Wall Fishing Tools & How To Use Them When Dealing With Fire Stops and Insulation

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[@kristopherleslie8343]

Tom what about concrete? Any videos on that?

[@ignaciorodgar7007]

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[@cheddarcheese]

Always cut horizontal first! If you hit a stud or obstacle, you can turn back and cut the other direction.

[@zachsmith1674]

Carson Edwards or use a stud finder

[@christianapplewhite9384]

@@zachsmith1674 the stud finder loves telling you where those service feeds are

[@dsterry74]

Walabot

[@MsDaddyrabbit1]

Darrell Terry - I think it is only Android

[@ALTONBENALLY]

@@jasonjrf Try replacing the battery. Mine would detect power on walls that had no wires at all. Replaced the battery and it surprisingly stopped doing that.

[@KaraAshleyThrace]

Great video for starters. I do cabling from time to time and had everything I've learned tossed out the window by one building. The building is/was a 195 year old Hotel. We installed 30 UniFi Protect cameras. I brought all the tools you mentioned in this video along with some extras like a Borescope, and a extra long Steel fish tapes, (120'). This Hotel had been remodeled an unknown number of times. While the current owner had owned it for 40 years, he was completely hands off in terms of maintenance. Current people who were familiar with the building included a 30yr who had worked there for about 5 years and myself. I have been the IT person for over a decade. The hotel had never had cameras and the wifi system was limited to a single wired UniFi AP and 2 remote wireless Uplinks, only about 1/3rd of the hotel had usable wifi. One of the ceilings was solid wire mesh and basically isolated each floor like a faraday cage. I planed for 3-5 days. It took 10 days, 10-12 hr a day, and over 5500' of ethernet. Most of the walls were anywhere from 3-5" thick with newer sheetrock on top of plaster from the 50s, on top of wood paneling, there was then a gap that varied from 4" to 10" and the original walls which were some type of plaster, that literally took chisels to break and was effectively concrete. The older wood, 100yr+, was in a type of petrified state that took hammer drills to get through. In addition there were multiple sections of the building that had granite support walls. These walls were around 14" thick solid granite. In addition to the 30 cameras, I added 3 more APs bringing out total to 6 and that got us about 80% coverage. At least there was usable wifi in all the hallways. We pulled the 2/3 of the ethernet from a single wiring cabinet on the ground floor. There are 3 stories above the ground floor total 4, the top floor is unused and wasn't touched. We put a remote switch/box on the 3rd floor and ran 5 cameras from it. Due to other problems with the ceiling on that floor we found it easier to run wiring to one of the back hallways from the ground floor to the 2nd floor then used one of the sprinkler pipes as a guide to get to the 3rd floor. Between the ceiling of the 2nd floor and the 3rd floor is about 5-6' of sub ceilings and sub floors. The floors don't exactly line up and it was something of a nightmare getting to the 3rd floor, took nearly an entire day due to sub floors, brick walls, granite walls etc. The current height of the hallway ceilings is around 10' on the 2nd and 3rd floors, though it is not consistent. The ground floor has a more reasonable 8' ceiling though some rooms have 10-12' ceilings.

[@jusrobington]

Jesus, that sounds like a nightmare. Thanks for sharing

[@iamdave84]

Best part about those nightmare jobs is the satisfaction when you finish

[@SonOfAdolf]

Easy

[@N1ck00]

The weight increase must be insane. Remove all the extra layers and do it properly and you'd gain another 1000 sqft!

[@Zenas521]

I like your calm mater a fact style to information sharing. It seems like everyone else is ether boring or overtly dramatic. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@NMETSGChan]

I use a template made of MDF for the mud plate hole to have the hole at the same height and cut it with a oscillator cutter. Saves me a lot of time.

[@mikey510]

i love that even while shooting a video in a controlled environment you were able to show the things that go wrong. i love a flex bit but dam can they be a pain sometimes. and the coax coming off of the magnet there at the end was priceless, yet lucky. I've had that happen countless times mid wall and had to pull it back out and start over, oh well that's how we learn.

[@fsevilla1]

I have been doing this for many years and never have i gotten a beer out of a wall. I think i need more training on this methodology!!!!!!

[@lelandclayton5462]

I've found an empty beer bottle but never a full bottle inside of a wall.

[@scottr8588]

@@lelandclayton5462 I think I would be worried about the rest of the wiring in that house.

[@beepbeep9043]

so how do you reach the top of the wall where you drill the first hole in a house thats already built. isnt the top of the wall already attached to the cieling?

[@technicaldisasters]

I’m gearing up to pull Cat6 through the house and this helped immensely. I wished I could find some videos that cover complex building scenarios. Seems like only one wall in my whole house was standard. Everything else is super weird.

[@hatchetman29]

Thanks for the video. I learned something so wanted to reciprocate: you can run a wall sensor from the planned outlet location on up to the spot where you would insert the fishing wire. If there's a fireblock then it saves you from making a hole. Building code says the integrity of a fireblock must be maintained so I've just slid over and picked a new spot so I didn't have to mess with it. But I realize that may not be an option for some installs.

[@proanswers]

10:08 1 1/4 bit (hole) on a 2x6 wall could be a building violation of code. Most electricians keep their inspector happy by drilling 3/4-in. holes dead center on a 3-1/2 in. wide stud. I advise anyone drilling holes in bearing or non bearing walls to understand dia. size. must keep the structure strong heres a general list: Holes in bearing wall studs (exterior and interior walls that bear the weight of the roof and/or other stories above) may not exceed 40 percent of the width of the stud. Notches in bearing wall studs may not exceed 25 percent of the stud’s width. Holes in non-bearing walls can’t exceed 60 percent of their width. Notches in non-bearing walls can’t exceed 40 percent of their width. The edge of a hole must be at least 5/8 in. from the edge of a stud. A ceiling joist or floor joist allows a hole of 33% of the size of the lumber, but holes cannot be bored within 2 inches of the top or bottom. On a stud, holes cannot be bored within 5/8 of an inch from the edge, but Article 300.4 of the NEC requires holes bored within 1-1/4 inch from the edge to have nailer plates. * yes I realize this is Low voltage cable and NM-B would not be (should not be by code) in the same raceway/holes.

[@clydeperrine2959]

Another tip when installing cable and mud rings. When it is time to cut the hole you traced, get a sheet of paper and set it on the floor under the hole you are about to saw. The paper will catch most if not all of the drywall dust you make when sawing the hole.

[@josenoevargas]

Or get a small hand vac.

[@Warren15G]

Turn on a vac while you’re sawing or use it when you’re done sawing

[@iamdave84]

Piece of paper is a great idea even if vacuuming after. Vacuum never seems to get 100%, but the paper first should take the lion's share.

[@TheRealAfroRick]

Awesome job guys. You've given me lots of ideas about ways to fish some Cat6 through my walls instead of relying on WiFi!

[@dhettinger80]

Great content, as a dyi guy some of these options where new to make, thanks for all the hard work!

[@johnbach3475]

Not only for info but showing when things don't go as planned and the humor got my sub...good work guys

[@Vaheen]

Thanks Tom and Cory, I have often wondered about how this was done. I am very happy that you made this video.

[@JJnATX]

I bet Corey is fun to work with. Thanks for not editing out the snags in this video either. Real stuff that happens on the job(s) every day.

[@hdtrejo]

Well done guys! Thank you for taking the time to make this video.

[@jimgriffiths2290]

What I like the most is how your instructions are presented. I watched this because I want to run coax cable from one room down to my basement. This has really helped me. Thanks

[@scottishiyama7599]

Very helpful, especially the wall mock-up showing 3 different conditions. Thank you!

[@greghercher2068]

I have literally been dreading running new wiring in my house that was built in 54 with no grounds because it has a lot of additions and shoddy fixes all over the place. There is no way of telling where the fire blocks are or anything like that so I have just avoided doing it. I just came across this video and I never knew there was a drill bit that is attached to the end of a fishing wire, that is a total life saver!

[@MattHawkinsUK]

Useful video. Glad you didn't edit out the imperfections. Much more useful to see a bit of reality rather than imply it works out perfectly everytime. +1 for the inclusion of some fine European beverages!

[@deliaramirez9361]

This is a great video! Your demonstration of each scenario was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. At least I know how it should be done. Thank you!!!

[@hawkeye_544]

Thanks so much! Fishing cold beers out of walls is a big part of my day... and the tutorial on electrical wiring / pulling was good too...

[@CardonaThe2nd]

You guys are great. So simple, yet so informative. Thank you!

[@realbartie]

Great stuff! Love that Auger Flex bit. Didn't know such a useful thing existed.

[@lrmccall12]

Very informative! The Manga-Pull blew me away haha! Thank you!!

[@360ModsandHacks]

This is super helpful man! I'm so glad I see this from tech KZbinrs because you guys know what were doing. This has been the most helpful video on KZbin so far! Building that wall was a great idea!

[@paulhubbard6634]

Honestly being an electrician and network installer for many years I see a bunch of issues with this video. First off when marking out cut in data rings NEVER use pen or marker. Always use pencil and mark it lightly so that you can erase any mark in the case of something being behind where you plan on putting your ring in. Secondly, you have a magnepull, a good pointer for anyone that has a magnepull would be to use the fish end (the leader end that goes in the wall) to find the drywall screws so you will know where the studs are before you even plan on marking out your spot as no wall in real life would have the screws exposed with no drywall mud on them. Third, when cutting your data ring in ALWAYS start in the centre of your ring shape mark and cut either way horizontally to make sure nothing is behind the wall where you want to put the ring in. Also good to start in the centre and cut vertically up then down from the centre line incase for the odd reason there is something lower or higher then your box you can adjust your marks before you have to fix the drywall. And last but not least, make sure you tape your wire onto your fish sticks, magnepull, fish tape or whatever means of fishing you are doing really well as sometimes fishing walls may take lots of time depending on how easy it is to fish and you don’t want to do it twice. Anyways, those are my pointers. Have a good day everyone

[@aggregatvier7847]

Better idea is to use blue painter's tape. Make your (alignment) marks on that and drill after verifying location. Then you can remove the tape without any marks left to erase. I also use this for sight lines, level lines, etc. and it allows you to adjust to new marks easily if something is off.

[@lespaul36]

As an ex electrician and telecom/datacom guy, I agree. I like the painter's tape idea, but most of us run broke and hurting for gas money LOL.

[@CertifiedScar]

Fish tape for those tricky pearlins “fire blocks” sometimes you can sneak your hook around it. Always enjoy watching videos relatively related to my trade of work!

[@omarc4ut]

Great idea to create a wall to show us different scenarios! Thank you very much.

[@PaulFillmoreIII]

Drilling the corners before cutting the hole is a great idea! Thanks!

[@h3nn310]

"reach your whole entire hand in there and pull your rod out" lol im dying.

[@derpsquad3306]

Just found this video It really helps me prepare for a DIY wire job im about to do :) Very detailed, very high quality, i feel confident i can now run my new hardwired security system through the attic. Thanks!

[@juan2049]

Wow Cory is such a great teacher! Easily one of the best videos covering this topic

[@marcusc3463]

Bro, I've learned more from watching your videos than any corse i've taken.. i really appreciate your hard work to bring us content.

[@irenovatedmv]

I enjoyed that video probably more than I should’ve. Good stuff. I’m inspired... Thanks so much for posting!!!

[@billsmith147]

Excellent video. Clear, concise, understandable, and thanks for the links to products to get the job done.

[@djlogic937]

GREAT video, thanks Tom! Next, can you please do a video on pulling a bunch of new drops through an attic, by yourself, with j-hooks, around corners, without the cables getting tangled? That's what I'm working on now and it's a real PITA! I'm lacking the formal training so a video would be amazing! Thanks for all the time you spend on educating us youtubers.

[@kevinpeters1944]

Cory is the best! Really appreciate the pre-wire work he's done at my house

[@andrecomanigault]

I have been working for myself full time since 2015.. it's great to see that I have been doing this the right way prett much from the start..

[@SaroG]

Great video; I wish I knew about that drill-bit fish rod when I was wiring back in the day!

[@nathanthreeleaf4534]

Even with insulation in the way, the glo-sticks (klein fish rods) worked perfectly for me. I didn't even know those things existed until this video. Thanks guys and nice beer choice :)

[@ultramanxk7]

This video can't get any simpler, thanks for telling us, how it is done!

[@CampingOutOfDebt88]

I put shingles on my own porch roof way back when. I found I hit my thumb with the hammer less after a couple of beers. I think it loosened me up a bit. So I always have a beer during my personal projects. Great video, I've been in all of these situations, without the proper tools of course.

[@Whats_noah_up_to]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! THIS VIDEO IS GOING TO HELP ME INSTALL MY HOME CAMERA SYSTEM FROM A CLOSED OFF CORNER! thank you thank you!

[@brianives7437]

That magnet pull is super cool! I never knew such a thing existed!

[@goodun2974]

Former telecom and home theater installer here: another option for fishing a fiberglass insulated wall: a 12 to 16 ounce lead fishing sinker with a string tied to it. It may require a 1"-plus hole in the top stud; but if you jerk on the string and bounce the lead weight, eventually it'll find the path of least resistance---- between the fiberglass and the sheetrock ---- and each time you jerk the string the weight will work its way father down inside the wall cavity. A "bank" sinker, or an ovoid, egg-shaped lead "drail" with pointed ends, worked well for me most of the time, but occasionally, the skinnier and more streamlined the weight, the better, like maybe a piece of 1/2 or 3/4" copper pipe filled with lead shot or molten lead. This technique is particularly usefull when you can't drill through the top plate, and/or are working inside a drop ceiling where you don't have much vertical height or room to manipulate glow rods.

[@rekaviles]

How have I never seen or heard of the flex auger drill bit before? Man, this would have saved my butt a few times over the years. Added to my cart! Thanks for this video.

[@aaronlynn1005]

I wish I would have seen a video like this before I started. Great video guys!!

[@dannypope1860]

My mind exploded when you drilled with the fishing wire... so cool

[@mybuddy3119]

And i thought i have seen all types of drill bit

[@kalimanx]

This is an EXCELLENT demonstration. You're awesome.

[@steveng8796]

Great Video, nice tip with marking with the holes on the bracket. I will definitely be using that over my plastic template which I can never find

[@ahabsbane]

Quick mag II, lovely little stud finder, I keep one stuck to both my 6 and 8 foot ladder

[@timreside1447]

Awesome! hey, I learned something today. thanks and I wish I could fish a beer too when I'm done pulling the cables. More power to your channel.

[@jeisonsanchez4842]

I like how Corey was trying to keep that last tip to himself 😂 thanks!

[@TheMemcon]

Great video demonstration. You can tell Cory really has done this 1000's of times, and did a really good job of explaining.

[@wertherland]

Fun and instructive video guys. I loved the pulling out a beer ending... that was unexpected and funny. Thank you!

[@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025]

For boxes I'll be installing frequently I make a template of hard cardboard to draw an outline, the I use a multitool with a vacuum to cut the wall. For pulling wire, I usually tape it on to the rod with packing tape that has fibreglass woven in - stickier, tougher and won't break.

[@tg9754]

Great video. We have beein installing structured cable for years but never used a magnapull. That's a handy tool. Thank You!

[@joesmith-cn6pp]

Dude awesome video wish I saw it a year ago. Ran into the fire stop scenario and had to go elsewhere cuz I didn’t know what to do. Magnepull plus beer, u guys deserve an Emmy.

[@m.l.miller219]

Never knew about the Magna Pulll. What a great tool. Thanks! Very informative and helpful video, too.

[@rahspardobvy709]

This was one of the best informational videos on KZbin. Thanks!

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Thanks

[@michaelpoczynek]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video, which appears to have taken quite some time and effort especially, considering you constructed the wall. I had no idea this stuff existed and I have been running wires for many years. Very interesting. Good stuff. Have a great day.

[@marlonmendoza2882]

The end was the best part. Thanks for the info.

[@danielhuynh01]

Thank you Lawrence, helpful video. Enjoy your beer

[@MakeitZUPER]

Well done. I definitely didn't expect the comic relief at the end. nice touch.

[@vinkenwood8233]

Great video, thanks. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who has walls like that. They are all brick. And we have a stone house.

[@ourjourneytohope]

Thanks for the demo and humor. Good job.

[@jackel440]

I've got to pull some wire soon and this was great info!

[@asdf51501]

You guys are great, I'm learning a ton of stuff.

[@jokinboken]

A nice bonus at the end!

[@johnsono3]

This really is an excellent video. Thanks a lot for sharing it with us.

[@ThePortmaccer]

Thanks, that's been really helpful the way you have explained it. Good work

[@RobBastien]

Great job....You gotta love that Magna-Pull!

[@hotdogjoe4039]

This is such a great video! It taught me a lot in just a small amount of time. Thank you!

[@loriwerle4895]

Wow I didn't know they made drill bits like that! How cool

[@vicrod74]

You're already panic'd cuz you got a whole in the wall! 🤣🤣 LMAO!! ! 7:15

[@BillyDickson]

Thanks Tom and Cory, much appreciated, might have to treat myself to some fish rods. 👍😀

[@defdogg2951]

Always appreciate your videos. They've been essential in my home networking. If I might ask, Corey do you deal with tight spaces, like attics? How do you get your lines run when its hard to reach? Thanks again, guys!

[@dommed2978]

Thanks so much guys, 1 of the best videos I have seen!!! Very very helpful

[@SomeKoolPlace]

That was great and two of my favorite brews as well!

[@henderstech]

I appreciate this video and you guys making this demo. It is so helpful

[@dustinkrejci6142]

This is exactly what I needed when I needed!

[@JoshGreiner]

He is so proud of his trade, I love it.

[@abbii1661]

nice you set this up to show the inside/out. appreciated

[@RPAS1234]

Fantastic. I was simply going to go the "Wreck it Ralph" method and keep destroying plasterboard walls until I eventually fished it through. Granted there would have been some interesting collateral damage, however, I could still honestly say that the sat TV cable had been successfully installed.....lol

[@dneitzel772]

Outstanding finish fellows! Oh, and the magnepull is sweet too.

[@johngermain5146]

Really learned a lot about tools in this video. Thanks … similar to your previous tools video which had Kool Tools

[@bpaullus]

MagnePull is the best! I've had mine for a couple of years and it is amazing.

[@ChadAmI80]

I just picked one up on ebay. Looking forward to trying it to run cat 6 cables.

[@bradleydiggs]

This was like watching a magician. Loved it. Thank you!!!

[@mirage711]

Wow thank you guys soooo much for all the help.. I buying the beers when your in Vegas

[@jglebas1869]

simple clear video - thanx for sharing.

[@herbymaldonado6536]

This was a badass, very informative video on wall fishing especially dealing with "fire stops." Now I know how to find and deal with a fire stop.

[@goodun2974]

It gets far more complicated in commercial office buildings where the studs and fire-stops are sheetmetal, not wood. On several occasions I had drill through horizontal metal firestops with a hole saw, starting from inside a drop ceiling, and adding drill-bit extenders to it section by section to reach down inside the wall and hit the firestop. Both sides of the wall had wallpaper, and cutting additional holes to get around the firestop, to be patched up afterwards, wasn't an option....

[@shinku5463]

That's a funny looking hand held Q-bit you got there.

[@tonyg8471]

Enjoy watching your videos. With wall fishing, I'm no pro, just a weekend hack. So I try to avoid any scenario outside of a hollow wall. Have yet to master that very last step of yours...but it sure looks tasty 😆

[@jaredjournet4306]

Thank you for this video. Best explanation for that fire wall

[@jameswhite1910]

Like some other commenters, I was most impressed by the "real world" aspects: it never works perfectly and most videos edit out the problems. Watching you guys, I felt like I was right there; the apprentice. Thanks guys. Excellent video.

[@toddt6730]

That magnapole is interesting, I need to install an outlet in my kids room on an adjacent wall and was trying to figure out a way to do it, I know I have to make a few openings and drill through beams , but that took will help get the wire through

[@AggieMet]

This was incredibly useful, thank you!

[@mybuddy3119]

Thanks man. Great tutorial for me. I always wonder how they pulling all the wires in the building.