Aruba Instant On AP 15 & 1930 8G PoE Review

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[@TheAbevalle]

I've been watching your videos for years. For the first time ever I know what you're talking about completely. I use Aruba at work

[@KevinButzen]

On Aruba’s new APs (not instant on) they can be configured as “Instant APs” allowing one AP to act as a controller locally. It has more features and requires no licensing.

[@Bierkameel]

I switched from Unifi to Aruba Instant On and love it, I run a AP15 and AP11D at home and they perform great.

[@MMeffert]

Can you comment about the performance difference? I’m looking to switch from UniFi to something better. I would be interested in the performance and roaming difference.

[@cool2180]

can you use a ubiquiti transceiver in a aruba switch

[@mhrsolanki2020]

Hey .. I have been watching your videos and I love them!! Being from non IT background, I am quite surprised at how much I am able to understand (albeit is more about your clear communication than about my capability to grasp). I have used these things after I watched your videos 1. Bitwarden, 2. XCP-NG and 3. Zero-tier. Thank you so much Tom! ♥️ Edit:spelling

[@davidg4512]

0:45 don't become Linus from Linus tech tips, dropping everything hahahaha

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Yeah, gotta keep it real.

[@augurseer]

No one drops like my fellow Canadian !!!! Though Tom is a worthy second. :)

[@tokillthelight]

"Instant on", takes 8 minutes to boot.

[@Ajicles]

Having a startup config and running config like cisco hardware has is handy if you are configuring a router remotely and you have it set to reboot in 30 or so minutes. If you lock yourself out it will reboot and restore the configuration back.

[@pepeshopping]

No cloud “solutions” for me. The less dependencies, the better probability of working correctly.

[@andrewlangley2221]

USB is used in the Non-instanton version (the 15 is the same hardware as the AP315) to use a cellular modem for Remote AP configurations.

[@friedrich1277]

Do you know if its possible to flash a same hardware different device firmware via the console port? My AP11 should be the same hardware then IAP303 which comes with a cloud free configuration.

[@Uriel602]

That clip for tiled ceilings is neat

[@RuuDBoY868]

Cisco needs to adapt these

[@awstott]

@@RuuDBoY868 was just going to post that - I swapped out 6 APs today and was not impressed with how much of a pain the Cisco mounts are

[@garyadams7913]

Switch looks solid but lack of local management for the AP is a no go for me. Have used Aruba products and have found them solid.

[@doofusgilmore7164]

I've tested Aruba instant on devices. I like them and would probably deploy them for customers if the ap's mounting option didn't suck. They need ap's like ubiquiti that fit tight against the ceiling.

[@cfresh44]

Check out the Instant On AP 22. It has a flush ceiling mount kit. It’s also WiFi 6 certified.

[@JasonLeaman]

I love my AP ! Thanks for the good video sir !

[@JustAnotherPontiacGuy]

"There is no way to locally manage this..." Welp, I'm out.

[@PFSMusic]

I'm a tac engineer for Aruba, and If you desire a local management IAP's can be a low cost option. The "controller" aspect is built into them so you can link multiple IAP's together There can be some good deals for used iap's, and since they don't need license it can be cost effective.

[@ismaeljrp1]

@@Bryan1342 Mind sharing what that lesson was? Meraki is pretty good at this and AFAIK they are also exclusively cloud managed.

[@HayNaku]

@@PFSMusic How do you locally manage it?

[@PFSMusic]

@@HayNaku if it's a IAP it has a web server on it's ip address assigned by your networks dhcp server. You can also set a static IP once it's up or by using apboot.

[@HayNaku]

@@PFSMusic Thank you, I tried this already but it only shows an info page. I'll try to have a look again maybe I missed something.

[@chrismallia29]

Thats what happened to the Xclaim APs I deployed, the company shut xclaim down and since they are cloud-managed they now are all zombies, they still pass data but I can't configure them anymore and those APs cost over $200 each.

[@AG-fx9sl]

Aruba has been in networking for 17 years and are second in revenue to Cisco. They are owned by HPE. I don't imagine they will close their doors anytime soon.

[@chrismallia29]

​@@AG-fx9sl Xclain is Ruckus, they did not close there doors but decided to discontinue that product line. so I do not trust any cloud-hosted products anymore. I do not take any more decisions by Imagining or having faith in a product that can render my network useless if they just decide to do so. There is no wrong or right here just preference.

[@TomMorris1]

I have a couple of Xclaim Xi-3's still working, they do have the option of a local web interface: web.archive.org/web/20170904140554/dl.dropboxusercontent.com/spa/e8jywojea07eltq/xclaim-web-interface/index.html You may need to factory reset the AP before the web interface will show.

[@jeanmorin4580]

Great review, as always! I wonder, the Ethernet connector on the AP is oddly placed where the cable will stick right up to the ceiling, especially if you using that nifty tile bracket?

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

It would be good to compare these to Aruba Instant AP's which are some of the same hardware but the Instant AP's have a virtual software controller and one of the AP's acts as a master to the other AP's on the network. The WAP's then form a cluster and if the master is lost a selection process is run on the WAP's to select a new master. Once you out grow this mode you can add a local controller. Multiple controllers can by managed by a local isntall of Aruba Air Wave or via a cloud solution. Another good thing about the Instand AP's & Aruba switches is the lifetime free software upgrades and lifetime NBD warranties. That warranty was great when I worked for a MSP where we supplied HP Procurve switches which are now the Aruba switches.

[@Exploited89]

Finally some Aruba content from you guys! We've been using HPE-Aruba gear for years and never had any particular problems with them....switches feature-wise are miles ahead Unifi at a similar price! This said I've used instant APs a bit and I'm not impressed... EoL is usually 5-6 years with Aruba, I truly hope they'll be supported for a lot more. Oh and AP11 SUCKS big time, even an AC-Lite is much better 😄

[@AG-fx9sl]

Aruba typically support 5 years past EOL.

[@stephanelaroche9605]

There are comments in the video, around 17m and towards the end, that the DPI is not granular enough. The Application tile was not reviewed in here, and under the Applications tab under that tile there are more granular information, for example the services that were used as part of the streaming category, plus usage per networks and more.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Yes, but it still lacks any real details.

[@stephanelaroche9605]

​@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Great review by the way, hope to see more!

[@jensdroessler3575]

Now do the Aruba 1930 24port! And please test throughput with load and QoS/VLANs in use.

[@andrewseamaster]

Like the mounts and the switch having the wall mount our handy. Not sure how they will develop this out and if they will get bored and turn it off?

[@aallien]

You said you don’t like captive portals. What do you use for public Wi-Fi? I’m trying to decide if I want to use a captive portal for free outdoor wireless, but I’m concerned about the adoption rate if a WPA2 password is used. I am considering using either a captive portal with a click through terms of use as least and potentially a timeout on the connection for each device. I’ll be using Unifi AP’s, I’ve deployed several of them (100 at one place and small 4-12 at small businesses). All of them have been a controlled environment, no truly public wireless access.

[@TheSecurityAgency]

Remember, cloud is just a fancy word for the third-party computer. Is there someone ready to abandon their very own computer in favor of somebody promises, not to mention absence of privacy?

[@jcnash02]

No traffic goes to the cloud.

[@Max-jv3yg]

No cloud connected, dial home devices, for me. Bad UI/UX. I didn't see any telemetry settings. I assume they're collecting your data?

[@wrf1657]

I wonder about the support ... I user HPE/Aruba enterprise equipment. Been very happy with HP/Aruba support so will you be able to do phone in support with the instant on lineup?

[@Aneudys1010]

I'm curious to know what are you thoughts with Aruba Instant On vs Ubiquiti?

[@TheSecurityAgency]

Common, you know the answer. It might be that he doesn't notices but he is definitely biased toward Ubiquity, may be it was his first sexperience with an access point

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Ubiquity was not my first W.A.P. 😂

[@Aneudys1010]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 😂😂

[@TheSecurityAgency]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 😂 👍

[@alfaromeo2842]

Does the 1930 support generic SFPs?

[@emmett3067]

No cost for accessing the portal... today. Cloud = no thanks.

[@DJCarlido]

Got one of these last year to test. Gotta say i was underwhelmed. It looks like they have updated their app but at the time the IOS app did not have the functionality to assign guest SSIDs. ill dig my one out again and test again :)

[@AG-fx9sl]

They have the ability to set 8 separate SSIDs per network, including guest networks.

[@gorfmaster1]

Great review. It would be cool to see these compared to the Meraki Go AP's. They seem like they have similar concepts, but I would like to see which features each have so I can decide which one would be best for each scenario.

[@jcnash02]

The Meraki go is very limited on VLANs and such. If you don’t need anything but basic, they’re both good. Meraki Go has a firewall.

[@barrybpl]

Sounds like not so Instant On with that (re)boot time :o

[@novawarningsirens]

I wonder, do you need a paid license to use this?

[@bambusbjoerntech6932]

So sad, that even 2 years later you still have to decide, if you want full functionality or cloud management on the switch side.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Yup

[@davidj7823]

Do they continue to work if you break the connection to the portal after setup/onboarding?

[@AG-fx9sl]

Yes. They do.

[@mikescott4008]

2 years on are you using these much vs Unifi. Warranty and such is better than Unifi

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

We still use UNiFi way more than Aruba.

[@mikescott4008]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 👍 Got both options at mo, but need to spend £2k to get my house wired so that more is wired in than on WiFi etc. Not powered on the HPE Aruba kit yet, still in NIB 1930 and AP25 UniFi AP6 lite and the 16 port PoE switch

[@veryboringname.]

Has anyone tried the switch with Dante? Any issues?

[@augurseer]

Aruba eh? Haven't set them up in years.

[@wjjohns04able]

Does anyone have any idea if you need a license to run unifi access points with Aruba switches? Im looking at a 9230F and its a little unclear if you need licenses and any other gear to make them work.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

No, neither need a license

[@wjjohns04able]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Thank you!!

[@iotapi322]

Little known fact on the 1930 switches you can’t do VLANS over lag connections.

[@ianaway]

I will still continue with Ubiquiti product :)

[@NatureDerek]

Not a flush mount? no WAF, no home deployment.

[@vijgai3]

Access points with no local management? No thanks. I will stick with UniFi for access points. The switch looks fine though.

[@flintsrt8]

HP

[@davidg4512]

First like, first view, first comment. Notification squad.

[@buscentral900]

Remember to tell your parents

[@davidg4512]

@@buscentral900 yep, just did.

[@augurseer]

I think you'll love Tom's videos.

[@madoooon]

the problem with this channel is that its too bias towards unifi and pfsense. unifi is not even close to enterprise.

[@kolt9307]

What features would you say its lacking to say its not close to enterprise?

[@madoooon]

@@kolt9307 lets start with reliability / stability.

[@joshuabrixey4679]

@@madoooon Do you have a particular model that you are thinking of? My experience with both enterprise gear and Unifi is that they are on the same level with reliability and stability. Same thing with PFSense. I must say that their features/management aren't always up to enterprise-level (although good enough for me), but that's all I can think of.

[@kolt9307]

@@joshuabrixey4679 Ive never had those issues; ive set up multiple unifi controllers with lots of AP's and multiple PFsense installations with next to no issues. I tend to do big public sector and Academy builds which require a lot of AP's and they have less budget than the big companies. Ive had way more issues with Cisco and HP in my time. I might be getting lucky though.

[@madoooon]

​@@joshuabrixey4679 your experience maybe helping you more than you think. ive tried the access points and wouldnt try it again. i wouldnt even think of deploying in a mission critical situation. maybe in a restaurant where the manager can go in the back and power cycle the devices when they start acting up. but for situations where down-time is not acceptable. they are way too risky. ive even heard the same about the switches. my first unifi ap device died after 15mins of use, and the second still wasnt super stable. they are also missing some adaptive radio features and IDS features which i really require. PFsense is rock solid and has good feature-set. i did use it and have no complaints. but most people who try OPNsense GUI wouldnt go back to PFsense. and there are also some situations where PFsense/OPNsense is not the best choice. you would never think any other routers or firewalls companies exist watching this channel.

[@cocobeware9442]

Aruba is part of HP, same setup as rip-off cisco

[@tschaderdstrom2145]

HPE/Aruba isn't even close to the price of Cisco...

[@cocobeware9442]

@@tschaderdstrom2145 Still wank.

[@Obelixlxxvi]

Don't like their cloud interface compared to Ubiquiti.