PvP Healer Tier List for The War Within Season 1!

[@absterge]

HEALER GUIDES COMING SOON!!!

[@Alex-im6or]

PauseChamp

[@kaledenful]

hell yeah

[@toallcameone3325]

"This is gonna be a quick video" (glances at 44:44) Oh yeah, it's all coming together

[@vorkanyx2172]

Haha! So glad you're the first comment!

[@MrAvailable1992]

Hahaha I didn't even notice.

[@D15function]

i instantly came to comments 3 sec into vid having this same thought

[@jasonmendoza2044]

Great job, positive, accountable and unbiased, that’s all we can ask for thanks for your viewpoint on all of these 🤙🏽

[@UltimateNL1]

Perfect visual format for this kind of tier list. Being able to see high-level gameplay with all of the strengths and pitfalls of the classes should be the standard for how all tier lists are made. Having the list itself on screen also avoids the pet peeve of needing to jump around to see the info you want if you are short on time. Great work!

[@hockeyfan2777]

how is this a quick video? hahha thanks for the list absterge

[@ekeblad]

Said quick several times. Boom 44min vid! Great video!

[@absterge]

it was suppose to be 10-15min... but I have a tendency to just ramble on forever. MY BAD

[@effortlessGFX]

OMG! He said quick video and THEN it wasn’t actually a quick VIDEO!!!1 I must leave a comment!

[@KingKryvo]

​@@absterge 44?!?!

[@marcosmorfin5619]

Great video man ty for that​@@absterge

[@Earthfurry717]

Went from 2 Blessing of Sacrifice(s) to 1, then they nerfed the duration for ultimate sacrifice, then they made it a 2minute cooldown with only a 15second maximum CD reduction, then they went and gave every class from Dh, Hunter, to Dragon a purge and even gave classes double purge on 1 GCD so BoP is essentially useless. Going from Df to TWW they nerfed Beacon of Light by 10%, but don't worry, we have a talent that increases its healing by 10% There are 2 things I think we need back for us to be good. Old Divine Favor (Protected Modified FoL/HL) & Aura Mastery giving a Wall AND Kick Protection instead of having to choose between 1 and ultimately costing a global swapping Auras if you wish to Aura Mastery the Aura you're not currently in. With the huge SaC nerf, they should at least make Ultimate Sac 12 seconds again, or revert the talent nerf back to 60seconds reduction. You can't just throw healing buffs at a class if the fundamentals aren't there. (But they also need to Buff Hpally casting, It's lousy)

[@mohammadalotaibi9197]

hpally been trash since s1 sl but i love it. well said words

[@aivemoussa6172]

@@mohammadalotaibi9197 Nah DF S2 was nice for Hpal

[@Believemenot]

Really appreciate the gameplay along with the tier list. Thanks Sterge!

[@bloodshot_games]

I like your layout/overlay for tierlisting.

[@KiRa-fy6uq]

I do too. Some game play to watch while he talks

[@UninformedProduction]

Pally idea: don't make blessing dispell immune but give them an immune effect if it gets dispelled PVP talent. BOP if dispelled gives target a 50% physical damage reduction for 6 seconds (tuning numbers these are just example. This provides skill expression for people playing against, BOP has 3 seconds left do you purge and give 6 second DR or just leave it) BOF if dispelled player who dispelled gets slowed 50% for 4 seconds BOS if dispelled heals 25% of the targets missing HP (if target is super low do you risk healing the target for dispelling, but if it's used on a high health target insta dispelled it) or if dispelled paladin who casted it becomes immune to CC for 2 seconds including breaking any CC on that paladin Three ideas that have some skill expression in them and you can talent into it when facing dispel comps

[@Earthfurry717]

Sac can't be dispel'd but I like the idea for Freedom/Bop

[@UninformedProduction]

@@Earthfurry717 ha whoops, forgot about that 🤦‍♂️ lol

[@HalobravoJJGaming]

I am looking forward to some guides for sure! Struggling on resto druid right now haven't really played retail in a long time so I have a lot to learn.

[@eikonic]

Fantastic video - packed with great insights. Thanks!

[@Darkghost1989]

Paladin & dispell: Maybe buffs should be ordered by ranks. When players dispell they will always dispell weaker buffs first. So team could manage usage better and counterplay would still be possible. It would also take a way the random character of dispell.

[@chedisLoL]

Nah they should just make dispel a chance rate based off of main stat. So like every 1500 main stat is 5% chance to dispel so 20,000 = 66.6% chance. Then make all dispels a 10 second cooldown.

[@boogiewg5141]

@@chedisLoL yes lets make dispell even more random...

[@Jonas.Sargent]

@@chedisLoLand the game even more complex to predict

[@pookapookyoyo3095]

@@chedisLoL yes then its like a casino, great idea!

[@Gamersden04]

Very well explained tier list👌🏻👏🏻

[@bloodshot_games]

One thing to note about Hpal that I haven't seen anyone mention is melee wings is now on a 1 minute cooldown, requires no holy power, and still procs daybreak. So rotating that with divine toll you can proc daybreaks pretty much whenever you need it. Last xpac needing the holy power really held melee wings back

[@trivial50]

Shaman seems to have gained a lot this expac. Stone Bulwark Totem, Gust of Wind, more instant healing (ancestors, 1 more riptide charge, hydrobubble thing).

[@kylewelsh_krossdesu7700]

I've got to agree. I'm struggling between focusing Prevoker and Disc. I want to play Disc, but it's so hard not to go with Prevoker because of how strong it is.

[@vaels5682]

Yep, i'm in the same boat. The biggest difference i think is how reliant disc is on hard casting to get off their atonement healing. Literally have to prep then plant and turret. Sometimes get to move a bit with penance, but still while casting otherwise your spread healing is trash

[@SampleMehard]

I play r shaman and i find myself casting alot. What am i missing? Whats the current rotation? Does shaman run cloud burst totem? Or healing stream still? Outside of riptide, totems and... the intant cast from shadow lands (cant recall name) i cast everything

[@willymobile]

Biggest thing I've noticed so far with Hpal is the baking in of daybreak into wings and toll making me feel like I've lost an entire cd. In dragonflight you would rotate almost constantly between toll, sac, and daybreak with their very low cds to react to damage and save wings for major cds. Now you basically only have toll to react to damage and wings feels like a massive overreaction to everything due to its extreme power while still filling the same role. Sacs cd is now also extremely committal. This leads to low ability to react quickly to things like we could before, a problem exacerbated by FOLs bizarrely shit healing and a whopping 50% modifier from beacon on it (why??) meaning a beacon swap is a gcd prereq to use the spell. Finally, we almost certainly will be having to play martyr which just makes you slightly more vulnerable on an already squish class. tl;dr give back daybreak or sac reee

[@Earthfurry717]

I felt that way in DF after the change but Divine Toll was kinda a bad cd, They basically removed Daybreak, and made Toll more reliable and buffed wings.

[@gabrieltaylor2078]

I haven't played since the first patch of shadowlands, but i still sometimes watch your streams videos bcuz i enjoy ur personality and see if maybe just maybe I want to try to play again.

[@jonathanwoodard4541]

Reiterate one more time how quick this video is gonna be lmao 😂 I do appreciate the effort you put in though. Thanks for the tier list!

[@Enp198]

I dont even heal arena and I still love the sterge and his "quick" videos

[@Nathan-hl4uq]

Monk main here. Fistweaving is not viable. Just swap to Windwalker, it will be 40 times easier to climb this season.

[@absterge]

yeah fistweaver is good into the things its always good into (pet classes)... everything else it seems uhh not the greatest haha

[@yesjoeri5298]

ehhh I am a monk main too i really want to make it work

[@carlosc9127]

Excellent video. But it was not a quick video🤣🤣🤣. Thank you. Cannot wait to play the expansion.

[@mihalislazaridis9304]

i love u for one reason u are comentary the tier list very good keep gooig !!!!

[@deedsyo]

Thanks for the video!

[@BeatRock253]

Great video, thanks

[@Saekes]

Wonder if a couple buffs on bop would be good. Like a small magic damage reduction, and a heal overtime when they have bop on them. For some purge protection

[@wierdpocket]

As a priest enjoyer, boy would I love some tips as to how to deal with pres this season. Their damage, mobility and throughput is overwhelming.

[@bearswithtaters7890]

thank you Carl.

[@Mymlan_]

Crying in resto druid main, I might pick up shaman again if druid is as trash as it sounds. Really good video however enjoyed it and it was easy to follow.

[@james1st832]

Do u think disc priest or pres evoker is better for2’s?

[@leetz0rR]

What is this yellow explosion that periodically happens around every healer in the video? Is it some pve trinket?

[@Aeztor.]

So what to do now if you're a rdruid main? I have tried pres but find it very difficult to maintain good positioning. Is it not worth pushing with resto for this season as of now?

[@absterge]

@@Aeztor. I would definitely still play druid , always play what you like. I’d suggest having a “backup” healer you enjoy or would like to try as well though

[@Aeztor.]

@@absterge Alright, thanks man. Have done some disc previously so I'll try that as well. Thanks!

[@Ilyafacepalm]

​@@abstergei have all the healers , a lot of backup

[@wmcarter6096]

If I wanted to learn and try to get decent at arena AND I wanted to learn a healer, what would be a good, easier healer to learn?

[@absterge]

@@wmcarter6096 disc priest and evoker are both very strong and somewhat simple to pick up, so I’d say those 2

[@wmcarter6096]

@@absterge Thanks

[@steven301]

sounds good for healers overall

[@Opposegaming]

Great video

[@Gamersden04]

After Absterge video Blizz buffed Holypal??

[@zugdigitalx]

Im loving 20 seconds of angel form on my holy priest lmao

[@reneflug4243]

38:10 hmmm I am thinking about a CDR on dispell but in the end it wont do the job I think, even if it would be like 2min CDR on dispell. Maybe just a second purge requirement to remove it or every purge reduces the duration by like 3 or 4sec.

[@juliankurtz9760]

What exactly do u mean with „if ppl collapse on them“? Great Video btw, thanks man!!

[@absterge]

@@juliankurtz9760 basically the whole team stands on top of (in range/los) of the priest and blasts them with CC/interrupts on penance

[@juliankurtz9760]

Ok i see. Big thanks for your quick response! :)

[@sulman36]

Quick video😂😂 nice one bro

[@icloas]

You give holy priest a lower score becayse it has no dmge reduction. But what about oracle? I have been playing it and i think it is going to be a beast in pvp. Dmge mitigation added, increase dmge (srsly burst is nit to be scoffed at), prayer of mending gets even better...

[@Diconius]

Hpal: "They're definitely viable.." until you get into a lobby vs a Prevoker, Resto Sham, Disc Priest, or Resto druid. You might stand a chance at out playing a MW or Hpriest. Climbing rating or reaching new all time high peak ratings etc will be quite literally impossible given the current state. I'd estimate most Hpals will peak 200-300 rating below their normal at BEST. I can't believe Hpal was bottom tier in DF and somehow got WORSE going into a new expansion. Just gonna level something else.

[@DiegoCaceresAE]

this is a quick video

[@voodoochild-gaming]

How would avenging crusader hpalla (melee) work for 2v2/3v3 in a melee cleave

[@absterge]

melee wings build is decent for hpal right now but I think pally is still a liability

[@Sebastian-mr1ik]

i miss legion mistweaver where u could run and cast your channel

[@vaels5682]

Man i don't want pres nerfed but it does feel insanely strong

[@wootenblatz]

Sterge, if 44 minutes is "quick" in your mind, you must have a happy woman in your life. Unless she has somewhere to be, I guess. Great video regardless!

[@100mangroper]

rdruid feels like playing with rez sickness

[@chuckbishop9630]

Quick video 44 minutes. Whee

[@cethseven]

rDruid will be fine. Because I wanna start healing in S1!

[@vaels5682]

Last time disc had strong shields they didn't let it last... we'll see

[@NeverLucky-RubberDucky]

yeah, as a holy paladin it just feels incomplete we need a higher proc rate or something it just doesnt feel good. i miss mop holy pal

[@dominicnolfo3425]

Hpal is broken i got a 200k flash of light crit it moved my teammates health 1% up

[@tylerfrost4110]

holy pal feels like dog in general. even in pve it's meh as hell

[@Earthfurry717]

@@dominicnolfo3425 My FoL actually heals more as ret lmao

[@danielfahimislam3166]

@@tylerfrost4110in Pve its great, sucks in pvp tho

[@Dr_Zeus]

Nah bro. You better stare into my eyes!

[@thepois88]

How about a holy priest guide gameplay?

[@thomasziereis330]

Good shit the only class i Leveled is a hpala 💀

[@Earthfurry717]

Play what you enjoy, not what's OP.

[@candymoon2876]

​@@Earthfurry717 it's the best decision to ruin your fun.

[@Earthfurry717]

@@candymoon2876 I have multiple paladins and only paladins, even when Hpala is bad I have fun. I've never understood people who swap mains depending on how OP it is for low skill pvp for the next 3 months.

[@Freediv_e]

Does hpal gonna stay C tier for full season?

[@Earthfurry717]

Don't see why it would be any higher without any changes unless they scale well with Conquest gear but I don't think getting a healing buff will make it much better, It's fundamentally just bad.

[@walentinowossi303]

those tier lists are uselss for the normal player. u can get 2k ATLEAST with whatever class you play. im MW and 2,2k solo shuffle blitz RBG and 2000 solo arena

[@jdstko1]

Hpal needs to have holy prism baseline and they need to add an AOE for allys to searng glare

[@KiRa-fy6uq]

Flamio hotman

[@danielfahimislam3166]

Pain

[@der1zarte145]

Bäm Lets Go

[@Daraka.]

If you could only play one, what would it be?

[@absterge]

I'd recommend dragon RN to anyone wanting to heal tbh. very fun, very simple, veryyyy OP. I like rsham, holy priest, and evoker atm.

[@Daraka.]

@@absterge I was leaning Priest/Evoker. I've played Priest before, but I think I'll try Evoker because it does look very fun. Thanks.

[@Schuylerbs]

Just let me go melee wings and rip damage. I'd love pally to be rewarded for going balls deep like that. If they're gonna make healers like hpal and fistweaver they need to make them do real impactful damage to help kill someone in a stun.

[@ramirezbrian86]

That's what 2x is for

[@sasquatchnunu506]

Now let's keep the same energy and talk about best healers for RBGs. Best single target heals/raid heals. I don't know about single target but for raid heals it's always has and will be shaman.

[@matsuba4230]

Quel est le heal le plus facile à jouer ?

[@absterge]

evoker / disc priest simple à prendre en main et très solide

[@matsuba4230]

@@absterge disco is good for comp double mele ? With ret ?

[@absterge]

@@matsuba4230 oui

[@minecraftminer59mineboymin38]

evoker so cringe

[@NoRealNameNo]

Where can I get your ui code

[@absterge]

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[@maagi1]

They are making enveloping mist dispellable again lol

[@DrMudPhD]

just some feedback, you intro'd the video 3 times in the first minute.... we clicked the video, and the title/thumbnail are solid. we know what you're gonna do/say in this video. just do it.

[@Pyrolitix]

So obviously we all know you are in the top 0.5% of healers for NA which is an insane feat. But here’s my question.. You see pika, xar, ven with insane subcounts. Why have you not made a switch up for a business decision more so than a gameplay decision? Clearly you’re good enough and understand the game In depth to the point of playing anything. What’s holding you back? And this is an honest genuine question. You have great game knowledge and I don’t see how this channel has 20kish subs compared to the rest.. you deserve so much more super underrated.. id love to hear as a smaller channel/streamer myself what your take on this pigeon hold seems to be. Much love bro.

[@absterge]

@@Pyrolitix KZbin growth is a lot harder than stream growth for me because the type of content is different and healer videos are not as entertaining for the masses. I also could admittedly put in more effort to grow the channel by posting more informative videos in conjunction with the standard arena gameplay & stream highlights. There are several factors, including not having the best mental health regarding my “position” and purpose in the WoW streaming and social media space

[@absterge]

💙

[@Pyrolitix]

@@absterge thanks for clearing it up. And the speedy response. We appreciate you and hope the best we’ll be watching!

[@Rynopb]

This is going to be a quick 45 minute video.

[@quademullins4767]

Quickest click all day

[@minecraftminer59mineboymin38]

everything is playable under 2200 rating

[@jonathanleyva9840]

If this is a quick video then I’m delusional

[@steadychill5775]

I want to heal but I find it so hard with targeting

[@nm1998mn]

Big tip, use keys 1-3 as arena 1-3 makes a world of difference

[@derkaman123123]

Scroll up for party 1 Scroll down for party 2 Middle mouse click for self

[@robs6404]

Or do mouseover healing. Not as bad as people say imo, I play around 2k with it.

[@rapalazzz]

@@derkaman123123Thats what ive been using for years but I use alt to self target my spells I dont see the need to target myself for healing

[@WendalsWorld]

Is this arena focused or an overall tier list? Looking for the best blitz healers

[@absterge]

I took BG blitz into account... I think MWmonk will be good, and holy priest will be the sleeper OP bg healer IMO

[@WendalsWorld]

@@absterge dope, thanks!

[@trevorruth3318]

@@abstergeholy priest is a crazy sleeper spec rn! So strong in bg’s and you’re the first person I’ve seen to not instantly throw it in F tier

[@abdullaalmuhairi118]

rework for holy pala will be the best

[@APriestMain]

Bro. I thought you said quick video lol

[@luizfelipemelo1098]

Holy paladin has no dmg, not a great healing, no way to keep his defensive buffs. Lame xpac for hpals

[@PackCentral]

Buff Hpala :(

[@jpibmg]

Bro Is try so hard to get people to play healer on shuffle

[@PeterTheDeleter]

Season starts next week how do you know whats going to be good if arenas arnt even out yet

[@zacharybryant3865]

1) I mean… you can get a feel for your class/role right now. Maybe not a perfect guess but pretty solid 2) content baby! Tier lists get views!!!

[@derkaman123123]

He’s been playing beta for months? He’s a top healer so he can see trends and has ran skirms. Unless there’s a HUGE nerf, the tier list will be pretty much the same

[@jesuscollazo4303]

He is all wrong shaman is S look at other streamers they put shaman. S and above tear S+

[@absterge]

gyazo.com/635d5abe79c473addf5ee1c623172f02 - lontar tier has rsham at A tier gyazo.com/a4775adc661e2d7ad9f3304fec953db5 - raiku tier #1 has shaman at A gyazo.com/4601edf29bef153843af4e7c44c2c947 - raiku tier #2 has shaman at A+ gyazo.com/67c4c805b001cd4b19098830f4590b61 - supatease tier #1 has shaman at A gyazo.com/4b33d03be54a704b0756ca61dc7abe3a - supatease tier #2 has shaman at S gyazo.com/73a7ff1fb9e4aeed18716da1a16f8675 - venruki tier has shaman at A Keep in mind typically S or S+ means something is the best. So... I ask you please respect my opinion and also not twist my words as I've clearly said in the video that shaman is very close to disc priest and can easily be #2 healer depending on the meta 😁🤍

[@burnsilog3226]

Resto Druid for life! dont care for any damn dragons.

[@diogotrindade982]

Quick😅

[@prdgmshft9107]

LOOK ME IN EYES AND CALL ME DADDY

[@danedilrlsbx]

The best healer tier lists! Thanks! And MW is heading towards another two years without damage, weak and receiving nerffs and more nerffs. Missing Legion 🥲