Why Mace Windu Didn't Tell Yoda Palpatine Was a Sith Lord - Star Wars Explained

[@snorlaxmunch8675]

To me it seemed Yoda wanted to do things carefully and cautiously, while Mace wanted to take immediate action and figure things out after

[@theramplocal]

In mace's defense, his lightsaber is the one that says bad muthaf ucka on it

[@HP3TV]

One was.considerably older than the other. Patience typically grows over time with experience..

[@JV-NY987]

If it wasn't for that traitor Skywalker I would have succeeded

[@TheFirstCurse1]

@@JV-NY987 "Ah, Master Windu!"

[@JV-NY987]

@@TheFirstCurse1 "In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic... you are under arrest, Chancellor."

[@johnbarrow7639]

I said it many times, Mace Windu being a master of, "Shatterpoint." Which means he can see different outcomes in situations like a fork in the road. That's why he said to Anakin, how he sensed something in him, ( meaning Anakin,) that was causing conflict so to stay out of it for his own good. As for Yoda, he's always put trust in the Masters on the council to follow the force, therefore bringing about the will of the force: I truly believe if Anakin Skywalker would had listen to master Mace Windu. Not only would Padme have lived but Anakin would have never fell to the dark side, and Palpatine dead by the hand of Windu.

[@Aristocratic13]

Naw Sidious would have clapped Mace cheeks I can’t see no other outcome

[@johnbarrow7639]

I say tomato you say tomat. 🤣

[@harleyalderson3533]

​@DJ Moon Knight that's doubtful Windu was totally tapping into the dark side and was becoming more powerful than sidious by the moment. It wasn't until windu got distracted by Anakin's arrival that he got of his zone. Sidious was getting his ass kicked up to that point

[@TheOnlyWalton66]

Windu beat palps. Hands down. Ive heavily said otherwise untill recently.

[@Aristocratic13]

@@harleyalderson3533 wait I never knew that he was tapping into the dark side. I know his form and kyber color includes some darkside power.

[@samueltournan4415]

The real problem is that not Mace nor Yoda knew who they could trust given that the Chancelor was a Sith Lord.

[@leerogish7223]

Agreed communication could be tapped

[@DeadshotDad]

But the thing is they ruled out the chancellor without throughly vetting him as a viable suspect. They messed up sending obi-wan to utapau or by not just sending anakin with him. The chancellor could not have made his move without anakin being close to him. Mace even says to obi-wan that it was dangerous to put anakin and the chancellor close to one another and they still did.

[@AHDudeGuy]

I think that Mace didn't fully trust/believe Anakin's report and, consequently, may not have reported what was happening to Yoda. If I remember correctly, after Anakin told him about Palps, he said something to the effect of "if you're right, this will prove to me that you're trustworthy" or whatever.

[@glasses685]

Of course Mace believed him, why else would he have immediately tried to arrest Palpatine? And it's not like Mace didn't already distrust Palpatine anyway. I agree with the video. Most likely Mace did tell Yoda and and it just happened offscreen.

[@Gokiza]

Mace literally took Anakin’s report and played his need to investigate further as a hunch.

[@vanmoody]

@@glasses685 While they were on the transport Mace said, "the dark side surrounds the Chancellor."

[@wchv94str9]

@@glasses685 werent the jedi planning on removing palpatine from office after the death of grevious if he did not relinquish his emergency powers ?

[@trevorhogen7761]

It was "If what you told me was true, you will have gained my trust."

[@jeffreed3443]

Because Samuel L Jackson ain’t no snitch and handles his own business

[@bryanricketts8637]

😂😂

[@chiquita683]

Then gets murked

[@sn1per194]

But in Tales of the Jedi he rats out Qui-Gon ... 😮

[@tylerrandall43]

It’s not snitching if the whole Jedi Council should have known about it

[@jeffreed3443]

@@sn1per194 that was in house

[@RunToEternity]

If Yoda had a different opinion than Mace, he would have known. So by not saying, Yoda said he trusted Mace Windu to do what he did. Yoda underestimated the power of the dark side, that is Yoda thought Mace Windu sufficient enough to handle this. Yoda didn't fully understand his mistake until Palpatine was force throwing senator booths at him, dozens.

[@kwametodd6094]

But technically Mace was enough at least to arrest Sidious. And honestly Saber wise enough to defeat him. I think Windu's mistake was he went for the arrest first instead of going for the kill. It's a Sith and the most powerful at that. The whole unarmed opponent goes out the window

[@leerogish7223]

I don’t think he did. While yoda was the grand master he trusted mace’s leadership and decision making on his feet. As far as they knew communication could be tapped and palpatine was about to make a move so there was no time or safe way to talk to yoda.

[@Mediocre_Spidey]

his arrogance blinded him

[@ajbeasley2771]

I think mace was worried that this was all part of sideous’s plan so he tried to throw sideous off his game by acting immediately

[@joshuadesautels]

YODA was worried that getting the Jedi to act RASHLY was part of Sidious's plan.

[@ZeldaSam1]

7:22 Damn Windu!!! & the Jedi thought Anakin was the reckless 1.

[@gumdeo]

Mace was like, I am going to end this NOW.

[@levimayer8949]

I think that Windu contacted Yoda based off the way Yoda acts when Obi-Wan is watching the security holograms of Vader killing Younglings.

[@nodatastored684]

Yoda would have ordered the Temple younglings and kids evacuated and the Remaining Jedi commanders to all return and some to guard the youth

[@ryanhernandez5632]

As a simple man of the galaxy all I can say is a slow poison is still as lethal as a fast one. Jedi, sith both effected the republic in positive and negative ways. And like the sith empire, and the emperial empire, the republic is destined to fall to its own corruptions. All the jedi did was slow the sickness, they could never cure it and any attempt to do so only made it worse later on.

[@a.c.slater7989]

If Palpatine wasn't chancellor the separatists probably just get their own little corner of the galaxy and it's all peace and prosperity

[@richardched6085]

"We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive." Mace was already going to arrest Palpatine with 3 Jedi Masters before Anakin told him. The mission remained the same.

[@eds1942]

Yoda: “Cautious you must be Master Windu. The high-ground, we do not have. Input from other Masters, we will need. May the Force Be With You.” Mace: “And with you Master Yoda. (Mace turns off the holocom, takes a moment to gather his thoughts, then laughs) Mace: “Finally! I’m going to enjoy taking that MF down.” (He walks into the mess hall with a big smile on his face, finds three Masters at the corner table playing sabacc or maybe pazaak. Iron Mace doesn’t know, doesn’t care for, doesn’t have time for such frivolous activities. He walks over to them and asks the three masters to accompany him on a social to the High Chancellor’s office to discuss “taxes”. The three are perplexed as to why Master Windu would be so exuberant about a social call and to discuss taxes no less. But follow him anyway.) Mace: (lol, that takes care of caution and the input of other masters. Now what about the high ground?) Mace: “Just stand on the entry level. And follow my led. This is going to be a good night! A damn good night!” (The three Masters share a look with each other. And one them psychically tells the other two: “I have a bad feeling about this.” Another sends: “you know it’s never going to be good when Master Windu gets into these moods.” The last sends: “there’s still time. We could just tell him that the food in the mess was turning our stomachs and need to visit the refresher.” The first sends: “You think Iron Stomach Mace will buy that? Let’s just play along.” The last sends: “If this goes badly, drinks are on you.”)

[@TheNickHilbert]

My headcanon was always that Mace was second in charge behind Yoda so with him on Kashyyyk that made Mace acting GM and therefore didn’t need, much less have time to ask for, Yoda’s thoughts/permission. I haven’t gotten that far yet in Legends books yet lol

[@yokai333]

I figure that yoda gave the go ahead with mace but cautioned any probable actions in order to make the transition ease safely to a new election, but given resources, time, and windu being reactive. I doubt it would be that simple of a delegation that went unwritten, but it makes sense

[@alexmc7798]

I suspect there was a spoken agreement or understanding that in the event the identity of Dooku’s master ever became known, it would be a case of strike fast, strike first.

[@spencerchartier2677]

I think that mace was just trying to act as quickly as possible and of course the first thing he would do is tell Yoda Then immediately try to arrest the chancellor it’s the only course of action that makes sense

[@brokenbridge6316]

I think Mace should've had Bail Organa put Order 65 into effect before trying to arrest Palpatine. It was something he did fear a lot.

[@ironman44320]

Also in the novelization Windu, a master of Shadow Point technique had sense a shatter point around Palpatine and Anakin but he had never been sure of what it was, until it was too late....

[@mikeroberts2077]

I think windu and Yoda could communicate through the force even over great distances. You can see it a couple times in the movies usually when the council would agree. For example when obi wan says he will train anikan and Yoda states the council agrees after a brief pause.

[@rbnsWRLD]

i think he gave him the green light cause mace was clearly more than capable of defeating palps, they just didnt forsee the betrayal. especially with the prophecy

[@ColdFusion365]

The Jedi Council was incredibly wary 😒 when it came to Palpatine. Too many times he intervened into Jedi affairs and it was very unnerving. They sensed a dark aura around Palpatine but wouldn’t believe he was the Sith Lord they were told about by Dooku. But instead believed he was being intimidated and manipulated. Mace sensed a plot to destroy the Jedi and most likely figured after what Anakin told him to move quickly after consulting Master Yoda first. The Jedi had became weaker in The Force. Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan had a private meeting on this subject because they felt the sudden shift in The Force and couldn’t understand why. More than likely since the Jedi became weaker in The Force he figured they had to move quickly in numbers to take down Palpatine. But underestimated how much stronger he became with the Dark Side. And never suspected Anakin would betray him in an act of desperation.

[@timwhite5562]

That second Jedi that Palpatine killed had the most unconvincing death on screen since the cowboy shows and movies in the 1950s, when they get hit by an arrow and die immediately.

[@ThatGuy76985]

In canon Palpatine was moving so fast it was almost impossible to keep up except for Windu. The movie doesn’t do it justice

[@therealspaceranger]

Love your channel bro!

[@christopherkillian3368]

What Music are you using in this video? I have to know this foreboding Tract it is so fitting for the topic that you are discussing and it fits so well😮

[@Hei_Darkfire]

I'm kinda curious too.

[@evilempire8785]

ya ive asked like 20 times already and no one responds so

[@Hei_Darkfire]

@@evilempire8785 Well, he links a youtube channel that he uses music from. I'm guessing it's probably one of that channel's tracks. I just haven't been able to go through them all to find out if I'm right or not.

[@chiquita683]

This is a Holocron, it cant respond to questions

[@shaydowsith348]

It sounds like some of the music they use for Emperor Valkorian in SWTOR.

[@dylanhazel6797]

Ahhh got to love it when you wake up to these videos, star wars lore is one of my favorites

[@stevegallo8483]

I'm not convinced that Mace Windu contacted Yoda. Mace would have suspected that Palpatine was monitoring all communications on Coruscant and the Jedi temple. That would mean that Palpatine could figure out what Mace was up to if Mace had contacted Yoda, and Mace would want the element of surprise in confronting a Sith lord.

[@polartang250]

Knowing Windu it was most likely because he was so arrogant and thought he could handle him.

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

Do you need to be reminded that Windu did handle him?

[@polartang250]

@@decepticonxhunter4850 I’m aware I’m just saying what Windu’s thoughts were most likely processing

[@maximillionskywalker9411]

That is definitely NOT the thought process of Mace Windu nor how he operates.

[@mikes8116]

Stupendous, please do a video if Master Plo Koon arriving with Master Mace Windu to arrest the Chancellor and another if Master Plo Koon fought Darth Sidous alone.

[@andydaniels3029]

I think your mention of the earlier conversations between Yoda and Mace Windu in the novelization and the nature of who both are in the Force gives all the information needed to answer the question. I think the reason that the novelization makes no mention of dialogue in the holo-conversation is because, as you rightly I think pointed out, all the pretext that informed any conversation had already been covered previously in past conversation. Moreover, as arguably the two strongest Force-users in the Jedi Order, I think this belies the specific wording of the novelization where it says, "they were of one mind, so there was no need for further conversation." I think that it not only means the obvious, that their previous conversations left nothing to talk about because they'd already come to a conclusion about it, but it also implies that they were communicating telepathically through the Force and being connected by the Force, hence "being of one mind." Being so connected and communicating that way would naturally leave little room for verbal conversation, and that could very well be how Yoda gave him the go-ahead.

[@James34567ful]

Wonder why he didn't bring shaak ti instead of some of the others feel like she was more trained for this situation 😊😊

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

Yoda obviously knew it was Palpatine toward the end, so it's most likely that he actually did hear it from Mace. He probably would have joined in going after Palpatine if he had been close enough to do so, and between the two of them, it actually could have been enough to stop him. Mace being in such a hurry instead of waiting for Yoda was his biggest mistake, and that one decision was what really led to his dying, as he and Yoda each were not far from being strong enough to beat Sidious themselves. Logically, putting them in the same room would have been enough.

[@222revenge]

Hey, stupendous. I love the work you've been doing for Starwars for years! I'm curious what that sith hym is that you are using in your videos. I find it soothing and would like to just play it on loop lol

[@devo1977s]

Legends has it Mace Windu's last sentence to Yoda was "Tic Tock Mother Fucker"

[@DarthMaui]

Head Canon. That's a fun concept. Maybe we all hook up to these stories in our own way with Head Canon.

[@liamwhytcross1034]

I believe yoda would have recalled all combat proficient jedi to the temple and alerted the temple guard before amy action was taken so as to ensure if there was any negative backlash their would be some defensive countermeasures in place

[@Lee___H]

My head cannon is that yoda rushed the arrest of sidious and mace wanted to gather forced before confronting. My reasoning for this thought is yoda takes all of the blame onto himself after his duel with sidious and goes into exile partly because of his rushed plan to arrest sidious was the exact moment of the jedi downfall.

[@Sandlund93]

Not everything needs to be said. As Jedi, both Mace and Yoda knew where they stood with the Sith. And let´s remember that Windu´s team were already on their way to Palpatine´s office when Anakin approached them with further intel. So there really is no mystery, Yoda was already in on the operation. It just turned itself a bit more drastic and desperate when they learned the truth. But the mission was still to make sure that the chancellor relinquished his emergency powers. Mace even responds to the intel about Palpatine being a Sith Lord: "We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive." No matter how patient Yoda may be, even he realized that. Or would have if he was informed, it would have been a pointless conversation. And Mace probably knew him better than anyone, he certainly knew that the time for action had come, there would be time for communication later. Yoda didn´t need to know, not until after the apprehension. Compare it to an agent in the field, they sometimes make decisions in the moment because time is of the essence, they do not communicate everything back to HQ as soon as they learn of it. It would be impractical as a standard operating procedure. And moving against the Sith is SOP for Jedi. Waiting for Yoda to get back from Kashyyyk, or even communicating the further intel to him, might have put them at an even greater disadvantage. They did not know about Order 66, nor did they fully grasp the power of Palpatine, they just knew that it was time to act. And it would have worked too if Anakin didn´t betray them at the last second. Which really came out of nowhere, since he was the one who brought the intel about Palpatine being a Sith Lord. Mace sensed some confusion in him, sure, but if he sensed betrayal or the dark side he would have apprehended Anakin first. It seems to me that Anakin didn´t turn until moments later and by that time Windu was already away. It´s not even certain that he sensed the dark side in Anakin as his arm was chopped off, if he had it would have been a duel like in the videogame and not a complete surprise betrayal. It was wartime and Mace didn´t trust Anakin but he obviously didn´t see that coming. Or the film would have had a different ending.

[@martincamacho2444]

Basically Sidious timed telling the Jedi perfectly where they were all the busy and elsewhere

[@drkinferno72]

He didn't have time, he had to act immediately

[@XanderKaine]

Based on Yoda's reaction to following events and his lack of surprise I think it is possible he was contacted by Mace and that he left it to Mace's judgment and but may have suggested caution that or mace acted on his own without consultation but had sent a communique to yoda for him to review at a latter date because yoda did have upmost faith in Mace's abilities and time was of the essence they believed that they couldn't wait any longer. But they could have held off just a little after all Palps wouldn't pull off his grand plan just yet he needed to be sure that Anakin was on his side.

[@billebrooks]

Yoda seems to have been too caught off guard when order 66 was given to have been forewarned about Palpatine's treachery by Mace. However, if Yoda had been forewarned, it would have better explained how he survived.

[@charlesriley6752]

I think Yoda knew, even before he just couldn't prove it but mace surly contacted Yoda in some form either through the force or message of some type and it would have been cool to see anakin tell mace and Palpatine to fight it out and he sides with the winner instead of interfering mace but that's a what if lol great video as always take care

[@meetdavidothespy]

Windu was absolutely right to do what he did with the information he had. As well as the blessing of none other than Yoda. Little was he to know that 4 Jedi masters would not be enough to arrest Palpatine. However it almost was enough, until the ultimate betrayal by the prior Clone Wars hero, Anakin Skywalker.

[@Artist19]

Considering Clone Wars series I think by this time Yoda knew he was due to going dark side planet. He knew he couldn’t change anything.

[@lorenzog7811]

Mace literally says "we must move quickly if the Jedi are to survive."

[@biingolewis7824]

Mace played it out the best way possible. If he waited for Yoda, it would’ve given Palpatine more time to escape. That would’ve been a missed opportunity. They had to act quickly.

[@joeeaster1528]

After clone wars season 7, i think he didn't trust Yoda as they were suspecting he was influenced by the dark side. He let fear make the decision, and didn't realize it...

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

Like number fo fitty! Great video as always my friend. Keep up the great Star Wars lore

[@Historicutuber]

I always wondered this. Mace knew he had to move quickly

[@OrangeHatReviews]

Could have been that they contacted Yoda while on course to the Chancellor's Office.

[@heathjones25]

Mace exemplified the worst of the Jedi. Prideful, judgmental, and arrogant.

[@gray3182]

😂

[@jsbcody]

I would say that the Jedi Council at that time reflected the worst traits of the Jedi. So, Windu became like them to get on the Council. The Council ended up being one big echo chamber with never a different or dissenting thought.

[@qb6570]

You obviously didn't read the novels or pay attention to the movies. Mace was an excellent judge of character. He was a steadfast rule follower. Pride and arrogance were 2 things he didn't possess.

[@siddreddy1416]

Facts

[@siddreddy1416]

@@qb6570 windu going at Palpatine with just a couple of Jedi, shows how arrogant he was. He led lambs to the slaughter. No clue how powerful a true Sith Lord can be. I don’t single him out though, the Jedi in general were pompous and couldn’t imagine anyone mastering the Force like they did

[@Sosapotence3001990]

Yoda gave the go ahead

[@Gio_EL]

Interesting, so the entire premise of the Republic falling and the Jedi going extinct all boils down to Anakin not having patience, coldnt wait, was to angsty... which by the way is shown a lot in the Clone Wars TV show, the impatience part at least. *Sigh* It always ends up to culminating to or by one moment, one action or decision. Anakin should've taken a breather when Mace told him to stay out of it, he should've think or confide in someone.

[@VestedUTuber]

I think it was Mace trying to finally put the "Chosen One" prophecy to rest. Maybe also lord it over Anakin that "hey, looks like you weren't the chose one after all" or some nonsense like that. Mace Windu is not a level-headed individual at all, and honestly with how he behaves _as_ a master, it's obvious he doesn't actually have control over his emotions.

[@Gamerprice40]

The real tragedy of Revenge of the Sith was that Yoda and Mace Windu weren’t together to confront Palpatine. Had both of them been able to go up against him, Palpatine surely would have met his end. No question about it

[@christophersanchez7731]

He didn’t have a chance to, Mace felt they had to act quickly before Palpatine reacted to him being discovered Although he may have felt himself and other available Jedi Council members was enough to bring down Palpatine, which he grossly underestimated

[@mattschwartz6637]

Mace made an executive decision and tried to nip it in the bud as soon as he could. Not realizing just how powerful Sidious he was.

[@deantefields8488]

Mace probably implored him it was time to move. Yoda understood they had to strike. Probably was reluctant to do so though

[@jacobdrolet4262]

Amazing

[@hudsonb631]

Windu would have absolutely told Yoda or others. The order had been looking for this sith for ages. They knew he would be powerful. In the event he was killed trying to apprehend the sith it would only make sense to let others know so that the information wasn't lost. He wouldn't have just let Anakin be the only one with the information as he didn't fully trust him. I think, unfortunately the story outcome overrode the story details. This would be akin to one of the key CIA directors discovering that a nuke had been planted in DC by an enemy group. Not telling their own organization - that is actively trying to locate the device. and then trying to just deal with it themself with maybe a few of their buds.... Unrealistic or complete incompetence on Windus part. Not to mention.. he had a bit of time to collect a few others for his operation. Certainly he could have gotten a message out to Yoda.

[@jessemilstead810]

A bit long winded of a reply… But in regards to Windu’s confidence… I agree 100 percent. Also with Sidious hiding his true power felt via the force. Mace Windu had absolutely no idea how truly powerful Sidious was. Mace being a confident warrior as he should be. But still cautious to some degree is the better way over believing your confidence regardless. This is true in everyday life. In everything we weak humans do. As important as being confident and being confident in your actions as you do them. Believing your own skill and smarts will make you prevail no matter what. I think yoda as well as Windu couldn’t tell how powerful the dark lord truly was. Giving Windu the go ahead. If Yoda truly knew his power, he would have never let him go and if Windu still did it would have been without Yoda’s blessing.

[@a.c.slater7989]

Mace brought 3 masters with him and won the fight which is confirmed multiple times.

[@lordofpain3476]

Windu didn't tell Yoda that Chancellor Palpatine was a Sith because he knew that Yoda would have tried to stop him . windu being as arrogant as humanly possible wanted the glory of being the one to assassinate Darth Sidious. He knew that Yoda would have contacted the senate and then sent a strike team .

[@petelorimer6252]

I get that Sidious designed the clone wars to purposefully separate the Jedi and this video does explain the chain of thought for Yoda and Mace. What strikes me is that no one thought to put the temple in lockdown or delegate this to Anakin as its clear his feelings are conflicted.

[@donovanmaddox3674]

So I have a question I am hoping you can answer What would have happened if the jedi had been more cautious, and had not attacked Palpatine as quickly as they did?

[@ItzGoldfish1]

Well he was planing to execute order 66 soon anyways. He revealed himself to Anakin so either way he had to order it soon.

[@willryan9563]

This is a good question because Palps used the Jedi's incursion into his office as a "justified" reason to execute order 66 and then turn to the senate and say, "They obviously tried to assassinate me, so we had no choice but to stop all of the Jedi.

[@siddreddy1416]

Jedi council became such a joke by the end, nothing would’ve stopped Palpatine. Qui Gon and Dooku, a few of the Jedi that still had common sense and ears to the street, not being on the council, only furthered their ignorance

[@Violet-uh9fj]

He wanted all the smoke.

[@nickmattio3397]

“GOOOOOOODDD!!! >8•D”

[@mrgangrdon6592]

Mace had to move fast.. even tho he didn’t really trust anakin but knew something off about palpatine.. so when anakin told him it must of hit him straight away the reality of it all.. he was right in what he did and if it wasn’t for anakin he’d still be alive.. he clapped palpatine not only that but he was the only jedi to defeat yoda and had his vapod skills. He didn’t fear anything and was fully confident to fight palpatine.. mace didn’t get fased by him once and in the end brought the most powerful sith lord in the galaxy to his knees.. windu was literally the most powerful being in Revenge Of The Sith without question

[@Reepicheep-1]

"Ep 3 moves fast" Boy, does it! Padme is the obvious clue. She goes from not showing to giving birth in 2 hours. So they squeezed nearly 6 months of time down. Of course they left out a lot.

[@overnightavenger1470]

Takes longer then 6 months lol

[@lewieanderson6579]

Mace would've talked like jules from pulp fiction..."yo little green man...palps is one evil mofo!"

[@tekoneiric]

It was known that Anakin was to close to Palpatine to have a clear focus about him. Mace should have found an excuse to send Anakin off-world on a mission before acting.

[@applemonkey7305]

Because he got purple lightsaber. 😂

[@HotmealV]

We might never knew that the GrandMaster of Jedi would give such order(execute the Sith Lord), or simply a reckless action by Windu himself. In my opinion, Yoda might just say: identify who he is, you must. Report whatever you discovered. And I guess this phrase more likely Yoda would say: Stay where you are, soon there I will be. But the outcome as we know, everything literary went hell mode within a blink...

[@vitalsmile9309]

What happened after anakin found out palpatine was sidious and before he told windu?

[@MultiDarklegacy]

I think mace had every intention to do what yoda would have done and arrest him but then not only was he more powerful than expected he killed three masters right there with no effort so decided on the spot yeah this guys too dangerous

[@arianah9472]

I think Yoda gave him the green light... Saber.

[@richv1893]

Yoda would have taken a much more measured approach instead of the rash decision Mace took, and we all know how that worked out.

[@joshuadesautels]

In the novelization, he did.

[@mikeysmith2999]

The Jedi Council had become complacent and weak. Mace Windu and Yoda were jealous that they weren't the chosen one. If they had tried to help Anakin instead of using him for their own means, maybe things would have worked out differently

[@a.c.slater7989]

They helped him by telling him to relax. Anakin ended up doing the one thing he was trying to avoid because he wanted to control everything

[@mikeysmith2999]

@@a.c.slater7989 Anakin was used and manipulated by the Jedi since he was a child. The only people who cared about him were Qui-Gon Ginn and and his mother

[@a.c.slater7989]

@Mikey Smith As opposed to the sith who manipulated and used him

[@mikeysmith2999]

@@a.c.slater7989 that's my point no one cared about him. The Jedi and Palpatine both just used him to accomplish their own means. If the Jedi weren't so jealous of him and selfish and would've trained him the way they should've, maybe he wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side

[@hyperlightdragon]

What if the Emperor surrendered peacefully, without protest, to play a long game?

[@Spoeism]

I believe Yoda set everyone up on both sides to see the Republic or Empire in order to not threaten his home-world

[@ryangreskoviak4889]

If I was in charge of the Jedi, I would’ve told them all to scatter and go into hiding before making a move to arrest palpatine. Palpatine had control of the republic, and he could turn the republic against the Jedi at any moment. Was there some kind of contingency plan for the Jedi telling them to scatter and go into hiding? And if this protocol was enacted could it have made a difference? What’s your thoughts?

[@orozcocris93]

If Yoda had known, I believe that the order 66 event would have been less catastrophic. Yoda would have likely taken a more cautious approach and would have told all jedi to be mindful of their surroundings. Palpatine would have had his identity blown and the jedi would not trust the clones as they would be under his command

[@commodorezero]

Quite a few of the stronger Jedi would have survived if Mace informed them of the situation. Even if they didn't know about Order 66 specifically they would have expected retaliation in the event Windu and co were defeated.

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

The truth is, there was no right decision. Even if they killed Palpatine, he already won. There was no way the Jedi could fix the damage at that point.

[@rothbardfreedom]

Little both knew about Darth Jar Jar

[@davidsmith7962]

Always wondered that.

[@Leondrius]

I think Mace must've had the authority to do such things.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsaiyan]

I think Mace Windu wanted to prove to everyone that he was the true chosen one and not Anakin

[@shawnpage6333]

I wonder why after order 66, the remaining jedi didn't just show the recordings of clones killing the Jedi younglings in the temple during operation nightfall to the cement

[@Ryukikon]

Your being too logical, lots of problems that tried to retcon for many years and to this day. None of it actually makes logical sense

[@reborninsanity]

Palpatine (still pretending to be the chancellor) told the public that the Jedi tried to assassinate him. That way if they did try to go public with the recordings, it could be played off as the clones killing traitorous assassins. Not Jedi.

[@shawnpage6333]

@@reborninsanity I don't think the public would putray children as traiters

[@Sandlund93]

What recordings? Surely, part of the operation was to delete all recordings of it. Maybe some Jedi managed to escape the temple during the chaos but they would only have their word and no proof. While being branded as traitors to the republic by its leader. Even Yoda and Obi-Wan had to fight their way into the temple and by that time all useful recordings were certainly gone. They found some of Anakin but him killing "traitors" doesn´t give them more than a confused public if they were gonna try the courts. The courts that Palpatine also controlled. But the message I get from watching the movie is that there were no "remaining Jedi". This has been retconned time and again because it´s easy to write it off as "ehh, somehow some Jedi got away safe" if you are Disney and want to capitalize on an interesting time period. I guess it has to do with me playing the Revenge of the Sith videogame too, as Anakin you are pretty much cleaning house in one of the levels. So I always assumed that nobody survived. The survivors would have been spread across the galaxy and probably just a couple of dozen or so. And Coruscant, where the supposed recordings might be, wasn´t safe for them at that point anymore.

[@shawnpage6333]

@@Sandlund93 But when Obi-Wan and Yoda got to the temple there were still hundreds of died children there. Also, not many people knew about operation nightfall and what really happened because palpatine told the story as the clones killing traitorous jedi. But if Obi-Wan and Yoda got picters of yongling being cut in half or shot in the back by clones, they chould take that evidence and display it all arcoss the Holo-Net for everyone to see. After everyone seeing that then poblic opinion might sway to the Jedi side and they could arrest palpatine for the unlawful murder for hundreds of children. But even with palpatine having control over the Senate the majority of people will be on the side of the jedi, and the there could be a rebelion before the empire even happened.

[@arronfrazier7873]

I'm tired of people saying, Windu should have waited for Yoda and others to return to Coruscant! Mace told Anakin to report to Palpatine about Obi Wan engaging Grevious on Utopa, Mace immediately sensed a plot to destroy the Jedi aka order 66! What does that mean? Palpatine whether Anakin turned to the dark side or not, he was going to command order 66! The timing was right! He had all the evidence or authority to command order 66! He had Anakin on video/audio saying the Jedi told him to spy and the Jedi council planned to take over the Senate. You really believe Palpatine would have waited for the Jedi council and most of the Jedi to come back to Coruscant to command order 66! If he did that, his reign as Emperor would haven't been that long. Order 66 wouldn't have been as successful. It would have meant immediate Civil war/ a rebellion against the knew formed Empire. You would had Jedi all over the place leading the Civil war fronts.

[@zerrez9791]

what I find weird and intersting, you can mix sith techniques with jedi techniques. but not jedi techniques when you start out as a sith.

[@rogerbennett9598]

Doesn’t matter if he knew or not because at the end they went to confront him and got cooked lol

[@82ndmi]

Me when attack of the clones came out : what a weird crazy move and the fallout was so unrealistic Me after they announced they were charging trump and he might be arrested (before he turned himself in) : oh, Lucas was a genius.

[@peterversionone]

If the Jedi did know, why didn’t they order Order 67

[@granatmof]

Logic and reason is out the window when stories have to result in a pre determined outcome from being a prequel. If the movies were made in order Sidious would not have won, and Anakin would not have fallen.

[@Jeremyhughes86]

um, no. all film novelizations are classified as canon, except in moments that contradict the film canon. this moment doesn't contradict it... it's canon. an example of this. Yoda being blue is a piece of non-canon from the ESB novelization....but since that novelization mostly supports the canon, than it's mostly canon. except in those unsupported moments, refer to the blue Yoda as an example of this....or in the ANH novelization. Luke missed with his first two proton torpedoes...so he had to pull up, loop back into the trench, and finally heeded Obi-Wan's words with his last two torpedoes...and pushed them in with the force...this moment, except for missing the first shot and having to loop back for a second shot is canon.