Joe Budden AIRS OUT Rory & Mal BREAKUP & explains EXPENSES & why he never gave them Youtube profits!

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[@TheStop]

Mero EXPOSES TRUTH about BREAK UP with Desus & say theres a LAWSUIT coming! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZCUYpasftuCe8k

[@Realeyezkt1]

You have 2 years to file suit what's taken them so long? Court will deny it, since there's video evidence of time frame since they knew.

[@rochellesoyoola1150]

This breakup is the gift that keeps on giving for you at this point lol

[@CKB555]

Joe wanted them to pay expenses but also told Rory he couldn’t have any ownership in the pod. Why am I handling expenses, but you won’t let me own anything?!

[@AlizaeDPMO]

Y don’t they sue then? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@levelup9133]

What you wrote makes no sense. In the world or percentages in pay, making workers pay an extra percent in expenses has nothing to do with ownership. Joe Budden name been on the show and they had no issue until they felt like they should get paid more. Also nobody knows roy or Mal apart from Joe. Which means if something happened, Joe would have taken the blow. Thats why he should get paid more.

[@crowded_spaces]

They wanted to make money from profit, but that number was calculated after expenses were paid. That’s not the same as paying expenses. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Miaminightvibin]

People don’t know profit comes after the business pays expenses not individually lol

[@oluway4545]

@@AlizaeDPMOyou’re not this stupid cuz 😂

[@KH-go7rc]

As a person who works in accounting / finance I can totally see how this happens. At the end of the day, this is a business that Joe is the owner. He’s right, you expense as many things as possible to lower your tax liability. As someone who isn’t an owner, or doesn’t know much about business accounting I can totally see how you can look at “the accounting” and think he’s stealing. Also, we are trained to give as little information as possible to as little people as possible. Most people don’t understand accounting and assume it has the same rules as your regular personal finance. It’s totally different. Also, I don’t recall Rory and Mal ever saying they weren’t paid well. Based on what I’ve heard, Joe probably was not paying them based on the “accounting” because then they would have gotten paid less. I do believe that’s why he takes so much offense to the stealing accusations. Accountants literally try to show as many expenses as possible to bring taxes down. Also, he’s also correct in saying he could expense his car, his clothes and probably so much more (part of his rent, gas, cosmetic procedures, etc). Also, Joe would make decisions that require future spend / growth. this interview I’m assuming he’s saying he didn’t expense as much as he should so they can get a higher share of “profits”. This also means he would have had a higher tax liability (while also having to pay for this items out of pocket)Soooo if this is the case I can understand why Joe is so upset about the stealing rumors. It sounds like they have ab issue reconciling their payment vs expenses. I can totally see how a person who’s rubbing a business and taking on all of the stress and risk of the business, and have people who you don’t feel are investing as much sweat equity start asking you questions about your business they they aren’t helping grow beyond being “talent”. I can so see how this went left lol. In my opinion, Joe talked waaayyyy too much about owner, and he made Rory and Mal “feel” like they were without actually being one. They got entitled. In my opinion, this is all ego and pride. Mal and Rory learned that they are not owners and do not have the same rights as one. People can’t take away from the fact that besides all his bullshit, Joe does seem like he works very hard, and I think it’s difficult for people like him to have empathy for people who he doesn’t deem work as hard as he does. I think Mal definitely falls into that in his mind. Like I upgraded your life, gave you a gig, paid you well for your bare minimum efforts, and you’re still complaining. That’s what I feel he feels in his mind. Lol

[@orapelengmaponyane7684]

Greatest comment on this entire issue

[@KH-go7rc]

@@orapelengmaponyane7684 awwww. Thanks lol

[@pongunz1997]

Finally somebody that understands difference between stealing and two mfs that didn't know what was in the contract and thought they deserved more

[@Lover-ur4te]

This was very insightful.

[@oluway4545]

@@pongunz1997so you’re saying two dudes with their lawyers who went on to build multimillion dollar company, signing 2 big deals worth millions ‘dont understand their contract’? U can’t be that dense dawg 😂😂😂

[@BoxOffice22]

Joe basically says be grateful I didn’t take more 🤣. Can’t make this up.

[@bigc3geminitx40]

Man I knew I wasn’t tripping lol

[@Deemo7373]

With a straight tone as if he's right

[@youthgonewild]

but I thought Joe was a Marxist lmao

[@Skywalker721]

Some of y’all have serious comprehension issues. This level of ignorance is nasty work. Business acumen on a -200. 🥴🤦🏽‍♂️

[@belowaveragegamer95]

He’s saying I was paying you more than you were worth actually

[@MrBeezy92]

Looking back on this, he definitely manipulated his friends which is crazy as fk

[@b1slee267]

Don’t forget “psychoanalyzes” his “friends”

[@TECC300]

It’s not crazy, tax told them this to their faces almost a decade ago🥴

[@untuchablemizz1]

Joe is straight up saying the asked for accounting, i gave them accounting.. if i happened to lie on the accounting, so be it, i still gave them accounting... thats wild!

[@freebird754]

Bingo

[@offthegridbutonyoutube548]

That’s lowkey the B-Plot of this podcast lmao from the Marisa days until now

[@trey7156]

So basically they been telling the truth the whole time 😂

[@Dharvey3k]

Nope

[@joshuarichardson6854]

Man posted a podcast they were part of on his KZbin, monetized it, and said they can’t get a cut. CANT go into business with certain people. This man believes he is right too

[@jcallwood25]

He's a SNAKE. And if the shoe was on the other foot he would be going off she we'd never hear the end of it. Smh.

[@paultaylor3841]

Bingo! His page before their pod and after the pod was way different 😂

[@rjgears]

They were getting a check... on screen talent are not entitled to a cut of the business part of anything unless their name is on it. That's business 101

[@sonnyblegend]

​@rjgears lol what?? There cut is based off percentage, what are you talking about??

[@DontRushExcellence]

That’s why it was as successful as it was, you see they started their own and army as successful

[@RecencyBiasRadio]

2:41 Joe seems really heated lol

[@BryanKalloo]

"Who will be the first to make a documentary about this?" Lol you Danny you

[@factory3da]

Joe really needs to stop going on Spaces. Joe needs to stop discussing this breakup. None of his talk (about the breakup) makes him look any better. It all just sounds like nice-sounding spin.

[@Realeyezkt1]

And what he says is def being recorded and can be used against him

[@juugmanyopsss]

@@Realeyezkt1so he needs to do more

[@juugmanyopsss]

Nothing about this sounds nice lmao that shit he said about his youtube being his and blah blah is a foul rewrite of history

[@LashayneHampton]

So you want the truth to stop coming out about his own character😂

[@Skywalker721]

Only to people who lack comprehension & are govern with their emotions over logical thinking. R&M sound like they’re ignorant on the business end & are upset that they’ve done bad business. Their sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Joe also sounds like he’s has poor leadership & communication skills. Some of you guys sympathize with who you assume is the weaker people in the situation & automatically assume the person in power is the bad guy. Too many successful people are still working with Joe or speak highly of him as a businessman in podcasting.

[@QuiseKirilenko]

Joe’s Side Of The Story Changes Every Single Time He Speaks On The Breakup.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Joe Wanted To Turn Them Into Salaried Instead Of Percentage Earners. That’s Where The End Came From. Joe Is Just Good And Spinning..

[@rameezeudc855]

So he fired them and got salary workers end of, don’t know why we still have to hear about it

[@QuiseKirilenko]

@@rameezeudc855 Because Joe Rory And Mal Had The Absolute Best Podcast Ever.

[@Dharvey3k]

I don't wanna hear shit if they don't audit him

[@Jayjack681]

Guaranteed joe is gonna have a new cast every couple years

[@Butwhatdoiknoww]

Oh well. Keeps it fresh

[@TheSentry603]

He's almost out of friends. Next group might be Raqui Thunda, Fabulous, Tahiry, Peter Gunz etc

[@jayinthebx]

If Ish one day get tired of Joe. Ice is a yes man Mel is there for the check. Flip is loyal to a degree... But Ish and Joe fell out in the past the reason they never told. But hes the only one I can see leaving after he used up his extended 15 mins of fame

[@74ROZAYDON]

Im honestly to the points both sides is telling the truth and lying. If R&M feel some type of way they should have sued but they never did so which mean they got fucked over but yall signed the contracts. It is what it is

[@CMG810]

Mal was right lol He stole from him and Rory

[@oceancity5776]

💯%

[@bandhere728]

Yup lol 💯💯

[@Ra-sb2ln]

Everybody on this comment thread just yapping and not providing any real analysis on why they believe what they believe. Please explain how he stole from R&M, so I can unpack and debunk since you clearly didn’t understand the business side of what Joe was discussing

[@bandhere728]

@@Ra-sb2ln bruh when Rory and Mal both made that accusation, Joe later came out and said “what I have no idea what their talking about” then he later went on a live chat room and said their was a 400k mistake and even Ish on the podcast called Joe out for contradicting himself and said to Joe live on air; Let Rory and Mal come back to the podcast and expose everything to see who’s really telling truth and then we can finally put this break up to bed. Rory and Mal went on their podcast and heard what ISH said and agreed quickly with ISH and said they would happily do it and guess what Joe said to Ish, “ah whatever ninja let’s move on”. Please feel free to watch Danny old content covering Joe narrative changes and look at when he covered Rory and Mal literally saying we got all the proof, receipts, and we’ll even expose all contracts live on air to finally shut up Joe and his constant lying. Thats why a lot of people side with Rory and Mal because if they were really lying why challenge Joe so openly on their own platform and other people platform, especially when they can hear and see Ish (Joe new nearest and dearest friend) even give them the benefit of the doubt. Ish knows Rory and Mal to be good people and as Ish says to Joe constantly on the current podcast Joe ain’t shit so that should tell us who really telling the truth about this breakup.

[@randlestevenson]

​@Ra-sb2ln 15 percent agreement on podcast earnings. joe created a network above the podcast. says the podcast made x after subtracting at the network level. essentially lowering their pay by creating new expenses.

[@10Trillion707]

Joe’s version of what happened has no resemblance to the truth whatsoever!

[@TheDundeal]

Is that you Rory??

[@lucanwolf712]

So what’s the truth? Since u know

[@nothinguntouchedpodcast]

​@@lucanwolf712you believe Joe? He changed his story more than once

[@rem0god]

@@nothinguntouchedpodcastJoe also said this crew negotiates their contracts but also said back then fuck a contract I don’t respect them. And he said profit split wasn’t part of it but now saying it was a courtesy. 😂😂 I quicker believe BigFoots side of the story then Joe.

[@Mookrow]

@@TheDundealis that you Joe?

[@rhetoric3701]

We got em !!

[@SaintRoix]

Ok so he did agree on a profit sharing "as a courtesy"

[@sekehi3]

I’m assuming He didn’t have money to pay them a salary when the pod first started- so they did profit sharing- but once the money started to really come in is where things got fuzzy

[@Youknow6969able]

​@@sekehi3there's nothing fuzzy abt it. Lmfao he didn't want to pay them what he promised as a courtesy bc in his mind they didn't work as hard as him.

[@bigc3geminitx40]

Clothing expenses!!!! Who tf would want Joe to pick their wardrobe!! Man he just keeps twisting and spinning… some of that 400k went that waterfront spot he got now!!

[@frazierlori89]

😂😂😂😂😂 can’t even dress exactly

[@CMG810]

Facts!!

[@daminharris3879]

​@frazierlori89 Nah he can't lol wut he jus does now is buy a bunch of designer sshit but has no idea how 2 put anything 2getha lol

[@JennHeartsYou92]

The moment he wear the clothing for anything outside of work, it’s no longer a write off.

[@amidbse]

He’s saying that he could’ve added the clothing as expenses to the budget to lower taxes but it would’ve meant less profit and that he would’ve had to pay R & M less. He was pointing out shortcuts he took in order to pay them a good amount.

[@Nupe-rd7dz]

The KZbin channel was one of the primary distribution channels for the Pod & he profited from his work. lol he stole from them.

[@PapaMojo75]

If you post my likeness on your KZbin I need a TASTE

[@Brownskin111]

Exactly!!! Him rationalizing it any other way is crazy

[@stressfree27]

Joe knows damn well if Rory and mal would’ve started their own KZbin he would’ve been upset. Even with that, if I’m on your KZbin creating content with you then they definitely deserves some of the KZbin money

[@rem0god]

100%!! He upset that Flip has his own network/ KZbin now lol

[@m0ney21401]

Exactly i was just about to type this before i saw your comment smh its easy to gas light after the fact and say he would've been cool with that but we know the truth

[@anm_96]

He said he would. Mal said Joe told him if they start another podcast he’d sue them😂 Joe is so full of ish🤦‍♂️

[@akeemalston7506]

@@rem0godhow’s that when Flip’s been having his own?

[@akeemalston7506]

@@anm_96that was once they broke up which he had the right to do but didn’t. Whether worked out then contract talks or what n

[@heem3991]

If a person is a percentage based earner and can’t see the percentages of course they’ll assume they’re getting stolen from. There was a pod when he said he’d never pay them a certain dollar amount if the pod made millions and they both told him that’s not how percentages work.

[@bandhere728]

Yup and once again as always Joe changed the narrative. One minute they weren’t allowed to see the accounting because it wasn’t in their contract and then the next minute he says oh they misread the accounting. But Joe I thought they couldn’t see the accounting how did Rory and Mal misread it lol. The man makes no sense and constantly contradicts himself so he doesn’t exposes his own lies.

[@yoninja9164]

Lol Joe a narrative twister. He was talking about stick to the contract thats what R&M was saying that he is not sticking to the contract. If they was profit sharing then give them their share of profits period. If he wanted them to pay for production then that should be in the contract but it wasn't especially if you are getting the biggest slice of the pie why would I help pay for production. Unlike the new cast yall agreed on a dollar amount. Id you are profit sharing then R&M needs to see profits being made and hell it may go up or down if profits was down im sure he wouldn't habe mind showing the accounting

[@colliscrews3727]

If Joe didn't stick to the contract, why not just sue him?

[@yoninja9164]

@@colliscrews3727 No disrespect but people are cut from a certain cloth and you are not which is ok. But certain people can look at someone and say damn we are supposed to be friends and you are willing to throw away our friendship for some money. And say you know what keep the money and never F with them again which R&M chose to do. Another thing sometimes its not worth it you would have to hire an entertainment lawyer and an auditor to go over contracts and back track things which could add up to more than what he owes them which is not worth it. And obviously its not because they weren't hurting for the money and they landed on their feet its just the principle of him trying to twist the story and lie about certain things that makes them talk about it. So not everything is worth a lawsuit its not like they suing someone for some millions now That's a different story

[@colliscrews3727]

@@yoninja9164 I hear you, it's just that I don't understand why they keep talking about if no constructive action follows?

[@joeclark4eva]

This is where my problem comes from. Profit sharing is a completely subjective term. Profit is after all the expenses are taken out. From the beginning he always encouraged them to capitalize on the popularity of the podcast brand. They should've. As an owner, everything I touch can be an expense and I can control the amount of your salary if I choose to. I would always know they gave minimal effort on the show. They didn't act like they were part owners... So much was wrong with their situation on both sides.

[@yoninja9164]

@@colliscrews3727 Well im a watcher of both and I honestly can say the only time they ever really talked about it was the very first episode of their new pod when they pretty much said everything that happened. Outside of that they either get asked a question about the break-up and they answer it or they just take a shot at Joe or Joe taking a shot at them. But its both sides still talk about it and they do it no matter if Mal wants to admit it or not it brings in views when they talk about each other. Im over it but there are plenty of people who still want to hear about it

[@angelsambition2179]

Idk why we stay on this if there’s never going to be a resolution to it lol

[@ronj77]

Such a Great & Classic Spaces from last year‼️💯🔥

[@tone3587]

1. Joe ever talking about contracts and in context of someone else not respecting one, will always be hilarious. This man gonna die a hypocrite. 2. “Well which one is it? Was it I stole or was it that you signed something you shouldn’t have? It can’t be all these different things” …yeah.. yeah it sure can lol How can anyone not see right thru this dude every time he speaks? He’s gonna try and tone of voice yall into thinking he’s a high class mogul every time

[@akeemalston7506]

Well two things can be true, if you sign something be prepared to handle it how you do and deal with what comes with it n

[@bandhere728]

Thank you lol. I can hear the BS as always. Joe keep changing narratives and tries to sound smarter than he thinks he is.

[@JUSTISEJAY]

This is like the cashier working at the gas station for a few years, then going to the owner asking to be an owner. GTFOH

[@Youknow6969able]

@@JUSTISEJAY you seriously can not b this uninformed. Your analogy is as effective as your iq.

[@Ember_Janer]

Joe didn’t finesse them dudes man. They business acumen is lacking

[@Deemo7373]

@@Ember_Janer his was as well

[@Ember_Janer]

@@Deemo7373 That’s true but that doesn’t necessarily mean he stole. I think R&M simply didn’t understand they worked for Joe. That’s really what this boils down to. That part I do blame Joe for. Allowing them to believe they were actual equal partners.

[@MrCHB4life]

@@Ember_JanerNaw yall gotta stop defending Joe. If you have a profit sharing agreement and the person refuses to let you see the contracts how do you know you’re getting the correct amount. Like if the Spotify deal was 15 mill and Joe is lying saying it was 5 mill but won’t show you the contract, that is Joe finessing them. It’s obvious he was hiding money. Thats Joe being a scumbag and doing bad business not Rory & Mal lacking in business acumen.

[@habadasheryjones]

I think Rory and Mal's mistake was watching Joe screw over music labels/execs for years and thinking it could never happen to them. Like how do you go into business with someone used to playing like a snake when it comes to business and then act surprised when you eventually get some fangs in you? I ain't going to bat for music execs/labels, either. I'm just saying Joe seems very used to acting funny when a bag is involved.

[@bandhere728]

You’re right but we all have our blind spots with when it comes to friends and family. Like Rory and Mal said this all could have been prevented if they didn’t let Joe slide for so long just because we were “friends”, and that them holding themselves accountable unlike Joe. If he is this Big boss as he claims to be don’t screw over your crew or even your friends who even mutual and industry friends said have held you down better than other celebrities friends he had during his rap career.

[@daviddawson1423]

Yeah Joe sounds crazy. And every time he talks about this I understand Rory and Mal more and more. The JBP with Rory and Mal brought views to that KZbin channel so that should have been a part of the profit they shared. Him saying they could see accounting anytime but that is where is stops sounds absolutely crazy. "Here's the accounting, oh a $400K mistake? Welp, sorry your contract says you can see the numbers but can't ask questiuons" is NUTS. I could go on and on but the new cast is smart for doing business the way are they are doing it. GREAT podcaster but he can't be trusted when it comes to integrity and looking out for your "friends" or partners.

[@bandhere728]

Facts 💯💯💯

[@CheifSy]

As someone who has a KZbin with 25k subs and a IG with over 500k followers, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FN MIND…. So I put in OVER A DECADE of Building a platform , you (Rory n Mal) are NOBODIES… Mal doesn’t even show up until 70 episodes in … so now because you built a name off my back and my platform that means you should now get a percentage? and I’m paying you 40k a month already??? I SOMETIMES HATE FANS OPINIONS

[@sinamen516]

Joe shouldve started a separate KZbin for the pod with R&M just like Shannon Sharpe did when he started Nightcap w Ocho. It was on Shay Shay until it took off. Seems like Joe wanted to hog the KZbin coins.

[@MrBlackVision]

Or maybe Rory and mal should’ve made their own KZbin page…Joe used to tell them start a pod all the time and they would say “Naw”…them soon has they spilt they did everything he told them to do😂

[@frozenwater5113]

@@MrBlackVision if Joe wasn’t breaking them off even a small amount of money from his KZbin for their content what makes you think he would allow them to take that same content he’s trying to monetize and then use it on their own private KZbin channel 😂😂

[@jcallwood25]

@@MrBlackVisionwhy would they need to start a pod when they were already on one of the biggest podcasts? That's just him trying to deflect from paying them what he should've for the pod that they were already on. And to think he called them his friends. But Rory and Mal should've had their business together way before. It's also on them how they allowed him to treat them.

[@2slickE13]

@@jcallwood25 because Joe kept saying if you want that 100m plus bag you either need a network with multiple shows or be rogan

[@AllanDanja]

​@@MrBlackVisionin one of Joe's rants after they broke up he mentioned a "non compete" clause in their contract, probably meaning while working for him the only way they could have started something if he owned it as well

[@raphael9783]

He wrong. No one one was checking for his youtube before the podcast. His page got profitable off the back of what they all put into.

[@chiefsoze3272]

Doesn't matter...the page was up before they took off...all mal & rory had to do was start their own page

[@raphael9783]

@chiefsoze3272 what's 100% of nothing? Vs 80% of 100,000?

[@hexiestmanintheworld]

Man, I couldn’t agree with you more. I paid a coworker $300k one year and he pulled a Rory and Mal. Became a complete snake.

[@Theramblingzulu]

How do you pay a "coworker" 300K??sounds more like they were a partner, unless you owned the company/business and they were your employee???

[@Deemo7373]

U clearly are clueless and don't know what you're talking about

[@jaylynzakikhani4223]

​@Theramblingzulu im pretty sure crodie was being sarcastic

[@lpthewave5829]

U invested right in this topic. Joe will be talking about this break up until 2030.

[@NaKylaAlexia]

The way Joe talk to people is crazy 😭 it’s so hard to believe anything he says!

[@HandlenastyUchiKage]

Where’s the original audio from this convo? Post the link please

[@theusu7178]

This man sounds completely different to his Complex days and “creators” narrative. Back then it was Partnerships and a lot of togetherness. Now it’s a “courtesy and paperwork”. Dudes a clown, he manipulates slow people.

[@bandhere728]

Yup💯

[@MrCHB4life]

Tax said it years ago and he was 100% right. Joe surrounds himself with low IQ people who he can easily manipulate and take advantage of. People thought he only did this with women but it looks like thats how he picks his friends too. Dude is a true narcissist

[@dropshadow90305]

I like Joe as a media personality. But he did some slimeball shit to his friends. I haven’t been able to look at him the same since.

[@bandhere728]

Facts same here.💯

[@DARYDARKO]

They were employees…who worked for their friend. If my friend builds a podcast from the ground up and all I do is show up, I’m not complaining bout any paper I get from it. And if I feel uncomfortable about it, I dip. Simple

[@RetiredNoGooder]

I wish Joseph Carmelo Anthony Budden story would stop changing . Least I can say that R&M just wanted to see the numbers and pay the team. Joe keep rewriting history. Becareful Flip

[@bandhere728]

Yup. Even though Flip is an employee a small part of flip is seeing how Joe does bad business but at the same time Flip does need to stop with checking Joe finances. If Flops wants a raise he has to wait for Joe to sign a new deal (which don’t exist anymore) or wait till Joe hits the lottery 😅

[@Youtube_is_Trash]

Joe : "I don't want to pay labor"

[@arxvphoto809]

Wait I don’t get the static.. if he’s the outright owner of the production.. it’s literally the JBP.. why are they entitled to anything more than what he sets? They’re cohosts, not partners on paper. While I always agreed that he was disrespectful in the way shit went down, business wise he’s not wrong at all. Mal and Rory always been kinda blurry on the details and specifics and this is why. Technically he could’ve paid them nothing and if they continued to show up voluntarily they’d have little to stand on. They admittedly made a lot of bread, but just felt entitled to have a say in the overall business decisions, which is at Joes discretion to choose.

[@MrCHB4life]

because they had a profit sharing agreement. That means they are entitled to the percentage they agreed on. Problem is the pod started making alot of money and that percentage became more than Joe wanted to pay them so he did some scumbag shit and hid money from his “friends”

[@omillionairetees9178]

Joe acts like he's so happy with the new crew koz they don't ask questions lmao... well duh they didn't help you make it ofcourse they can't have the same quarrels as rory and mal

[@bandhere728]

lol facts 💯💯

[@everybodyknowsamike1840]

lol Joe thinking he somehow wasn’t grimey is exactly why nothing he does will never be where he wants it to be..acting like Rory and mal was tripping over nothing..his current cast will eventually be where his old cast is.. the next one after that too

[@bandhere728]

That’s the funny thing Rory and Mal were cool with following Joe lead and actually cared about the podcast they helped build. Even their mutual and industry friends have said Joe had solid and actual good friends like Rory and Mal because they see how they move and they move like other bad people in the industry. So if their mugs friend can speak so highly of Rory and Mal why in the work does Joe keep painting them as bad guys. We can even ask the other podcast Joe had working for him and those girls till this day have nothing negative to say about Rory and Mal just mainly Joe.

[@htdrake134]

Nah at this point i feel like you got a wall in your house with newspaper clippings and strings attached connecting each lead. Go be a detective for real we need you out here getting to the bottom of these crimes fr you too good 😂😂😂

[@jerromiwatson7685]

Y’all go back to the old episodes and everything Joe said lines up! Rory and Mal wanted Joe spot and gave minimal effort. The success was them roasting and being immature. Mal on his phone more then Flip 😂

[@fortylovestyle2789]

I love that picture of Rory and Mal and Baisley. I wanna frame it and put it on my wall.

[@AlmondGlazedSunrise]

Good content. 7:58 what's that beat/song?

[@FanDallas9488]

I'm glad Joe directly talked about it instead of dancing around it

[@nikkideevah]

Are you serious Joe has changed the story a million times now lol

[@diontaerespress3602]

I understand where Joe is coming from. As a business man myself on GTA V I hate when my colleagues what a bigger split when I'm footing the bill for a heist.

[@darrellr8534]

I'm with Joe. I had no idea about Rory and Mal but they were great additions to the start of the pod. Joe is the headliner, they didnt know their place. AND that's showbiz folks. KNOW YOUR ROLE.

[@threattonature]

It seems obvious that the profit split was for the Joe Budden Podcast while Joe signed the deal with Spotify, CashApp, youtube as himself or his production company. That allowed him to then assign a certain dollar amount to the podcast profits while using the rest however he deemed fit such as adding on the other podcasts to the network. Joe hinted at that when he kept saying they were only entitled to the podcast profits but that they wanted some of the profit from Joe Budden. Contractually I'm guessing Joe had something in there that he had the ability to control what was considered podcast expenses and profits so suing would do them no good because Joe got to determine what money is dished out to the pod.

[@ree3119]

bingo

[@Deemo7373]

@@threattonature u are stating what rory and Mal already said lord!

[@bandhere728]

No but that’s also wrong as well. All the deals that Joe got is supposed to split with them according their agreement. Joe 50%, Rory and Mal-25% each and from their like Rory and Mal said they put that money right back into the podcast expenses. Because that’s literally how the rest of the crew got paid along with the equipment and production cost. Joe didn’t just have these multimillion dollars laying around paying people all three of them were supporting the podcast and that what Joe keep lying about.

[@tamarageorge858]

@@bandhere728that part

[@michaelalgarin2631]

Rory and Mal could’ve used the Joe budden podcast to start their own KZbin but a meeting with Elliot is an issue?😂😂😂

[@andrecampbell5931]

Facts.... He clearly stated that they only came to work, podded, and left and didn't really care about the pod, but as soon as Rory took the meeting, he cussed him out and told him he can't make any decisions about his pod. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ Hypocrite

[@Mack716]

Joe you stole from them its ok 😭

[@Evening2020]

Making a video talking abiut how interesting something is instead of making an interesting video is wild😂😂

[@thetchthegreat]

We are still on this?

[@staple55]

Bro said you can only ask for the accounting.. Asking questions isn't in the contract 😂😂😂 that's crazy..

[@ruggiehowser]

Bruh it's like 6 years later we still on this?!?

[@TheStop]

*3

[@onecircle1ent]

I know mal feeling crazy about that Kendrick shit lol

[@ThePsychologistYT]

I think you feel slighted just like all of us who were invested in the trio, most of us just moved on or got over it, then theres some of us that we're traumatized by it. Its the real reason your channel is striving by just covering the traumatic event.. keep doing it, but i have a due diligence to connect nform you on why you do it so you can have awareness so when you finally seek the truth you've been after... You can move on..verses respond in a isolated fanatic manner. Heal brother.

[@Dmajor213]

Son really just talks slowly and with conviction, and only if you want to believe he wasn’t snaking them dudes will you hear that he wasn’t snaking them dudes.

[@Therealfaxkellerman]

Joe went from partners to employees so yes…they negotiate via their contract negotiations

[@almlamptey7414]

Joe be talking in circles like a politician

[@untuchablemizz1]

Just say revision or something like that in the title unless something new comes up. We clock it thinking its new info because THAT would be interesting

[@jkrystal4488]

This why you can’t do business with friends, cuz the friends get it misconstrued

[@leninveras9223]

It’s what the cops do 😅 you the cops now Danny? 😂

[@talesfromthetrenches9382]

Well I mean he did have that KZbin channel years before the pod and had a lot of content on there

[@jeandidieryao8840]

If he did something wrong then go to court. If contracts were violated then go to court or shut up about it if you not gonna do it.

[@Deemo7373]

@jeandidieryao8840 how to u gon tell them when and what to bring up in what THEY experienced dis u forgot Joe started all this shii

[@Celigi]

Wow i’m shocked Joe is Talking to Danny still 👏 👏 👏 Good shit Danny 💪😂😂😂

[@Ready2MeetEm]

This is why you should never do business with “friends”.

[@oceancity5776]

Everytime I did I got robbed

[@bmomouse6859]

I understand the point, but it can be done. The real lesson should be “never do business with Joe Budden”

[@Shay416]

Joe was never their friend...

[@bandhere728]

@@bmomouse6859yup 💯

[@bandhere728]

@@Shay416nah he was definitely their friend. But like we as always money corrupts and changes people and only a select few know how to handle this change or not and as we see Joe completely switched up.

[@bandhere728]

Look long story short Joe needs to stop changing the story up. Rory and Mal helped build that podcast with Joe and we’re not greedy with the ones they received from the podcast. They literally put that money back into podcast expenses because they wanted to help get Joe podcast to Joe Rogan level of success (which it was before the break up), and keep the crew around them happy. Noticed how the other female led podcast who were working for Joe all left his network and when asked about Rory and Mal they all say the same thing it’s nothing but love but when it comes to Joe they have nothing but issues with him and yet Joe keeps painting this narrative that Rory and Mal were lazy and ungrateful when we ourselves as a fanbase saw the work all three of them put into making this podcast successful. We were fans of all 3 of them including Parks so I can’t understand why we can’t be honest and see that Joe mess up this situation. Rory and Mal took accountability for not handling their business with Joe right but tier than that they stayed 10 ties with Joe and never snaked him like he got snaked when he was a rapper. But yet they’re the bad guys when Joe literally keeps changing the story and Rory and Mal have had the same exact story from day one. They challenged Joe twice now to expose their contracts live on air at Joe current podcast and Joe still be running from their request and we know why he does he because hell finally be exposed as liar and have his podcast image in question. So yes enough of this subject, both parties landed and found new sucess.

[@TechTualChatter]

I’m with Joe on KZbin thing because How it works in the background is hard for you to divy up money from stuff I’ve had on here for years.

[@MrCHB4life]

Its not hard at all 😂 you can literally look at what each video made. Nobody is saying pay them for those bum ass vlogs from 15 years ago but they 100% deserved their cut of the hundreds(or thousands) of JBP videos uploaded to the channel

[@TechTualChatter]

@@MrCHB4life it’s hard unless you do a percentage per month on certain videos which can fluctuate. I don’t even think KZbin has a backend system that helps with that at this moment. Much easier to put someone on 1099 or salary with a bonus structure

[@727towingtransportllc4]

Looking back at this he didn’t want half ass ppl on the team !

[@juicemyster3578]

Lmaooo They definitely should be getting paid from KZbin

[@crowded_spaces]

I think Joe’s biggest mistake was continuing to pay them the same money after the Spotify deal was up. I think the profit after expenses was significantly lower and decided to pay them like life was good. I think the issue came when money started to be injected they felt the expenses were being fudged and thought they were owed more. Essentially both sides are half right. Rory and Mal shouldn’t have accepted the continued money even though profits were down. Joe shouldn’t have paid them bc when the pros go up your friends won’t give a damn about the extra money you paid out of pocket to keep them afloat. They gonna just keep wanting more regardless if you looked out or not. Joe should’ve communicated the move. Rory and Mal shouldn’t have taken the money blindly knowing the pros were gone.

[@bandhere728]

I have to disagree because like Joe said they earned the money they were making regardless, he just keeps changing the narrative and making himself sound dumb. Plus like Rory and Mal said they got a lot of money but they literally put it back into the podcast expense because they rather see this podcast grown to Rogan level status instead of spending their money frivolously. They are literally doing right now with their own podcast especially after their $10 million dollars deal. They’re selling off their merch constantly and selling out sold out tours back to back. Thats them prioritizing the brand and their crew over being greedy and putting themselves first and that what Joe did as soon as he got the big bag money.

[@crowded_spaces]

@@bandhere728 nah they didn’t put money back into the pod. The talked about helping the crew out with money that one time, but other than that they weren’t investing. Joe said they “earned” from a friend’s pov, but according to their contract he paid them more than what they were technically entitled to. I agree once you start your own brand and understand expenses you’d move a little wiser than before. I think Rory’s biggest contention was that he thought expenses for the entire network was being counted before profit splits not just the jbp. I honestly don’t think Mal was wise enough to understand that, but his “real nigga” persona was needed in order to aid Rory in addressing these grievances.

[@bandhere728]

@@crowded_spaces wait hold that thought I know we can go back and forth on who said what. But I’ll just speak to what Rory and Mal have been saying on their platform and other podcasts platform about the podcast split. They said when they first got ad money before the Spotify deal they literally took a small cut and let Joe take the biggest cut, therefore that little ad money they had instead of asking Joe for more they let Joe have the rest to keep producing the (early) JB podcast and Joe can keep getting ads. Then when the Spotify deal happened like always Rory and Mal took their fair share and gave Joe the big money so Joe can start paying parks more along with Savon, Ian, and screen man (Alex) by them taking small percentage of money that is them putting back and investing into the podcast along with their tours that they did and the money they made. People have to remember when Joe started this podcast he had no money (not literally but not enough to set up the podcast like we got it), so he was working at complex to pay his bills/his royalty checks from his music to support his new kid and gf. So originally yes during their time together they never just sat there and collected a check they literally kept helping Joe build this podcast financially and talent wise. Rory and Mal are not going to openly say they helped Joe cover expenses if that wasn’t true when in fact the point of their profit sharing agreement is so that instead of all three of them just taking huge splits of the money they make for themselves, they instead will each take fair shares so then their enough left over to pay for whatever expenses are needed for the podcast without digging in their own pockets. In 2020 when we was shut down Joe said it himself on a zoom episode “(thank god you ninja ain’t bougie with yall money because we got no deals coming right now)”. And Rory said “yeah as always I’m saving my money and whatever we need for the podcast he has it to contribute” (Mal shared the sentiment). So when Joe got the cash app deal and the patreon deal Rory and Mal said Yoo that’s a lot of money and instead of giving us our fair share take away more of our money so you can pay the crew and keep up production since everyone was burnt out with the constant podcasting. So in conclusion yes Rory and Mal always gave up money to keep the podcast going, Since the start of the podcast Joe may have took some of his own money and stretched it to cover things as a boss but Rory and Mal didn’t not leave him hanging with these big bills.

[@weirdartsociety]

I always agreed with him on the KZbin. You can go make your own.

[@jehrardmartin4340]

This is a dangerous person to have as a friend. Wow, just wow

[@xDonJuanx]

Whenever I read the comments on this situation it's clear who understands business and who doesn't. Joe did nothing wrong business-wise.

[@victor-jo7wt]

they're gonna be throwing subs about this 10 years from now still lmfaoo

[@pootiehaze6466]

I hate that people cry when they don't educate themselves, especially in business. Only our people go thru this it's annoying. Where is the court case? If there was really a theft, there would be no talking. Just pay me what you owe😒 Weird behavior to send shots but never send a summons 😂

[@Deemo7373]

@pootiehaze6466 lies! Nothing weird about not wanting to take a friend u luv to court everybody ain't money hungry

[@jrkinley]

His KZbin rationale was nasty lol . Dont signed with the JBN you’ll be in a 720 deal 😂

[@RoamFM]

I been unscubcribed to this channel, how hell did this pop up on my feed😂 This is a dead issue. It's multiple sides to every story, but pocket watching should have an experation date. It would be more entertaining if they just box it out. Lol

[@apexhacker346]

If someone give me 40k/month I'm not arguing NOTHING!!!

[@Sirlance87]

My god these guys are still bringing up this.

[@fortylovestyle2789]

They’ve already told their story. Over and over and over again lol. Some things are more important than money. I’m with Mal. It’s his real life not just content.

[@Therealfaxkellerman]

Damn Joe still talking about this

[@Lover-ur4te]

I’ll say this: this KZbin thing specifically, depends on what’s in their contract. If they were indeed profit share profits for all things on the pod, the deserved and were entitled to money from that. BUT, if they were paid as employees to do a service, they aren’t entitled to that money. If the contract says, you get $30k/month to record and that’s it, then that’s it. It’s all depending.

[@MrCHB4life]

both sides have said many times they had a profit sharing agreement

[@Lover-ur4te]

@@MrCHB4life well then, I already responded to that

[@GraffitiBleu]

I don't know who's right. And I don't know who's wrong. And I don't have any money invested on Who's justified here? That being said, I know that both feel justified in their side of their truth, on the Joe side, me being a creator myself and an independent artist myself. I know that there are many that feel entitled. To your gifts, as a creator and don't want to do any of the work. And all they want to do is stand next to you. While you do the work, I'm not saying that's what Rory and Mal are doing, but I would not be shocked if that in essence is what they were doing..

[@sarabee6967]

This is a genuine question- I am not seeing how Joe is a “snake”? Joe develops a show, invites people to co-host, allows them to use the IP to develop their own space (which they ultimately did), and they were paid as contractors so they’re paid in accordance to the hours they worked.. I really don’t see the “manipulation” on Joe’s part.. genuinely. I think the biggest issue is proximity- when people are close to you, they feel entitled to stuff.. but I’d love to hear another pov..

[@nikkideevah]

You must dont know Joe's track record, he has changed the story 10 million times by now.

[@sarabee6967]

@@nikkideevah I don’t… it’s always these types of comments but no-one explains or how he has changed the story.. this is why I’m asking.

[@carloshall621]

I will say this Joe is Joe so he will always be good but Roy & Mal have learned alot from Joe and are now developing into there own

[@brickywatters4571]

You prolly gonna do the documentary first lol

[@LzyArt]

No one knows what the truth is, but Rory and Mal need to take it to court or move on. Taking shots at one another and calling Joe a thief for umpteenth years is entertaining but hasn't resolved a thing. I don't care about exposing you as a thief, I'm going to get what I'm owed.

[@TheBigAramakiStan]

If they had a valid case they would’ve took it court

[@rem0god]

Rory and Mal did move on, Joe is the one bringing it up again. And I think they did move on because Joe TOLD them it was going to be XYZ vs the wording in the contract. For example the contract could say you get paid for the “Podcast”. Then Joe uploads to the KZbin which may or may not be considered the “Podcast” but tells them yea yt is part of the payout. Without accounting they don’t have a case, which is what they were looking for. Last thing you wanna do is take someone to court without hard proof.

[@Deemo7373]

@@TheBigAramakiStan lies

[@LzyArt]

​@@TheBigAramakiStan I arrived at the same conclusion.

[@TheBigAramakiStan]

@@Deemo7373 what’s the lie? They aren’t poor lol if their case is valid why haven’t they sued? No one is going to just leave owed money on the table😂

[@johnathanswearengen8807]

You got beef with need to know podcast?

[@michaelletona6228]

Basically Rory and Mal should be happy Joe even got them on the podcast because it’s his KZbin that wasn’t getting any views prior to them being on the podcast lmao the new cast are workers that happen to be friends and associates , the old cast build this platform with Joe & got done dirty for wanting to find out what Joe always finds out at platforms he works at and ad ventures he goes into , the details and Analytics of what’s going on while he’s present

[@OneFoursEmperor]

Danny defo follow up on that web & nitty contract. I wanna know more.

[@Wavy_Potts]

I agree.. I dont think he stole.. but he started to look at them as overpaid, lazy and entitled. They want him to be the villain 100% and he wants to take no blame in what happened.. Both parties sound like they did some bullshit and have learned from it, more importantly theyre all doin well.

[@PapiFrancos]

All it sounds like to me is Joe was in the right business wise but a shitty friend about it

[@maxwellbrisk5622]

Always thought Rory and Mal were boring af and the reason why I never completed an ep of them.

[@KEMBEE319]

why you use that pic?!?!!😮