The Real Reason 1 Million People Will Travel To Mars!

[@Ascii89]

Colonizing Mars is not 'Interstellar' real estate. That would be colonizing Alpha Centauri A/B.

[@techpappee]

Mmmk It wasn't meant literally I'm sure.

[@U.K.N]

Or proxima cen b

[@mateeeoooesc]

I wish I could see this in my life time 🥲

[@U.K.N]

@@mateeeoooesc r u talking about mars colonization of Alpha Cen colonization?

[@mateeeoooesc]

@@U.K.N Anything past our solar system I guess, but even at my age I don’t think i’ll see anything other than mars colonization.

[@theknowledgeguy4948]

I just want to see the culture grow. Like Martians developing their own architecture, music, maybe even language over a period of 5-10 generations

[@Kradse]

maybe they will speak "Marsperanto" :o

[@IvanPlayStation4LiFe]

same language is humans going there

[@theknowledgeguy4948]

@@IvanPlayStation4LiFe language can evolve and change over time

[@smitprmr]

After 10 generations I think people there will evolve. They wont be able to visit Earth as they may experience gravity problem.

[@iamsick5204]

@@theknowledgeguy4948 yes languages evolve but it takes a very long time and from studies I've seen it actually takes longer the smaller the population is. Maybe if it's combined with another language but regardless they will probably keep their native tongue to keep in touch with who ever sent them.

[@pablo-cw1wg]

Living on Mars is like living on the Earth's worst hell hole by a factor of 100. Pure hell

[@svOcelot]

Interesting concept. And yes, I agree that some motivation will probably be needed to get folks to go live on Mars. Unfortunately, it seems that Mars is likely to be even more hostile than Antarctica. Nothing grows, it's even colder, & you can't even breath. Maybe those who want to harvest water/ice, or import enough solar panels to provide electricity, or perhaps setup an oxygen station would want to start entrepreneurial enterprises. And workers will always be useful, to build & repair things. It seems that living long periods in lower gravity could well affect the body pretty drastically, so folks either won't want to stay very long, or perhaps they'll just stay permanently. But I suspect they'll have to be paid pretty well to make the trip, despite the appeal of adventure. We live on a sailing catamaran (currently in the Philippines) & we find plenty of adventure right here on Earth.

[@KRYMauL]

@Pickles I know fish need gravity to grow, but perhaps this is a case where using bio reactors to grow plants and animals becomes a viable solution.

[@shawnsereal]

As we see in the show The Expanse, After enough people move to Mars, they will declare themselves free from Earth and become self sufficient. Then things will get weird.

[@michaellerner3764]

Also, ala The Expanse, almost every semi inhabitable planet, moon or asteroid was occupied. Ceres, Phoebe, Eros etc.

[@KRYMauL]

@@michaellerner3764 Yep, but that’s going to take 200 years.

[@garyc1384]

Grow up

[@tommyweiss3886]

First off, please make more content like this, the comments alone are fascinating and the idea that mars is unviable as a colonization target is both untrue and an argument that gets brought up over and over. The reality is that Antarctica is being colonized, slowly. The reason that its not being colonized faster is that a more comfortable living situation is only a day away by plane. Its a different story when comfortable living is six dangerous months away on a cramped ship. This is very akin to the initial colonization of the Americas (sans the genocide, slavery, and general rudeness). Unlike Antarctica Mars is a remote frontier. Far from being a disadvantage this is probably its greatest strength. Earth powers can only exert so much force on such a distant place. The restrictions on travel back to safety require that those who embrace this challenge become better in every way in order to survive and thrive. It will require greater manufacturing capabilities up front since imports will be wildly expensive and rare (due to the nature of the transfer windows and raw energy of transport). That means that the growth rate will need to be exponential in order to support scaled up scientific activity. Food, energy, replacement parts, and various services and support activities will be required once you hit a population of 100 or more. So each individual will be precious to a Martian colony since they are so difficult to replace. Each Martian child will be an investment in the colonies immediate future. The fragile nature of habitats will mean that violence will be far more costly. which raises peoples willingness to arrive at peaceful solutions to disputes. If basic industry such as agriculture can be established then imports from earth can focus on needed specialty items like medicine and computer chips. Based on historical examples, the successful colonies should have a wildly beneficial effect on society here on earth. Its like a release valve for the best of humanity to go and be challenged in a far off place so that they stop making trouble here. And indeed only the best and the bravest should go since not all the colonies will thrive or even survive. Its VERY much a high risk high reward way to live but people are at their best under such conditions.

[@LolLol-nn8td]

JEEZ amazing speech and all, very interesting to read

[@rodneygoodner219]

In other words, a great place to send our liberals!

[@creech444]

It's going to be interesting to see how long before a Mars colony would declare independence. In the beginning companies and government are going to want to exert a lot of control to make sure they get their ROI. I suppose a U.S. colony would have U.S. laws, but at what point do Martian's say "hey guys, we need to make our own rules." I would suppose the first settlers probably won't be homesteaders as much as miners. An acre of random land on Mars is pretty useless (what can you really do with it?) but if a family could say stake a claim to a chunk of land with a water or precious metal deposit then you could have a little family minng operation. It's complicated too where in the U.S. if your homestead failed you could move, that's going to be much harder to do on Mars, and people that are born and raised on Mars, acclimated to the planet, won't be able to return to Earth. So would you have an underclass of Martians doing menial jobs (cleaning the Martian Sewers, just because they don't have a good source of income,) I would suspect too you'd have to be careful bout the income inequality, how much would a geologist get paid, vs. a barista at the first Martian Starbucks? it's going to be expensive to live on Mars. What happens when after a generation or two when you have a "slacker?" someone that isn't particularly smart or talented, isn't really motivated? Can you imagine the pressure on that first generation, when EVERYONE's parents are PHDs and scientists, and you're just making average grades in school. There's going to have to be some sort of safety net, I mean you can't really have homeless people on Mars. Maybe a guaranteed income, with public housing? In the end I"m not sure any of our Earth models are going to fit the unique situation on Mars, but it will be interesting to see how it develops. My guess is that within a few generation Mar's cutlure and society will be wildly difference than anything on Earth.

[@fnamelname9077]

I doubt people will ever want to permanently inhabit a planet with such low gravity. Mars is for robots. If humans ever do significant stays/work on the surface, it will be for movies, tourism, and brief contract work. "Martians" won't be citizens of Mars. They will be temporary visitors. Citizens of Earth, and employees of Earth corporations whose owners will represent the only real control or use of Mars.

[@dirgemcelvoy2583]

So true about Earth models, they just wouldn't work but as you say it will be an interesting time for those who step up to the challenge.

[@theolivepatch7481]

Musk has some plans of his own. For starters law making is counter intuitive and removing an irrelevant law is too difficult in America. The change would be half as many votes needed to make a can remove it in mars. And much like the school he’s made here around how he teaches his kids would be more pick and choose instead of linear. I personally work on “education gameification” where learning is more intuitive and I think technologies like that will be utilized in a more futuristic Mars society

[@joshuabanner3675]

If we are going to apply earthly history to a hypothetical Mars, political independence is likely to be a result of rivalry’s on Earth (Latin American independence can be put down to Spain getting conquered by France, American independence also to France etc.) Applying this to space suggests that Space independence would happen in the aftermath of a conflict on earth, not an Earth vs. Space thing.

[@XiangYu94]

It will probably come after a catastrophe / industrial human rights situation. It'll result from time delay in communications, and an overreliance on earth-bound HQ's vs. on-the-ground Martian managers. It will also be spurred on by the inevitable arrival of cultural colonists who start carving out a "martian culture", incorporating memes etc. that only daily folks will get.

[@AlexFoster2291]

Antarctica has all the water you would need, is vastly easier to get to and from, and is generally far more hospitable than Mars, yet we don't see vast numbers of people setting up homesteads on Antarctica. The home base would be much less complicated than would be required on Mars, yet Antarctica only has a couple thousand people.

[@LyricVideos4U]

Nobody can claim Antartica. UNLESS they are there for scientific research. As of what I know, only governement from other countries and scientists can live in Antartica. I dont know though I could be wrong.

[@missbstuurman]

Because we are not allowed to do that in Antarctica.

[@AlexFoster2291]

@@missbstuurman How many people have been marched off of Antarctica and handcuffs because they started building a settlement?

[@AlexFoster2291]

@@LyricVideos4U no one has tried

[@missbstuurman]

@@AlexFoster2291 Hahaha i like you🤣🤣. But still who wants to live in Antarctica 🤣it's not as interesting as Mars.

[@dusanradin5868]

How to even be part of that? I myself would gladly go and live there,permanently.Also,that Space Law applies ONLY to countries,not civilians.

[@richardrigling4906]

In an interview, many years ago, Isaac Asimov's was asked why his stories never contemplated O'Neal cylinders and other space habitats. His immediate response was "Because I was a planetary chauvenist." As Neil deGrasse Tyson notes, after more than a century of visiting and exploring, why are there no permanent residents in Antarctica? At least in Antarctica, you have breathable air, water and at most you're only a week or 2 from civilization. So, colonizing Mars seems problematic at best. At .01 bar, there is no atmosphere, the soil is poisonous, the temperature is beyond frigid and the radiation is lethal. Oh, we also have no clue on the long term effects of living permanently in 1/3 g gravity. Hopeless? Absolutely not. We simply have to confront our planetary chauvanism. We use the Moon and Mars and the asteroids for raw materials and then learn to build our own worlds in O'Neal cylinders or similar structures. These are necessarily closed ecologies to be viable, but so are Mars colonies. Superheavy and Starship are critical first step technology to even contemplate any further ventures Let's figure out how to live off Earth before we start taking on planetary colonies. There's a lot to learn

[@tommyweiss3886]

I agree that O'Neal cylinders are the end all be all of colonization. However, unless you build around a rich asteroid or Jovian moon your going to have material issues. O'Neal cylinders require either heavy logistics or a very carful balance of restrictions and recycling. Mars is a wonderful opportunity because it has all of the raw elements required for both life and a growing civilization. This includes Nitrogen and precious phosphorus (the limiting factor of life). A moon colony or moon based O'Neal cylinder for example will still have to import all of its Nitrogen, Carbon, and Phosphorous from earth. Which will always be expensive no matter how successful starship is. I.E. the moon is utterly incapable of generating biomass alone. I've honestly never understood the reasoning behind the idea of cislunar colonization. We need to move outward boldly into the night.

[@alanlight7740]

There are political reasons why Antarctica has not been settled.

[@richardrigling4906]

@@tommyweiss3886 Understood, however the tech needed to survive on Mars is almost identical to that needed on the Moon. Trading perchlorate dust for lunar dust is mostly an even exchange as is 1/3 g vs. 1/6g. But 3 days vs 2 years heavily favors Cic lunar space. Finally Mars has no organically, it has carbon, nitrogen etc, but nothing capable of sustaining agriculture so that is another even exchange. We’ll eventually play seriously on Mars, but there are a LOT of hurdles to leap past first. Think of it as 1 iteration every 2 years versus constant iteration.

[@tommyweiss3886]

@@richardrigling4906 Thanks for replying, Its always good to hear opinions from like minded folk. I agree, on everything except the perchlorate issue. Perchlorate is actually not nearly as big of an issue as moon dust. The reason is that its a chemical issue. Which We need to keep away from people but not a huge issue to industry. Its actually a decent source of O2. Moon dust is a hazard to equipment and people due to its physical properties (Just imagine that sharp dust around a vehicle). Not saying that we cant deal with it. But oof, Id rather be an engineer on Mars than the moon.

[@silver3660]

What could possibly go wrong. Says the man while a portal to hell opens up on Mars.

[@jcoghill2]

People have no idea the reality of living in space. They think it's going to be like Star Wars when the reality is that you will be cooped up in a metal tube for the duration of the mission with a bunch of smelly humans. That alone will require more will power than a human can generate.

[@leonardgibney2997]

Yes let's change living on our wonderful planet supplying us with air to breath water to drink and food to eat with a freezing airless desert. Great idea!

[@michaellerner3764]

Theoretically this is fun to talk about. But getting into a Starship and living on that thing for 8 months of travel time, then living in it over a period of years, with all kinds of unknowns, and complete lack of most things we take for granted is not going to be easy.

[@KRYMauL]

Starship I is for astronauts, the type of ship that will actually carry us to Mars will probably be some kind of Aldrin Cycler or the thing they used in the Martian.

[@alexbaty1814]

Elon says he can get there in 4 months but I get your point :)

[@filonin2]

Same as what it has always cost on new frontiers; free if you develop it.

[@KRYMauL]

I’m fairly certain that SpaceX is going to start selling tickets to people that includes a house, but that will likely take a while.

[@ThisIsSpaceJim]

Great video! The viability of the Outer Space Treaty going forward is going to be a really tricky issue to navigate; hopefully international cooperation can bring about a system that makes permanent settlement viable, treats citizens from all parts of Earth equitably, and protects scientific endeavour on Mars and elsewhere.

[@ploperdung]

Yo space jim what's up

[@ThisIsSpaceJim]

@@ploperdung Yo! Just the usual - watching space videos 😅

[@nerdwatch1017]

Hey I love your videos bro!! Just wondering if you’d ever do videos covering the Amazon space race show! For all mankind show!! And talk about the things different from irl and the show!! And how much we would truly benefit if our timeline took just a couple of the roads they took in the show

[@loriwilliams9705]

No matter what grunts will always be needed!

[@MrMBSonic]

Mars? Sounds Like a "once in a Livetime" Challenge, Just Bring me there 😁👍

[@LemonsAndSalt69]

Owning land? Maybe someday. But at this point, we don't even know if human beings can survive on the planet for even a few months, or survive the year long trip there, or the year long trip back. There is a lot of wishful thinking regarding Mars, and a lot of deluded thinking.

[@marcozolo3536]

Exactly how can you own land you can't even safely be on

[@gustavthemagician]

@@marcozolo3536 America is founded on just that. The owners are kept in reservations.

[@DOSFS]

@@gustavthemagician Literally every civilization ever, stronger keep all. US at least has some paybacks, reparation, special right and stuff (we can argue all day long on what is enough or not) while many others just don't because either all indigenous are long dead or total assimilate already.

[@KRYMauL]

We know that someone who is in space for an extended period, longest is 355 days by Mark Vande Hei in 2021 aboard the ISS, of time looses on average a couple of minutes due to time dilation and will likely die of cancer. So, we’re going to need some magnetic shielding to keep the astronauts alive.

[@danilorainone406]

first step land a team of 5 there to poke around sample materials,lnventory materials needed, local if possible, and transportable building mats

[@alanlight7740]

The great majority of people in Antarctica are the support crews. They far outnumber researchers. The Antarctic Treaty prohibits any activities that might make settlement in Antarctica worthwhile, so a big part of the reason for a lack of settlements there is political. Although the various national programs restrict how long personnel can stay in Antarctica at one stretch, many personnel return year after year for ten years or more. McMurdo Sound is the name of the body of water. The settlement is called McMurdo Station - and New Zealand's Scott Base is just two miles away, both on Ross Island. Summer population at McMurdo tops out at about 1250 personnel. Although in theory the Antarctic Treaty and the Outer Space Treaty have similar provisions, in practice the prohibition of mining and other commercial activity in Antarctica makes it impossible to get a start to human settlements there. Although there is nothing in law that would prevent individuals from renouncing their citizenship and establishing a settlement there, it's just not practicable to get started without significant inputs from countries that have signed the treaty - many of which have their own laws restricting what their citizens can do in Antarctica. There are far fewer restrictions on outer space, however - merely a requirement that none of the signatory nations can conduct _national_ operations in space. This would mean that any colony would pretty much have to be self-governing right from the beginning. The Homesteading Act was a rather late addition to American law, only coming about after the United States had significant settlements all the way from the Atlantic to the Pacific oceans. In other words, the Homesteading Act was just for infill. The early settlements involved huge land grants to wealthy proprietors who could then do whatever was necessary to entice colonists to go and settle the land. This happened in different ways in different colonies. One that I read a little about was the early settlement of Georgia, where colonists received land grants, whether purchased or given, that included both a small city plot in Savannah and a larger country plot outside the city. I imagine that settlement on Mars would require something similar, with most people living in a few large settlements with those who want them having access to larger plots outside the city center, with certain extractive industries requiring very large plots of land indeed - all purchased from the company settling an area to raise funds for governance and large scale projects to benefit everyone.

[@altair1405]

what happens if we have a population of 1k+ people on mars and those people want independence?

[@GrigoriZhukov]

Easy, read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

[@waspsandwich6548]

Since you can't own land on Mars, and since the un says that nations can't hold land on Mars, they can't get independence

[@rogeliobenitez7716]

Then those thousand+ people are crazy and suicidal as fuck. Any mars colonies in it's early days will heavily depend on earth for everything since mars won't be able to build any of there own stuff early on.

[@jebes909090]

Orbital bombardment should quiet them down

[@timwaywell]

Long term habitability of Mars will depend on many things. The time it takes to get to Mars would have to be drastically reduced by a propulsion system actively accelerating the vessel and slowing it down . Low gravity on Mars might mean those born there could never return to Earths higher gravity and the high solar radiation would probably mean underground living for everyone. What would be the effect on crops of this higher radiation?

[@bronzebuilder2115]

The best thing about earth is that you can take off your space suit at any time and still survive for more than 2 minutes

[@generalsirc2615]

The issue I see with enticing people with land on mars is this; if said land doesn’t have any structures on it then obviously the owners can’t live there. For the owners to live on their Martian land they would have to buy a habitat of some sort which would be very expensive. Thus unless the entity handing out the land also forks out the money to build a habitat and a way to travel around said land to the new land owner, it’s not realistic. In America in the 1800s people could live in their undeveloped land and build a cabin. And then they could walk to town or ride a horse. This doesn’t work on mars obviously

[@thomastolan1477]

The treaty says no Nation can claim celestrial bodies, it says nothing about individuals, not claiming association with a particular nation. Basically, If you can get there and can defend it you can own it.

[@johnmcnulty4425]

Imagine being inside of a machine or habitat or space suit for the rest of your life or for your entire life if you're born there. No thank you. Never to see a flock of birds or experience a walk in a forest. No beaches or lazy rivers to float down. Probably no pets or other animals too..

[@U.K.N]

tsr : only 54,000 square kms r livable land me : decent , thats about 5 times as big as my country

[@ultramarinus2478]

At the start of the endevour, the more valuable property on Mars will be mining rights. The LAND will have a high value, when either A) BIG glassy copulas, with magnetic shields to let sun in and radiation keep out, will become economicaly aviable to the martians, (because that would allow movement in "outdoor" environment witouth suits and make farming (and construction) MUCH easier, or B) Terraforming the Mars. None of us will see the Mars blue and green, but if Mars surface becomes livable (and living), logistics of population transfer from Earth to Mars would become immediatley easier.

[@joshuaandrewvives9676]

I just want a small piece of land of 200 acres so I can grow potatoes And raise Martian cattle

[@Andreas-gh6is]

As of yet there is no economic case for settling Mars. There's nothing you can do on Mars that you can't do better and cheaper on Earth. Except exploring Mars (which has limited economic value for the Earthlings funding the colony). Including surving a dinosaur killer asteroid. You could build shelters on earth that can survive that kind of impact for a fraction of the cost it would take to create a truly selfsustaining Mars colony.

[@masterblaster7484]

Casually ignores how all land on Mars is uninhabitable.

[@michaelslack4937]

If they're serious about Mars, there going to need to address the issue of junking up the pristine space around the planet. Golden opportunity (I would think) to enforce early on some sort of a clutter free Martian space initiative. Got the idea cuz it hit me after watching countless related vid's that no one addresses this issue. With current tech were gonna be depositing space junk of some sort in this endeavor can't be helped I fear...yet nobody talks about this. We humans are messy to be sure...we'll need to get a handle on this if were trying to move forward. Imho sisnce were striving to be a space faring civilization then I think we need to also consider being good cosmic stewards as well. Just a thought. Thank you everyone for your time.

[@matthewviramontes3131]

Everything depends on what happens with the Moon. First we're gonna put a space station in orbit around the Moon and use that to go back and forth to the Moon's surface, and then perhaps they'll start making bases down there. If that all goes well, then basically we'll just replicate that process on Mars. However, Mars is literally a thousand times further out than the Moon is, so that in and of itself will be a bit problematic.

[@Charison22]

I'd honestly say they'd have to give me over 200 acres and the building materials needed.

[@Mike-iv3hy]

If some one buys land in Antarctica it could be a good investment , as oil could be found there DML

[@jonkragness8177]

Perhaps field of dreams model as acres would be basically useless.... if you build they will come. ???? Empty buildings with atmosphere???? Spaces in tunnels???? People will come to occupy their new home and fill it with machines, food, etc..

[@robertidonotsharemyfullnam496]

you forgot liam neeson among the first people on mars.. he has a specific set of skills.

[@MMTLP-JON]

1 ac fine, as long as it comes with its own dome and Oxygen...lol.

[@nickl5658]

oxygen is easy to get. Just break down silicon dioxide into silicon and oxygen. No problem . Big problem is there is very little hydrogen, nitrogen and the martian soil is contaminated with perchlorates. No water to drink and no food can be grown.

[@mikeciappetta300]

Well, It doesn't really matter how much land one would receive because one can't grow food on it. Now if Mars had an existing population and a economy already present, then maybe I'd go...

[@96ace96]

The colonization of America worked because people could actually... you know... LIVE in America. You could go to a place, you could build a house, you could set up a farm, and you could have that farm pass down in your family. That's was the American dream as I understand it. There was land there, "unsettled" land, free from the tyranny and powers of Europe. That was why so many people emigrated there. To escape from prosecution. To escape a life that was also a trap. It was a third option. Mars... isn't that. It can't ever be that. Owning a piece of Mars is utterly useless unless you also have industrial robots, pressurized housing, power production, funtional life support systems... it goes on and on. Mars is not a place a *person* can settle. A single person does not have the power to go there, to live there, or to utilize its resources. You need the abilities of a large group of people. You need power. An inhuman amount of power. You need the power of a civilization. You need the power of high technology. Which means money, LOTS AND LOTS of money, just to be able to live there. Nobody in their right mind would spend that much money to go and live on Mars if they have it, a sum like that would be enough to live more than luxuriously back on Earth, in a place that won't constantly try to kill you. No. We can't settle Mars like we 'settled' America. The very notion is absurd to me. If we're going to get a million people to Mars someone is going to have to build that city. They're going to have to pay for it out of pocket, then create the possiblity to extract resources from the planet. THEN they are going to have to pay people to come settle and work on there. If that someone is a nation back on Earth or Elon Musk or some other billionare isn't all that relevant. But if we want to become an interplanetary civilization the start-up capital needed will be insane. This doesn't mean it won't happen, of course. I very much believe someone will do something like this. Crowdfunding is also an option. I would be very interested in tossing a few thousand dollars towards *someone else* settling down on Mars. I want people to live on Mars. Other people want people to live on Mars. Is it in any way practical or economical to live on Mars? Hell no. And it probably won't be for at least a century or more. The settlement will have to become self-sufficent before it starts to make more money than it costs, and that is not a small ask. It will take even longer to pay back all the billions (or trillions) of dollars spent making that settlement. Possibly it will never be done. We'd probably have to build it with the expectation of it never being done becasue building a city on Mars as a business move is a fancy way of committing financial suicide. Despite all that I do believe it will still be done. We humans are a crazy bunch, and at some point having people living there will only become ridiculously expensive rather than prohibitively expensive. These first settlements on the Moon and Mars will not be for mining or resource extraction. They will not exist to make money. They will try to anyway, but more as a token gesture and to prove it is possible. No. These settlements will be humanity's gateway to forever. They will be the frontier of mankind's dreams.

[@ryggamortis7594]

To convince me to move there id have to he promised at least 30 acre’s of land and thered have to be an economy and a good job reserved for me.

[@nitneuqenryb490]

as the video started he called it interstellar realistate wich is inacurate because interstellar means between stars and maars orbits the same star as earth

[@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands]

You forgot the towns Argentina has build on the Antarctica, permanent towns even...

[@planetdisco4821]

One decent sized crater over an aquifer and the materials to build a dome over it would do me…

[@jonathanbrown2407]

I’m willing to move for 0. As, most likely, I’ll be dead or too old before there is an option to own land on Mars.

[@Morpholaf]

Luckily no one has yet consciously tried to terraform Antarctica =)

[@Richard-lg2lz]

Mars is right beside the asteroid belt with all the resources nefded to build Mars and to bring back to earth most of the resources nefded for the future of Earth

[@winland.c.a]

0:17 definitely earth. (shrubs)

[@simond4195]

All I would want is 5 Acres.

[@josephhartwell6214]

100,000 out if 5,000,000, million capable people would be more plausible than 1,000,000 million out of 5,000,000

[@ejciicollins3200]

🤣 30 Acres with a guarantee of water, oxygen, hydroponics gardens and backup supplies 🤔 large subterranean habitats, small Nuclear-powered generator and solar panel system as backup, don't forget the 3D printer and electric vehicle 🤣

[@williamburroughs9686]

So, you are saying that no one can own land until there is a local government with a charter that can use that authority? Fair enough, I am sure that this law will change once a colony is established and continues to grow.

[@GeoFry3]

Easy enough, map the planet into m^2 coordinates. First people put in large land claim on the planet. After that it becomes a resale issue. We have plenty of experience with that.

[@kalliste23]

This is about as connected to phenomenal reality as making a video speculating on what you could do with the profits from a Unicorn farm.

[@duxoakende]

Horribly untrue.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

Exactly!

[@gun10ck]

My student loans and creditors can’t find me on Mars. That’s all I need.

[@garrisong]

Be funny if someone else comes along and says sorry earthlings, mars is ours.

[@KeyhaneBishomar]

I can tell you Antarctica is x10 times more habitable than the equator of Mars.

[@bronzebuilder2115]

We should colonize Antarctica first then the Sahara desert

[@KeyhaneBishomar]

@@bronzebuilder2115 hmm ok 👍 , but hottest place on earth is Lut desert, not Sahara

[@josephhartwell6214]

There a lot more to think about than just hey yeah let's send all these people to Mars we know everything works but are the people and functions going to work

[@janrozema7650]

Intresting thought, the amount of km2 isn't so much of an issue when you don't talk about infrastructure... Think railroad towns. Without air and food as an given, i find it really hard to have an plan that incluses everything needed

[@KRYMauL]

I was under the impression that this was Musk’s idea. Basically start with researchers, then get entrepreneurs (like developers), then get the general population. I wouldn’t be surprised if SpaceX became a real estate company as that’s basically what they already do.

[@GrigoriZhukov]

20,000 hectars please. Going raise rye and guine pig ranch.

[@jebes909090]

The only thing you'll raise on mars is corpses

[@krm398]

well I'm 70 so first reincarnation to a colony already there saves me travel expenses,(chuckle) and then my idea? as a gamer I play as a miner/explorer on every one. so if that thought stays with me, explore until I find some good ores then give me all rights to them and say....10 square miles around my claim.

[@MacTrom1]

Not interstellar unless we go to alpha centauri. It’s interplanetary to go to mars.

[@jebes909090]

Lands cheap, getting theres expensive

[@tech5298]

“Two weeks!”

[@ShadowPuppet3001]

great video, vote for me to go to mars 😀 😍 👍, I want to go...

[@bruceattway5769]

no bad

[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

You mean this deed to my retirement lot on mars is worthless? Thats what happened to my Florida retirement lot!

[@PoleTooke]

@0:14 Isn't "interstellar" basically "inter-star?" Mars is in our solar system. I think you mean interplanetary

[@Edmap1]

Mars colony? Are you serious? This will never, ever happen for many reasons, first and foremost cost. Please remember, people like Elon Musk don't foot the bill for these missions, they act as sub-contractors. Going to Mars is total science-fiction, will NEVER happen. Another popular sci-fi story of our day, that we're going back to the Moon. Har, Hardy, Har, Har! You've got to be quite blind to believe this. Remember, during the Apollo program, NASA was getting 4% of the federal budget, not so much these days.

[@chillenchilla4]

running out of water ?lol same here ! no food left ?yeaaaa.... need fuel ? ummm gonna have to wait for that . Have a farmers hat and a oxygen suit hope that battery doesn't need changing.I think it might be the same amount of work and then some

[@mikegonsalves11]

FYI you are talking about interplanetary not interstellar professor

[@richardswaby6339]

7 mins in. I say that a treaty signed by the US of A is as good as a wink from a conman. From US perspective a treaty is to be respected until there is a possibility to make money by breaking it. Who's to judge? US of A considers themselves to be the highest judge in the world.

[@Rocket_Man]

Too much Martian soil, but whatchu talkin bout wit this Venusian land deeds and mineral rights🧐

[@Unknown-sw9pu]

If we successfully colonize Mars, would we reach the type I civilization on the Kardashev Scale?

[@mikeupton5406]

Hey, I named a asteroid Bob and I am going to start a business on it. "HONEST MIKE'S USED SPACECRAFT PARTS" ALL I gotta do is remember where it is.....

[@Underledge]

Treaties made by a select group of countries pertaining to future events will prove to be meaningless.

[@proteslapower6754]

I have mentioned to Elon that the infrastructure of Tesla has to be increased by starting a Tesla Texas rental. Considering Texas existing Dealership laws in effect.This will allow more people the opportunity to drive a Tesla for a week or a month allowing them to be the next on the list for a lease or purchase, if so inclined. Also small businesses have to come before the multiple fleet sales by corporations, this allows more distribution of product amongst the population again offering more free word of mouth advertising. So orders under 10 come before orders over 10 or 100 this prevents someone like Herts rental to get all their Tesla's before the starter businesses do. Until production of the Tesla Semi can reach more than 4000 trucks a week I think it is important to keep the fleet sales at 100 trucks or less. If they can Mass produce more than that I would be one of the first to help them with their commercial fleet sales but I also believe in being able to help the smaller businesses get there trucks at the same time and not have to wait in behind for larger orders. Let's shoot for the Moon and Mars, then we will end up amongst the Stars!!

[@nickdsp8089]

The real question is: Why someone is willing to leave behind the blue sky and sea, the green forests and all the amazing nature (plants, animals, rivers, hills, mountains all full of life) and migrate to a dead planet with hostile for living environment and that not only for a few days or months but for years if not for life (sentenced for life). WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! . . . . . . .P.S.Statistically speaking there should be 1mil lunatics among 7bil people

[@glennerickson5701]

I think I would want 1 square kilometer of prime real estate ;)

[@Thingsyourollup]

More power to them, but i'll stay right here on Earth thank you lol.

[@2011Matz]

I'll make it easy on everyone, go live in central Australia for a year. At least you will be able to breath. Not in any of the few towns. I mean out in the red dust. You won't last long, unless you love the sounds in your own head.

[@kipthearcticfox5124]

I will own the entirety of Olympus mons so that I can make people pay top dollar see it

[@josephhartwell6214]

So that's the biggest hurdle I'm seeing now is when you going to start creating those millions of jobs to pick the right people to go

[@Gordonjames58]

The major problem you have on Mars, unlike US, is that people have to rely on others for all basic needs. They cannot survive without all the basic that we take for granted like..air, water,food etc. The only way will be via a community where all their ingenuity must be used just to survive. Maybe, once a large civilisation is established, then certain wealthy individuals MIGHT be able to go it alone, but that would probably be after many centuries of working in colony.

[@claville12345]

One thousand Acres, humans are not native to Mars. It would be really hard to adapt to the environment.

[@nickl5658]

Yeah... mars is so dry, concrete would be mined for water, as concrete is 15-20% water by mass.

[@recycle320]

Yes I was thinking about selling plots on the moon. Yes how is that done?

[@concernednewfie]

Don't you mean the cost of lava tubes?

[@vincentcroft1473]

I've already own 50,000 acres of land on Mars North pole, I bought it from the king of Mars himself.👽👽👻😜😜😜😜😜😜👍

[@jds1275]

You don't need an international body to do it. All you need is a colony to create a government and a military to defend it, then declare Mars theirs, and they do not recognize Earths many nations claims or laws. Honestly, that would be the best bet. Divide the whole planet into states and follow the US model of a federal republic. Then create a homestead act via that government. I mean seriously it's bad enough separating the government from its people by a couple of thousand miles. Just imagine how repressive the earth governments would be knowing that the colonists are so far away that it takes 20 minutes just for a one way signal and couldn't do anything about any dictates coming from Earth other than a revolution that would end with a new government over Mars that doesn't recognize earths laws but after a revolution they also hate earth and the people from earth. Might as well set it up the right way from the beginning, without all the bloodshed.

[@moya-tv-]

All the acres...

[@dirtyminerapparel]

I can think of a lot of people that should go to Mars. It’s not a racist comment but it’s a fact that is colorless and actually a mindset issue that endangers the people of earth and children.

[@VeritasPraevalebit]

Elon Musk's ultimate goal for SpaceX is to contribute to the construction of a fully self-sustained Mars colony. This colony will serve as a backup for humanity if a global catastrophe kills off each and every human on earth. This is an unrealistic proposition. Consider the immense network of industrial activities that is required to produce the equipment needed for survival outside of our atmosphere. Even if it were possible (albeit to enormous costs) to import the required systems from earth it will eventually be necessary to maintain and renew them without relying on deliveries from earth. I contend that this will be a losing battle and that the Mars economy will end up in bankruptcy.

[@PoleTooke]

Did Russia ever agree to the Treaty On Principles Governing The Activities of States in the Exploration And Use of Outer Space, Including The Moon And Other Celestial Bodies after the Soviet Union fell?

[@deesmith6363]

Lmao! A million people? Wait til the first manned mission if you want to see what the cost of sending a single person is. It'll be feasible the first Tuesday after never.

[@scottbandeen7670]

640 acres

[@rodneygoodner219]

A dead planet that you couldn't go outside on without a special suit, and reliant on a constant, uninterrupted supply of provisions from earth just to stay alive. Where do I sign up?

[@nathanshearer30]

Sweet! Elon Jesus! I'm going!

[@Rotaletro]

It is very unlikely that we will colonize Mars ever outside scientific missions. It is not economical. Other than scientific exploration (even that is questionable) Mars does not have anything that cannot be acquired elsewhere in the solar system at much lower cost. The reason for that is Mars's gravity well. Strong gravity wells, such as present on any planet of our Solar system, have 2 important effects that make colonizing any planet in our solar system unappealing (save for Mercury maybe): 1. Cost of navigating the gravity well. This includes both ascending from and descending into. 2. Useful material concentration. First point increases the cost of transpiration of any goods or people by a factor of x100s at least, if not by a x1000s as compared to rotating space station in combination with mining of near earth asteroids (and moon it will be probably on order of dozens.) In fact I believe that the long run, vast majority of extracted resources in space will never reach Earth's surface, or any other planet's surface, but utilized to build mega structures, to grow food, to live and create new things in those mega structures, in space itself. Another way to say it is that the final frontier is not other planets or moons or asteroids in our solar system or any other star systems but the space itself. The freedom from the shackles of gravity is the ultimate playground of the creators. I still think that we will prefer to live with in a star systems simply because it is hard to beat a star as source of energy, at least as long as we are Type 1 or maybe Type 2 civilization on Kardashev scale. Once we in the late Type 2 stages or starting to transition into Type 3 then we might start to prefer colonization of interstellar space, outside of any star systems. Second point is the result of the gravity well has on abundance of heavier elements in the crust of the planet. The heavier the element is the more likely it will migrate to center of the planet. Asteroids do no have this problem and as result elements like Iron Nickel and metals of Platinum group have much higher concentration levels in an average asteroid. For example in an S class asteroid the concentration of Platinum and Gold is measured on order of 1 ppm while in Earth's crust it is measured on order of 0.004 ppm (I would assume that Mars's crust would contain higher concentration but even if my assumption is true it still will not be even close to that of an asteroid. I could not find actual numbers for Mars.) That is a factor of 250, and that is from S class asteroid, if you take M class the concentration will go much higher. The reason I picked S as an example is to be more realistic as those asteroids are more common than M class. Also, Gold and Platinum will not be as important as iron and nickel, at least not initially, since we will need iron and nickel to develop our space infrastructure. Once we have infrastructure, then we will start digging for precious metals. Now gravity itself can be looked as a resource, since we need it to lead healthy lives, at least in near future, and that is why I mentioned rotating space station, since we can simulate gravity with rotating space stations (this why we will need a lot of iron and nickel, to build those.) Again if we include the cost of traversing the gravity well of any one person it is cheaper to live in a rotating space station than on the surface of Mars, and that includes the cost of constructing said space station since the cost of construction of living spaces on Mars will be in the same order of magnitude. Also, in the long run, our need for living under oppression of gravity will diminish as some of us adapt to micro/zero gravity. In general here is how I see our future, if we do not kill ourselves first. On scale of hundreds of years we will exploit resources on the Moon, and possibly have a permanent colony with relatively large population, while building out our space infrastructure and improving our ability to mine asteroids. After some point asteroids will become our primary source of resources and we possibly will abandon the Moon, at least until we learn how to do deep core mining effectively and it will become cheaper than mining asteroids, (Deep core mining will allow us to access mineral concentrations within our Moon, and moons of other planets, that are comparable if not higher that of an asteroids. But use of this tech most likely will only become economical once we are close to depleting asteroid belt and I don't even dare to guess how long that will take us.) At the same time we will experience speciation in the direction of at least one vector: adaption to low/zero gravity. This will result in in another human species that have adapted to low and/or zero gravity, and we might even call them Agravitas Sapiens. This evolution process would probably normally take thousands, if not tens of thousands of years, but I speculate that we will embrace either guided evolution (via genetic manipulation), which will shorten it to hundreds of years, or cyborganize ourselves which also accelerates the evolution, albeit in a completely new way. Most likely we will do different combinations of both resulting in multiple new species instead of just one new one. I am not 100% sure about guided evolution and cyborganizing, but I am quite sure that if we become space fairing then one way or another we will have species split of from us that will be adapted to live in zero and/or low gravity environment. These new species will very likely be the reason for a major conflict(s) mostly instigated by conservative Homo Sapiens, and chances are these conflicts will be next big hurdle to overcome for us after the Global Warming. Now, on scale of thousands and tens of thousands of years, the resources will become significantly more accessible in space than on surface of Earth, as result majority of our descendants (i use descendants hereafter deliberately, since majority of them will not be like us, if any at all) will live in space in space stations or space ships that will be akin to O'Neal Cylenders where gravity bound live on inner surface where gravity is simulated, and Agravitas Sapians live on the central axis where there is micro or zero gravity, but almost no one one will live on the planets other than Earth, but maybe on some moons (Titan is a really good candidate for colonization, much better than even our moon, if proximity to Earth is not a factor and on the time scales we are talking about that will likely not be a factor.) Again the reason for not living on planets is the cost of moving people and goods into and out of the gravity wells of those planets, as I stated before the final frontier is the Space itself, and not object that exist in it. At some point our descendants will run out of asteroids in the asteroid belt and Trojan asteroid to mine. That will force them to switch to mining moons and to exploit Kuiper belt objects. At this point our civilization will be well into Type 1 and start transitioning into Type 2. During this era our descendants will return to mining the Moon, but on the scale so stupendous that if we assume that they became very efficient at utilizing resources then they will literally leave nothing of the Moon itself. The only thing that might stop them is the historical significance the Moon will have by that point, but even that might not be enough, since they probably will be able to create a nearly perfect simulation of it in something that is like Matrioshka Brain magastructure, and thus preserve Moon's historical value using that simulation. One might wonder what are all of those resources used for, well construction of that Matrioshka Brain is one example. Another example would be interstellar ships. Those will have to be humongous. Also, all of the infrastructure supporting our descendants and their endeavors. Eventually, our descendants will start consuming the planets themselves, with Mercury most likely being the first to be exploited, since it is extremely mineral rich. If we assume that our descendants still primarily occupy inner solar system, then Mars will be next to be exploited after Mercury is devoured, due to Mars's relatively low gravity, but it will be on such a scale that it will result if not in complete obliteration then in something that is very similar to it, and this will be end of existence of Mars as we know it right now. So at no point in the future do I see us or our descendants colonizing Mars, other than some small scientific station(s). And just to summarize I will repeat myself for the third time: The final frontier is not stars or planets or moons or whatever else that might be floating through the space, but the space itself, space that is free from shackles of gravity (that includes microgravity.) If I was not convincing enough, go play Kerbal Space Program with Realism Overhul Mod installed, and all will be made clear. Praise to KSP: the Holy simulator of our Existence !!! Mike drop. I'm out.