The "Crazy" Woman Trope, Explained

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[@trinaq]

Please cover the Sassy Black Woman Trope! 🖤😍

[@purplequeen4797]

Great Video!!! Next Love triangle Trope please 😊

[@jesrieldaug1258]

Please make a video about Sardonic or Sarcastic Characters like Gina Linetti and Chandler Bing.

[@jesrieldaug1258]

Make a video on Neurotic type A personality characters

[@Sisizlive]

Could you please do what I like to call the "Jack Sparrow" trope. I feel like I consistently see many characters including Ferris Bueller, Harley Quinn, and Klaus from The Umbrella Academy who follow it. It's those characters who are almost lone wolves, think differently from the rest, kind of suave, seems a bit crazy (like this video in a sense), and either has dumb luck or uses their wits to get themselves out of any situation.

[@toshcameron366]

Love how the obsessive woman is a male nightmare but an obsessive man is just a typical romantic protagonist.

[@Hyzentley]

YES, RIGHT? You are so right and this is so true, and so scary if one thinks longer about it

[@annabratton5323]

Damn is this a youtube comment or a hammer? Because it hit the nail on the head

[@cristobocarrin1746]

Love how the "nice guy" video portrayed them as a female nightmare wheras this one portrays "crazy" women as victims of systemic oppression.

[@thesuperiorrat4048]

Not anymore, “obsessive male” being accepted as a typical romantic was more of 1950s to Early 2000s. People are portrayed more accurately now. If a man has obsessive be behavior, he is seen as having obsessive behavior, same with women.

[@prasedomaci9264]

I think this changed a lot in the last couple of years. Consensus now is obsessive man is as creepy as obsessive woman.

[@sarahellis6703]

it's sad how mental illness or "craziness" is used as a trait to make female characters more attractive

[@jadelynelle218]

It's hilarious in an ironic way, because society doesn't value people with actual mental health issues vs. people who play them for entertainment.

[@sarahellis6703]

@@normandy2501 I know that I've personally projected onto these characters that seem cool because of their craziness so i felt less shitty about how uncool my own crazy is, but the romanticization of mental illness is still a problem, ya know?

[@jamiemohan2049]

It kinda works both ways. I see far more tributes videos on KZbin to crazy Male characters, they are often very sexualised by the audience. Young girls seem to love them. Bit weird for me.

[@indulgingculture2987]

@Rhayerna Targaryen Agree. Crazy male characters, can also mesh with the Bad Body archetype. It’s no surprise some young girls will fall for that mysterious aura they portray to have at times. Obsessiveness also plays a powerful trait that some girls find very hot with these characters. Personally, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to like those characters, but what concerns me is that are some young girls trying to seek that kind of person out in life? Cause the problem with that is media portrayal of those characters are works of fiction that romanticize (whether or not they are romanticize) those characteristic in a way. Fiction is influence by reality, but fiction shouldn’t be taken literally, it’s only there to help emphasize specific elements to tell a story. Though, by crazy do you mean the people who love fictional serial killers, cause that’s whole other take on that.

[@jasoneaton4520]

Sarah Ellis cause mental illness literally is the only thing attractive, going beyond society’s norms to fulfill sexual fantasies. Girls with daddy issues are the most enticing.

[@fedem14]

"we are terrified of people who don't live in the same reality as we do" this quote tho...

[@zitronentee]

People fear what they don't understand.

[@fedem14]

Manophere. com i don't understand what you're trying to say

[@genderalsynarchy2156]

@@fedem14 I think he's saying that this channel is mysandric. Especially considering his name has manosphere in in it.

[@arjuncoen]

I'm surprised it came from Orson of all people...

[@jasoneaton4520]

Fede from Paramore l thought they were a sort of example to be followed...lol

[@katel3259]

I never realized that the crazy girl trope really is a way for misogynistic film makers to paint broken and used girls as crazy. Giving the men a way to be abusive but not seen as wrong because of the way the woman acts

[@GARY84ROCKS]

Did you ever consider that this trope you're seeing is a way for feminist-leaning (i.e. "sympathetic") male film makers to paint broken and used girls as DRIVEN crazy by abusive men?

[@priscilaguimaraes2732]

FLYING DREAM PRODUCTIONS no. You’re wrong.

[@katel3259]

FLYING DREAM PRODUCTIONS that’s a good point! I think some are and some aren’t. And the way you can tell which it is, is by how the men act in the film

[@katwebbxo]

@@katel3259 Agreed. There are definitely examples of both and it's very obvious by the way they treat the "crazy" person.

[@christopherbrown2706]

@Glenna Smith men's crazy has to be linked to something- "mad genius/scientist"

[@lisah8438]

Do the sassy black girl trope.

[@alexsmith2910]

Yes. Please.

[@Firegen1]

That's a good one.

[@Firegen1]

@akshay satish That's a magical black person - used to called something worse - trope. It's a really awkward one because it delves into the same stuff as magic dream pixie girl. A character designated life coach to the cis white lead. It's going out of fashion thanks to the work of many writers. If the Take is smart it will use Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer's careers to discuss it. Both went from powerful supporting actors to brazen leads and onwards.

[@haleynickols5948]

Lisa H they have a trope similar to what you’re referring to (about the sassy black girl friend). Its the best friend trope and it’s not as spot on but it talks about tokenism (every white protagonist has a gay, black, or fat friend).

[@ayypapi9366]

they have a best friend trope video

[@francescadowns4551]

can y’all do black woman tropes? like sassy friend, mammy, etc

[@angelface333]

i would like to see it

[@jomanda6876]

yes!!!! this!!!!

[@Liquidplasticable]

Francesca Downs Also Angry black receptionist/secretary/car garage attendant/security guard-black women put in roles where they’re a deterrent or obstacle. Also Asian/Hispanic/Black servant trope.

[@BrandonNinja]

🤣

[@yxw6528]

YES THIS IS SO IMPORTANT

[@AnaJulia-wm5pl]

I love how Amy Dunne is basically every trope ever made

[@joejellyfish]

It's true omg

[@taniamejia5359]

She is the best.

[@BreakCards]

It's a amazing character!!! "I killed , I killed for you!"

[@19TAURUSGIRL91]

She’s my hero 🥰💓

[@allesundmehr]

and yet she has the AUDACITY to talk about how she hates the "cool girl" trope

[@Catheriina]

Here's a "crazy" twist: The crazy woman & the pixie dream girl are one person, depending on the perspective of the narrator / protagonist / director

[@topaz898989]

Interesting theory. I have seen the line between firecracker quirky and crazy is how cute/hot someone is. Unattractive people are always crazy.

[@bruna7534]

Well... If you're talking about the "cool ones"... Yeah. Pixie Dream Girl is basically a softcore Cool Crazy Girl

[@allurajane4979]

gone girl kinda does this

[@JoshuaRellick]

I could see pixie dream girl being a type 3 cool crazy girl. But pixie dream girls aren't evil like a type 1 crazy girl.

[@hydrolito]

Sky High and Super Ex-girlfriend although not a pixie.

[@samanthakim1975]

Could you please do one about the romantized depressed girl, like effy stonem?

[@chadlarsen8618]

Hannah Baker, Alaska young etc,

[@chadlarsen8618]

There is also the male counterpart like Finch in all the bright places

[@josefinebliss2801]

Isn't that pretty much just the last example in this video about the edgy, crazy girl though? She suffers from mental illness but comes off as cool due to her allure, hypersexuality and not caring what people think about her. The whole making someone like that come off as cool and edgy is the same as romanticizing them.

[@samanthakim1975]

@@josefinebliss2801 I thought about that too, but effy and alaska young don't have that scary look to them

[@eleanormunt2860]

Skins is interesting, because on one hand it does do a pretty decent job at portraying certain mental health issues. But, on another hand it definitely falls into tropes at times.

[@carlaciocanaru5045]

"Crazy" girls are loved by the viewers only if they are hot or beautiful 🤷‍♀️ *edit : most characters are loved just by their attractiveness but it's wrong to idolize them even though they have done horrible things . Some characters can change and see their point of view but not all of them become good. The romanticization of criminal or psychopath women on tv is not ok

[@fedem14]

Carla G. like any other tbf

[@GARY84ROCKS]

@@fedem14 You took the typing right off of my fingers.

[@catlady4858]

Isn't that just any character, ever?

[@killbillgoodfellas]

I disagree, crazy eyes is universally loved, Monster makes you simpathize with Aileen Wuornos probably more than she deserved, I cried my eyes out with Woman under the influence, it really depends on author intent and how succesful they're executing the character. That attitude kinda annoys me to be honest, I have multiple mental conditions and I just hope people like me or not based on me, not my diagnosis.

[@carlaciocanaru5045]

@@catlady4858 not always, but it's a lot worse if you consider a character as a "role model"( in some cases a dangerous and evil person) just because they are hot.

[@mayanpaw]

I heard a really interesting anecdote about how men will often tell their "crazy ex girlfriend" stories as a way of putting blame for a relationships collapse solely on the woman and dismissing her as worthless and untrustworthy, but women don't often tell their "crazy ex boyfriend" stories because theirs tend to be stories about abuse from their ex partner and aren't the funny, harmless, "gee what a wacko" stories that the "crazy ex girlfriend" stories tend to be.

[@konstantinakatmada8019]

Donald Glover has done standup with just this anecdote and if you check the video here in youtube everybody was laughing even when he was spoke about abuse and clearly changed his tone...

[@InnerSilence123]

I had a girlfriend that tried to push me down from a second floor stairs and confessed that if she had a knife at hand she would have stabbed me, all becouse I was using clothes that she didnt like and I told her that she couldnt control me. I guess if I call her crazy its becouse of patriarchy, not becouse she was actually crazy and the blame was on me for making her angry by using the wrong t shirt. man, Im so sick entitled and self righteous people justifying violence just becouse it works for their rethoric.

[@mayanpaw]

@@konstantinakatmada8019 THAT'S what I was think of! Thank you!

[@cristobocarrin1746]

Wow, you are really in denial of intimate abuse committed by fellow women, aren't you? Maybe men shrug off stories about "crazy girlfriends" because they know they are not going to find any sympathy or support if they call them what they really are: abusers. I remember this standup routine by Bill Burr about an abusive girlfriend who physically assaulted him. And the crowd laughed.

[@ertfgghhhh]

It is definitely true. As a matter of fact, if i am dating a man that uses the term "crazy" about his ex, relationship is over. He is manipulative.

[@cupcakegurls909]

Women have been told we are crazy since the beginning. We’ve been victims of gaslighting for thousands of years. I’m so appreciative to live in an age where we can be educated on how to know when it’s happening to us, and how we can avoid being stuck with someone who’s toxic.

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

:)

[@aton-ramasculin3sunworship353]

“Thousands of years” yeah sounds crazy to me.

[@dunemae]

@@aton-ramasculin3sunworship353 I mean humans have been around for longer so no...that's not crazy at all

[@supersnapp]

Its not gaslighting if its true.

[@Angi3_6]

As someone who has been called "crazy" and other names all her life (I have Schizo Affective disorder), I HATE that it's romanticized.

[@ASMRlabyrinthz]

everyone wants the "crazy hot chick" until they find out she is actually literally mentally ill. (can confirm as I am a hot woman with BPD, and am very lucky my husband understands mental illness and loves me for who I am).

[@Angi3_6]

@@ASMRlabyrinthz It's great that you found someone who understands. :)

[@LucyLioness100]

ASMR Labyrinth I’m glad that your husband loves and cares about you & is your biggest supporter. Bless you both

[@MeleenGames]

@@ASMRlabyrinthz literally.. in relationships and friendships

[@CottonCandySharks]

I'm sorry for how this is portrayed, and how different it is from how people react in real life. I wish you all the best.

[@rayrenmmkay7249]

I'm so surprised that crazy ex girlfriend wasnt mentioned in this.

[@AmySwain03]

Same

[@bianca8572]

I was waiting for them to start talking about crazy ex-girlfriend, because they showed Rebecca at the beginning. How could they not mention it, the whole show is about being 'crazy'..

[@magdaghirma]

She doesn't quite fit the trope I guess.

[@blissclair9743]

I wish they would talk about that show. It was very good.

[@broadway520]

There was just an image at the beginning.

[@tariqthomas9090]

It's going to like a cliche at this point but Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is the BEST portrayal of a woman (or heck, a *person* ) with a mental illness that I have ever seen. I know it's not really mentioned in this video but either way I'm so thankful that it exists.

[@starlight5123]

So true I love that series

[@aleandra3945]

YES IVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE HOW AMAZING CRAZY EXGIRLFRIEND IS BUT THEY DONT WATCH IT BECAUSE IS A MUSICAL

[@trinaq]

Me too, it seemed like Rebecca would be a prime candidate for this Trope, but maybe they didn't count her because Rebecca has undiagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder for most of the show, so she's not "crazy" in a traditional sense, but is genuinely mental ill and unhinged. 🤒

[@MelissaBlue]

@@trinaq They didn't include CXG (although visually mentioned it) because the show has a nuanced modern take on the tropes explored in the video.

[@angryowl5972]

IKR but people are put off from watching it because of the title thinking that it’s some kind of reductive rom com

[@rosem6398]

""Crazy" is such a convenient word for men, perpetuating our sense of superiority... When women are too emotional we say they are being irrational. Crazy. Wrong."

[@alexsmith2910]

As a man I am happy I don't think like that.

[@haroldsandahl6408]

Here's a thought: Let's say that you are raised to suppress emotions and act in a consistent manner that you can logically follow. To where reactions can be predicted based off the cause. Now this is never the case in social interactions, too much variability, but the idea is you are taught to act consistent and a certain way. Then someone comes along and breaks those rules you are taught. That breaking of rules is what is "crazy." It doesn't make sense, and it can frighten you. This is an oversimplification, but if you take that idea, that what men are taught isn't roles but strict emotional development then it makes sense why there are more "crazy" women than "crazy" men. It's a reflection of a lack of emotional intelligence and understanding and why "crazy" men are often more emotional that "regular" men.

[@AngusStewart01]

Bullshit men get called crazy all the time it’s not a gendered thing and if men don’t fix there act they suffer actual consequences like going to prison or restraining order it’s not a sense of supporty or gender based anybody can be nuts 🥜. The difference is the women gets called crazy she hates and rationalize it where guy acts same can suffer actual consequences what superiority if a guy act like a crazy girl he’d be in prison with no sympathy smh double standard blame patriarchy bullshit.

[@darkdream1469]

@Glenna Smith true.

[@TheVeregat]

Women can be crazy. As can men. Women are traditionally more emotionally drawn, hence crazy emotional.

[@taacct3739]

Calling someone "crazy" is just an excuse people use to stop caring. She is your apathy personified, manifesting only when you're tired of giving a shit about understanding her.

[@JoshuaRellick]

Except that the people who are called crazy sometimes do act irrationally.

[@hawkarae]

Amen

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

true, calling someone crazy is just a way to dismiss them and whatever they’re saying or experiencing. bookmarking :)

[@iloveyoufromthedepthofmyheart]

@@JoshuaRellick i believe the diagnosis "crazy" is not a part of the DSM. To call someone crazy is just to demonize and dismiss them, to devalue them. And more often is this label used for women, it has been since acient times. Even the word hysteria was wrongly used only for women, when later it became clear men suffer from the same mental conditions too.

[@MsDaydream3r]

Ever think of doing a video for the Weird Boy trope? You could point out examples like Edward Scissorhands or Jughead Jones.

[@GARY84ROCKS]

Scissorhands is an out-and-out over-the-top freak. Jughead is apathetic to women and ravenously hungry. That's a HUGE spectrum of "weird".

[@kimifw58]

Edward Scissorhands is in the vein of Quasimodo and Frankenstein's monster, someone who tries to fit in with society but is ultimately rejected by it. Jughead, from Riverdale I assume, is the inverse of that: an attractive person who fits in just fine but chooses not to under the guise of being special.

[@The1Dragonprincess]

MsDaydream3r “I’m weird. I’m a weirdo. I don’t fit in and I don’t *want to* fit in! Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat?”

[@tianna6933]

omg im hearing jughead's rant about how he's weird now

[@oofaloompa4799]

Jughead is weird. He’s a weirdo. Do you see his stupid hat? That’s weird

[@ashleyhylton802]

Please do the geeky man, hot woman romcom - sick of seeing that tbh haha

[@domhuckle]

Lindsy Ellis does a great piece about guardians of the galaxy 2 where she covers that in greet detail

[@sabrinac8453]

Isn't that the cool girl trope?

[@ashleyhylton802]

@@sabrinac8453 kind of but the guys arnt always geeky - case - friends with benefits* - just those movies where there is some geeky guy who is supposed to be nice yet does nothing of interest or really even that geeky or niche and there is an inexplicably attractive, confident, successful woman who falls in love with him. The man is useless and she can probably do better in all these movies, not every man who is lets for example say, athletic, automatically is a bully. It is possible to be a nerd and a douche as well.

[@kant.68]

@@ashleyhylton802 I agree. Women are driven by looks and I'm tired that trope. It has harmed many men

[@moon_moodlet]

I do an eye-roll every time I see that insufferable trope.

[@fedem14]

"the woman having a nervous breakdown" it's me. i'm the woman.

[@TheLeah2344]

Same

[@Dramatis_personae09]

Get help

[@sarahjenks662]

Me too! Lmao

[@vip3re]

Me too! Take care ok sis!

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

Of course I know him. He’s me.

[@thedissilent2548]

Can you do a video breaking down why heartbroken men are almost always portrayed as pathetic and used for laughs by over exaggerating their sadness in movies and television shows?

[@sakura121094]

wow I never thought about it, you're right

[@FunnyLittleFrog]

yesss

[@katwebbxo]

Likely comes from the negative perception of "feminine traits" such as sensitivity.

[@sofia_rms]

@@katwebbxo I hate that omg

[@sofia_rms]

Up

[@jeremyud]

Fun fact- Tiffany was supposed to be 37 years old in Silver Linings Playbook, and she was set to be played by Angelina Jolie. After she dropped out due to health reasons, Tiffany was recast with Jennifer Lawrence and her age was revised to 27.

[@beakiddo9532]

And Jennifer Lawrence was 23 at the time and in her best shape ever, heavily enlightened in the movie with plenty of sexy shots....soooo much plausible for a widowed "crazy" small town woman just back from mental institution.....

[@beakiddo9532]

Ugh, I hate that movie

[@GrainneMhaol]

@@beakiddo9532 It's horrible.

[@josefinebliss2801]

Oh I wish the role had gone to Angelina Jolie

[@moonlily1]

Angelina Jolie doesn't look like someone who would be named "Tiffany".

[@isaacgray2909]

It would be interesting to make a video on how mental illness are portrayed in cinema. From what I know, media never tends to portray mental disorder and illnesses such as autism as actual problems, and instead used them to make it "appealing". Like they want a crazy character, but not too crazy enough for the audience to like and feel relatable. And whenever a character is portrayed as a sociopath, it's always in the stereotypical "so intelligent and handsome", which is much far from real life.

[@Alwaysttango]

True. As an asperger's who's a good looking I can tell you that in real life being pretty is never romanticized, looks don't make up for behaviour, you trigger ppl just the same as not as appealing aspies plus nobody gets it, everyone expects you to be more social and have a proactive roll all the time just for your looks and that is exhausting.

[@katwebbxo]

@@Alwaysttango I believe part of it is because people subconsciously equate attractiveness with normalcy, intelligence and overall likeable qualities. As soon as somebody doesn't fit into this box they look at them in a strange way. Sadly unattractiveness is equated with being weird, different, unintelligent, etc. Obviously people with Asperger's (I have people in my family with it) are not inherently these things at all but people will likely view them as such. It's awful.

[@sarizonana]

I haven’t seen that movie but I once heard the movie tropic Thunder said something about how badly autism is portrayed in film. I really need to give that film a try myself because I’ve heard a lot of good quotes about it. Like the dude playing the dude disguised as another dude. Someone else here told me another nice quote about that said I don’t read the scripts but scripts read me And another quote about not going fully retard.

[@MeleenGames]

not everyone with aspd is violent 'sociopathy' has criteria for a diagnosis. This also annoys me I think girl interrupted Lisa had a real good depiction of aspd.

[@corimyers4985]

You need to watch Mr Robot. Mental Illness dead on the head...heartwrenching at times and empowering at other times. I hate to give away the illness plot but so few dismiss it as just a show about a hacker. The best portrayal I've seen on TV for mental illness..and the hacking is pretty damn accurate too.

[@BroadCarol8]

Shout out to “The Take” for putting out such fantastic content during this quarantine.

[@soraya3422]

Please do The Exotic Girl Trope, who else agrees?

[@vilo6748]

Yeeaa

[@soraya3422]

@jay nah, basically any foreigner Girl who has an accent and looks Exotic and beautiful and full of clichés, I my self am north African and I feel like we are looked at differently than others. People tend to associate""foreigner"" with seduction, of course not it all cases ... But having an accent and having a different kind of ethnicity and even a different life philosophy seems appealing to both men and women... I myself find accents very seducing ... Anyways , there is absolutely a trope for Exotic girls in cinema and I want it to be analyzed by The take

[@katwebbxo]

American Pie for example.

[@hollycatlin1573]

Yes, this is a good one. I hate how the woman from another countries-especially Asian, Hispanic, or Eastern European-is written only as a seductress who often behaves inappropriately given the situation, and the leading man never ends up with her, she’s just a plot device.

[@soraya3422]

@@hollycatlin1573 yes, and it can be funny how even her name becomes a sort of a "sexual term" ... Plus she is very mysterious and way more alluring than a "local" girl who coukd be actually more attractive. And everything she does or says is alluring.. for example, in friends Chandler loves how the Hispanic girl he met pronounces his name as ChanDler

[@kimifw58]

Earlier iterations of this type: Ophelia from Hamlet and the protagonist of The Yellow Wallpaper.

[@deidara6796]

yeah i was REALLY surprised ophelia wasnt mentioned bc she was like..... the OG

[@isaacgray2909]

Surprised Yellow Wallpaper wasn't mentioned too. That work is the prime instance that attacked the "hysterical woman" idea.

[@sophiejones7727]

@@deidara6796 true, but she doesn't fit into these types. Ophelia is really very unique. You can't tell whether she's genuinely off her rocker, or pretending in order to manipulate people. Or...of course...maybe both. Does a sane person manipulate others? What exactly IS insanity? for all the medications we've developed and all the experiments we've done, we don't really know. That's kind of the theme of Hamlet.

[@sujitroy3628]

Any strong woman from tragedy really: Medea, Clytemnestra, Antigone, Lady Macbeth...

[@Interfaune]

Well, nobody out-crazies Ophelia!

[@miaosmonbekov981]

It takes so little for a woman to be called crazy, while men are never labeled crazy. It's insane, and unfair. The crazy woman trope is a way to imbue misogyny into the minds of the viewers subconsciously edit: okay maybe not "never" but what I meant was very, very, very rarely? Happy now?

[@GARY84ROCKS]

No...what's insane is you using the word "never".

[@VICTORZITOSS]

Men are aggro or temperamental. Reminds me of that old Donald Glover joke. "You know why you've never heard of a woman with a crazy ex boyfriend? It's very easy. Because if you are a woman and you have a crazy boyfriend... you gonna die" Sounds dark (it is)but the delivery makes it lighter

[@annika4262]

FLYING DREAM PRODUCTIONS are you going to reply to every comment

[@GARY84ROCKS]

@@annika4262 Are you going to care?

[@miaosmonbekov981]

@Chantel Chukwuezi true, I respect that. I got a little carried away. Mostly my point was that it's a lot easier to call a woman crazy than a man in society generally

[@bythedoor]

Basically the crazy woman trope is a mix of the Weird Girl trope and the Femme fatale trope

[@katwebbxo]

Spot on.

[@drartemisa21]

And the cool girl?

[@bythedoor]

@@drartemisa21 Not really because she isn’t a male fantasy, on the contrary she’s a male nightmare

[@oursong1076]

seemingly. Femme fatal if she holds power, weird girl if she is low in social ranking and/or not narrated as attractive.This video essay isn't as concise to me as the other tend to be

[@sofia_rms]

Fr

[@aberrantcow]

Fatal Attraction is a fascinating film. It’s both incredibly powerful and problematic. On the one hand we have a woman who will not let the man who slept with her just walk back to his family life like nothing happened. Glenn Close won’t allow Michael Douglas to act like nothing happened. She MAKES him accountable. However we also have a portrayal of a career driven woman with no husband or children as ‘crazy’ and who lashes out because of it. I love the film regardless. It’s a fascinating study on gender expression in film.

[@quico522]

michael douglas character is actually so controlling and unaccountable! the wife only learns about the affair in the last 15mins when glenn close is literally showing up in their house in the woods, never mind she had been tormenting michael douglas throughout the movie and put their kid in danger. it's sad that in the 80s people could interpret this as the crazy childless woman instead of the portrayal of an asshole

[@Bejewelle88]

Both parties did original agree it was supposed to be a NO STRINGS ATTACHED situation if I remember correctly - just goes to show how anything can go south, even when you think you've got all the i's dotted and t's crossed

[@quico522]

@@Bejewelle88 but it's fiction, none of this actually happened and women don't often chase down the married men they have affairs with. michael douglas' character however is very telling of cultural values in the 80s

[@LucyLioness100]

I actually like the original ending of “Fatal Attraction” as it is more befitting of Alex’s disturbed mind. Audiences just wanted the generic “happy ending” for a guy who lied and cheated on his wife (and Beth was way too forgiving of Dan) & it really feels meh for an end

[@charnellejackson3641]

But the thing is she knew he was married before having sex with him he shouldn’t have cheated on his wife and she shouldn’t have had sex with a married man. I don’t think the film was intentionally trying to portray an unmarried, childless career woman as crazy so much as the specific woman Alex was crazy (not in touch with reality). I don’t think that portrayal was problematic at all especially with the performance that Glenn close gave.

[@tyrant-den884]

To say nothing of Japan's yandere where insanity is treated entirely as male sexual fantasy.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

It depends on the story.

[@Ben-fx9kx]

That's a bit of an oversimplification. Yanderes can be sexualised but they aren't necessarily a male sexual fantasy especially when they do things that are extremely violent or gory

[@tyrant-den884]

@@Ben-fx9kx I wish. Extreme violence and gore are sexualized all the time.

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

:o

[@raphaellavelasquez8144]

"Women become twice militant because they're twice oppressed." -Hansberry

[@GARY84ROCKS]

That's the past.

[@shreksspawn2359]

@@GARY84ROCKS that's what they say about racism, but baby, it's still here.

[@shreksspawn2359]

@@GARY84ROCKS your attitude is of the past.

[@annika4262]

FLYING DREAM PRODUCTIONS shureeee

[@GARY84ROCKS]

@@shreksspawn2359 Uhhh... racism will always be here. Get real. Learn to not allow words to hurt you. And all these things you fear will lessen as they have for CENTURIES. Indulge in these internet FANTASIES and YOU will be responsible for bringing all that you fear back from the past upon you.

[@sarahirisfox]

Can you do an analysis of the "sassy black girl" trope and how it's changed over time?

[@oursong1076]

when did it change? lol

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

Like stranger things? This past season was so cringe with the sassy black girl

[@evesmith2456]

Aaron thank you

[@robhousehold]

Do the Rebel girl. These characters are usually the cookie cutter copies from in many film and TV

[@oursong1076]

Yes using both Darlene and Becky. most rebellious girls are based on those 2 arcs.

[@madisonhjort6587]

I honestly loved Gone Girl, because both of them were villains and I could never side with either person. They both had people who affected them heavily. Sadly...I feel like the main woman went a lil too far for an affair, I understand she was mad and in rage but she could have divorced him. She would have been able to afford it.

[@kimifw58]

But isn't divorce exactly what he wants? So he can be free with his mistress? I agree that would be rational, but she's not rational. She wants revenge.

[@adri_kai]

She wanted revenge so she didn't want to get a divorce (its been a while since I've seen it) but I know in the book she mentions how in divorce he wins because he gets to be with his mistress while she's the one that ends up alone.

[@broadway520]

The book goes into the financial strain of the Recession and how she feels they're stuck because of him.

[@lailadobb9221]

Basically if The Last Five Years was a horror

[@han1601]

Manophere. com Um, what? Men’s violence against women is COMMON and nowhere NEAR “extremely rare”, and many of women’s problems aren’t caused by specific men but they are definitely caused by sexist beliefs created and perpetuated by men. What problems do men have that women have caused? Individual women may have caused problems for individual men but women as a whole do not uphold a system that creates problems for men based on their sex. Western society is NOWHERE NEAR “female centric” when we’ve never had a female president, rarely have paid maternity leave, and essential health products for women are considered “luxury items”. I see you on every one of these “female tropes” videos; what are you even trying to achieve? Why do you insist on saying that women don’t experience discrimination in western society when these videos clearly show that’s not true?

[@vyssla]

One damage I see being done by these stereotypes is in dating, especially online: The moment someone loses their cool or choose to be vulnerable, by perhaps asking many questions or upen up about their fears, they risk getting stamped as "crazy".

[@christopherbrown2706]

Women get labeled crazy when they do that; men get labeled weak and unstable

[@louisnewton4292]

Is anyone else addicted to these?

[@alexsmith2910]

Guilty as charged.

[@mymeohmy7334]

As someone who was allways the „crazy one“, it is horrible to see that i allways have been treated like these woman. I mean, maybe i am crazy, but actually just because i don`t fit in with the reality of others. Since i can`t explain why i am not crazy like they tell, i started to play the role.

[@aroojsiddiqui124]

Why do you say you're crazy?

[@vivianacrisolesutrilla9253]

I used to think the same to me, that I was crazy and everything bad in my love life was only my fault. I realize I am not in a mental illness as psycopath but I was dependent emotionally and obssesive, and the last thing was what made my ex look at me, he found me attractive because I was obssesive like the first type of "crazy woman"and he was also toxic. We broke up, I went to therapy and even if I am still obssesive a bit, I love who I am and I am ok with that. My point is, maybe you are not really crazy, maybe people around you are toxic and you too and that's the accurate word, you need to go to therapy but not because you are crazy as a psychopath, just to clean yourself and correct some patterns.

[@user-qv1vb4qo2x]

I’ve had guys sexualized the bad shit I’ve gone through as well. It’s sick. I was drowning and they were getting off on it.

[@butterbubbles5375]

I will never stop mentioning this, but Aronofsky’s “Black Swan” was heavily inspired by Satoshi Kon’s “Perfect Blue”, despite Aronofsky’s cowardly dismissal of it. He actually bought the rights to the film so he could adapt it for live television, but never did so. And then he stole all the credit for the concept in “Black Swan.” Satoshi Kon is known to inspire many Hollywood pieces. His work in anime is unique and different, “Perfect Blue” plays with the concept of self, in my opinion, much more expertly than Aronofsky (Maybe I’m just salty Aronofsky’s lying. Why does he have to? It’s pathetic). Anyway, PB is about a young Japanese pop idol named Mima who leaves her “pure” persona to pursue television. After experiencing pressures into selling her body to become a major actress and backlash from her perverted fans, she begins to lose control of who she is. This is further compounded by a stalker and violent murders happening all around her. I could talk about Kon’s works for days. Perfect Blue, despite being his first film, is what people strive for in a whole lifetime of work. It’s unknown outside of anime circles, but I wish that wasn’t so because all of Kon’s work deserves a chance and Aronofosky should be held accountable. He was even collaborating with Kon before his untimely death in 2004. And he has the gall to deny any inspiration, despite the fact that he used several of Perfect Blue’s scenes in his films? Despicable. Sure, he bought the rights, but he never credited Kon because his works are pretentious and self-important. Sorry, rant over. I’m just tired of male directors with inflated egos. It’s no more acceptable than women who hate all men.

[@toomuchinformation]

@gypsy lab Of course because it's far more common.

[@wmurd]

Yes, but perfect Blue is a novel in the first place, I mean it's not only Kon's merits

[@butterbubbles5375]

whoitare awezzome True, but we’ve seen many trash adaptations for novels and manga alike. He truly made the work his own and used the benefits of the medium to optimize the quality of the film. It went from a novel adaptation to a Kon film, as his works are too stylized to separate from him.. I’ll always miss Kon, underrated genius.

[@darkdream1469]

I can't believe that Perfect blue was his first film.. It was done so well. Intriguing from the first second to the last. I gonna check out other works of him!

[@abbypierce4196]

Holy shit how did I not notice that. Perfect Blue is one of my favorite movies to date. It’s atheistically and narratively beautiful and terrifying. How cowardly for him to not admit where he took his inspiration from.

[@heytherejay04]

I would love to see a video about the “evil” scientist trope, it’s always been very fascinating

[@redculturedash8074]

There are plenty of subtropes about genius’s. Yeah, what about just scientists?

[@JLDREAMS]

Hate it when men in general dismiss everything a women says that challenges them as being crazy irl

[@JoshuaRellick]

It's the same as how men are dismissed as being stupid.

[@rose4490]

Those sort of people are what are now known as narcissistic abusers!

[@cristianproust]

Easy, try not to act crazy (you know you are, it is a matter of how well you hide it)

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

:(

[@iloveyoufromthedepthofmyheart]

@@cristianproust why don't you men try to act less crazy some times? Try to wage less wars, commit less genocides, how about that? When we look at history it's clear who did the most unhinged and craziest, irrational shit on earth. Male figures.

[@rosem6398]

It's sad and all too real seeing how the ever-present misogyny perpetuated by our culture culminates/creates a lot of the crazy girl tropes in female characters. Being valued and respected based on the rate of attractiveness (youth/age), usefulness, and submission is enough to make anyone go crazy and it's all too real. I’m glad that a lot more movies and tv shows are addressing mental illness and how big a part it plays in the character’s actions as well.

[@JoshuaRellick]

It isn't a single gender thing. Men are valued and respected based on their income.

[@cristianproust]

Craziness is a biological issue, not a societal one. " Being valued and respected based on the rate of attractiveness (youth/age" fertility is the main attractor. You do not complain about liking successful men. Is not society, it is biology

[@_Sakidora_]

Men are also valued based on their rate of attractiveness. How many short, bald romantic heroes in women's fiction can you name?

[@yoonmikim5663]

Women as mother? Because this has followed extremes as well, from sexless housewife, irresponsible, etc.

[@MrGeekFreek]

Can you do one for the old mentor? Master Yoda, Mr. Miyagi, Giles.

[@shalini_sevani]

yes love to see that

[@LucyLioness100]

That would be quite an interesting video given how long that trope has continued

[@DGenerationX1311]

Men being crazy or doing crazy things is so normal and common place that it’s not even deemed as crazy anymore.

[@janefehr2028]

Lakshmi G yeah. Just take Joe Goldberg from the Netflix series “You” as an example. So many women swoon over him and defend his actions, while bashing Love’s character. As if they weren’t both terrible people 😂

[@katwebbxo]

True. It's acceptable for them to act crazy but for women it's "unladylike."

[@l7weenie273]

Yes. I've always thought this. It's always women who are given the "crazy" label. Men underestimate how crazy they are.

[@l7weenie273]

@Manophere. com I'm saying men can be crazy too but it's usually women who are given that label. It's the truth 🤷

[@janefehr2028]

Chris you should go on Twitter. Plenty of people defend his actions there, it’s scary. Also in real life a bunch of crazy men go to jail for violence and find a fan as a wife (Manson, Bundy, etc..) I never hear of the opposite case. There are many women/men who don’t go to jail for their crimes. Not really a gender thing. Not to mention, men report physical abuse less often because of society’s pressure on men to be the “strong” one in a relationship.

[@user-jn1wm3tb8v]

ANNIE WILKES. She is the best insane character ever.Her personality,her acting,the child murder...

[@cinthiahm1444]

I haven’t seen it, but your description reminds me of the Greek myth of MEDEA, the “crazy” woman who murdered her children and was socially condemned, but actually was a genious so her lover took advantage of her over and over again

[@aleandra3945]

in the book she was wayyy crazier

[@UATU.]

Stephen King did an amazing job depicting her character, she was a combination of the “crazy nurse” that killed people she perceived as being a burden or nuisance, and killed infants and elderly people because she saw them as suffering (poor things). But he constructed her patterns of thinking and habits that we are now used to seeing in depictions of true crime serial killers. She went to great lengths to make herself appear normal to neighbors while hiding evidence and meticulously documenting her kills. I still marvel that he was tuned into those behaviors way back in 1987.

[@astrumandroda9970]

Allison god, i love that book so much

[@tonichan89]

I don't know her but I was sold as soon as you said child murder

[@mychannel-lp9iq]

Pleaaase do a take on *Villanelle from Killing Eve*

[@joaninha3484]

Yes definitely! Why do I feel myself sympathising with a heartless assassin? Also it may be the first time a nasty female is allowed to be humorous. So much is down to her amazing acting.

[@oof-rr5nf]

here is my take on killing eve: gay rights watching jodie comer and sandra oh together for sure has made atleast 30% gayer

[@LittleMissV]

Please do “The Exotic Woman” trope. I’d love to see you break that apart. I’ve lived with being seen as that all my life, and it’s honestly shitty. We’re seen as less of a person and more of a weird kink.

[@Anne-ln7cq]

In today's society It feels like people are romanticizing metal illness rather than sympathizing with it

[@jensivers2079]

I agree. Being "crazy" is considered cute or cool. Having depression, anxiety or bipolar disorder is cast as a quirky personality trait by some people.

[@JP-ve7or]

Not just today. When Elizabeth "Prozac Nation" Wurtzel passed recently, I was reminded of how romanticized the mentally unstable, beautiful girl image was revered in the 90s.

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

:(

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

bookmarking.

[@slightlydistressedslug6627]

I think in some ways, sympathizing with mental illness and romanticizing it overlap for some people because of their attraction to the idea of someone broken who they can “save” and “fix” with their love. not necessarily in the interest of helping, but of holding that much power in someone’s life. they find vulnerability appealing. they want to be needed. that’s why there are so many stories of the insecure girl, the quiet girl, the shy girl, attracting a guy’s attention, which she either pretends not to want (but secretly does), or thinks she doesn’t deserve, until by the end he changes her and she can live happily ever after now that she has him. mental illness takes that a step further, but I feel like the basic premise is the same :/

[@MyssBlewm]

The Crazy Woman has always been among my favorite character tropes. A simple way to dismiss a woman's agency and gaslight her is by telling her she's crazy. Edit: I have to add, that is why I find movies about The Crazy Woman interesting. I can never rely on the POV of the writer/director with some of these films.

[@GARY84ROCKS]

You mean like Dr. Bellows in I Dream Of Jeannie? Oh wait, that's a male character, gaslit over the "good" woman's exploits. This trope stuff is REAL sloppy. On this channel anyway.

[@mandlerparr1]

@@GARY84ROCKS What are you even talking about? Even if we want to get into how they are always tricking him into thinking he didn't experience what he actually did-it is never at Jeannnie's insistence. She could give a rat's ass and only goes along with it because she is doing the bidding of her "master." Jeannie doesn't care what people know about her. She is doubly controlled by both her status as the western view of a Genie and her love for Major Nelson-who essentially owns her as a kept woman, deriving all the benefits of such without openly accepting her as his partner. Jeannie is not gaslighting anyone-Major Nelson is manipulating everyone in the show for his own wants and pleasure.

[@melodyrichardson5051]

FLYING DREAM PRODUCTIONS Don’t you incels have anything better to do than troll women?

[@JoshuaRellick]

The Crazy ex-girlfriend stories are often ways of making jokes out of abusive relationships by making the man the victim of the abuse. People wouldn't find it funny if the woman was the victim of a crazy ex-boyfriend.

[@_Sakidora_]

Was it dismissing a woman's agency when people called Rose West crazy for taking part in the rape and murder of other women, including her own daughter?

[@evildoesnotsleep-x2b]

i'd love a deeper exploration into Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and how it masterfully subverts the expectations of the trope

[@Luboman411]

Can you do an analysis of the "Crazy" man too? Those seem to be quite common in films and TV shows. But it seems that, unlike the "Crazy" woman, the "Crazy" man is oftentimes portrayed as a neutered, under-sexed or asexual lone genius or an underdog ready to prove the haters wrong. That's a far more positive portrayal than what the "Crazy" woman usually gets.

[@janefehr2028]

Luboman411 yeah. After all many people hailed Joker because he is relatable. However a crazy woman, no matter how sad/tragic a backstory is less sympathetic to the audience.

[@alexsmith2910]

@@Chris-rg6nm Well, thanks, Chris, for telling women what they want. I'm certain you sure spoke for everyone else... Chris.

[@Lumosnight]

Chris I’m a woman and I’m sympathetic towards women who’ve been called ‘crazy’, because they’ve been labeled due to not conforming to the norm. So you don’t speak for me.

[@sierra3644]

lmao

[@jarod2828]

Forgot the psycho-killer in that group. Which is funny, I was thinking of the backstory of Jason Vorhees as a parallel to the crazy-because-a-man-made-her type.

[@MimiTheHamster]

I’ve had someone say I remind them if harley quinn and now I’m thinking it was more an insult than a compliment. Guys also told me some of the “crazy” shit I say is somehow a turn on, but really when I said them it was coming from a dark and broken place. It’s sad how people will objectify our illnesses in that regard.

[@Jess-ih9bv]

Watching this while my teacher has connectivity problems lmao

[@FunnyLittleFrog]

movies/tv shows mentioned in this video that i have seen: - silver linings playbook - suicide squad - gone girl - misery - rosemary's baby - woman under the influence - repulsion - black swan - streetcar named desire - blue jasmine - carrie - three women - miss congeniality - harry potter: order of the phoenix - ingrid goes west - death becomes her - orange is the new black - crazy ex-girlfriend ps. i wish they also metioned Netflix's Horse Girl oh well great video anyways!

[@FunnyLittleFrog]

Hi. It starts off well but the ending is kinda messy. Overall, it's not bad. One can learn a thing or 2 from watching it

[@JoshuaRellick]

I think there is a difference between "crazy girl" and "psychopath girl". Silver linings playbook is crazy girl. Gone girl and Misery are psychopath girl. There is a big difference between being irrational and being evil.

[@adelachobotova4870]

The academy loves to award actresses playing this kind of role, especially the "descending into madness" typy. Bergman, Leigh, Blanchett, Theron and Portman all won oscars for them

[@christopherbrown2706]

It's deep, dramatic Oscar bait. They love historical dramas too

[@thatemilygirl9104]

Would love to see an "analysis of detectives" like Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, or Columbo in film.

[@konraddygudaj257]

“As you know, madness is like gravity...all it takes is a little push.” The Joker - Heath Ledger

[@restingsadface]

ah yes, the old “all it takes is a dramatic, unlikely, cartoonishly bad day to push some one over the edge”, truly a classic

[@konraddygudaj257]

@@restingsadface The Killing Joke- Alan Moore... Yes I know

[@monabohamad2242]

@@restingsadface you remind me of the Joker says "Why SOOOO SERIOUS"

[@marijag]

Please do a video on the "playboy" trope like Barney from How I met your Mother,Joey from FRIENDS and Charlie from Two and a Half Men

[@RickReasonnz]

More of a player than a playboy

[@shalini_sevani]

good one

[@sugarkats21]

Marija and so they granted your wish!

[@monabohamad2242]

@@RickReasonnz aren't they basically the same thing? if not then what's the difference?

[@pythonjava6228]

"Crazy isn't being broken. It's you or me amplified" I felt that😔✊

[@MrWhiteVzla]

"Look at the modern interpretation of Harley Quinn." You mean the one that DC fans hate because they turned a great character into a ball of thirst? Yes, people still hate her

[@radiyasidialiyu9281]

How did they turn her into a ball of third

[@MrWhiteVzla]

@@radiyasidialiyu9281 Thirst, my lad. Not third

[@vyssla]

Really good one

[@JoshuaRellick]

But people shouldn't automatically be more sympathetic with someone just because they are a woman. It is okay to think about the affects of mental illness, but it shouldn't only be for one gender.

[@monabohamad2242]

@@JoshuaRellick yeah people shouldn't be automatically more sympathetic with someone just because they're a Man

[@SonyaEthelMUA]

Debbie from Addams Family is one of my favourite crazies. She was perfect 😂

[@acrylicgodoy]

"That I can forgive...but Debbie?? ..Pastels!?"

[@frannyc7248]

The hole addams family were crazy but they were all cool.

[@Silvercentipede]

All she wanted was love, and jewellery for gods sake!!!!!!!! Was that so much to ask?!?!!!!!!

[@welcometothemetaverse2523]

Am I just realizing that Joker film 2019 basically the male equivalent of the Nervous Breakdown Crazy Girl trope?

[@lindenpeters2601]

Yes. Every female trope has a male version, just the percentage of portrayals is different between genders.

[@domhuckle]

And it was insanely popular. Wonder what would have happened with a female protagonist?...

[@welcometothemetaverse2523]

@@Chris-rg6nm Well let's see, in the Crazy Man trope we've got like Norman Bates, Hannibal Lecter, Kevin Spacey in Se7en, Jack Torrance, and almost any Jack Nicholson role. Nuanced pychos like Robert DeNiro in Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, Edward Norton in Primal Fear, Robin Williams in One Stop Photo. What catagory does Nicholas Cage fit in? He seems to be a category all his own.

[@welcometothemetaverse2523]

@@domhuckle They'd probably sexualize her.

[@crazychill6263]

I am incredibly shocked to notice how much of this I have internalized over the years and how many of my actions are influenced by not wanting to appear like a "crazy woman".

[@onebeauty1133]

I needed this! I’m tired of being called crazy by users n manipulators. It’s sad how people can hurt you without a care in the world or repercussions and then switch everything around, lie and call you “crazy.” F them

[@Crimson28]

Livewire: “Are you crazy?!” Harley Quinn: “...YEAH!”

[@slothbaby2104]

She is not really crazy more like she has been abused, gaslighted to the point were she is not the person she first was and now lives in jokers shadow no matter and will come back to him and just tell her self it was her fault for making Joker mad

[@Harleyxjokerforever]

@@slothbaby2104 Actually DC has been writing Harley as someone who always been unhinged/unstable and Joker simply a excuse to act on those repressed impulses. I think it way of making Harley more independent and her character less dependent on Joker.

[@slothbaby2104]

@@Harleyxjokerforever Thats interesting I never heard of that, where can I read this version? in the Batman TAS she started out as a sane person that was brain washed by the Joker into loving him and now she is stuck in a cycle of being a supervillain

[@ChaoticButterfly]

@@slothbaby2104 Yeah, but part of the reason women, particularly uptight women (which she had shoehorned herself into the role of), fall for "bad boys" is the promise of freedom and rebellion that they open the door to, for the woman. In the comics, it was much the same. She wasn't brainwashed, I'd say, so much as manipulated into letting go, too much. Because matter how bad she is, Joker's still "worse."

[@slothbaby2104]

@@ChaoticButterfly Not in the cartoon and her first appearance, the Joker made her feel empathy for him and feed her sad fake stories about his childhood to brain wash her it was in the episode Mad Love from the Batman tas but in The Batman they did this to her, Harley just wanted fun and it was less brain washing

[@Sam-0827]

Omg girl interrupted was such a great memoir! That book was amazing. Oddly positive, yet realistic. I love the debunking of tropes 😍

[@HeiressOfLoganbeeren]

Thank you so much, ladies! I'm loving this trope series!

[@lenbmark]

This is HANDS DOWN my favorite YT channel. Such salient commentary on the evolution of feminism as told by Hollywood

[@smms905]

I love how The Take literally takes on female characters and tropes through out popular media. Sometimes we dont even know that our way of thinking has been shaped by the media we consume. We very rarely consider how in/accurate it is or not unless we are particularly affected by it. Thank you, I really appreciate this.

[@elisabettaferrari7195]

I waited until the end of the video to see a commentary on how Crazy Ex Girlfriend does a perfect debunking of the trope, guess I have to wait for an entire analysis of the series!

[@katherinecarter9691]

I was hoping you would talk about “Crazy Ex Girlfriend”. Great video, though.

[@13realmusic]

Saw this in another comment, but you should cover the sad boy/sad girl trope. It's like the solution to bad mental health situations is falling in love.

[@morganfarrell2442]

I adored this analysis. Blanche is one of my favourite examples of a character driven to madness by cruelty.

[@bethanyskinner4030]

I know i said this on the previous trope video but please do a video about the ladies man/womaniser trope 😊

[@bethanyskinner4030]

I really like these trope videos though!

[@rosabarrios7048]

I'd say that's in the bad boy trope

[@christopherbrown2706]

@@rosabarrios7048 not always

[@blackdragon6]

Anne Wilks is about crazy fandoms tho. Not women specifically 🙄😒. speaking of which, are we going to get a video about the crazy fandoms?

[@Tishauna7]

Exactly! She's the dark version of comic book guy 😂

[@blackdragon6]

@@Tishauna7 exactly Like Star Wars fans 😂

[@BloodOfMadara]

Blackdragon6 Oooh hell yeah! I would like to see that!

[@Midorikonokami]

The woman in a man's world, Ophelia from Shakespeare's Hamlet is one of the clearest early examples, and it's funny that Taming of the Shrew is a classic case of gaslighting too

[@aname6714]

I'm so glad you mentioned Wide Sargasso Sea! Although Jane Eyre is considered a piece of feminist literature, Bronte just uses "the woman in the attic" as a plot device and all we really know about her is that she's crazy and from the Caribbean, playing into the idea of an "exotic" danger. Rhys humanises her character so much by channelling her own, similar experiences into the story and showing her perspective.

[@catgirl6803]

As a single/childfree by choice woman, the "crazy woman" trope is really offensive to me, so thank you for doing this video. I literally grew up afraid that if I didn't have kids I'd be seen in society as crazy due to movies like Fatal Attraction or TV shows that portray the single/childfree aunt as a little kooky (Like Aunt Jackie on Roseanne). These movies are basically saying, if you're not a housewife/mother you become unhinged. Being single and childfree must be so unfulfilling and lonely that you'll have a nervous breakdown and murder the men who won't take you.

[@niharikatadaka3479]

can you guys do the woc trope I feel like they're usually the same plots and even with them being a leads they're always doing the same role, the side character just to add color, the lead that always has some sort of career goal, or the comic

[@VictoriaPutinski]

Amazing breakdown of my favourite character types! Also Azula from ATLA would have fit in here perfectly.

[@kirstennewell185]

Yet another example of how women in film are only admirable if they are hot (e.g.: cool girl, crazy girl, tough girl, femme fatale, crazy girl and manic pixie dream girl). Doesn't matter about any of these traits; so long as she's hot, she's a character worth rooting for

[@linaaviles430]

There’s a lot of videos I don’t like of yours, but I really do love these trope analysis. As a writer, they’ve helped me realize how to use it and how to not use them.

[@YouFightLikeACow]

Can we just say that this series of videos you're doing about tropes is just amazing and it gets good views so keep doing it

[@melodicaheart415]

I wish people weren’t so afraid of mental illnesses

[@LucyLioness100]

Always easier said than done of course. I doubt that people will ever truly understand

[@ALu-nq8rf]

Honestly, though, mental illness is a bitch to deal with as both the afflicted and friends/family. It's terrifying for both parties, but I think that fear should be the point of mutual understanding. Mental illness sucks, so let's all try and help each other and ourselves.

[@Hyzentley]

@@ALu-nq8rf Yes. But what the media does not understand is that it is terrible for the friends/family because it hurts seeing someone suffer and destroy themselves and not really being able to help in most cases (thats what medication and professionals are for), not because they are physically dangerous or violent.

[@Silvercentipede]

I don’t know why but this is making me so emotional

[@unwilling_fan]

Men see crazy women and want to sleep with them (Harley Quinn) Men see crazy men and want to BE them (Joker)

[@chrisparkes]

Can I add that for about the first half of Fatal Attraction, Alex Forrester's behaviour is actually fairly rational and fair and the film (albeit framed by an attachment disorder) is adult enough to make us feel queasy about Dan's selfishness and lack of accountability. It's after that point that she becomes a movie invention and Crazy Woman emerges. Thanks for another fantastic video The Take, there are so many videos trying to do the same thing without your nuance and empathy.

[@zucchinigreen]

Love that they highlighted Jean Rhys' Wide Sargosso Sea as a clapback to Jane Eyre. That book changed my life as a teen and I'm sure many other young Caribbean women readers. Anyone from Trinidad here?

[@yerawizardjimmeh809]

Can you do the hypersexualized, “fiery” redhead trope? They’re always seen as sex objects, or unstable in film and it would be interesting to know the origins of that.

[@starrsmith3810]

Except for Merida. She was the typical not like other girls trope, I liked her but I hate when people act like she’s the first Disney princess to want more then just a conventional life

[@ephilx]

Labels are the only thing that can make one feel safe when something's too complex to understand

[@gh0ulgirl]

just an after thought: gone girl is kinda also about how nick and amy are both shitty people and they end up together because they deserve each other. loved this video and how in-depth you guys go and give ample types and examples!! 😊

[@lupelupelupe]

I wish this talked about Norma Bates in Psycho. Where the plot twist was that she didn't exist, and that the idea of a murderous "crazy" woman was conditioned in our minds throughout the film.

[@phoebe8584]

Honestly I appreciate these videos so much I can’t even explain! I find the sexism and misogyny me and the ppl around me have to deal with really hard sometimes. But having videos like this recognise these problems (that I think about all the time) makes me feel like I’m not being unreasonable/ self serving in being so upset by it. Makes me feel like I’m not the “hysterical” woman that ppl make women out to be, just like pointed out in this video. Thank you so much for this channel, I love these videos so much, I hope you recognise how truly helpful they are for women! ❤️

[@veronicalanderos8481]

I called out a guy on his bs and he called me a psycho 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

[@thatone6913]

i feel like this has a effect on young girls 2. when i and some of my friends go to class or hang around guys we either try 2 act cooler like chill or rly loud and more fun, and i’m gay so idk just a thought. and when a guy does something wrong and a girl calls it out even if not calmly and she is upset guys are just like “calm down feminist” smh 😔

[@jhaneonyx1189]

I'd love to see you guys explore the "passive, funny flamboyant cliché, non sexual gay man" trope vs. the "lesbians are always badasses/ only there to excite the straight male audience because straight women are comfortable with their sexuality" trope. I'm a huge fan of your Tropes examined and explained series.

[@mariposadelaire5390]

Suzanne, "crazy eyes", is my favorite character within this trope and from oitnb. And how well the actress plays her... uff.

[@Noone76590]

This channel is so great because it actually spends time thinking about female characters critically and I love it!