Magic: the Gathering Commander Gameplay | The Spike Feeders S1E5

[@danman1300]

Hey guys dryad arbor would have had summoning sickness

[@MrChaosHazard]

Yeaaah the Mox Diamond was my first draw there and my mind kinda melted as a result. Thankfully it doesn't end up mattering at all, so just swap it for the forest I discarded on turn 1 and it's all good :P - Bill

[@danman1300]

I’m loving the content tho

[@stuphill9756]

because it has the type of 'Land', it has haste

[@danman1300]

Stu Phill still a creature

[@debo864]

@@stuphill9756 that is incorrect

[@sylvandata]

In addition to a minor comment on the obvious Dryad Arbor misplay, I feel that the game should have been played out even after Gitrog demonstrated that it could win. Players conceeding after a loop has been demonstrated is normally done to save time and fit more games in. However, in a video format, I feel that it is better for the viewing audience that players actually meet the conditions for losing as opposed to simply scooping. On top of that, I personally would have enjoyed seeing exactly how Gitrog won the game.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

I think this is a totally valid criticism, and it's one that came up in our Patreon-exclusive advance viewing last night. In the future we're going to either play out the win condition if it's practical, or describe the game actions that lead to the win where it's impractical (like with Gitrog loops). For this episode, here's Eliot's description of his winning line: docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/edit?usp=sharing - Jim

[@oscarmadera8267]

I personally wasn’t sure with how he won that game. Not familiar with Gitrog.

[@naomisalama430]

I, too, feel like this is a good idea.

[@lexisanterre]

Yeah, the gitrog combo is rather complicated in execution, relying on a loop of triggers and responding to your own actions in a very specific order. For people who didn't read the doc above, a simple explaination is thus: He discards Dakmor Salvage, creating a draw from gitrog, then replaces it with the dredge from salvage, thus making an infinite self-mill loop. Then, whenever he mills a land card from his deck, he draws. Combine this with one of the old eldrazi - usually kozilek - or gaea's blessing, means that he can shuffle his graveyard into his deck at instant speed. Basically, the combo allows him to 'tutor' for any number of cards and play them any number of times, and can be done at instant speed. The most likely outlet would be playing dark ritual for infinite mana, then using any sort of black damage instant to win with that mana. I prefer Geth's verdict, but anything will do.

[@letzgoterps]

Agreed BC I'm not sure how he won, but I'm also not the best at paying attention over the long haul. Felt like the video just abruptly ended to me

[@TheTrinisphere]

Going to miss taking a peek into your living room and kitchen, but can definitely appreciate a dedicated recording space to reduce the hour+ setup/break-down sessions. Your show is improving hella fast and it is a huge inspiration! We just setup a dedicated space ourselves (which was also a much smaller & enclosed space) and switched to lapel mics which caused some reverb over the ol' Blue Yetis, so we invested in some noise cancelling foam that we just stapled to the walls. Keep up the great work! We also had the issue with the buzzing interference from the lapel mics, which we believe was due to cellphones near the belt receiver.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

I think that's probably our next step. We are filming episodes 8, 9, and 10 from Central Canada Comic Con so who even knows how that's going to work! - Jim

[@djrafikii559]

This was my main concern which was the buzzing, and definitely cell phone interference. Really enjoying the better sound quality though!

[@tangyuan7442]

Hi, love the content. Would appreciate if you could show the win con though especially for something like the gitrog deck which has one of the most complicated combo in cedh. production quality is going up exponentially. glad I subscribed!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

This came up in our Patreon-exclusive advance viewing last night. In the future we're going to either play out the win condition if it's practical, or describe the game actions that lead to the win where it's impractical (like with Gitrog loops). For this episode, here's Eliot's description of his winning line: docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/edit?usp=sharing - Jim

[@tangyuan7442]

Oh I am familiar with the gitrog win con. Just want to see it because it helps me enjoy the video more and because I hardly ever play mine haha. You can just show the loop and short cut it to show the win and it's enough for me. Appreciate the response!

[@HazDawwg]

@@TheSpikeFeeders just trying to understand the combo but the link no longer works. Do you have any other resources to help understand?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

@@HazDawwg we sure do! I don't want to spoil anything but check out episode 7.

[@swordoflorn]

I really appreciate the quality of these videos and the power level you play at. A lot of players/content creators hide behind "budgets," but I moreso enjoy seeing decks at their full potential.

[@חשןפרנקל]

On the first turn, dryad arbor has summoning sickness.

[@Lucarioguild7]

Just stumbled upon you guys from reddit and gotta say definitely added you to the edh content I consume. It’s very refreshing to see some competitive edh I look forward to seeing how you guys improve your content in the future :)

[@harryturner9201]

One game a week is not enough

[@ImTroyFromCanada]

Mics are all overloading. Maybe it improves over the course of the video, but you really gotta watch your input gain. You can always bump the volume in your DAW, but you can never get rid of clipping once it's there.

[@ameliaburton5313]

I dunno if y'all will see this, since this video is pretty old. Just wanted to say that I stumbled across this channel and have been in love with the content. You've really reignited my love for cEDH, and I just wanted to say thank you

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We read all the comments. I'm glad you've found the spark again. We all have our ups and downs when it comes to how engaged we are in the game. Thanks for your kind words!

[@patrickheusser4378]

your channel is great! thanx for your work. my favorit line with the frog is, just for stylepoints (and the ability to search libraries): turn the infinie black mana into green with a twiligt mire crop rotation loop and use sunscorched desert to kill the table. lol

[@Drazatis]

It took me FAR too long to come to terms with Jim’s playmat; looks so janky from an aerial view at first glance lol. Keep it up guys!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Ha! I actually got that playmat the day before we filmed this episode. Vancouver L2 Todd Bussey was in Winnipeg for our judge conference and brought it as a gift for me. Maybe for our next filming session I'll get a playmat with an image of this one on it, skewed at a different angle. It'll be like holding a mirror up to another mirror. - Jim

[@merrowmania1366]

Great game! 2:54 - Dryad Arbor cannot tap. 7:33 - You actually do need to declare your target before naming a card. 10:38 - You should have floated mana in case you drew a cycling land. The only exception to this sequencing is when you fear Frog will be removed in response, causing you to waste the floating mana. I don't feel like going back and finding it, but Eliot should have begun the Loam trick as soon as possible. Unless he specifically was searching for protection, there was no reason not to do so.

[@isabelsprogis]

I love to watch Elliot trying to combo off. Just a reminder that it would be nice to show and explain the combos, I've shared this episode with some friends and they are new to cEDH so I had to explain why having the Dakmor on the grave meant you'd have won. Keep up the good work!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We talked about that too after the episode went up, so Eliot wrote out a walk-through on his lines of play from that point on in the game, you can check it out here: docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/ -Jan

[@kennethlane7645]

Small but remember Selvala triggers when any player puts a creature with highest power among creatures into play. So when Elliot played Gitrog he should've drawn a card as the prototypes power is only 5.

[@philippzahn9895]

Hey guys great video. I do have a question about Gitrog. Eliot used the dredge from LFTL and hit 2-3 Lands with one dredge. Why do you only get one Gitrog draw triggers there and not 2-3?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Good question! Gitrog is templated to say "whenever one or more land cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere, draw a card". Dredge puts all the land cards in your graveyard at once so you only get one instance of the trigger. If it was dredge 1 twice, he would have gotten two triggers. - Jim

[@philippzahn9895]

Ah I see. Thanks man. ;)

[@YoannGosselin]

Episode starts off right with a The Office reference XD

[@avetuti1]

awesome video, I love your competitive gameplays, we dont have a lot of those in youtube. Besides, you guys are funny.

[@Bcdeano]

I feel ya Jim. I'm the tasigur player in our group. One control deck among 3 hyper combo is a rough time dude

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

This is my entire life. I'm actually pretty fortunate that my midrangey-ness has rubbed off on these guys, but it's definitely tough to pin 3 people down. - Jim

[@bryanrobar5151]

Quick ruling on Predict. You have to declare target on cast, but don't name a card until the spells resolution. Same as Cabal Therapy and other similar cards.

[@lexisanterre]

GITROG #ROCKTHEFROG *cough* I may or may not be please to see my favorite commander in play. Hm. Liking the look of the new place, and looking forward to bigger and better content!

[@mwillis86]

I would personally move the lapel mics further up. The voices are kind of muffled sounding. That being said I am currently loving the content.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Thanks! After editing the video, I totally agree. I think if we move them closer and turn the gain down a little bit each player's mic won't pick up as much of the other players' voices. The next two episodes are going to be pretty similar to this one because we filmed them on the same day, but starting with E7 we should see another improvement in sound quality. - Jim

[@kylernye8384]

I would love to see you guys have a take on Animar, even if he isn't Tier 1 CEDH viable.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We aren't super concerned with being right at the top end of the format, so things like Animar are totally doable. - Jim

[@spc-tr]

To remove echo you can simply put more stuff on the walls, irregular shaped things like paintings with frames, shelves etc

[@Magnivore519]

Even though 'choose a card name' comes before 'target player' on Predict, all targets must be chosen (if applicable) when the spell is put onto the stack before it resolves. How that should have gone is: Cast Predict targeting myself, pass priority, okay now that it's resolving I will choose a card name.

[@viniciusbraga5698]

Elliot activated lake of the dead twice during the ad nauseam combo. It was a mistake that impacted the game

[@knightfromlordran]

5:19 epic roast right there

[@martintaylor570]

Loving the videos guys, but the mobile interference has definitely been an issue for more than a couple of videos. It might be worth leaving phones in another room during recording perhaps?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We can't, unfortunately. To get rid of the echoes you hear in the first few episodes, we changed to lapel mics. Initially we tried USB lapel mics but found that my computer's USB ports couldn't handle the bandwidth of two webcams and four microphones all running at the same time. We changed to lapel mics with a 3.5mm headphone jack, but the only way we could make that work was to have everyone record the audio to their phones. All that being said, we filmed episodes 5, 6, and 7 on the same night before we realized that mobile interference would be an issue. We didn't go back and re-film anything because we figured it would be a waste of footage, but we've implemented some changes that improved things drastically for episode 8 and going forward. - Jim

[@martintaylor570]

Thanks for the reply Jim! Yeah I totally understand the limits of this kind of thing, since my friends and I podcast and film ourselves. We've has some success recording on one laptop and filming on another but it does lead to a whole lot more editing on two separate recordings so it's not ideal. Good luck with getting it sorted though, loving the vids otherwise ;D

[@Evan-wv4hz]

4 guys with glasses 👓

[@Magos_Biologis_Tyranus]

Can someone explain the game winning loop? I don't understand it I understand that with the dredge land he can draw out his deck but I don't understand why he wins.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

In the future we're going to either play out the win condition if it's practical, or describe the game actions that lead to the win where it's impractical (like with Gitrog loops). For this episode, here's Eliot's description of his winning line: docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/edit?usp=sharing - Jim

[@garthmichel]

Yeah, explaining how you would would be much better, I was enjoying it up till then and then everyone kinda just packed up and it was very anti-climactic

[@imnot13utubeidiots]

The Spike Feeders the google doc is no longer available. Not sure if that’s intentional.

[@SuperJacked_]

Don't suppose one of you guys would be up for playing a Lazav the multifarious deck at some point? I think he could be pretty competitive and do some nutty stuff!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Definitely keep your eyes glued to the channel 😉 I have a feeling someone over here thinks the same thing! - Eliot

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Spoiler alert: It's Eliot. - Jim

[@SuperJacked_]

I recently got into EDH in my final year of college (YIKES) and he was the first commander I went with and I'm definitely glad I did he's so flexible and the ETB cheating on otherwise terrible creatures is just great, I hope it's in an upcoming episode, now that you've confirmed an interest the wait for that episode is going to kill me haha! Cheers for the awesome fresh EDH & CEDH content loving it!

[@SuperJacked_]

I hope for the rest of you guys you run some grave hate or else it'll be a surprisingly fast game!

[@robwormuth7838]

I would love to see another competitive game with Seasons Pastigur. Felt like it didn’t really get to do anything this time around :/

[@Ghaespar]

So, i guessed every single deck right on twitter... :D So proud :D hahaha

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Just wait until we crank up the difficulty on the next one. Remember that "Who's That Pokemon?" where it was a Jigglypuff from above and you thought it was a Voltorb? - Jim

[@Ghaespar]

It's Pikachuuu.... . . . It's Clefairy :D . . . F*#$&k :D Well, it is a great episode, and oddly enough, my favorite deck won :)

[@ExtraWubs]

I like how Jim and el are wearing the same shirt x3

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

His has dinosaurs! Mine are giraffes. Far superior. - Jim

[@spc-tr]

I’m a frog player myself, and I’m so happy to see this episode :’) thanks !

[@kolbykamara5186]

i dont understand why they scooped? what did i miss... .which card was he searching for that gave him an auto win?

[@Magnivore519]

The static at the beginning is probably from a message or phone call coming in. Better equipment might mitigate that, though keeping phones away also does the trick.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Unfortunately that's not an option at the moment. We are using our phones as the recording device, so the microphones have to be plugged into them. We've been able to get around it in future episodes by turning off mobile data while we are filming, but the issue affected episodes 5, 6, and 7. - Jim

[@dystopianaverice1981]

For gitrog you can loop sorcery speed vicious rumors- opp mill 1 discard 1 and lose 1 L.. Works really well in my build

[@ramoninc17]

What was gitrog deck? I really enjoy this deck

[@Eddie_Joe]

XD yessss! I love it!

[@jonathancain3272]

Is there a place I could find the deck lists? Loving the content!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Yep! Deck lists are linked in the video description. - Jim

[@juanmolinar3479]

Holy shit Eliot's deck took OFF

[@danman1300]

And also Eliot could’ve drawn from the selvala trigger

[@kp7peter]

Just watched this after i found u guys, even though it's an old gameplay i didn't find any comments about the missed gitrog draw triggers right about 20:03 where he milled multiple lands from the Life from the loam dredge am i just not digging deep enough in the comments or am i not counting the triggers right?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Gitrog's ability only triggers once per instance of lands being put into the grave ("whenever one or more land cards..."). You only draw one card if you hit 1, 2 or 3 lands within the same dredge trigger.

[@kp7peter]

@@TheSpikeFeeders ok, nevermind, i'm dumb ^^" Thanks for the enlightendment

[@corbot2424]

Hey just wondering, how would he have actually won through the shadow of doubt, I know how the combo works and everything I'm just asking because the one's I have seen win through preators grasping everyone infinite times with cycle lands, just want to know what his win condition is

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Great question! You weren't the only on wondering so Eliot wrote up a walk-though on what his potential win-conditions and other lines he has he can take from the point where we scooped. You can check it out here; docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/ -Jan

[@corbot2424]

@@TheSpikeFeeders hey, thanks for responding, I have seen a few gitrog monster games but I think alot of people just don't like how convoluted it is, I personally use a hyper combo acrcum deck which I don't like compared to some cedh decks just because of how all in it is, my other is a mid-range thrasios and tymna deck which I would love to see in one of your episodes

[@ohwildy-ps3401]

Yall should do a budget deck series

[@findlayhannam849]

How do you go from a super-large frog and a hand full of cards, to winning that turn?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

In the future we're going to either play out the win condition if it's practical, or describe the game actions that lead to the win where it's impractical (like with Gitrog loops). For this episode, here's Eliot's description of his winning line: docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/edit?usp=sharing - Jim

[@datastorm17]

I know this is an old vid. But i don't understand the win. The google docs have been deleted so I'm confused sorry

[@davidshift5382]

He could have discarded Life from the Loam and then land then dredging 3 and repeat. This way with so many lands in hand he would easily dredge into Dakmor Salvage.

[@matiasrochaix2234]

Omg Bill is so cute!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

I've heard people say he looks like a poor man's Jim. - Jim

[@andrewdryden2071]

Why is the playmate in the top right off-centre? Hard to not notice

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

That's just what the playmat looks like! shop.tcgplayer.com/playmats/magic-promotional-playmats/magic-grand-prix-2017-playmat-vancouver-bc-pithing-needle - Jim

[@andrewdryden2071]

Geez, that's tilting, at lest for me. Might as well just have spots drawn on it for the lands to go up front

[@Somedutcher]

So what was his wincon?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Here's Eliot's description of his winning line: docs.google.com/document/d/1Lk3Mqm2u57I1u-eJjJRrhpAHCdRUWu0mpPKxOwJapWs/edit?usp=sharing In the future, we are going to make sure to either play it out or describe the game actions that lead to the win. - Jim

[@Somedutcher]

Thanks very much, I really like the content you guys put out and it's cool to see the the advancement. Keep up the good work!

[@felixdecastro]

Great gameplay! But you mossed a lot of selvala etb triggers

[@andrewdryden2071]

Be careful what you wish for. I'm going to write comments JUST so you have to read them! HAHAHAHAHA!

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Challenge Accepted! -Jan

[@AndrewWoodford]

Hi Burn Player Man

[@andrewdryden2071]

@@AndrewWoodford, CRAP! My "Fame" no longer allows me to skulk back into the shadows of anonymity

[@rorykitchen2727]

The git-gud monster just isn't fair

[@yahelhotam1777]

not to bother, but your card back still has that purple dot

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

We all had a really good laugh about that. When I talked to a friend of mine, he explained that the card image was originally from a mothership article about the 6th colour and Barry's land. I'm not sure how true that is, and I haven't seen the article, but we've grown attached to it! - Jim

[@Bahiamtg]

Woow Wins Gitrog Monster

[@nighttimecollector]

My friend just built a Gitrog deck and it's scary too. Outran my Doomsday Breya. Gonna see if I can lay some stax(GAAIV) on it with my next deck!

[@ExtraWubs]

Bills mic ouch.

[@matiasrochaix2234]

That crucible was not a good target :(

[@BrunoSilva-dn3mf]

Gitrog wins '-' my commander.

[@meaches2117]

😀

[@kend6916]

Dryad Arbor doesn’t have haste