The best game China won't let you play.

[@thespiffingbrit]

*Thanks for Watching and Supporting the legacy of Total War Arena!* The fact this game was abandoned by 3 different publishers is kind of insane but ultimately it was china limiting video game play time that finished it off for good! Who knows maybe with enough support we can convince CA to bring it back!

[@Shad0wSnip3d]

We love you spiff

[@bonkerz7997]

support bringing back our favorite ground breaking games from the pits of hell they were born in!

[@mattparker9726]

I am on a quest to bug Spiff to tell me if Yorkshire Tea Gold is better than the red box, which tastes of moldy gym socks, because BY GOD, I'm a cheap bastard and am not paying 50 dollars for a box of tea. Unless it has ACTUAL gold in. Coffee is demonstrably better anyway ALL HAIL THE BEAN!

[@tmos3013]

yes please it was the first time total war really had a good shot on the multiplayer aspects, personally my favorite part in every strategy game and i wouldnt have any problems paying 20-30 $ for this amazing experience

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎

[@devinkline8352]

I vote for Spiff to "aquire" this game. I would gladly support a SpiffCo acquisition and full revival

[@thespiffingbrit]

If we raise enough money I will buy this game and bring it back

[@Mustafa-dz7yb]

@@thespiffingbrit petition to permanently bring tw arena back

[@TheWaslijn]

@@thespiffingbrit where do we don't toward this goal?

[@misterpanini8169]

@@thespiffingbrit kickstarter or something?

[@basednameofsmartness3974]

@@thespiffingbrit if you start a donation campaign for this I will happily give you my money. I miss this game so much

[@EvoLozGaming]

Was a pleasure to help you embark upon this quest! And so pleased we managed to get it working for some final battles. So long total war arena and thanks for the memories!

[@droobs]

Pin this comment !

[@radekhomola7658]

Pin this comment!

[@thetrav2100]

SUB TO THIS MAN HIS CONTENT IS GREAT XD

[@ooofffbobsquarepants7349]

Thanks for all the behind the scene work u did just to make the game work for spiff

[@nice-boat]

not even a normal person

[@Shad0wSnip3d]

I imagine spiff saying “If this doesn’t work, I guess I’m just going to code the whole game myself.”

[@mapu1]

I mean if you have the game data, you just have to bypass the launchers DRM, and most eee..., say plundering sites out there do it on daily basis, so you just gotta get hold of one of these groups.

[@bookedsam]

*these comments were made in china*

[@supremecai5857]

@@mapu1 Yea there'll 10000% be some cracks/rips of this game. Definitely not gonna be 'the last time it's played' or 'never played again' lmao not the first time and not the last that devs abandon their games

[@geminiiskull]

Spiff should work as the right hand man for Hod Towerd.

[@burp2019]

@@mapu1 that's not the issue, the problems he had and the ai match needing to tell a server to start sound like the game is online-only

[@TakoyakiDonuts]

I have massive respect for people who keep old flash multiplayer games like Club Penguin and Pixie Hollow alive. I played those as a kid and love replaying them.

[@Patterrz]

I can't believe the developers have totally deleted all traces of a game they made 4 years ago already that's insane

[@ordinarybantha2756]

Yes China is good at making... things disappear.

[@Bloodlyshiva]

Wouldn't be the first time.

[@Phazer102]

Not really, it was probably a stipulation in the contract when it was taken over for Chinese market.

[@Blackwatch8800]

I mean if game had taken off for real I guess they would’ve kept various builds around even after selling it to China.

[@verihimthered2418]

It's been the standard since 2000

[@czalon]

spiff has done many things, but reviving a full game might be one of his biggest achievements

[@EEEEEEEE]

E‎

[@bettertelevision968]

A

[@cthatcher11482]

SPORTS

[@jacobverlee6891]

It's in the game

[@oreseur513]

is only game.

[@belgianstar]

I would love it if the devs just released a “host-it-yourself” version of dying games like this.

[@Daxmacloi]

I agree. They could release some server files to create your own server, or maybe release a peer to peer version of the game

[@j.1668]

IMO all games should release a private server version when shutting down. So many online and MMO games just no longer accessible at all. Seems mad to me.

[@Seth9809]

I've played a ton of games that no longer have servers as P2P.

[@thetruegoldenknight]

If only most devs had that kind of "end of life", there would be no such thing as "Dead games". Ah, but reality loves to suck all the fun out of everything.

[@nezu_cc]

Keep in mind it's now "owned by china" in a way. Self hosting is a great thing but if your goal is to destroy something your not gonna make it easier for people to keep it alive

[@dS0_]

Some of my best memories of Total War were in this game. Its also one of the first Total wars I've ever played. I was upset by their decision to terminate it - also had no idea the Chinese revived it. Thanks for the nostalgia

[@JonathanGehweiler]

Things gamers do for what we love.

[@thespiffingbrit]

Why must they depend on servers! And even then LET ME RUN MY OWN SERVERS!!!

[@JonathanGehweiler]

I have so many old pc games that run into this same problem. You just want to relive a few minutes of nostalgia or show a friend who missed it.

[@JonathanGehweiler]

I am going to date myself but Freelancer was one I loved and that I spent tons of time patching and tinkering with

[@Nightenstaff]

@@thespiffingbrit Worked for City of Heroes... just sayin' if someone hasn't figured it out today, with the right motivation, it could certainly happen tomorrow.

[@resileaf9501]

@@thespiffingbrit Psh. As if a videogame company would let players control what happens in an online game.

[@Sef_Era]

You know, losing server access doesn’t *have* to destroy a community game. C&C still works fine on its mod run servers… For if you had, say, a hypothetically bootlegged version of the game that you could copy out to a few dozen friends, so you could play against eachother. No official server to play on also means no official server to shout at you for having duped accounts… Just saying.

[@thatguybrody4819]

hmmmm.

[@thefool8224]

there is no C&C that requires servers though, they can all be played offline single player wait, you dont mean THAT one? that abomination

[@thatguybrody4819]

@@thefool8224 stupid question what's C&C

[@Indian0Lore]

Use to play Rose Online on a private server.

[@CHRF-55457]

TF2 goes brrr

[@1mostaussiebruce390]

The amount of effort he went through to show us this game is commendable.

[@jonathanlebon9705]

It's not that hard...us veterans of the SUNTZU Clan all got in the very day it launched in China. Even managed to buy premium using a Chinese dude we could trust. Would like the game to see a comeback to EU servers though...ping is too much for competitive play atm.

[@yuviaro3511]

"for offline games, that's pretty simple" Earlier multiplayer games could be played without servers while some newer singleplayer games can't be played at all.

[@herlastborn]

If this was an anime, Spiff would've fell asleep as the servers were shutting down and would have woken up as a general going on various arcs of conquest until he unified the world.

[@KingfisherMC]

That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Spiffing Brit

[@micienz]

That time Spiff reincarnated as exploited game character

[@iceneko9170]

@@micienz "My life is totally balanced and there are no exploits whatsoever"

[@dragonkingunity]

Overlord Spiff

[@greenrocket23]

This is unironically a great idea for a Isekai anime.

[@rebelhero423]

I loved Total War: Arena so much. I spent so many nights grinding out games as Leonidas, just absolutely locking down an area gandalf style "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"

[@guillermoelnino]

i had no idea this game existed

[@VerdeMorte]

*"YOU SHALL NOT P!SS!!!"*

[@alexey_chekhovich]

Loved those stationary Greeks as Caesar.

[@hmvollbanane1259]

I am so missing bf2142. I loved the game back in the day and a couple of years ago I found a fan made revival with running servers, healthy population and everything, just for good old ea ordering a cease and desist on a community run game they themselves had decided to no longer provide any services for half a decade before

[@DataLeak06]

Copyright law is super cool isn’t it

[@McFwoupson]

Damn I didn't know that got shut down. I remember playing that as well. Have they also done thus with battlefield 2 and all the mods ppl have made for it?

[@QQ-yi6yg]

Pulling strafing runs on enemy mechs while flying with a joystick was some of the most fun I've had in an FPS

[@Maniacman2030]

EA is greedy, corrupt and hates fun. Who knew? The only thing they care about is making the next sportsball game and milking money out of idiots willing to pay for their ridiculous overpriced dlc and gambling nonsense.

[@clericofchaos1]

It's always sad when a game dies but it seems like this game died before it even had a real chance at life. That's a shame because it did look like fun.

[@jonahblack2000]

It was really fun

[@nothing-of5yc]

I never heard of this game until now why did they never gave this game a chance.

[@aoki6332]

@@nothing-of5yc They did they tried multiple time but people where more interested into playing war thunders that why its endup on Chinese server

[@Deez.N1]

but didnt it have like a 94% positive game review?

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@Deez.N1 That's from the small number of people who played it. It wasn't exactly huge.

[@kristiandevil]

I wish all multiplayer games had a peer to peer mode. That way, even if it was difficult, you could get a group of people together and play them.

[@anon_y_mousse]

This is one of the reasons I haven't played any modern games. Newest game I play is either Doom 3 or maybe Psychonauts, depending on which came out first and if I can even remember the release dates of everything. Original Unreal and UT still work because you can run your own server and the community is great.

[@Snootch]

Eh, P2P is the worst. It solely depends on both of you having a pristine connection otherwise the latency can cause issues and show you movements that are not happening until it's too late.

[@anon_y_mousse]

@@Snootch That depends on the game and how it's implemented, and would affect the performance regardless of going through a server or not.

[@nonchip]

this! and for companies to just release the stuff they actively refuse to continue selling!

[@kristiandevil]

@@Snootch true, but at least you don't have to rely on the game company keeping servers up forever. Plus, if there's not too many players needed, you could get a bunch of friends together and have a lan party like in the old days, and latency wouldn't be a problem.

[@dreadavis9751]

When spiff was playing till server shutdown, he was magically reincarnated into the games world

[@usagifang]

Did he became a lich?

[@SaURoN-lh1dl]

@@usagifang No, an "Intern" trader

[@microsoul669]

@@usagifang And he gained a very powerful spell "the goal of all life is exploits"

[@softonsoftie4581]

@@SaURoN-lh1dl with the trader game system, which is perfectly balanced of course with no exploits whatsoever

[@nero2355]

Ngl I would read a manhua that has a premise of 'you have a system that's only as strong as your exploit skill'

[@kieranstravels]

It’s such a shame this game isn’t available at all anymore, unuronically, this game looks extremely fun.

[@rancorusia]

some of the most fun ive had in any total war game, but CA being CA decided it wasnt profitable enough

[@quickdraw6893]

A requirement for 20 players per game might've been a killer, that demands a far too big playerbase for a niche like TW, let alone this 'niche within a niche' style of MOBA gameplay. Most TW players never even touch multiplayer from what I've seen (especially if you look at any TW game that has "play 1 multiplayer game" as an achievement, and how low the % of that is).

[@kieranstravels]

@@quickdraw6893 Yeah, fair point

[@Niraol]

it was so much fun when you crushed the opposition

[@tragile9108]

It was super fun. Best online total war and one of the best in general.

[@Drachnon]

I loved Total War: Arena. I used to team up with a friend where he would go artillery and I would set up an ambush for any units trying to get to him.

[@DaniboyBR2]

And the team would lose because you had two units to focus on one lol infinite molotov Boudicca was the best unit. Lock enemies in combat, flank them, set them on fire, rinse, repeat.

[@alexdavidson7498]

I should try that in a tank game…

[@KairahVTVods]

I know what this feeling was like, being online in the last hours, seeing that disconnection sign, for me it was City of Heroes, but thankfully thanks to super dedicated fans I can relive and appreciate that game today. I can only hope you'll get your game back too Spiff.

[@Jay_Johnson]

The same thing happened for me when I was 10 with Lego Universe. Online games rarely last.

[@EvilGav]

Nice to hear. It was one of my friends that accidentally started up what became the largest unofficial server after the 2019 leak - originally set up for a few hundred people from the LAN community in the UK, it got out of hand really quickly.

[@j.1668]

NCSoft were mad to shut down a still-profitable game imo. I remember it was really sudden, I think the news at the time was they were repurposing the CoH servers as GW2 servers? The whole thing of CoH not being sold to the fans afterwards seems mad to me. The effort to bring it back is phenomenal. I go back and play it every few months. The nostalgia factor is huge. Even if I never learned how to be effective in that game. ;) I suck at it but I have fun, and that to me is really good :)

[@benjaminstreet9160]

@@j.1668 the author Anne Mc Cafferty offered a few million and they wouldn't accept. I will never play an nc soft game because of this

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

oh gosh, city of heroes was a fun gem

[@wcdk200]

Total war: Arena is or was one off the best multiplayer games I have played. Hope someone some how make a new one.

[@travisharvey1092]

Evolve, if anyone remembers that game, it was a really good game that ended up being destroyed due to its own marketing team, me and the boys played it on its final day back in 2018

[@Garresh1]

One of Evolve's biggest issues was that it was branded as an action game when it was more of a stealth game. You spent the majority of your gameplay either evading or trying to track the monster.

[@nisqhog2881]

God, this game was so good. I will forever miss getting teamkilled by artillery because they thought elephants were OP, and they shouldn't even exist on their own team :,) I wish somebody would make a community server for this game

[@RabbiHerschel]

>teamkilling for unit abuse unfathomably based

[@stevetheterminator]

There was a brief window in time where I had good enough internet to play this game and it made me fall in love with the concept and even today it is #1 on my list of games I wished had a pro-league. Watching 10 people coordinate and communicate at a high level would be absolutely amazing and so hype seeing them pull off some crazy strategy.

[@perest4438]

I remember when this game was launching and people on twitch were streaming it. I remember thinking, "wow this is the future of TW games. This is awesome." Unfortunately I was wrong.

[@adrianbundy3249]

It was fun, I played the beta I think for such a long time, then it went down, and it was so under the radar, I haven't been able to play it once since. Shrug.

[@arris9447]

Never understood what really happened with it. It was fun, had a lot of potential. And just poof, gone.

[@Reinhard_Erlik]

I just re discovered this game, it is very unfortunate that it got shut down.

[@adrianbundy3249]

@@Reinhard_Erlik Before it even got rolling too, smh.... Unsure if the non beta version ever even came out for US audiences tbh.

[@Reinhard_Erlik]

@@adrianbundy3249 still, that game was a fantastic concept, wouldve been a hit if it was to stay around longer.

[@vascobsousa]

I remember playing this game when they made it available for some players in early alpha. My computer couldn't run it very well at the time and kept lagging brutally, but I loved it just like any other Total War. Thanks for bringing back those memories Spiff

[@Adierit]

I actually remember when this game first came out, I was a closed tester for it. It was a shame when they pulled the plug on it so quick I thought it had a lot of potential.

[@therexbellator]

As a TW player it never grabbed my attention enough to want to install and play it. The whole free-2-play thing plus limited units made it seem very threadbare and designed to be monetized for people who've never played a TW game. Then they pulled the plug on it and I definitely lost all interest. However, watching this now makes me regret I didn't give it more of a chance. This honestly looks fun and interesting. Now I'm hoping Spiffing gets enough people interested that maybe CA will bring it back..... maybe? CA plz.

[@Adierit]

@@therexbellator funnily enough this was actually published by the same people that make world of tanks and such, and for closed beta i had to run it off the wargaming launcher. the units aren't actually too limited, at least they had an entire tech tree you could research through when i played with multiple tiers of troops. they also had everything like skirmishers, archers, infantry, cavalry, artillery, and their variants like shock, light, etc

[@Blackwatch8800]

@@Adierit I think they meant “limited in terms of numbers”. I think that game’s concept a bit odd, Desktop TW players are used to larger army builds and complete control, while closest online game type I can come up with: MOBA are used to only control one entity.

[@georgebulbakwa9017]

Somewhere in the quantum split of a multiverse, Spiff's consciousness is trapped in the game as the connection should have terminated.

[@ChaosLierLen]

Holy fuck, Spiff would make a perfect isekai protagonist.

[@MythicRanger2401]

Was so cool being one of the interns on this one, and definitely not salty at all that the match I played against you didn't make the cut Anyways, another great vid as always. I'll be sure to make the next one as well!

[@thespiffingbrit]

It was a joy to play with you

[@alantremonti1381]

@@thespiffingbrit wholesome.

[@InsectSpray]

It's such a shame it's gone :( It seriously was the best moba style rts. I loved playing it.

[@fredwin]

That was my issue with it. I hated how there were moba style lanes and chokes, doesn't really feel strategically deep or rewarding to have the same battle in the same lane repeatedly.

[@Yee20234]

Same. I hated the moba changes. It made the game so much more casual and the increased lenght that came with it was just unneccessary

[@eveel1402]

Spiff have the file, why not build private server ?

[@Niraol]

it was a bit weird but tons of fun

[@chadm2343]

@@fredwin Same battle in the same lane? But there was so many maps, and only Thermopylae had "lane" style

[@Aviiven]

I remember getting into the closed beta for this game, it was fun.

[@thespiffingbrit]

It was! The grind was insane at times especially after the wargaming takeover but as just an MP game it was a really good concept

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

@@thespiffingbrit wargaming Hmmmmmm grind hmmmm military games hmmmmm gaijin?

[@rsoldat4951]

@@plazmaguy13yago9 both wargayming and gayjin have a tanks game that you can grind in lol

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

@@rsoldat4951 as a warthunder play can confirm

[@Blitzzar]

it was so much fun! And no one really knew how to play the game, including myself, which gave me the opportunity to ninja the victory, by hiding units in forest areas and when all of the opposing teams units were fighting my team to a stalemate, i ran out of the trees and captured their base. The sheer panic in the enemy team, when they found out i had 3 units capturing the only point necessary to win the game, was such a pleasure to experience. I miss those times.

[@wolff_04]

“Because no one likes getting charged in the rear, it really upsets you” -Spiff, 2022 Only some Spiff, only some get upset ;)

[@pjludda4323]

True...Disgusting, but true...

[@thomasneal9291]

Nobody asked you.

[@bruceluiz]

There can be more than one aim at somebody's behind. Yet only one option was your first thought. Touché.

[@pjludda4323]

@@bruceluiz Have you ever heard of a double entendre, good sir? I could mean a bullet, I could mean something else completely disgusting, we may never know...But if you're first thought is what I'm thinking your first thought was, then you are well to do so...

[@soulwynd]

There is an universe where the servers never closed, the ai are now real people and spiff is stuck in the game as an overlord.

[@cancerino666]

I got the reference xD

[@samvanderstaak7296]

I was looking for this comment

[@jeremycorbin2178]

Rest in Peace Nosgoth, a game that tried to shake up a formula and did so pretty well. Innovation is hard apparently, and they decided shutting it down was batter than trying to properly balance it. It's playerbase wasn't dead or anything either, they just up and pulled the plug a third into it's lifecycle

[@Cptn8993]

This and Evolve, RIP

[@tero2444]

I love how in a game with factions like Rome, Germanic Tribes, Carthage they squeezed in China, that has absolutely no historic footing with the rest just to make them overpowered.

[@c6q3a24]

That's why China was kept out of Europe during this era, too OP. Who brings a gun to a sword fight?

[@editorrbr2107]

And what strength they did have was turned inward on themselves in repeated internal wars, civil wars, factional bloodbaths and a few thousand years of human wave attacks.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

@@editorrbr2107 Don't forget the cannibalism.

[@raigreen517]

@@editorrbr2107 you are describing every civilization in history lol

[@drafezard7315]

If I recall correctly the original concept was to have factions from all geographic areas and across different time periods, so not weird at all.

[@joshnanyabiz6668]

Damn, that low key gave me chills at the end, the speech about the last ever game of total war arena hit me deep and IDK why lol

[@thetruegoldenknight]

Because it's very relatable with how trendy of a business practice it is nowadays to just permanently kill games.

[@hi14993]

One of my most favorite moments in gaming came from TW:Arena. I was playing as Scipio Afrikaans and was going 3 heavy cavalry. Everyone snapped up the most forward deployment positions and I had to deal with a rear position. I immediately surged forward trying to scout out the field and take a watchtower on the hill in the center of the map. I saw the flag raising through the fog of war and I was so very close to reaching it. I dived in with everything not even knowing what was on the hill. To my absolute delight, I ran over 5 units of archers and only stopped and turned back because one of the two archer commanders that were trying to grab the hill early had brought a heavy spear unit as well. Thankfully, they were heavy and I just ran away from them. I got so much salt from that because in the first 2 minutes I alone had just knocked out 2 commanders on my own. I went into the replay to try to see what they saw. From their perspective, the flag didn't even raise all the way. To their eyes, they just saw a massive horde of cavalry YOLO charging through the fog of war.

[@Scooty_Scooty]

Cool story, got another?

[@SheoGotSomeCheese]

Did you stream it? I would actually pay to see that!

[@efulmer8675]

*WHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVE*

[@SheoGotSomeCheese]

​@@efulmer8675 COMING DOWN THEY TURNED THE TIDE!

[@BoarhideGaming]

Barrelling down badly positioned archers was the single most satisfying thing I’ve ever done in a video game. I played Alexander and his companion cavalry, mainly, and it synergized so well with my buddy’s heavy Roman infantry.

[@the_steev]

I have seen other Games been revived by their own Community. Need for Speed World was on of them (now known as soapbox race world). Honestly if enough People come together we could revive it with custom Servers like it has been done with other Games before.

[@umbreon_plays64owo]

because the code for the game has been archived by several people online. . .it makes me wonder if it would be possible to make an unlocked version of the game that used custom/private servers

[@DSKM92]

Yes it does just no one is doing it because the cost for owning a server that is not lagging for online multiplayer is super high. No one will wanna do that if it was not profitable.

[@WelcomeBub]

@@DSKM92 If only they could figure how to get the serverside stuff into a distributable server application so players can create their own dedicated servers.

[@JAY-gl5xd]

I'm about 5 minutes in and this feels like the scene in a heist movie when they explain how the job was pulled off. Spiff, you SOB, I'm in.

[@james_t_huntley33]

You were utterly right

[@0ctothorp]

It's important to remember that a game being terminated like this is completely preventable in every single case, and a vast majority of multiplayer games that have been killed by "ending support" or whatever was just the publisher intentionally destroying a game.

[@benoithudson7235]

It costs actual money to run the servers and keep them patched. You could run indefinitely in a museum on a private network, but when you connect to the internet it's mayhem.

[@doommaker4000]

@@benoithudson7235 psst. Release the server code. Or at least binaries

[@btchiaintkidding7837]

T_T

[@TheCat_3]

@@benoithudson7235 right so just allow players to run their own servers, completely preventable

[@MinorLG]

@@doommaker4000 at least for R6V 1/2 the game included private server software, and the server browser recognized the private servers.

[@nickjamesholt]

I loved this game so much. Breaks my heart we lost it. This and firefly, I caught in the beginning. Looking back, I really felt a part of something great happening. I was floored when it got plucked. Bring. It. Back. Spiff!

[@szupko]

For Firefly, the TV show, i'm assuming, I rather enjoyed the graphic novels.

[@voyomaypl1608]

It was a very fun game. Even though 90% of players were potatoes and attacked with a blob of all 3 of their units. Edit Wait, respawn and experience mechanic? Why tf they are deleting this game?! LET ME INNNNNN

[@thespiffingbrit]

Ahhh the joy of team mates in multiplayer games :D

[@EEEEEEEE]

‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E‎

[@olivergurtner6372]

I played the new version of the game a few times, because i liked the original game. It was very good and i liked the new mechanics. I hope they releas it someday again in europe, but that sadly will never happen.

[@biscuit715]

Honestly respawn makes the game worse imo. I really liked how you had what you had and you had to make the risk/reward of keeping your men alive

[@voyomaypl1608]

@@biscuit715 i kind of agree. But at the same time the end of matches was kind of boring and onesided.

[@kyledewitt4941]

As a gamer true to heart, I feel for Spiff on this. All of us have been there at some point. Attempting to get some type of old out-dated game to run on modern technologies. Its a growing pain all true gamers must experience at some point. Command and Conquer Renegade or even Fallout 3 counts these days. Stepping outside your natural language barrier? That is... 10/10

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

I can relate, trying to get Machines: Wired for War to run on newer systems has required a lot of work.

[@devinraber5208]

Getting the original Prototype to run on anything with more than 4 processors is a hassle as well. I'm really starting to feel old now when I want to play my childhood games

[@b23beatz]

I’d love to be able to play fallout again now I’m sad😭 tried everything

[@jayd8091]

It's Battle For Middle Earth II for me. I have the original discs but when I install, the games auto-lose after 5 minutes because it thinks I'm cheating and I have no way around this. Have my code and everything. So that's grim.

[@TheGary108]

I really do wish that Steam would eventually let people make fan updates for games they want to run on newer computers and Steam staff can look over it and see if it’s possible to integrate into the game and add it to the Store. I still got a couple of older Pc games, can’t really run them without a whole a lot of work and fan patches/modifications. Why not let the people experienced in that send it in so all you really need to do is to download it from Steam?

[@zedekiahfries1003]

I think this was one of my favorite videos from you Spiff, endlessly entertaining, British, nostalgic and heartfelt, with a call to action at the end. Well done sir.

[@paulgran7815]

Damn! Your huge passion for this game makes me sad that it's discontinued!

[@johnp.2267]

Gods, I miss Driver. I loved jumping the barriers, stopping just below the crest of a hill, and weaving around other cars, then watching the game glitch out massively as the police cars crashed into everything, including each other.

[@whskyhamr]

I'm reminded of VERY fond memories playing RS: Vegas for hours and hours at a time with friends on T-hunt all the time. It was always so much fun. I miss those days, and hate to see the game fall to obscurity.

[@thomasgoldschmidt8611]

Still playing RS: Vegas 2 Terrorist Hunt to this day ;) Awesome gay, shame they are not so known anymore.

[@revu34]

"shoot him in the head!"

[@agalaster957]

RIP TWA. It was truly great. Thanks for the vid! The feeling when your cavalry charges into the back of some poor archers and annihilates them in the blink of an eye was one of the best video game experiences I ever had.

[@berreth3]

Absolutely a fun game that I loved playing, considering the recent quality of total war games it's a shame such a concept didn't blow up

[@bubchudlar5629]

This game was amazing. The three unit "squads" made it all about tactics and it just felt so much more intense and intimate than the mainline total wars. I hope this video will be just the start of renewed interest in it and that the community can figure out a way to bring it back in some way

[@justthetip7136]

My friends and I loved this game before it started getting taken down.

[@hi14993]

really what killed most people's experience of it was the aggressive monetization. Whole unit upgrades were blocked off as extra paid content to be bought by micro transaction only.

[@EvelynNdenial]

"no one will ever play this game ever again" online pirates - you underestimate my power!

[@thespiffingbrit]

I will pay someone to find a way to get it to run

[@Bardghost_Isu]

@@thespiffingbrit Short of the server code having been leaked or someone re-engineering it, I am highly doubtful.

[@thespiffingbrit]

@@Bardghost_Isu I mean after talking to CA the OG Devs not even they had the files anymore so yup looking unlikely

[@MrMurphdog96]

@@thespiffingbrit thats unfortunate! looks awesome, never seen it before this vid

[@sortius_]

I loved this game. Playing as Boudica with war dogs, hiding in a forest, waiting for someone's soldiers to start a run toward nearby units; or holding the line with your phalanx as attacking legionaries' morale just tanks. Oh, I'd so play the pants off this game if it came back.

[@ashtonwinder9757]

I feel like an interesting idea would be for someone to create a server base that hosted archived games such as this. It could be an ad-based or subscription-based experience where you can browse games that are gone today through a launcher that allows you to connect to other players. Obviously there would be abundant red tape with copyrights and everything, but hey, one can dream.

[@trauma50disaster1]

And there could be a monthly calendar listing the game of the day to focus people into that game to have higher numbers.

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

I really don’t understand why such a good and well loved game was abandoned by multiple publishers! Like why???

[@David-ys4ud]

Didn't make e ough money. On the US side player counts dropped after elephants

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

@@David-ys4ud How though??? The amount of people I hear say they miss this game, and how much they loved this game, and the fact that it was their highest rated games. How did it not make money???

[@bigload6]

@@kgapaneseschoolgirlb cause people didn't spam micro transac

[@kgapaneseschoolgirlb]

@@bigload6 Seriously? That’s literally all what people do nowadays. CoD, FIFA, Fortnite, you name it make bank from that. Plus, people totally would’ve paid to play the game too

[@someguy3763]

@@kgapaneseschoolgirlb Doesn’t really matter why, it’s just what happens when you let your games entirely rely on servers and launchers that prevent you from playing the game ever again once they go belly up. This is a sad trend that needs to end. And “It’s just a multiplayer game” should no longer be an excuse, you’re willfully investing in a product that is one day going to stop functioning within your lifetime. It’s like buying a copy of a movie that will self destruct in 10 years and no one will be able to watch it again. It’s fraud.

[@JohnArktor]

A vote at the european parliament to outright ban the "server requirement" for multiplayer games, is what we need. We need to petition for it. Hard. Games used to be playable on a Local area network with no internet whatsoever. Let us BRING THIS BACK NOW!

[@Helperbot-2000]

@Stormi Storm woah really?

[@titaniumvulpes]

@@Helperbot-2000 Lol no, not really, if that were the case Europeans wouldn't be able to play MMOs like WoW, FFXIV, or ESO, or even have stuff like a Switch Online membership or Xbox Game Pass. That person's blowing absolute smoke.

[@SilverAura]

Local area network games often broke matchmaking services because matchmaking services rely on high demand to keep match variety and player skill ranges as wide as possible. Towards the beginning of matchmaking services, you could tell developers were trying to make it work - but when enough people create alternative experiences that it's impossible to quick-match into a vanilla game nobody was allowed to change the rules of, quick-match success was abysmal. You'd often find yourself either unable to find a match, find a match that's still modified as a games last resort to connecting you, or just repeatedly reconnect you to one of a small handful of "valid" matches.

[@luisheinle7071]

yes. They should start with story modes that need server connection to function. But local network support for every multiplayer game would be great too.

[@thedeutschblitz6900]

oh yikes, giving the goverment more power to tell people what they HAVE to do, nnnnoooo thank you dawg

[@oddiethefox5832]

Man I remember seeing this game, getting super hyped, then disappointed when I found out the whole project was dropped

[@theshadynorwegian6036]

I appreciate the increased weight on morale, flanks and charges. It really makes it feel like a more skill based game than base total war games

[@brydonthunder]

Attila and Medieval 2 combat have the very same combat mechanics + a bit more.

[@IAm18PercentCarbon]

That's basically RTW in a nutshell. Even peasants were pretty powerful if you could get them on someone's flank when they weren't happy.

[@sehfisch2350]

For a long time I've had the idea that maybe there should be laws that force developers who want to stop supporting a game and shut down it's multiplayer servers, to update the game so that players can play singleplayer gamemodes without needing a serverconnection for DRM reasons and make software available that would allow players to host their own servers both online and local. (or maybe even just dump the server code on some website somewhere. I'm sure the programmers among us could probably whip up something from that)

[@nyahnyahson523]

among us

[@lackinggravitas6751]

If it's something that they got money from users for, then they definitely should be required to publicly release everything necessary to play a game when they decide to stop supporting it.

[@AceFuzzLord]

DRM is why I never play triple AAA games from the past 8 years. It's also why I'll always wait for a no DRM patch, similar to no CD patches

[@WelcomeBub]

Well it's kinda hard to release proprietary stuff. Server side stuff is also probably highly coupled with hardware or whatever owned by companies that host servers for games.

[@sehfisch2350]

@@WelcomeBub why would proprietary stuff be harder to Release than not proprietary stuff. I don't see how server side code could be hardware specific. server hardware functions the same way your own pc works, it's just optimized for different functions

[@jacktolhurst3642]

When the Spiff spells “ressurected” wrong, but you’re fairly sure it’s so people comment about it and helps the algorithm 👌🏼👌🏼

[@JAY-gl5xd]

Exploiting the the KZbin algorithm and the "acshually refelx" with misspelling is BROKEN!!

[@redinfernal_]

That was legit one of the best videos Spiff has ever done. It was fascinating seeing a game being revived and finally disappearing.

[@scadianarcadium83]

I actually got to play this game in alpha. I was one of the sad bastards who tried maining the barbarians, and finding out that after the civilized factions unlock cavalry you are basically irrelevant unless you pay for premium units/commanders.

[@kyotheman69]

now i see why the game died, paying for unlock factions kind of sucks, they should just been available off the bat, you just pay stamina, skins, stuff like that i hate pay to win type games

[@KamikazKid]

@@kyotheman69 yeah this was a very rose colored glasses look at the game. It's easy to have fun without pay/grind walls littering the tech tree & causing you to have no hope of winning against other players.

[@ClickBoom290]

Wow so bummed I missed this game, looks like it would be a smash hit on steam if they launched again..

[@denen404]

Glad I got to play this game and tbh nothing has caused me to move away from the total war franchise more than arenas.....I didn't meet anyone that didn't like the game 🙃 and tbh it's sad because it's even got friends of mine that weren't fans of turn based strategy games....they loved it too...also...if ANYBODY knows how to place this game today PLEASE TELL ME

[@silversliver4582]

Honestly a game I loved playing throughout my middle/high school years was Chromehounds on the 360. It had one of the best online communities, and was a stark contrast to the voice coms of CoD, etc.

[@freecomkcf]

closest thing you're gonna get is MAV: Modular Assault Vehicle on Steam (long story short it's an indie copypasta in Chromehounds, but in a good way)

[@jeffreylehman1924]

I just commented this, lol

[@miniclip1162]

chromehounds was pretty fire.

[@edwardtan1354]

@@miniclip1162 I mean its from software.... its good until ACfA where the community is just.... love it or hate it

[@AVerySexuallyDeviantOrange]

@@edwardtan1354 Did someone say Armored Core for Answer? How the hell did a fan get out of the fromsoft torture chamber?

[@dodiloi]

I remember in alpha the commander abilities weren t tied to the unit tier. I used to play level 1 troops with level 8 commander abilities and used to kill 3 units with one of mine. It was glorious

[@That-_-Guy]

perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@brandonmorrell4340]

As someone who's grown up with Total War since the original Total War: Medieval.... How TF is this the first I've ever heard of this game when it looks so amazing?!

[@plick645]

I have no idea. It was huge when wargaming had it. It was everything you would have wanted. Especially when you had good teammates. Imagine playing medieval total war, but you didn't have to pause to babysit every section of every battle, because there was an incompetent to master lvl ai watching the flanks of your favored units. It was very fun, even when you were losing.

[@danilooliveira6580]

I played a good bit of it back in the day, but at the time it was very limited and horrificly pay to win and grindy. it was fun for a while, but as expected from a competitive game eventually every strategy on every map was reduced to exactly the same thing and it got boring. not to mention that before respawn the game was basically people getting fucked in the beginning and then just suiciding so they could end the match faster to search for another one. and I can hardly blame them when the game is grindy as fuck.

[@trevor8726]

It shut down after a year idk why always had fast queue times and playerbase was active

[@plick645]

@@danilooliveira6580 it did have a limited map selection though. There were some maps that just weren't fun espc. because they were for higher tier units which for some reason moved very significantly slower than early tier units. I really disliked the Thermopoly(sp?) map. The whole idea/plan of that battle was mountains and a bottle neck. Not a valley with a bottle neck that could be shot down into from above and the enemy army starting on the high ground.

[@plick645]

Plus it would have been better if armies had been faction locked. So you didn't have Roman players fighting Roman players in a grind match, but a faction army vs another faction army. It was kinda disappointing to see Boudicca helping chase down other Barbarians while being protected by Alexander's cavalry and Roman infantry.

[@DAJLCREW]

Dude 1st of all thanks for the video and I am just as mad as everyone else. I actually started streaming because of this game it is my favorite game of all time and I would play it everyday. The fact that we cannot have this is mind numbing. I met around 10 people playing this game it is by far the best arena game ever made in my opinion. I pray that the community can somehow convince CA to bring it back. I am still to this day EXTREMELY MAD that is no longer available. If you have any opportunity to discuss this with CA man would that be helpful. I hope that we can get this game back ASAP. Thanks for your time and effort and my fingers are crossed.......PEACE

[@Olav_Hansen]

I really like it when games have the option of local multiplayer, running over people's private servers. I remember playing the first call of duty local multiplayer with friends 10 years after it was released.

[@maxpont8989]

I was actually one of the closed alpha and beta testers too, I always thought it was a real shame they pulled the plug on it. I think most of the problem came down to insufficient tutorial. Most players didn't know how to use their units properly, and as such didn't see the advantage in paying for premium units or faster unlocks

[@ThePostOffice3]

Obtaining unit by paying real money?

[@maxpont8989]

@@ThePostOffice3 yeah it had at one point a system similat to other Wargaming games where some regiments could be unlocked by paying premium tokens

[@FreeReel1]

The part where you showed the servers dying in real time brought me back to when I experienced the same thing in Star Wars Galaxies… that had been my game for years. Luckily you can play emulators for it now but it’s just not the same.

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

I remember me and a buddy played this game and we lured some enemy elephants into the trees ( which makes them vulnerable ) and just massacred them there. We were shouting, chanting and highfivin for hours after that.

[@Shero1337]

I remember playing this game in the closed alpha, played it with 2 of my friends and we had a blast and I was really hyped for it. Then a few years past and I had complexly forgotten about it. Wish I got to play it more before it was totally killed off, had lots of promise.

[@Draygarth]

I played it in early access a long time ago, when it was available. It's great, 2 teams on a big map each player brings 3 units and you play total war against each other. Had a kind of world of tanks style unit tier system. Fun stuff.

[@redhotpeppers348]

As someone who lives in China, the line about pirated games appears on every NetEase loading page and it's absolutely hilarious

[@cletustheaborted8324]

How are you not getting black bagged for using our internet. Are VPNs illegal

[@That_One_Guy101]

@@cletustheaborted8324 from what I know technically there illegal if businesses use non approved vps. China dosent really enforce Against Civilians useing vps to use like youtube and stuff. China has threatened to bann them tho because China wants to monitor what people can and can't access like the authoritarian dictorship that it is.

[@That_One_Guy101]

I dont know how people can be all right with liveing under oppressive authoritarian governments like china. Perhaps being born and raised in China people are used to how the government is and its normal. Unlike if I as an American where to live there now im used to American freedoms so I'd have problems with loseing my rights. [To clarify I have no issue with Chinese citizens im critical of the PRC government]

[@JewTube001]

@@That_One_Guy101 Not having mad max freedom doesn't really matter if the rest of society works. For example china is fairly orderly and safe country where they don't go around mowing down school kids with rifles.

[@That_One_Guy101]

@@JewTube001 that's not the freedom I mean. I mean freedom of speech, Freedom of Press, right to protest. The right to have access to different information on the internet and not only being fed information the government wants you to know. The ability to live your life without haveing to worry about Social credits going down because you play video games more then the government would like.[which is a thing] And if you have low credit score the government can make your wifi connection super slow, limit your ability to use trains and other public transport, and haveing family members with low credit also effects your credit. Credit can also limit what collges you can get into, if you can take out loans. Tons of other shit. Saying negative things about the government also lowers your credit so that shows that the government dosent take criticism.

[@SnoFitzroy]

21:31 I want to see a thorough revival of both Garden Warfare games. GW1 has maybe 500 players in a day, maybe only 150 actively recurring players. GW2's biggest recent peak was around 4000 concurrent players when it was added to Steam like two months ago, and is already back down to around 1000 concurrent players. Maybe if a big enough revival happens the large portion of hackers on PC lobbies, while the actual number may go up (because for some reason this game has next to no security) active incidents will relatively go down as more players come in and don't mod the game. It'd be cool to see it as active as it was at its peak in 2016-2018

[@blackskorpion1988]

The spiffing Brit: Explaines you the importance of the rock, paper, scissor principle. Also the spiffing Brit: Plays only cavalry bcs he loves fast charging horses. 😅😄

[@j.1668]

"There is strategy to it, but I'm having fun. I guess you now know how to beat me. You're welcome. That's why this video is published after the game died. Mwahahahahaaa." Or something. ;)

[@StormflameMW]

The rock, paper, scissor principle doesn't forbid to always take rock. As one can always take Spock playing "Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock". (The Big Bang Theory - Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock - there are several scenes and everybody always takes Spock)

[@Arkhanno]

There is a game that was around back in the early 2000s until about 2010 called Wish Realm. It had a very unique style, being a 2D MMO that worked on (what is effectively) a tile grid. Some monsters had aggro ranges based on how close or far you were, if you got unlucky you could accidentally chain aggro the entire map and they would teleport onto you and instantly kill you, after you got to the max level you sold your additional experience to gain stats, you required a certain amount of experience sold into stat to enter higher tier endgame maps, and there were hidden passages that lead to secret areas/bosses. After a certain level of exp sold, because the optimal strategy was to get more damage, you would die if any monster hit you, so there was a lot of focus on Priests, since they could revive, and being able to one shot enemies before they one shot you. There was a lot of skill involved in playing the game well, as you had to know how to kite enemies and how to weave in and out on their attack range without getting hit. When you watched a skilled Knave or Mystic play and decimate group after group of mobs it was like watching a painter paint their masterpiece. Especially for Mystics, since their targeting was normally done quickly between movement. Speaking of targeting, when a spellcaster used a spell it brought up a targeting box that the player had to manually move onto the monster in their camera range. They then had to use arrow keys to scroll through the monsters in order to select their target then hit enter to use the spell. I loved that game so much. I spent so many hours on it. Back in the day I was even one of the highest exp sold players in the game (ranking as high as 3rd highest sold for Mystic). But the game died. I heard that someone had the files to build a private server at some point, but after a lot of digging over many years I haven't been able to find any method to do so. :(

[@plussum3255]

Tragic. Unfortunately there are nany such cases...

[@EpicNexusStudios]

Experienced the death of the MMO Firefall that got pretty rough around the edges at the end. But it was a game I enjoyed immensely that has yet to have a replacement that comes even remotely near it. Have always believed there needs to be a archival law that a game that is closing down should be required to release the server hosting systems or patch in a LAN/WAN style system for people to host their own games on a local client, when a games developer either shuts down or ends support for a game.

[@Karibanu]

Every now snd then I check, somewhat forlornly, if Firefall has a server up again - albeit yes, it was going odd places when it stopped. I playec it throuh three complete reworks, I think. What was that other game that just revived recently? Spiff what did you do to Marianne?

[@Alpha9n7]

Some MMO's have been recreated by fans as a private server

[@thomas.thomas]

yeah but sometimes the original devs are against it and threaten with lawsuits

[@hovsep56]

The devs of firefall are working on ember but they still have a long way to go based on their reports.

[@LannisterFromDaRock]

I played in the Alpha & Beta. THis game was EPIC! Missing it ever since.

[@LordDarkhelm]

Back when I played it, this game had a lot of problems that frustrated me out of playing it, preferring to play other games like Medieval II Total War. But it looks like they actually made a lot of improvements since then, so I wouldn't be against this coming back if that ever happened.

[@ArcticWolfGod]

10 player teams and small amount of troops to command? Sounds like I would have enjoyed this, sad to learn of it now that it's no longer possible to play it.

[@gianb3952]

Same

[@Agm1995gamer]

If you like FPS games "enlisted" has this element. You also costumize each soldier in your unit and can switch between them.

[@mpclewis]

I absolutely loved the opportunity to take part in this. It was great fun and just goes to show how great a connection Spiff has with his community. Thank you Spiff!

[@Easyflux]

Game preservation is very important, and is a constant uphill battle. Warms my heart to see one of my favourite content creators shed some light on this topic. Hopefully there's more game to highlight.

[@chleesespot4434]

Truly sad that these games that were classics when we were growing up as a part of our childhood is all but erased except for the fond memories it left with us that we must cherish.

[@Kinen098]

Still hoping that Spiff will say Sugoi even though I'm no longer counting days

[@thespiffingbrit]

get back to counting!

[@innocentbystander3317]

Must have been over 10 days... Take off your shoes and socks and you can count to 20 days!

[@CrazyFlyingMonk]

@@innocentbystander3317 if you add limbs and head you can get to 25

[@innocentbystander3317]

@@CrazyFlyingMonk Pull down your pants and you got 25 and a half... lol

[@death5114]

I really miss Wildstar. It was such a cool and unique experience. And now also Tera is closing down. I feel Mmos that shut down should let people create small private/Lan servers. Just when to experience the basic game with small groups. I also fondly remember playing Fantasy Earth Zero before it was shut down. I'd love to see another game like that one some day.

[@alexanon8345]

Aww TERA is closing? I have around 3k hours in that game :( Obviously I haven't played it in a while but I played nearly the whole time 65 was the level cap and I have such incredible memories from it

[@Falcodrin]

Yea it's worst with MMOs. I really miss firefall.

[@death5114]

@@alexanon8345 ya... I was so sad when I heard!

[@j.1668]

Still feels weird to me that Wildstar just shut down like that.

[@danielludvik2331]

Damn it hurts, i remember playing this game years ago but definetly i forgot sbout it. It was heart warming and disapointing to watch this. But everyone and everything isnt forever, just the memories we carry

[@nope5857]

Im surprised spiff has knowledge of something that is not exploits or tea

[@resileaf9501]

Being chinese in this game is an exploit.

[@Madman-yb5bp]

God I would give anything to have this game back. I dont even like any of the other total war games, but this was a masterpiece. The revived version was pretty crap since they added respawning, but the original was one of the most fun competetive multiplayer experiences of all time. Get on discord with your mates and coordinate strategic attacks.

[@vampirelord9285]

Spiff when he's with his intern: "Look at the pen*s I'm drawing on the map"

[@youtubepurgatory]

I used to play this with my dormy in uni religiously. Glad you could bring a ton of light to this forgotten gem, Spiff!

[@Emilamlom]

I had a similar experience. There was a game called Gigantic that was actually pretty fun. Think if a moba and Overwatch had a baby. Games were 4v4 matches. Each character had abilities that could be upgraded during a match, so the better you do, the more you snowball. Each side had a giant god or monster that the other team was trying to defeat. It was pretty fun and just when it was starting to pick up steam, the developer announced they were shutting it down. Turns out there were some business problems and mismanagement in the background that caused them to end the game. It's sad because it could have absorbed a lot of the users that left overwatch if it had stuck around another year or two.

[@AsrlaUtai]

I really loved "Black & White" back then. It had a multiplayer and was an amazing game. Although its not for everyone, I would like to see its unique gamestyle again.

[@joshuakruebbe3762]

There are dozens of us

[@nathanielwowchuk6880]

I really enjoyed it. Would love to play again

[@tvremote1234]

i miss it

[@homoe7976]

I missed out on it and only later discovered it. Damn it, I just want in.

[@ThePainElemental]

There is a game on Steam called Fata Deum that's trying to revive the God Game genre. It's not out yet, but I maybe it'll bring back this wonderful genre.

[@RichAFCW]

That was the most emotional thing I've ever watched. I'm both devastated by your loss and overjoyed that you got to relive those amazing moments. 😢 ❤ 😍

[@TheHitman488]

This made me relive the pain of missing one of my all-time fav games... RIP Spartacus Legends

[@somerandomguy7375]

11:38 when you spend 6 days trying to make a game work and this is one of the first things you do that how you know life can’t get any better

[@papapawpaw8877]

This game was actually one of my favorites. I remember playing in the beta. It was such a great idea. Sad to hear it's finally gone it's a shame