caliper I haven't removed yet on the car.

[@samah713]

Take a 3 series with a 6 speed out for a drive, and it will change your mind on the VQ platform

[@sasha-taylor]

@@samah713 I've driven them, I'm just not really into the feeling of a lot of (mostly newer) German cars. They're fast, they handle, but the steering is numb, they're very isolated, they tend to be really unreliable/finicky and I really hate working on them (I'm a pro at a shop for all makes), I've never liked the feeling of the BMW and VAG shifters I've tried, just not my thing. I love the older ones, and obviously Porsche is a huge exception to everything I just said, but I don't really have any interest in newer Benz/BMW/Audis. And I think my comment made it clear I understand the FM platform's shortcomings. I do. I've driven many miles and done much work on my Infiniti, and I've driven and worked on many cars of the platform.

[@liblib89]

That's a huge selling point folks overlook. These cars can last a long time and take quite the abuse, german cars break constantly

[@sasha-taylor]

@@liblib89 exactly. the shop I work for services all makes and models, and there's a reason we call bmw's "bring money with", and audi's "owwies". Yes there's reliable German cars, but they're the exception not the rule. And they've been getting more and more rare over the years. Tons of the older models lasted decades, but not so with most of the newer stuff. Many of them have literally dozens of computers, the electronics are a nightmare and control everything, and when one goes down it usually takes other stuff with it. They take forever to diagnose, most jobs both mechanical and electrical require more hours in labor than their equivalent in American or Japanese cars, and many of the systems require crazy calibration or programming that the OEM's only want their dealership service centers to have, so either my shop has to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a tool we'll use very rarely or we have to send the customer to the dealer to get hugely overcharged for a minor thing.

[@Taylorc52]

It’s overpriced new, but the used market reflects that. Bought one of these with every option last year for $38k (a 2019) and have greatly enjoyed it as a daily that can eat miles, have fun, and be extremely reliable.

[@austinkoziol6072]

Absolute fire buy at $38K

[@ThatRosco458]

Sounds like a good buy to me

[@gabrieljohnson5077]

I just bought one with every option Monday. $42500 for a fully loaded 2018 with 32k miles

[@DigitalRecollections]

I don’t even think anyone buys these new…Infiniti has some stupid great discounts for leases (pre-Covid) there was dudes on Facebook paying 400 something for their redsport lease I got my 2017 q60rs with 27k miles for 35k…very comfortable and quick, really sexy looking car too…I think the trade off so it can be comfortable is it doesn’t feel sporty as much as you would think it would be

[@pattisonvidal3909]

🤣"That's where I exit the bus..." ~ Matt Farah 🤣 Legendary. I agree with you two. Pricing is the biggest marketing hindrance or advantage for sports cars. If the Corvette wasn't well priced, it would not have become so popular for it's performance. If someone likes this car, they should buy a used one from 2017-18 for under $40k at Carmax.

[@joetacchino4470]

Infiniti really mailing this in. Aside from the engine, this whole car is so dated. Chassis, infotainment, transmission. I remember being wooed by a G37 back in 2010. This is 2022. Also, your point about the nomenclature is so true. When you said the Q60 was coming, I really thought you were talking about an SUV.

[@xL0stKIlah]

That Porsche in your pick looks like any porch released in the 90s your point?

[@allentoyokawa9068]

no it is not fool

[@scarboy6693]

I have the Q50 Red Sport myself and I see it more as a GT/Long Distance Commuter. It does look dated and the handling isn’t anything to write home about. However it’s super comfy on my commute and I replaced the tires with Michelin Summer Tires which made the ride and handling so much better. All the technology including the Wireless CarPlay works really well too. I agree it’s dated but I everything works great and the engine is an absolute blast.

[@DayoftheJakeL]

I can sit upright in a g35 coupe, I’m 6’8” I was so sad to see that when I went to the dealer to order a q60, I could no longer order without a sunroof, I lost my manual, and it was severely cramped with the sunroof, I basically had to lay down. Having bought 2 g35 coupes from the same dealer I’m sure they were sorry to lose my business. I currently have a carbon roof e92 m3 and I love it, but it’s 10 years old and there’s sadly nothing new that I can replace it with!

[@mogulme6190]

Look stateside

[@_IMNNO]

Mk8 GTI

[@scarboy6693]

I will say the price of the test cars is a bit inflated because of the accessory wheels and exhaust they fit to the press cars. Frankly I find the wheels they come with otherwise better looking

[@BigHeadClan]

Aye can get into them in the low-mid 50s but given the leases Infiniti offers MSRP doesn’t mean much. Does cause an awful lot of sticker shock though.

[@pininfarina575]

One of my neighbors just got one. brand. new. not used. what a sucker. but i was nice to him "nice car!"

[@jasonhong678]

used = acceptable value new = stupid

[@andycalifornia426]

Infiniti is a luxury sub-brand, not performance-oriented like BMW M. The car's not really aimed at sports car audience. It does feature some performance-oriented stuff for the same reason Mercedes normally do: to pass crummy hatchbacks and for bragging rights, but not to set lap times or be a driver's car. Whereas BMW M240 is more of a performance/driver-oriented car. So it's not a fair comparison. And trunk capacity compared to BMW: that's hardly a deciding factor as people buying 2-door coupes know what they're getting into and if they needed a diaper hauler, they'd be looking at 3 series, not 2, anyway. Audi S3 is a 4-door family car and it looks like one. I don't know what kind of person 2-door coupe person would go for that instead. Probably someone with no mind of their own. Mercedes C43 is the real competitor, as well as Lexus RCF.

[@Comedy4The21Century]

I have a ‘14 q50s 3.7 and they’re a used bargain to get solid performance - but they’re no longer the Japanese BMW. The handling and steering falls short, and so do the dynamics in general. But as a used daily, pretty hard to beat for the price, reliability and features. But new - why spend Audi/BMW/Mercedes money and get a worse performing vehicle? Great daily/GT as Zack mentioned but definitely not a track machine.

[@jensgronning4436]

When the G35 came out it was one of the hottest cars you could buy in the price range. I had a red 2004 g35 and I’ll never forget the feeling picking it up a the dealership. Those days are long gone with todays infinitis

[@TheSavanto]

I’ll agree it was different than a lot of other offers but remember the 04 cobra mustang that was going for the same price. Better in every way.

[@restlessyouthproductions]

I love my 2018 Q50RS, but I would never pay 60k for it. You have to pick these cars up for 35-40k, and then you're really getting a bang for your buck. I don't really understand what most of these reviewers are talking about when they say " limits". I can't be out here on the road, pushing " limits" of a car I insure and have a payment on. You guys review cars and you kind of have a privileged experience with these vehicles, so your kind of out of touch. I haven't found a corner or an exit I can't take during spirited drives and twists of interstate traffic. I don't push to dangerous limitations because I don't like tickets or jail, I need to be around for my family, and I'm not trying to have an accident. Remember that the core of buyers aren't taking this thing to a track and comparing its slalom to a 340i ... that's a privilege...that's not everyday people. Sometimes, well, lets face it... ALOT of times you car reviewers need to have reminder that although you drive tons of cars and go from seat to seat, average people choose 1 car and drive it. I'm sure if I just drove a BMW 340i and then jumped in this Infinity, I'd have lots of complaints.... but the average person doesn't do that. lol

[@joyceofdriving4954]

It was almost obligatory for every G35 owner to sport a blowout. I loved the sound of those G35s with an exhaust. There were a lot of those at Westchester Community College, all the rich fail outs were there in the spring semester.

[@xL0stKIlah]

They do sound badass

[@joyceofdriving4954]

@@xL0stKIlah To this day nothing sounds like them. You can hear them and know what's coming before you see them.

[@Bitter65]

Couldn't agree more on the headroom. My first car was an Infiniti J30, we had a G35 in the family that I loved, when I got my first job making good money I went straight to the Infiniti dealership fully intending to buy a G37S. My head was rubbing on the roof, which I find understandable in a sports car but inexcusable in a sedan. The steering was also disappointingly vague compared to the older Infinitis I loved so much.

[@BigHeadClan]

I’m 6’4 and fit in my g37 coupe, there is a adjustment bolt under the seat that give you an extra inch or two of head room. But yeah it’s a bit tight even after I made that adjustment.

[@xL0stKIlah]

You aren't getting a sleek looking car without a chopped roof

[@christopherballenger-brook4027]

"You ate an egg salad at a Chevron." I'm fucking dying laughing... I swear to god... that had me rolling.

[@Sairos-Plays]

I’m the proud owner of a G37x sedan and a G35 coupe. Both cars are phenomenal. What Zack said with his drive in a g37, perfect GT car out of the box. The g35 feels a little more raw, but still such a solid vehicle for being 16 years old. I have been hesitant and I don’t think I’d upgrade to a Q60. They are so much money new, for what you get. Used is definitely the better option with those cars. However I have a buddy that got a q60 redsport, constant repairs and issues with it. By issues I mean replacing the whole steering and replacing turbos. Which you shouldn’t need to do on a car with 20k miles.

[@fmsdaman1]

The vq37vhr had a fantastic balance between performance and reliability, i would definitely take one over a vr30

[@Sairos-Plays]

@@fmsdaman1 that engine has been treating me well. So far no major issues, I’ve had the car since late 2017. The power of the vr sounds good, but I don’t want to have it constantly broken. Not for 400-500 hp

[@pedrovargas3038]

These cars are fast beautiful reliable its a no brainer these engines are practically bulletproof

[@SS-yw7vo]

I almost bought one of these. One of the best looking cars ever. No digital speedo, two screens with different resolutions and weirdo steering deterred me

[@jakearmstrong2127]

These have digital speedometers. Just adjust the gague cluster screen. I also don't notice different resolution between screens, but that's just me

[@SS-yw7vo]

@@jakearmstrong2127 maybe the later ones had digital Speedo?

[@everythingkenx]

I got a 2017 Red Sport fully loaded in 2021 for 28k. Very worth it

[@MSupreme7]

How is it holding up? Just bought the same car a few weeks ago

[@everythingkenx]

@@MSupreme7 great bro, def recommended blow off valves

[@mattjames1555]

Put a quality tune on it with the torque tables properly modified and it's a different animal. You should check out a car that's tuned by Racebox.

[@djivan831]

Getting tuned in a few months from the GOAT Racebox!

[@jaceksky4064]

I have q60s twin Turbo AWD

[@drrightwing4435]

The Infiniti 7 spd has always been an underperforming transmission

[@anthonys6657]

I wanted to buy one of these so badly, but after test driving it I arrived at the exact same conclusions that you guys have made here. I actually ended up getting a CPO used Q50S which performs almost as well and was much cheaper. I considered the M240i but I prefer the reliability of the Japanese brands. Great job on the review!

[@anthonytortorella3237]

The real question after watching this is, when are you two going to get a chance to drive the 2023 Nissan Z!?

[@benchavez3686]

Because Nissan/Ininiti is a Low Credit/No Credit brand and their buyers dont really care about the price as long as they can get a 7 year term and a loan from their 520 credit score.

[@DoctorSkillz]

Yeah, because poor people suck, right?

[@Dindyracer]

Everything you just said, in relation to Infiniti, is incorrect. Just is lol.

[@benchavez3686]

@@Dindyracer You're right, it's probably that no one buys Infiniti's new, they're all lease specials, so the price doesn't matter. Then high school kids buy them after they've lost 70% of their value and put obnoxious exhausts on them.

[@StreetArtist391]

This sounds more like V8 Dodge/Mopar owners.

[@user-rn4tt9gw2p]

That’s cute little kid

[@letd1995]

That car was dope in 2015. The fact that Infiniti keeps pushing the same outdated stuff just crazy. Theyclearly not listening to the consumers about their infotainment and dated transmission

[@jak3est]

Sums up nissan,toyota,subaru and honda the past decade. So sad they took that tuner reputation they earned in the early 90's and just sat on it and milked what they had tweaking and stealing other designs,no r&d they even outsourced engines from other makers avoiding their own r&d and the clearcoats last 5years tops. Idk id honestly buy American over Asian any day in this day in age

[@letd1995]

@@jak3est I wouldn’t say the same for Honda or Toyota IMO

[@aaryeshg.6526]

@@jak3est when you focus on reliability and longevity so much, you end up with overused platforms/engines/gearboxes that just get outdated. Good for peeps that want to keep cars longer (8 years isn't surprising), bad for peeps that want something epic out of the box.

[@andycalifornia426]

@@jak3est They just stopped developing this car and would've axed it, but decided to keep selling it as long as it does. That's a win-win: they still get a few sales; you can buy it you want to, and you have no obligation to if you don't. Imagine if Toyota had done that with Supra instead of axing it in 1996. I'm sure people would've complained and mocked Toyota in 2002, but that would've resulted way greater availability and pricing of used Mark IV Supras in 2022.

[@jak3est]

@@andycalifornia426 the supra was an incredible car from the get go. As you can hear in this review the Q60 was not a well sorted car from the factory. It had an engine and exterior styling thats about it. If it was manual maybe it would have redeemed some points but it almost sounds painful hearing these car guys just subtly hate the car. You can jump in any stock supra,mustang etc and have an experience, the nissan is just a sedan being branded as a sports car. People just get it because its easy to obtain

[@scoobtay]

It’s because the Nissan group will offer financing on cars in this price range to people that can’t be financed by other manufacturers’ banks. Check the average buyer FICOS by manufacturer.

[@483SGT]

Low ass lease prices too

[@justdrive5327]

Matt I bet you tha M245 won't smoke any Q60 with a ECUTEK or RACEBOX tune.. Yes it cheaper. We use the saved money on mods

[@highergenius2593]

All it needs is the new 9AT and the lsd from the new Z and it would get A LOT more attention from gearheads despite the aging interior

[@RichardinNC1]

When Subway is a step up, you know its bad….

[@AUTOMOBILZ]

Being almost 43 yrs old, I remember how good Infiniti was in 90s………but just like Acura, they lost their way. This is just my opinion, the Japanese car makers don’t spread the love across their product lines. When you look at BMW, Audi and Benz, the same effort they put in the flagship models they put in the lower models…….at least when it comes to the M, S/RS and AMG lines. So Nissan gives us the GTR then cuts corners with this Q60. This car should be nothing less than a milder more affordable GTR, same thing Lexus did. Lexus gave us the magnificent LFA then cut corners with all the other F models. M cars, S/RS Audis and AMG’s have consistent build quality, performance, feel and overall driving experience across the model range. Just my 2 cents!

[@jerrywarren2007]

Nissan just hasn't invested enough into Infiniti. My 8 1/2 year old Q50S Hybrid AWD has almost 100K miles and has been rock solid. Few options regarding mid sized Japanese luxury car with a RWD platform and AWD that is sporty. And then if you want a coupe you have this and the Lexus RC.

[@Brett7777]

I think as a daily cruiser bought used with rear wheel drive it is ok. You can tune these. Plain and simple it is not a sports car no matter how you slice the green egg sandwich. Body style is gorges though.

[@E79eternal]

The q50/q60’s are super underrated. Just got mine tuned pushing 440+ wheel horsepower. Its an absolute sleeper and yea the tech is outdated and interior is meh (still nice) but man the value you get is great. Definitely drive one if you haven’t to see what its like and buy used. 🙌

[@ApexofWar_]

They need to drop the price by about $10k. Ideally $15k, but if they drop it by $10k, this car starts making a lot more sense. Or wait till the leased ones hit the used car market at a corrected value which is my recommendation. These cars last a long time and have a great aftermarket. And with a few small upgrades like an ECU tune ($1k) and 13" Tesla style infotainment system ($1k), the car really becomes what it should've been at a $65k price point.

[@JorgeRodriguez-ov3ye]

When you look at the monthly payments on a BMW M2 the Q60 RS is not a bad option! Lol

[@singular9]

Such an underrated car. Not only does it look FANTASTIC, its got the goods. Its not perfect, but its an insane luxury coupe. Imagine a 2door IS500 with AWD.

[@allenpaul102]

If this car had a better steering rack and a Zf8 speed it would be worth the money. I had a 2016 red sport and it was so fun but the transmission let it down and they vague steering wasn’t fun to drive. I got an Alfa Romeo Giulia veloce as a replacement and it really fixed all the issues I had with my INFINITI.

[@BenS65AMG]

I had a Q50 red sport in 2017 and while it was nice overall, I got bored of it in less than 6 months. That being said I got a 2020 m340i and will never again get another Japanese car

[@juniorjyczh]

Is it rwd or awd?

[@williamwilson5125]

I owned a new q50s 2016MY(sibling to the q60) and was totally dissatisfied with my purchase especially coming from a BMW. I kept the car all of one year only to return to BMW to buy an F80 M3 Dct. Final conclusion was Infiniti is in no way comparison to the true performance cars in its segment. Totally agree with you Matt. The M240i is a much... better car.

[@karlisrubenis]

I really wish you would do some interior shots of the vehicles.

[@neebus1209]

These guys are great but I feel like driving gt3rs and all their crazy cool cars have kind of ruined how they feel about anything

[@dvskane1808]

Love my q60, got it wit 14,000 miles for 31k in 2019 for a 2017. Gearing isn’t great, but tune it, or even a JB4. It’s a whole different motor. If you don’t like the interior, can’t fix that, at 5 feet 8, fits me perfectly. I’ve dusted supercharged Audi’s. Also, don’t buy them new, who does that?? That’s where the price hurts. Never pay msrp!

[@throughdude23]

They are fast cars with nice amenities and have decent performance but buy them a used one 2-3 years old and you can get them for a fair price. Loads of them just sitting on dealer lots that aren't moving fast so you could haggle a deal. Just don't go pay full price.

[@djivan831]

💯💯💯 that’s exactly what I did. Best bang for the buck & platform has a lot of potential. Lots of aftermarket support, even w/ the new Z coming out its going to continue 10 fold.

[@Yohasbing]

What kills me the most about this latest infiniti, is that they can sell more of a car, at a cheaper price than this, with more power, and more aerodynamics, that would appease several different markets of buyers, but they chose to stay mediocre at every level. You can tell where the company is at where this is THE SPORTS COUPE of the company. Insanely disappointing, so much potential wasted on literally nothing, Nissan would have made the r35 actually look like an old car if they ever decide to update literally anything in a meaningful way. Am I gonna buy a Q60? Yes I hate it, of course I am.

[@ericbrown606]

Why not an IS500? Similar price point, similarly out dated compared to the Q60, but you get more power and an N/A V8. If you also consider depreciation, the Q60 is not going to hold its value like an IS500.

[@M67v]

This is exactly what my friend and I discussed on my podcast

[@Triple_A_Dogs]

@@M67v shhh. no. stop.

[@Cr125stin]

I’m leasing a Q50s for $390 a month. I put a JB4 tuner on it and now it runs mid 12 second 1/4 miles, without voiding the warranty.

[@M67v]

@@Triple_A_Dogs hmmm I guess I did plug but I didn’t have an intention to

[@metaldetectingthenortheast1294]

Never thought these were worth buying new. A 2018 low milage isn't going to be missing much that a 2021 has other thab car play and like $20k less... They just didn't change much from 2017 to 21. Needs less weighty rims, better exhaust, better heat exchanger.

[@Boostedsuspects]

Personally I own a Q50 (currently building a competition VR30 engine) the Q50/60 red sport series should even go past 50K in cost. They only offer 400hp when they should offer 430/440hp instead and the transmission is by far it’s weakest point l, it’s slushy and blah. The car is a bit on the heavy side too weighing from 3700/3900lbs.. Hopefully Infiniti makes the next generation of these cars more powerful, more performance oriented like BMW’s and paired with premium interiors to compensate for the costs..

[@07wrxtr1]

They tuned it that way to save clutch pacs. The 7AT just cannot tolerate abuse, so unless you get a custom ekutec tune where they can up the line pressure on the transmission, you're going to deal with variable shift behavior. There's a reason why IPT does $5000 transmission updates as many that are going insane with boost / bigger turbos eventually pay the price.

[@TheExpert7.62]

1. Obstructing the flow of traffic. 2. Reckless driving. 3. Speeding. 4. Backing or turning in street. Nice.

[@paulpierce21]

5. Touch grass.

[@anw9485]

I remember when the G35 first came out. I had just graduated high school. It was an AMAZING car. Unfortunately, you can still buy that same almost 20-year-old car , the Q60! For the last 5 years I've been driving Porsche, Audi, MB and BMW. Mostly BMW, and I'll say that there's no better time to own a BMW then now. I've had the B58 and currently the S58, just amazing! Those engines are solid with great reliability. And if you're a BMW hater, then buy the Supra.

[@Veyronp87]

another comparison that kills this car is the g70 (although that competes with the Q50 RS). Its almost as fast, 10k cheaper and nicer inside. and cheaper maintenace vs the germans.

[@LearningFast]

INFINITI is struggling MASSIVELY in terms of sales. They are the only manufacturer that has had declining sales continuously for the past 3 years. They have dropped about 60% in total sales volume in that time frame. They have no new cars slated to be announced this year at all. They had advertised that by 2022 they would be well on their way to having an all electric lineup. They don’t even have a single hybrid vehicle anymore much less a full electric one. Honestly, I don’t see how the INFINITI brand survives this year. Nissan has abandoned them.

[@witchcraftauto]

I have a G35 Coupe and a Sedan, when I worked at an Infiniti Dealership you can really see how that was when they peaked.

[@fredwilliams7893]

Ok I was wondering when this car was gonna reviewed! I have a soft spot for these Red Sports!

[@jz1607]

I have Q60 in Solar Mica colour (The gold colour) and it's the best looking car ever. Everyday I get compliments about the car. The car is so much fun and aggressive IDK why people it on youtube. I smoke BMWs and Benz days and nights

[@ContentinMesa]

Love to see you guys review the refreshed stinger gt

[@shadowsaiyan]

Where this car starts to make more sense is in the secondhand market. It's not going to hold value like it's competitors & you'll be able to get them cheap in some years. Good recipe for a cult classic tuner car.

[@ryanbishop4346]

They are trying to compare it to bmws which is stupid, of course it isn't as fast as a bmw. But it is better looking and twice as reliable.

[@BigRed999]

Being an owner of a Q60 redsport 400, I didn't think I'd like this review BUT I did because it's all true. With that said, I bought mine used for 35k and love it. With the two turbos make sure it comes with a warrantee - they have documented issues and are expensive to repair/replace. But again, buying the car used was worth what I paid.

[@HTXatLarge]

It was 2003 when the g35 coupe came out. Had a 6mt modded out & loved it

[@wackit6756]

I LOVED this car when it came out in '17' and even revisited it a couple of years ago. And it STILL looks beautiful. I could of lived with the 4000 pounds, but I was so insulted by the Infotainment system and the antiquated transmission that made this car so old, that I passed. I’m always rooting for the 2 door coupes!

[@csmarsh1957]

I had a 2003 Infiniti G35. I now have my 3rd Infiniti...a Q60S.

[@JuanLopez-kw9of]

i had a 1st gen Q45 and G35 and my relationship with Infiniti ended there. Seems to me Infiniti lost its way, (identity), after that They just did not invest enough R&D dollars to update their aging lineup and at this point with electrification, it doesn't make sense to do so. Many more options at this point, some very new and more compelling at $66K.

[@nickch_80]

Hopefully the new Z which is shares a lot from this Q60, is better 😬

[@ganuv]

You don’t see them on the road because for that price you can get the 340 with the B58 engine which is a better car in every way. There is your answer

[@andrewSUN17]

Price is too high but it is a nice driving car and the engine and platform is quite fun and well developed after all these years. So, in some ways it is solid and not a new experiment which falls short, besides some of the little dated quirks and headspace issues.

[@djivan831]

💯 I agree!

[@dopplepopoulis]

I think the real competition for this are the Japanese and Korean alternatives. Of course, if there's sentimental or nostalgic attachment, or you just love the way the q60 looks, that's fair enough. But objectively it's near the front of the pack in engine and sheet metal, and near the back of the pack in terms of steering, transmission, efficient use of space/weight, and tech. And while you can easily mod it for more power, you can do that for many of the competitors, and power is one of it's strengths. You can't mod away that transmission, steering, heavy-car handling, or tech as easily. If the only alternatives were Chargers, 300Ss, and Lincoln MKZs, it would be a compelling option. But I can't imagine buying this over a G70, IS500, or RCF if you've ever driven them back to back, or just done an objective comparison.

[@Alectrizo]

My V60 polestar has drive by wire and it does just fine, feels great.

[@chillipompom5263]

still prefer this over Any bmw that burns oil since coming out of factory 😁

[@tylerbetthauser7647]

The Johan comment was on point. Did the same with Cadillac.

[@alekwormuth734]

I have an 06 g35 6spd sedan. 300hp, rwd, LSD, manaual, decent interior. I have rays 19-inch wheels on it from the coupe and 350z suspension and a mild exhaust. All in probably around 5k and its been pretty decent to me

[@_zigzak]

Those early sedans are the tits if you have one in good shape.

[@megamort698]

Something to consider in regards to the steering ratio/speed: I believe for the G37 in a coupe model, as part of the S/sport pkg it got a closer ratio / “faster” steering rack. AWD sport pkg cars (G37XS) did not receive this change AFAIK, outside of that the package changes are the same. As mentioned, the cars very much still using a lot off the G37, likely including the “longer” steering rack an AWD G37 uses. Canada never got a 2WD Q50/Q60s so I can’t say for sure which a 2WD Q car uses. Shame about how the price bloat and typical Nissan lack of development has stunted a once promising brand. I used to work for an Infiniti dealer for a bit and over the years owned a G35 sedan, and a G37XS coupe

[@stevenhernandez2108]

So true the G35 was killing it back in the day I barely remember what this thing is called anymore

[@TheStallion234]

I had no idea Matt was from Harrison. Westchester let’s go

[@Sneaky5.sl0w.]

My buddy pulled one of these Red Sports 60-130 in a tune only Ecoboost Mustang.

[@gtr485]

They have new faster trans with the new Z. Better software infotainment. They could easily make this car really competitive.

[@michaelday6987]

12:11 Looks like someone had a bit of a bad time, seeing those tire marks.

[@aymanlockhartable]

I owned Infiniti cars 15 years. I owned 2004 G35x sedan came factory with Nismo aero kit! It was great car for 9 years no issues what so every sold it 190k miles still running strong! Then purchase 2012 G37xS unfortunately was not reliable! I wanted Q50 Red sport for longest time then end up with Kia Stinger! Genesis is everything Infiniti should be!

[@cancel.lgbtq.6892]

Don't see many of these on the roads. This car looks sexy , it just too bad that Infinity brand itself being neglected.