TUGS - Sunshine 20 Minute & 15 Minute Version Differences!

[@lysander.o.c.3580]

Imagine being a kid in England in 1989, you just watched the first episode of TUGS on tv and you loved it so you beg your parent to get you a tape of the first episodes, you get it and you feel that the episode is longer and different but you think "i must be remembering it wrong" but years later you learn that you had watched the TV version.

[@ianschwartz08]

yeah

[@Noah-ey5zf]

Man that must of been insane to experience or just yet alone to even think about! It must of been even more jarring to watch both versions of Munition back to back since more changes were made in that episode

[@SodorTrain1225]

15:33 "The Duchess threw a big party celebrating her arrival in port." I can just see the Duchess pulling some pop star moves to the Bridge Cafe Band's music.

[@MKtheinstrumentalist]

I'm _convinced_ that there's a line from Ten Cents cut from 3:38, Top Hat and Warrior's rebukes come straight out of nowhere, completely unprompted. There was definitely a 30min cut of this. Another thing: 7:53. "Seen it with my own eyes!" "Yeah, we _both_ seen it." - no they didn't, not in that cut anyway. We only see Izzy _telling_ them about it, then they head straight off to Zero. Another scene cut there and a pretty big one by the sound of it too...

[@KnapfordMaster98]

You're correct about the 7:53 one, although the line is recycled from another scene. The cut scene was retained in the photobook adaption. Zorran and Zak are passing by the Star Dock when they overhear Captain Star talking about getting the Duchess contract. This is why they were visible way in the background shrouded in fog. They go to tell Captain Zero, hence "we've both seen it". This exchange was cut and then recycled when they find out about the Duchess' early arrival. Sounds strange for sure, but Sunshine is not immune to really bizarre editing. The "seen it with my own eyes" footage is actually meant for the FIRST Z Stacks scene, and the shots of Zorran and Zak in the first scene were meant for the second one, hence why Zip was always facing the dock but the other's were not.

[@MKtheinstrumentalist]

_Huh,_ that's actually some pretty amazing deduction there, props to you mate!

[@KnapfordMaster98]

I can't take much credit; it's mostly TheStarSwitcher who is the master of decoding these things :)

[@Thomasultimate1213]

The joke at 7:53 is that they don't actually see her, and they got their information from Izzy, Captain Zero would have been upset if Zorran would have just said Izzy told them.

[@BiffBaffBuffer]

MKtheinstrumentalist I was always under the assumption that Once Zorran & Zak heard the news from Gomez, they headed out to the estuary to find out if Izzy's news was true, ''then'' they would inform their captain. ''True''; not everything is shown in either version of the finished episode, but neither ''clearly state'' that the two Z-Stacks go straight to Captain Zero without bothering to look... The Book adaptation is the ''only'' thing I know of that states Zak & Zorran go straight to Captain Zero without checking if the Duchess is actually approaching. Just my perspective. And though Top hat & Warrior's view that Liner docking is no work for Switchers ''may have'' come from nowhere, at least the dialogue gives of the implication that the Bigger Star tugs have docked a Liner before, hence their belittling of Ten cents there and then.

[@gregkiteos1936]

Amazing! I'm so glad the tv version has been saved - I reckon the series hasn't been aired on TV since the early '90s. Now it will live forever on KZbin. Edit: I found out that the only time it aired on TV was its original run from April to June 1989. Such a shame.

[@Thelilwestern]

Very nice and very informative

[@gregkiteos1936]

The dialogue between Ten Cents and Izzy Gomez is slightly different from the start: Izzy addresses Ten Cents by his name in the TV version.

[@thunderbirds9319]

This video just revitalised my interest in Tugs again. I have all 5 of the UK tapes which I bought about 4 years back but I lost a great amount of interest as late as 2015. I thank you for making this video and I implore you to make more.

[@derailed-productions]

This was very cool and informative to see I never noticed how many differences there were between the two till you pointed them out.

[@GWKTM]

Ironically Tugs have a full voice cast while Thomas only had a narrator...

[@BrandonHargus]

The TV Version definitely wins a lot by color, especially since the night scenes look horrible with that Yellow-ish tint.

[@TaylorZanderFrancis]

I can't imagine this getting an official DVD release, but if it did, it'd likely be like the Warner Archive or BFI releases, where it'd only be available for fans and such, rather than a mainstream release. With that in mind, I think it would work out if the 13 episodes were presented in the 15 minute format, and present the four episodes with 20 minute cuts as bonus features, along with the behind the scenes featurette, as well as a featurette on the museum housing most of the models. Some voice actor interviews would be fun too.

[@Silverlink28]

I’ve already got it on DVD unofficially

[@MarvelMTs]

@@Silverlink28Please explain how

[@Thebustermann]

Everyone loves a tug

[@chesapeakedproductions3009]

The main differences I find in the intros is just the exact same footage, but in different orders depending on either the televised or home VHS version

[@legospaceman_]

Very interesting I suppose this is an answer to my question in the last video

[@TheSodorSteamworks]

Really good video. I learned a lot from it. Excellent work.

[@SpectrumStorms]

In terms of color: VHS version for the day scenes, but TV version for the night scenes.

[@kingorry7223]

In the televised version o.j said he'd give Izzy a tow, the home video version o.j said he'd tell captain starr

[@Thomas__Blue]

Very interesting, seeing as I've only bothered to watch the 20 minuet cuts myself.

[@DanknDerpyGamer]

Zorran going "Shut up, dinghy-brain!" still makes me laugh. 😂😂😂

[@ciarandaragh8676]

Not to mention zorran saying "What you know about it you shout American heep of junk!" Like, bro chill

[@Wildcatt1999]

I hope the rest of the 20 cut episodes get released to the public someday.

[@abrr2000]

damn it. If I'd known TV recordings were rare, I wouldn't have thrown away my Thomas vhs... it was all recorded off the tv, and included most of the tugs episodes.

[@FireStormDel]

It's interesting see the VHS versions since they feel more complete compared to the TV version where there's the odd audio change like some being added or removed, or scenes that weren't in the VHS version, so it'd be nice to see the VHS version with those restored, the issue being with the stuff that contradicts each other. Main example being who gives Izzy the tow in the end, were I to remake this episode, having cut up every shot and got the audio split between music, sound effects, and voice over, I'd go with Warrior realising he forgot to give Izzy the tow, it just works better for a joke sequence. But in the end, I feel at best, you'd get about a minute or two extra from rebuilding the episodes to account for both the VHS version being the more complete of the two, just perhaps missing some stuff hence the change in the TV version. And it does lead me to wonder if the other episodes that didn't have 20 minute cuts have lost audio and/or video for such a thing, but I doubt we'll find out now.

[@ListerDavid]

I got the vhs for my birthday the March of 89 and loved it, then the series started. It was only when I got the books I noticed how they differed from the series.

[@gregkiteos1936]

I can see why the Sally Seaplane scene was left out. It didn't really add much to the episode, and she was only seen or mentioned two more times afterwards (4th of July and High Winds).

[@gregkiteos1936]

@Jared DiCarlo That's interesting! Who has seen the 30-minute cut?

[@Toasted_Failure]

@@gregkiteos1936 the 30. Minute cut was only partially filmed and was never completed. Since the change from 30 to 20 minutes was made. The only completed 30 minute cut is jinxed

[@gregkiteos1936]

@codysawesomeworld9196 Ah I did not realise that! I think it's strange that they filmed Jinxed first, seeing as Sunshine is the pilot episode. It makes it more intriguing when Sunshine is beached and you can see seaweed on him - I realise that the plot was meant to be a lot darker.

[@Toasted_Failure]

@@gregkiteos1936 it's rumored pirate was partially filmed for the 30 minute cut

[@GWKTM]

"From creators of Thomas The Tank Engine" No wonder they're so similar

[@sonictailsx4690]

There is one difference I know in 'Pirate' is Captain Starr Narration wasn't at end of episode on VHS but on airing version of TV.

[@gregkiteos1936]

That was the same for all the 20 minute VHS versions except Munitions. For that episode, the dialogue is quite different, but they more or less share the same message.

[@Aussieroth7]

... My question is why so many differences besides the time length?

[@Thomasultimate1213]

Funny how the VHS version keeps the bottom frame, while TV version has the top.

[@TankEngine97]

Part of me thinks some of the lines in the TV version were re-recorded to flow better with the timing.

[@keatonthekoopatroopa246]

2:12 his face on the left tho.

[@MJCisGaming]

Mr Weirdo at 2:12 the faces are from 2 different episodes the smiling one isn’t from the episode sunshine it’s in fact from Regatta he’s laughing at pulling Grampus from Lillie Lightship

[@shivamkamil1581]

@@MJCisGaming When you put it that way, the one on the left isn't "from" Sunshine either; it's a deleted scene from High Tide.

[@Jetthehawk1994]

Are you gonna do the rest of the episodes?

[@williamb.298]

Very interesting to see the differences between the VHS and TV Versions, do you plan to upload more of these comparison videos?

[@TheStarSwitcher]

William B. of course!

[@mightydylan-iq4fh]

If u go on you tube u can get them all

[@lysander.o.c.3580]

@@TheStarSwitcher if you want I could try to make a restoration of the TV episodes

[@parkerproductions4546]

Nicely done! Must have taken you a while to edit this.

[@that-british-whovian]

As someone whose done a lot of editing some of changes do baffle me, considering how minute they are, like a small barely noticeable shot here and there

[@orangexraygamer2868]

will you make more of these

[@trionabyrne72]

The Star fleet and the Zero fleet are Foes.

[@handfulmacaroni]

could you upload the finnish episodes and the 15 minute cut of sunshine unaltered?

[@Flanchandayo]

Can you upload the 15 minutes version?

[@Goldie267]

"Even went as far out as Lillie!" Interesting they didn't edit this line on the TV version considering they cut out the only scene with Lillie in.

[@shivamkamil1581]

Well, he still decides to go search out there. (19:22)

[@hamishcameron1082]

TUGS was Broadcasted on CITV 😮

[@twrfan0145]

Hey the star switcher I love tugs

[@jackw7683]

Great video do more if possible please

[@robguzyk3318]

And this is longer then both

[@crisbreboneria8526]

I think big mac and warrior are brothers because they have the same design.

[@thatblenderguy7566]

HEY THESTARAWITCHER, CAN YOU UPLOAD ON KZbin, SUNSHINE TV VERSION, PIRATE TV VERSION, REGATTA TV VERSION, MUNITIONS TV VERSION PLS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE TV VERSIONS OF THESE 4 TUGS EPISODES.

Oh.. interesting..!

[@GWKTM]

You'd think the VHS versions were pilots

[@massivemetalkicks4619]

What happened to that Thomas and friends crashes in 60p video you made? I don't see it on your channel

[@The8BitNerd]

Such an underrated series, too bad it was out in such a bad spot after season 1.

[@wakusarchive]

Great video m8. Also what's up with the slight subtlety in color difference between the two rips? Is it because the VHS release's quality is trash?

[@TheStarSwitcher]

Different telecine when editing the 20 and 15 minute versions together. Notice how some shots look higher and lower than others (example when Zak says something about 'better looking', the 3 is visible on his stack in the 15 min, but in the 20 min, you see more of the buoy).

[@wakusarchive]

Yeah, I noticed that as well

[@BiffBaffBuffer]

I can safely say ''I've'' noticed. Seeing the cropping difference between both versions of the footage is educating, though I must say The lower fraction of the frame looks a little more appealing to me at times. For a time, I assumed The Orangy-Yellow Tint was added in on purpose. I know better now, but I like it. I'm ''used'' to it. It gives a feel of colour & vibrance. Especially to the scenes at night. I have a similar issue with Series 1-3 of Thomas on video. I favour the ''Original video'' cropping & tint over the Restored versions on Dvd. Unfinished or not; I actually 'prefer' the 20 minute versions of those four episodes. They may have had to be shortened to meet T.V.S time slot, but is it wrong of me to think that the 20 minute releases could have been intended to be Directors Cuts (that time & finances allowed)?

[@vicblox25]

The colour s diffrent

[@thecaledoniansleeper2648]

The VHS versions were better.