Federation of the Americas | Call of Duty: Ghosts

[@TemplinInstitute]

Check out the pilot episode of the Templin Podcast discussing the Federation over on the Templin Archives. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqrEfZyBoMuph8U

[@twoscarabsintheswarm9055]

Oh boy this is a cool thing to watch while playing some Stellaris. Speaking of Stellaris, *where is season 2?*

[@zhcultivator]

Interesting Video, I wonder if we will ever see a game or scifi novel in which a United Africa is a global superpower........................................

[@twoscarabsintheswarm9055]

@@zhcultivator I hope so, because if Africa United, it would take a while, but it would definitely become a super power, at the end of the century it's have 1.4 billion people and a great economy and military

[@zhcultivator]

@@twoscarabsintheswarm9055 Yeah for sure and nice username btw XD

[@jigolocana7492]

Should be the united states of africa

[@martinxy1291]

"The unlikely success of unification sentiment" is putting it lightly

[@Nostripe361]

these guys seem to have forgotten all of those nations fought massive wars with each other right. I mean Uruguay was almost whipped off the face of the Earth at one point in one of those wars.

[@unkn0wnace]

@@Nostripe361 you're thinking of Paraguay i believe?

[@MrHanbam]

Brazil speaks Portuguese just increasing how unlikely this is lol

[@Nostripe361]

@@unkn0wnace You're right. Sorry I got it mixed up with a Uruguay civil war that brought in Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay. But my point still stands. Saying these two countries would combine into a unified equal alliance is like saying All of Europe joining under a single ethnostate or the US taking Mexico and the Caribbean. There is no way you could make one nation in a region so big and diverse. The best you can get it is a European Union situation where they are all sovereign but work together for international gain.

[@VictorSchmidt]

LMAO yeah, it's borderline impossible.

[@caiocandido3002]

* Brazil, Argentina e Chile United * Uruguai: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@grm8588]

Você é BR também?

[@Linterna001]

They would be like the Switzerland of America. Small and rich.

[@gauchoryder6476]

Argentina and Brazil, in unison: kinda

[@grm8588]

@@gauchoryder6476 Como está a Argentina? Sei que seu povo está sofrendo com esse governo novo, não é atoa que no Uruguai, foram registrados 13.000 solicitações de cidadania uruguaia, além do golpe de estado K.

[@PerturaBased]

Cisplatina

[@Hoop_9028]

It always bothered me how little the federation was fleshed out. They just felt like faceless cannon fodder

[@cristianlotti5328]

You have described 99% of CoD enemies.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

I do hope Ghosts eventually gets a sequel where both factions are better fleshed out, and hoping against hope here, but takes a page from the old Ghost Recon titles and focuses more on infiltration and stealth than the usual CoD title.

[@delos9940]

@@lordfrostwind3151 I'd honestly prefer a reboot so that it can be fleshed out better.

[@jamier65551]

@@lordfrostwind3151 reboot is better, to make the og work better and less work for a sequel

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@@jamier65551 fair enough, I would however like to see the story of Extinction continued, that hooked me in way more than the Zombies mode of the other games

[@osedebame3522]

Fascism actually has a pretty interesting history in South America, it being influenced mainly by Spanish Falangism more than German or Italian fascists, the many different ideologies like Peronism, national syndicalism, Brazilian Integralism (which interestingly preached racial unity as the movement's slogan), corporatism, and some smaller less prominent movements. A resurgence of South American fascism as a response to Western neoimperialism is a pretty interesting concept, but it falls on its face because CoD writers wouldn't know the meaning of the word "nuance" if it burned their houses down and painted its name with blood on the street.

[@CSLucasEpic]

Peronism isn't really fascits. It was always more of a third-position ideology, similar to De Gaulle's policies in France after WW2. Peron's opponents in Argentina would often accuse him of being communist because of his emphasis on poor people's working class rights, even if Peron himself said often that he was not communist.

[@osedebame3522]

Lucas Liso I literally found it by looking up fascist movements in South America tho.

[@afopreacher4903]

Syndicalism???? *second weltkrieg intensifies*

[@conservativedemocracyenjoyer]

@@afopreacher4903 *Down with the traitors*

[@agustingutierrez8523]

@@CSLucasEpic He had many fascist tendencies tho.

[@copeandseethe9279]

I liked the accurate description of fascism. Many fictional depictions of fascism, and descriptions fictional governments as fascist, lazily just use it to refer to authoritarian dictatorships, but the emphasis on national rebirth is crucial.

[@user-hy5hs2wk2i]

hans bring ze poopenfarten

[@copeandseethe9279]

@@faustianimperium777 cheers lad x

[@戴振威-m2c]

魔羯男我0喔六樓某腐女跑老了，了，

[@copeandseethe9279]

@@timesthree5757 What you described is totalitarianism or tyranny, which yes is part of fascism but not exclusive to fascism. Soviet or Chinese style socialism is also incredibly oppressive and predicated on a centralised state, but not fascist. Further, nationalism does not "defeat" fascism since fascist palingenesis is usually intertwined with ultranationalism, a concept labelled Palingenetic Ultranationalism by Roger Griffin.

[@copeandseethe9279]

@@timesthree5757 having read their work, I'm going to trust actual scholars who have studied fascism in depth over a random guy on youtube.

[@sorcererberoll4641]

The protagonist at the end of the game is going to Brazil

[@marrvynswillames4975]

a fate worse than death

[@LatinaCreamQueen]

"You're going to Brazil."

[@tranceduo]

F

[@yukikaze-117]

@@tranceduo f

[@asgarihanif]

NOOOOOOO I DON"T WANT TO GO TO BRAZILLLLLLLL

[@TheHawkeye0725]

Man ghosts had such potential. We are forever stuck with that cliffhanger

[@Bigdiego74]

Til this day

[@TheDevilHydraProdsXXII]

I have a headcanon where Rorke dies at the end. There's literally no logic in his survival. How could you survive being shot in the chest, inside of a suspended train, which is crashing into the water, all the while staying underwater with an open wound for several minutes?

[@aaroncruz9181]

It's coming

[@marrvynswillames4975]

"we made an new villain faction" "will they use different weapons?" "no, just reskined russian and american weapons for 80% of they"

[@Jesus-jz6ll]

As a latin american, the federation weapons are from latin countries

[@jhoughjr1]

Taurus: exists

[@flugel5554]

in mw2 they were worst, russians used ump, tavor and vector

[@Jesus-jz6ll]

@@flugel5554 and fal don't forget the fal

[@marrvynswillames4975]

@@Jesus-jz6ll i'm also latin american, but i think the fal should had been the main weapon of the federation, it would had being more interesting, since it's less know.

[@piothomsek]

It´s always funny how the Call of Duty series constantly has ultranationalist enemy faction while it itself propagates the kind of ultranationalist sentiment that even Douglas MacArthur would have found a bit much

[@adrianshephard378]

Man, we could really use some of that nationalism these days....

[@martonrenan]

Eu sou totalmente contra o ultranacionalismo mas em ver as nações latinas se unindo para virar uma superpotência econômica e o sentimento de valorização da cultura pré luso-hispânica e o sentimento de unificação de Simon Bolívar, até que deu um orgulho sim hein.

[@wildbill9490]

What?

[@martonrenan]

@@wildbill9490 put on Google translator

[@wildbill9490]

@@martonrenan I’m talking about the original comment.

[@Luke_Danger]

You know, the idea of a South American federation that wants to be a counterweight to the US (particularly given the shit we HAVE done) is actually an interesting concept speaking in terms of Alt-History or just the future. How do you weld together a coalition that can challenge a superpower when many of those you need have had rivalries with each other along with outright wars, especially when the superpower you want to rival has an intelligence apparatus that's quite experienced at mucking around with your politics for their own advantage? ... so of course, COD makes them so laughingly evil that it actually for once justifies America getting involved (if I recall correctly, the prompt for US attack on Caracas was the Federation attempting to genocide all Americans they could get their hands on - that's as automatic a CB as you can get...), rather than actually making an interesting grey-grey conflict of a relatively low scale about the influence of superpowers. Or if not, at least properly go into history that barely gets a mention in the textbooks other than the Monroe Doctrine as a 'murrica moment of telling Europe to stay out of the New World and passing mentions of CIA anti-communist ops (Which, depending on your teacher, might be framed as a *good* thing or is just an accessory to going over Iran-Contra)

[@anuvisraa5786]

the posivility for a union exist

[@marcello7781]

I think this was one of the most interesting concepts of every COD. There was a time when I used to think Ghosts was right after Modern Warfare's WW3, hence why the US were so weak. Too bad they simplified it too much.

[@luisfernandosantosn]

As a South American I can say this faction was lazy as fuck. Every aspect is generic and lack depth, mostly are names and some aesthetics that could easly be replace by any other "people", they could be russians, chinese, arabs, africans, australians, indians and so on... Even the flag is generic.

[@Aggelos-tv3ep]

its cod the USA is always the good guy and everyone else is evil

[@wolfplayer7815]

I mean it's believable when the USA has screwed over plenty of Latin American countries out of their self interest so wanting to get revenge on your enemy isn't that hard to believe.

[@shinjigaming7185]

The federation had potential but they didn't do enough of it

[@Exodon2020]

But as a European Federalist I'm still a little angry they dececrated our flag for it. 12 Yellow Stars in a circle on black ground? Geez, how lazy!

[@ThompsonExpress]

Replace "The Federation" by "COD: Ghost" and it work

[@shinjigaming7185]

@@ThompsonExpress my only problem with ghosts is the jank controls

[@jesuschrist9513]

@Thomas Morin US: *gets genocided by coalition of third world countries* All of Europe and Asia: aight

[@NEARReiCtor8799]

Same thing with Ultra Nationalist Russia. They make such interesting enemies and never bother expanding on them

[@andrescamilotousarcia2528]

Not gonna lie. As a Colombian and South American I am really dissapointed at the wasted potential that was Cod Ghost history. Lat america is never shown as a powerful enough to be able to have an important or dominant role in the world and when it is potrayed it is shown through the lens of corruption, inner conflict or narcos. (Not that this is completly wrong but we have gotten better over time, not close to the level of say the USA or EU though). The fact that Latam when united we could become a force to be reckon with is something that hasn't been sploited or even shown in mainstream. So i was exited to see this developing subcontinent into a world power in probably the biggest AAA release. However what we got was your standard run of the mill Cod with a regular multiplayer. I enjoy the campaing as an entertaiment piece and I always smile when i see the names of the important places of Latam at the start of the missions but i simply didn't get much from that besides entertaiment. Perhaps is my fault to wanting to much from a cod game but i still had the hope that this could have been something different for cod... Anyways excelent video as always.

[@netherwolf3012]

Well I think the absolute worst part is that they didn't even slightly try to give any background whatsoever. We don't need everything but somethings at least.

[@jtowers99]

Me robaste las palabras.

[@caleblott399]

I'm an American who has been to South America. I agree with a lot of your sentiments. I have not been to Columbia, but I did visit Salvador, Brazil, and I have studied technological sectors in Panama and Chile. From what I gathered, it seems rather odd that Call of Duty fell back on the "totalitarian South America trope." To me, it seems that South America, probably within our lifetimes, will be filled with stable, prosperous, and strong nations. I looked at Brazil's navy and it reminded me of America's navy during the 1990s in terms of power. CoD should have done something more creative. I cannot honestly see countries like Columbia, Brazil, Chile, etc, falling under the sway of a multinational fascist dictatorship.

[@andrescamilotousarcia2528]

@@jtowers99 ;)

[@andrescamilotousarcia2528]

@@netherwolf3012 pretty much yeah.

[@sirgraveson4568]

making south america a super power was the only original aspect of COD ghosts, yeah the lore has its flaws and all, but the idea was interesting, sad they run out of new ideas when making the flag and choosing its equipment.(literally what matters in a FPS)

[@Stinger522]

How would you've made the Federation flag?

[@sirgraveson4568]

​@@Stinger522 well, i would first not paint it black and red, and then maybe use some most commom national or cultural simbols of south american nations to AT LEAST represent something...not just *EVIL EMPIRE FLAG Nº 29986*

[@sseagle4173]

I actually really like the federations flag. It speaks for its aggressiveness, powerfulnees and richness.

[@bunnitomoe3866]

​@@sseagle4173literally EU flag but black and red cause why the fk not. At least have a eagle holding two swords at least

[@Eldritch-One]

I have a soft spot for these guys, they were the antagonists of my first CoD game. I wish I'd get the chance to see them more.

[@TeamNova80]

Agreed bro

[@sirlamm6657]

I find It more shocking that the EU, Russia and the Asian major didn’t swoop into such a conflict

[@bluesnake1713]

Not unless they have something to gain out of it.

[@connorgolden4]

Iirc in the very little lore of CoD ghosts the rest of the world was reeling from several conflicts that had them distracted and going through economic issues. Like a major war in the Middle East. Also 1) they either wouldn’t want to get involved because it means the US got smacked around and is no longer a super power and they could benefit from that. 2) they could sell arms to the Federation and probably other stuff like oil and supplies to the US. Or 3) lacked the ability to get involved. Even if Russia or China or the EU wanted to it’s not like they have the reach to do as such.

[@ChandranPrema123]

Like what the f*ck was rest of the world doing

[@ZETAPLUSA70]

I heard in the intro it said the nuclear war between Israel and Iran had caused the oil become worthless resulting in the first world economies being completely destroyed, while South America rises among the chaos

[@Shypenguin101]

Lol cause now in their future as we living it, they probably were weakened after a European War and Taiwan Strait crisis

[@Alarmedtiger]

I never understood the ghosts timeline. With the hijacking of ODIN and the attacks, what would stop the US from responding with their massive nuclear Arsenal and turning South America to glass? I doubt the federation has nuclear weapons. Ghosts was good but the whole premise was ludicrous.

[@connorgolden4]

Probably an anti nuclear system. Or maybe the world decided to get rid of them before the ODIN attacks.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

@@connorgolden4 even with crisis in other first world contries/powers (russia would likely become stronger for a time due of it's oil reserves, this if isnt invaded by china or EU), there's no reason to the rest of the world just get rid of nukes. also nothing in the game ever imply the federation had anti nuke systems, in fact one file implies they may had nukes. "The number of casualties on impact suggest the Federation plans on using nuclear or kinetic-based attacks on U.S. soil, though the latter is pure speculation at this point. "

[@marcopena7638]

Tanvir Chowdhury Because only stupid people use nukes. The contamination and falllout always reaches all the planet.

[@thethethemososoki4555]

@@marcopena7638 yeah but when does the concern for the environment dictates any government action?

[@agentc7020]

Maybe ODIN targeted the massive nuclear arsenal? ODIN is way faster than nukes and I doubt they could be seen in radar so it’s plausible

[@agbottan]

If the anglo-saxon americans had stopped their awful tradition of cooking sweet beans and making 'churrasco' with hot-dog wieners, we latino-americans would not be forcet to rely on such drastic measures.

[@temmy9]

NEVER!

[@haryen8876]

Chamar salsicha na brasa de churrasco é muita audácia dos estadunidenses.

[@zandaroos553]

The Caribbean: “Bruh were just vibing”

[@ok9_5788]

@@haryen8876 é uma heresia

[@quisqueyanguy120]

@@zandaroos553 By population size, most of the Caribbean is latin american (Cuba, DR, Puerto Rico, Haiti). Even if you only count the spanish speaking countries, they are still majority.

[@bobbybaratheon1230]

Oh boy this is the one I’ve been waiting for

[@SkySky-dk7si]

I’ve always loved the Federation’s black spec ops troops. To me they are on par with MW’s Shadow Company in terms of coolness and overall badassery/ badassitude.

[@theashman7836]

Call of duty games actually can have some decent lore, especially infinite warfare But the federation really makes no sense but had so much potential.

[@teslashark]

IW also has little sense

[@theashman7836]

@@teslashark Yeah, still a decent story.

[@murciadoxial8056]

2 things, first, the lore of infinite warfare is just every story about the colonization of the solar system ever slapped together with ducktape and spit, second, the federation itself COULD make sense, is just that they don't elaborate on it, like... the lore is so unclear that apparently the federation started in argentina and chile and brazil, but the capital is in venezuela?, is all just a big mess that is stupid and rushed.

[@connorgolden4]

IW was interesting but it was just the old “rebellious colony vs home country” story with guns, lasers, and spaceships. Why does the federation not make sense? Makes more sense than most other COD factions. Not a high bar to beat still. It’s not fleshed out but still makes more sense than Atlas, the SDF, and one guy from Black Ops 2, and whatever the fuck was going on in Black Ops 3.

[@murciadoxial8056]

@@connorgolden4 For you to say that you must be completely oblivious to the way south america works.

[@lore9828]

Honestly as a Latin American I love the Federation idea, South America crushing the world, oh yeah.

[@tylersoto7465]

It's time for ya to shine as a global super power lol

[@tylersoto7465]

The federation makes sense the world is in a energy crisis and the middle east had a huge war and Venezuela having huge amounts of oil to take the stage as a center of power and wealth and other countries needing oil will do anything to get it , and Brazil being right there making it easier to trade with and join together works , Venezuela supplies oil etc and Brazil has military and industrial capabilities with agriculture and population to support a military force to be a super power lol

[@jorgesilva4869]

as a brazillian man, i agree it, Brasil have the 10th most powerfull army in the world and we are the greatest import s of food... so

[@jon-unicorn-doxxer]

@@jorgesilva4869 import of food? well ur f*ck if that happens...

[@Miguel_Torrejón]

I mean ,we just gotta take it

[@Redmango69]

While the fictional state is lazy in design, I do think that the lack of indigenous designs in weapons manufacturing is a well thought detail And stealing your enemy's stuff and use it against them is the most latinoamerican thing I've heard so far

[@CSLucasEpic]

Brazil and Argentina do a lot of indigenous designs. I don't know about the rest of Latin America, but those two countries have designed and built a lot of military hardware that they use themselves or export for other countries.

[@Redmango69]

@@CSLucasEpic yes they do, but given the context of a rapid military build up and just a sudden economic boom, I could see more licensed or bought equipment filling the arsenals while creating the industry required for filling most or all need of production for the indigenous designs

[@kennedytheretard975]

@@Redmango69 I mean the Brazilian army be focusing on start to pump out a fuck ton of IA2 rifles

[@Redmango69]

​@@kennedytheretard975 Yes, small arms could be pointed out, but say, for example modern tank desings (The TAM could be mention but it could take some modernization wich would take some time) or a modern figther plane. Yes, a desing could be made, but againg it would need time. not only that, but acomodating the resources for production and building an industry big enough to build such thing would again take more time. Thats why I think the imported equipment and some licensed ones makes sense for filling the gap in the meantime. Because the time to do that sort of things would be at least a decade or two being optimist. Considering its latinamerica wich are we talking about, the military buid up wold be paid at least 3 to 5 times before it even begins and of course they're going to steal the fkin money of the program while its going. But hey, thank you for giving me the oportunity to talk shit a bit more on this comment secction lol

[@songatoredenscio2416]

@@kennedytheretard975 the same with the mexican army and the xicoalt rifle

[@BlackKing.2000]

So you’re telling me South America kills close to 30 million people and the United States didn’t respond with Nukes.

[@mxn1948]

they dont even try to explain that one in game.

[@justiron2999]

Also they somehow managed to hijack the space ship that US used to board the space station. I'm confused on how they wouldn't realize that.

[@shermanbrown419]

I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Ronnie here

[@nunyabeezaxe2030]

@@JoseSanchez-rb4rz Also there is something called a plot hole and psychoanalyzing imaginary people is useless and futile.

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

I think it was because of the Tel Aviv War. Nuclear weapons were apparently used in the Middle East, so it seems like the entire world agreed to disarm.

[@zxil6]

Interesting how the US is a net hydrocarbon exporter now. The plot has not aged well.

[@ckotherletters]

Natural gas is more environmentally friendly than oil for heating homes, water, and cooking than oil but the main problem will always be CO2 put out by car exhaust.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Indeed. In addition, let's be honest. If there was some kind of energy crisis and all of a sudden oil reserves in South and Central America were critical to the infrastructure and strength of the United States, they wouldn't just start sending billions of dollars to those countries and making them incredibly wealthy and do nothing. They would just take it.

[@Dantinus]

And Venezuela, the county where Federation is spawned from, is suffering from a food crisis.

[@celdur4635]

@@Laotzu.Goldbug Too expensive, is cheaper to just buy the oil, why would the US invade a place that has millions of relatives as its own citizens inside the US?

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

I think by 2017 the US and Federation were evenly matched, so the Federation's attack set us back while they moved forward.

[@MDFification1]

Man, this state reeks of lazy design. It's flag is quite literally just the EU flag, but with red and black to make it eeeeeeevil. It's army is using equipment designed by either Russia or NATO countries. It's government is essentially just fascism hamfistedly smushed together with the idea of a multinational federation in a way that makes no sense. Over all, there's almost nothing South American about this supposedly South American nation's aesthetics and almost no originality in the concept.

[@ThePCguy17]

Well there's the cultural identity thing, that's South American. Seemed to be a bit of a footnote, so I suppose it doesn't really disprove your claim that there's 'almost nothign South American' about the Federation. Still, there's something, so...yeah.

[@MinecraftxFan1995]

There's also the fact that this fictional US didn't retaliate to many major cities being devastated with its nuclear arsenal. A death toll of 27 million is something like the population of today's New York City, three times over. And that's before considering the US's allies, or the defense pact of NATO, which includes France, Germany, and Great Britain, the last of whom is also a nuclear state. But no, they'd totally soft-nuke the United States... Fuckin' hate lazy writing like this.

[@luizrk1990]

As an South American myself, I support this comment.

[@mxn1948]

@@MinecraftxFan1995 it also makes zero sense that a devastated middle east would lead to the fall of us/russia/eu/china. i mean so the oil is cut off, that makes the us fracking companies super happy(us is also nearly oil neutral now with exports almost matching imports thus with more fracking it would be able to export without any imports) , russia like wise would be more powerful given its vast reserves. together they would supply china and EU just fine though there maybe be slower growth and more efforts on reducing fossil fuel use but nothing that would cause them to stop being great powers, plus often forgotten is that china itself is a significant producer of oil(out producing canada), there is literally nothing absolutely critical that comes out of the middle east that allows great powers to stay great. in such an environment, even if the federation of the americas were competent and ruled well, they would merely be one of at least 5 great powers, i mean their combined population is like less than half of china's.

[@silvertemplar8061]

Kind of wanted more lore, they seemed like such an interesting enemy. I would have liked a bit more depth.

[@tranceduo]

Say what you will, but I’d love a sequel or at least a reboot. I have such fond memories of this game.

[@gabriel__opazo]

They missed the chance to include the EE-T1 Osório main battle tank (or fictitious successors) as a federation tank. It's such a beautiful and powerful machine of war, and it disappoints me not to see them used in the game. That said, excellent video, as always!

[@Camilo_Z]

Or a TAM 2c. Imagine if there was a futuristic version called TFM-4c or something like that

[@gabriel__opazo]

@@Camilo_Z Yes! Or even better, both tanks showing up together to combat. Now that would be badass!

[@Camilo_Z]

@@gabriel__opazo Yeah

[@fleisbester612]

@@Camilo_Z TAM wasn't a MBT, but yeah, they could've added to the game

[@alfredtg6762]

So you're telling me one of the wealthiest superpowers of it's own time IMPORTED RUSSIAN MILITARY TECH?! INSTEAD OF DESIGNING THEIR OWN?!

[@romulus2473]

It's barely propped up in the lore as "not there yet" Which makes sense. This timeline is on meth. 2014 sees the Federation formed and the rest of the world riddled with an energy crisis. And by 2015 they've conquered the continent, become the largest economy in the world, and are going to war with the US. The game takes place in 2017 with the truce being broken. So that's 3 years. The fact that the Federation tank is just becoming a prototype fits a realistic timeline, going from no tank to tank in 3 years.

[@mxn1948]

@@romulus2473 the energy crisis makes no sense. the us has tons of oil(check out lastest imports vs exports) and with a price spike it'll have tons of fracking too, if anything us would be more powerful along with russia, why the heck would they fall or become much weaker?

[@connorgolden4]

Because the federation modernized too quickly to allow that. South America has a history of just buying other nation’s weapons and doesn’t have much experiences in making their own. Designing new weapon systems is pretty fucking expensive and time consuming. If you need a new military in the short term it’s better to just buy it than make it. And as stated they do want to make their own shit and they’re working on it.

[@andrewjones2453]

They had the technical skill to build and run the larges oil export industry but not design weapons. Also, they had magic import portals to protect those import lines from the USN. Makes perfect sense.

[@romulus2473]

@@andrewjones2453 at the time it seems like they were on some sort of positive terms with the US as they have Arleigh Burkes. ... Which makes no sense if a year later they're at war.

[@mingchoi8369]

You know, a world where the nations of South America are united into a superstate does sound interesting, especially since when you consider this might actually happen in an age of resurgent ultra nationalism/authoritarianism. Unfortunately, this is Call of Duty, where story believability is thrown out the window for cartoonish over the top villainy and lazy world building. They're not even trying with the flag, which is just the EU flag done in red, black, and yellow as if to make them all generic doomsday villains. I probably say we might see a follow up to Ghosts, but I'm not holding my breath, especially when they focus more on Modern Warfare 2019/Warzone and Black Ops. Anyway, I hope you'll get to do other Call of Duty videos, like the original Modern Warfare Saga and Advanced Warfare.

[@IPendragonI]

A South American superstate will never happen. South America is too close to the U.S. The U.S would not stand idle and do nothing. The State would be over before it began.

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

Who knows what Coronavirus will do? Next we'll see French paratroopers in the skies over DC.

[@mahlkov]

Somebody drank a fifth of Jager and watched the fifth season of "The Last Ship", then came up with this. Great job.

[@scarecrow108productions7]

This was even before TLS Season 5

[@NegiTaiMetal011]

If they could not make a sequel because of how COD Ghosts don't seem to be appreciated, then I might as well make my own: Logan Walker was to be rescued and would have to be rehabilitated due to his injuries. US forces with allies would push on into the Federation and end their regime for good. With the Federation's LOKI now into their hands, they now have the advantage they didn't have and are pushing on the offensive and they use it to target important military installations, command and supply centers, anything that would cripple the Federation so they coerce their surrender and possible breakup of their empire. Rorke would likely be killed in action by the Walker brothers for payback with the help of other Ghosts. That's all I can think for now, but this is the basic premise. Anyone got other ideas for it?

[@Fyzzy4life]

Naaah, playing as Logan's brother, fighting against a broken Logan (as Rorke is) only having Logan become good again at the end, something like Anakin you know

[@Solaxe]

"push on into the Federation" Attacking the whole South America would be a logistic nightmare. Massive mountains, jungles and deserts, no infrastructure in massive Amazonia. I don't see how could it be defeated conventionally

[@flavius2884]

@@Solaxe Nuke them from orbit.

[@unihabitedwhip4626]

@@flavius2884 they have the federation version of ODIN, so yeah, they would nuke federation strategic regions

[@flavius2884]

@@unihabitedwhip4626 In the last mission, when they hijacked ODIN, they could have hit more important comand centers and defence bases. But they wasted them on tanks and infantry. Or they could use it to carve a road through the rainforest.

[@Xozkov]

I started looking at the federation out of pure curiosity and suddenly you post this. How?

[@ravager2-636]

Because your Alternate dimension Marc! (XFiles theme plays) Or just well timed Coincidence.

[@JacatackLP]

America: creates fascist South American dictatorships. Federation: forms out of these dictatorships. America: Wait that’s illegal

[@shermanbrown419]

Lol

[@myself2noone]

I wouldn't say created. More like hijacked.

[@0816M3RC]

And yet those "American made" fascist dictatorships wouldn't have been possible without South American people to be the soldiers and officials of said regimes. You can blame America for putting those dictatorships together and supporting them but they would have collapsed instantly without some support coming from the South American people.

[@JacatackLP]

@@0816M3RC what are you talking about most of these regimes were extremely unpopular and were only maintained through suspension of civil liberties and systematic torture that included being raped with cattle prods. A technique directly taught by the US at the Army School of the Americas. Usually these governments were dominated by a small white European capital owning class over the large majority of native and non-white population

[@bombocrusty4251]

@@0816M3RC What a dumb ass argument wtf? Just because a small portion of the population (usually the upper class of wealthy colonial era land owners, mixed with far right mercenaries and people indoctrinated purposefully disseminated CIA lies and propaganda as the foot soilders) doesnt mean that its "the peoples fault." Most people hated these regimes, and they basically only survived from the US pumping money into them which is evident because the moment the cold war ended (meaning the US no longer had a reason to pump shit loads of money into them) they basically all fell appart almost immediately, usually taking thousands of innocent people down with them. But yes technically these regimes did have non elite upper class supporters, South American people arent a fucking hive mind, but this isn't surprising as these regimes had basically full control and support of the media and propaganda is an effective tool. However even with that like I said pretending these regimes where in any way popular is just blatantly false

[@marcello7781]

I wish this COD had a sequel, or at least a novelized sequel.

[@GrnGuyBC]

This was the last CoD game I played. Really enjoyed the campaign because of the concept of a unified South America. Good work bringing this game back into the light.

[@biohazardultra7227]

This is crazy, I started playing again a week ago and was thinking about this and looking at the wiki. I had an idea to make a video like this but you beat me to it. Figured no one would look back on the lore on this game. Good job m8

[@Catman2123]

“What should we do for a flag?” “Evil EU!”

[@shaneegan3091]

Ive always thought this idea had potential, if they fleshed out the lore a lot more, and didn't have a lazy flag we could've had something pretty cool

[@kalashnikov187]

I find it really pleasing that this channel goes into Call of duty lore, i find it really interesting as it isnt really touched on like other games' lore.

[@t3st1221]

Any lore justifications for why the initial orbital attack on the US did not resulted in a nuclear retaliation?

[@marrvynswillames4975]

not at all, even if it was because the federation also had nukes, that much damage would be awsered with nukes.

[@Alarmedtiger]

The ghosts timeline is probably the most absurd out of all the call of duty timelines. The federation didn’t have nukes or at least it’s never mentioned. If the federation actually attacked and killed 20+ million people like ghosts, the US would’ve turned South America to glass.

[@t3st1221]

@@Alarmedtiger Well when digging a bit it's even more absurd... 1. Is NATO still around? Because if yes then it's not the a US vs South America war but a proper world war with most European powers (including 2 nuclear power) on the side of the US 2. What happened to European territories in South America like French Guyana or the Falkland? If they were annexed then it would have resulted in a war against a nuclear power (France or the UK) as at least for French Guyana it is as French as Alaska is a part of the US and for the Falklands well last time Argentina tried the UK didn't let it go. And if not that's some perfect beachheads into the federation. This timeline sure makes no sense

[@marrvynswillames4975]

@@t3st1221 NATO is referenced only once in rocke's files, where it say: "With NATO and Allied Forces spread thin, other governments seized an opportunity to monopolize their own resources and consolidate power over neighboring countries."

[@archangelwarrior9816]

@@marrvynswillames4975 So I am guessing that NATO is fighting russia and china at the same time keeping them busy while the us is dealing with the federation .

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

This is bound to be a good one! May I ask about possibly doing Outer Heaven or FOXHOUND from MGS?

[@ThompsonExpress]

MSF!

[@battlecross8540]

Technically it was Venezuela, Brazil, and Chile who united to form the base of the Federation; not Argentina. Argentina actually resisted to the point they were the last free nation in S. America and it was the Federation invasion of Argentina that provoked the invasion of Caracas by the US in 2015.

[@Loosecannon16]

Speaking of Federation, and South American, it would be nice if you covered Mobile Suit Gundam Earth Federation, which had its military headquarters in the very heart of the Amazonian Rainforest, Jaburo. And its flag resembles a lot the Brazilian flag

[@hyperionman420]

We need a sequel. We need a sequel. We need a sequel.

[@kazmark_gl8652]

DO WE REALLY?

[@TheHawkeye0725]

Yes

[@echo673]

The sequel will take you to Brazil

[@sweetballs4742]

@@echo673 that's a *sopa macaco uma delicia* moment

[@echo673]

@@sweetballs4742 indeed

[@UGNAvalon]

FotA: Uses WMDs against North American targets. USA: Doesn’t use retaliatory nukes. 🤔

[@andrewjones2453]

Otherwise, the game doesn't happen. Like if anyone noticed shale in this universe, the movie doesn't happen. Or if anyone noticed that fubaring the ME makes Russia the king of Asian oil...it all falls apart...

[@nobodyherepal3292]

Ya, they didn’t think this all through

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

It’s all bullshit, but in context probably something along the lines of “it wasn’t nuclear so we won’t go nuclear.”

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

Also like... is no one going to talk about how the US built space WMDs?

[@TheFi0r3]

@@YumLemmingKebabs It's going to happen eventually as we find more and more interest in space. Hell, the only reason it wasn't done in the 60's and 70's was because of the Detente Policy between the US and USSR. Reagan was really close to restart that with the "Star Wars" program, but then the Cold War ended. The technology is there, all that's needed is the political will to do so.

[@imagineanameplsimtoolazy9972]

I swear in every call of duty game there's always a big blob evil army with a bunch of equipment they got from out of nowhere that's just plows through every country except for the u.s. which somehow ends up defeating them.

[@justiron2999]

Because we're rich in Muricanium, a resource that can be used to make bullets, guns, vehicles, and of course plot armor.

[@imagineanameplsimtoolazy9972]

Ah yes the element I overlooked.🇺🇲🍟🤟

[@kurousagi8155]

I’m pretty sure the Federation doesn’t beat up any major military power except the USA.

[@imagineanameplsimtoolazy9972]

@@kurousagi8155 i know,l meant it as a broad theme like atlas corp from cod aw or russia from cod mw,where they basiclly just plow through most of the world easily.

[@Skyhawk1998]

Call of Duty is American patriotism porn in video game form. The US saving the day yet again while other nations can hardly even put up a fight!

[@Thomas-sr2oq]

such a shame the Ghost universe wasn't explored further, it actually had a pretty interesting setting and story

[@Moeflyer6213]

After Hamas launched attacks against Israel, it reminds me of this, the "Tel Aviv War" in Call of Duty: Ghost. I afraid this would be the prophecy.

[@ohitsnando655]

Right

[@aceboll7627]

And now Venezuela is going after Guyana. Coincidence?

[@bignoseYeu]

We are living the beginning ??

[@romulus2473]

This video already giving more lore on Ghosts than the game did.

[@murciadoxial8056]

I'm not even sure the lore in this video is right honestly...

[@romulus2473]

@@murciadoxial8056 potentially inaccurate lore > no lore whatsoever

[@murciadoxial8056]

@@romulus2473 eh, is the same because if it is inaccurate then it could also be completely made up

[@SmoochyRoo]

I find it a miracle that's such an attack didn't result in nuclear war

[@matthewtuckman4447]

Could they have somehow compromised the US nuclear defenses?

[@luisfernandosantosn]

My favorite part: Brazil, Argentina and Chile together to fulfill the dreams of Simon Bolívar. None had nothing to do with Bolivar, and everyone hates the other and have a century long ambition of supremacy in South America. Its sad to think someone was paid to do the "historical research" in the development of this game.

[@anuvisraa5786]

far les problems that france and germany

[@vascostich9578]

@@anuvisraa5786 Less, than*

[@anuvisraa5786]

@@vascostich9578 yes my bad

[@connorgolden4]

There’s hardly been any wars in South America in the past century. Europe has literally ancient rivalries and grudges, the two deadliest wars fought in a 30 year span, and the Cold War...and were able to form the EU. Plus, Europe is way more diverse than South America. If you told someone back 1900 about the EU they’d say it’s impossible. So those three uniting isn’t all that crazy.

[@unrandom2073]

In the past the proyect of "ABC Pact (Argentina, Brazil and Chile)" in a military and economic alliance to counter the influence of United States, france and UK in south América was Almost a reality. Plus, José Gervasio de Artigas who wanted to unite south América. (Thanks to the support of Uruguay and federals in Argentina), Juan Manuel de rosas (from Argentina, wanted see Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia in one country) and ex countrys like the Perú-Bolivian Confederation, The great Colombia, the hispanism and the dream of "La Patria Grande" (the great Fatherland, unión of latín american countrys) still being popular at this days.

[@TheTechyDan]

As a space fan, I always wondered how TF the Federation of the Americas got the rockets needed to build a massive space station with nobody noticing. Seriously, that station is like 6x the size of the ISS, which took 20 years to build, and rockets are loud and bright, kinda hard to do it secretly.

[@blueberet0]

they took ODIN apart to make their space station

[@this_isnt_patrick]

I like how it’s always “the greatest shift in power since _____.” But like every forty years somebody just gets a dart and throws it at a globe and goes “yep, that’s the new challenger.”

[@dapimp6861]

"Brazil, Argentina and Chile" it was Venezuela, Brazil and Chile. I mean hell, one of the missions you invaded Caracas for a reason.

[@fyreborneblu6706]

When your country is so overpowered that you just lazily create ficionalize a new possible enemy superpower that won't work in real life

[@ashdonsimmons01]

to be fair games and movies have been doing this forever with russia and north korea

[@gannielukks1811]

Call of Duty is a american game series, obviously when the 'murican "heroes" destroyed all of their actual possible enemies in fiction, they created a new one.

[@josemgarcia141]

You should cover either Belka or Osea from ace combat strangereal

[@ghostface6947]

Yoooooo I've been waiting for an in-depth look at them! Thanks!!

[@Necroxion]

I wish that we got even a mere fraction of this detail in the game

[@firstcynic92]

That has to be one of the silliest "what if" scenarios I've heard of.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

Command and Conquer 3

[@alextaylor9276]

Am I the only one who really wants a Federation of the Americas that includes all countries in the Americas and the Caribbean?

[@shadowzone2588]

you know i feel like they could of made the federation more of a sympathetic and morally grey area style faction. they can still do evil things but you could also show them doing good thing. they could easily make the player question if fight them is the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do.

[@luizrk1990]

It is an interesting concept for a faction in an alternative history scenario. But it would never work in reality, not in the past and not in the future. Brazil would never join in, and if we did, it would be met with universal resistance. We are just too different from the other Latin American nations. We also don’t like this whole expansionist thing; too much work and violence, and not a lot of profit to be made. Also, COD had the opportunity to make an awesome faction, and an awesome campaign, capitalizing in the internal politics of the faction and deepening the story. But we got evil south Mexico instead.

[@rodrigojalcacanarte3011]

Brazil is probably the most interested in joining. While most of the regional pacts are economic, Brazil is the one that most encourages the creation of joint ventures, including at the military level.The language is not the greatest of its problems, but the corruption that damages almost any economic union. The only one that could replace is Mexico, but they have other problems, such as being almost half a continent away.

[@celdur4635]

I agree, Brazil is basically another continent. They only have influence over Argentina. Paraguay and Uruguay are too small to matter, 90% of the rest of Latam have little to no contact with Brazil.

[@rodrigojalcacanarte3011]

@@celdur4635 Basically no, they only talk about South America in the video

[@CSLucasEpic]

I don't know about the integration thing, but Brazil was all about expansionism in the 19th century. Trying to take over Uruguay, taking a chunk of land from Paraguay, and later from Bolivia...

[@ShinigamiInuyasha777]

@@CSLucasEpic Well because you guys crashed against Argentina, and from then on we all avoided massive wars

[@viktator4205]

> Federation of the Americas > Appropriates European symbolism Bruh

[@Samu0205]

"Brazil and Argentina united" Brazilians: KKKKKKKK Argentinians: jajajajajajaja

[@gilgatomega7249]

I would lean towards the part where the Federation are US-Canada allies instead since they all could be dealing with cartel presences like Las Almas cartel and Cordis Dies in south Americas which I do think they're still around in COD Ghost if we're using the rebooted COD story. A most likely used story for a revamped Federation is them dealing with civil conflicts against cartels alongside their American-Canadian allies.

[@Achillez098]

Everything about the Federation reeks of lazy world-building. You're seriously telling me that all of these South American Nations, with distinct language and cultural differences, and past rivalries and grievances against each other, just one day decided to band together and form a new nation? I'd have an easier time believing in a Canadian invasion of the USA (I'm Canadian btw).

[@Exodon2020]

With the exception of Brazil (Portoguese) all of South America speaks Spanish. With local dialects differing but considering the EU somehow makes Federalism work with more than 20 different languages it doesn't seem to far off. But for a pan-National entity like this to form there needs to be a catalyst. Something causing people to actually want setting aside national differences. In Europe that catalyst was WW2.

[@zetaking2909]

well i mean it has happen before >.>; yall burned down the white house...tho if it happen agin, i figure most people in the us would just think you came over for dinner and left us more maple syrup than we can use in the next 3 years... an a guard mouse

[@seand.g423]

Honestly, I'm lowkey _hoping_ for that invasion, and I'm in Eastern Washington!!!

[@deathgripskaraoke9351]

Pan-Americanism is an actual ideology though

[@MsLittleBigGamer1]

The only rivalries we have in South america are from Chile and Argentina, Venezuela and Colômbia, the rest of the countries are good friend of each other, and just Brazil doesn't speak spanish, i think its difficulty but not impossible

[@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4]

I still have a lot of problems when it comes to that faction. First and foremost are the reaction of the invasion by the other "traditional" superpowers of Europe, Asia and every other nations that exist in that world.

[@jasonmills84]

Makes me miss this game. The world building was not perfect but it was there for you people who did not think it had much, and the federation buying Russian and American arms while they worked on increasing the indigenous industry was sort of realistic. Was also a refreshing change of enemies to fight against. The extinction mode was also fun.

[@TheDevilHydraProdsXXII]

It was actually Brazil, Chile, and Venezuela that unified.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

This game should've been called Call of Duty The American Manifesto.

[@jonnyrawket8158]

I’m honestly sad we’ll never see a Ghosts sequel, because the Federation of the Americas is an absolutely fantastic nation concept, especially their origin. :(

[@hansantepavelicrudel.801]

Excellent video . ; )

[@maxtoast1164]

Love this call of duty

[@Dillpickle1997]

I'm happy to see that they haven't been forgotten.

[@xaviersaavedra7442]

Why is mèxico a push over? If anything, invading Mexico would be like invading Iran. Not to mention the gurilla fighting that would happen after collapse.

[@samuelefesoa7317]

The US would have used Central America as a choke point to stop the Federation from expanding even further.

[@Elitecommando501]

Ironically Mexico is the strongest country of Latin America

[@carinhatube3727]

@@Elitecommando501 Is Brazil a joke to you? Also, Mexico does not makes part of South America.

[@gannielukks1811]

@@Elitecommando501 Brazil actually

[@megumi9467]

@@Elitecommando501 XD

[@MrKnight19971]

Finally, an explanation to what the federation actually is.

[@colinstark2455]

The federation are the good guys

[@Olympion53]

I completely forgot CoD Ghosts exists. Good on ya for covering such a forgotten enemy from a forgotten game.

[@lordofspearton8643]

Okay heres my two cents on the Federation: suuuch a missed opportunity. With the lithium deposits (a key component in batteries) that exist in Chille and Argentina you could have made the Federation into this really awesome, pristine, near fully electric society. Add some really cool electrically based weapons in there for the army! Maybe some crude gauss rifles as anti armor weapons. Hell, Tanks with Railguns! Explain the government's ability to rise to power by adding some lore about exploitative western corporations taking advantage of South America's lithium and a hyper nationalist, Facist regime rising to combat the exploitation of the South American people. And Bam! You've got an really unique, interesting enemy that is a credible threat to the U.S. Instead we got a gross mix of Russian and US equipment, abd one map that haphazardly explains they're working in domestic designs, using a 3D model that they couldn't quite fully finish

[@vascostich9578]

Lol completly agreed

[@Seth9809]

Most of the weapons they used were like FALs though....

[@connorgolden4]

Even though I loved the idea of the Federation they really did waste it by not using any original designs. And like I get it, you can only fit so much lore in a single cod game but still. Kinda wish we’d gotten a sequel where we could learn more.

[@tylersoto7465]

The federation does have a cool thing going on, I can see Brazil and Venezuela etc uniting together in a world energy crisis after a huge war in the middle east draining the world down and Venezuela have a huge amounts of oil , oil that the other countries desperately need to have a functioning economy etc , and Venezuela being in a position of power and wealth and Brazil being right there making it easier to be a super power together , Venezuela providing the oil and Brazil having a huge population to support it and recruit for military needs , having military and industrial capabilities brings it all together etc and when Brazil and Venezuela join getting the rest of Latin America to join wouldn't take much longer and with all that power they'll will want to expand being the super power they are

[@gannielukks1811]

Do not forget Blanka, he would charge all electric-based weapons for free.

[@hujiaming6151]

This Federation of Americas sounds more practical than other super powers.

[@dx3217]

the comment section: 99% worldbuilding is bad 1% i been waiting for this one

[@thevirginclanlee275]

It is a very interesting idea, quite practical and beneficial for those who involved in the real world, in a not far future, too bad they never made a sequel after this first episode.

[@tylersoto7465]

It's very useful for Venezuela and Brazil to join together in a world in a energy crisis that had a huge war in the middle east and the world needing oil would set the stage for Venezuela to be a powerful and wealthy spot in the world and Brazil being right there making it easier to join is beneficial to each other Venezuela supplies oil etc and Brazil has the military industrial capabilities and population to support a military force and be a super power

[@ItJuM856]

Federation Forever

[@GamersHolyArmy]

Maybe a good name for the podcast could be 'Analysis'. It fits the naming conventions of the other Templin programs and, well, it's analyzing a faction/nation to see if it (and the world itself) holds up.

[@bluenight104]

The COD ghost series world is just ridiculous and not in a good way. There’s a lot to dislike about it.

[@icantthinkofaname4265]

Every cod's world is absurd. Im biased to love mw2 and mw3's campaign, but all of the factions are basically "we bad, look how scary we are, now everyone suffer like us"

[@netherwolf3012]

@@icantthinkofaname4265 Well I think part of it is that they are real armies and what not, even if ridiculously exaggerated there was still natural background there. The Federation, which is even named lazily, was completely new and needed SOME kind of background, yet there is little to nothing so it feels even worse compared to exaggerated factions.

[@icantthinkofaname4265]

@@netherwolf3012 lol k. Think of black ops two. What the fuck were those orange ass generic enemies? Black ops three? Robots were cool as fuck but the factions were generic

[@flashgordonsthemesong2838]

Agreed. When the smartest characters in the game are the fish, something's wrong.

[@netherwolf3012]

@@icantthinkofaname4265 Well I was referring to MW moreso. BO3 is another absolute joke in storytelling. BO2 was lacking in explaining the factions, however they at least still had a very interesting story with a leader that while difficult to believe, is interesting. Oh, and the SDI was a little out there in some ways, but you could at least get what they were going for mostly.

[@Kajine64]

Topic Idea: Republic of The Sphere, Highlanders, Swordsworn (from Battletech/Mechwarrior)

[@JoaquimRabelo-zy9zt]

It's one of the most interesting faction in fictions, a united Latin America (and invaded contries) who beat the USA in battle (and lose later) and became the world biggest Empire (fascist) in size and economy, i'm fascinated as a Latin American. Off course i see it's a way of american propaganda were USA is good and the non creative work to create it ruined it, but, the backstory is cool.

[@Si-XD574]

It's not propaganda. And the federation is very poorly run.

[@NSMurley97]

I'm somewhat impressed with the backstory, but I think the Federation could've been better without anything totalitarian or fascist-related. I'm sure that if members of the nation weren't so brutal and that they used their resources to make South America a better place, I think that the people of South America would be more than happy to live under their rule. I think the Federation can be redeemed, all they have to do is change their ways by giving their people protection, respect, and better lives, pull away from the United States, apologize for breaking the truce, and get rid of Rorke.

[@licenciado9428]

currently a federation of the americas could become canon

[@outwithjohn7038]

Finally a Country I didn't know nothing about back in 2014

[@andrewjones2453]

Given that the scenario described in Ghosts would really be the "Texas and Dakotas Full Employment Act", I think there are better options for a CoD set post ME collapse. China/India/Japan all need what little oil will be exported. Seems like there's a story there that would be different and interesting. In the same scenario, Russia has an off valve on the bulk of Europe's remaining imports, but also it's own internal problems. There are also a variety of countries that European powers have history with due to resource relationships...not always amicably. See...three campaigns: China/India/Japan compete for oil transport, Russia tries to seize defensive gaps using oil leverage, and EuroCorp or just France goes looking to secure resources in old haunts. An ugly gritty world that doesn't need cartoon villainy.

[@BaxterAndLunala]

You forgot Venezuela. The Federation capital is Caracas, which is the national capital of Venezuela.

[@chaosfire321]

I wish we could've gotten a Ghosts sequel.

[@wafalme851]

Warhawk and prison break was one of the best maps in cod history

[@aghostofthepast]

Wow, my first multiplayer game was this

[@sevnesioran6193]

I'm brazilian and I approve this video.

[@owenparris7490]

I unironically like Ghosts and the Federation as the "bad guys" but they should've been given more nuance. Keep the lore but add in some Federation characters, both clearly evil and ones who are good people who believe in it. Shades of grey, and all that.

[@JonoSSD]

Honestly, just like when we conquered Uruguay for a while, the difference in language and culture would make it very difficult for Brazil to unite with other south american countries in any capacity beyond something like the EU.

[@connorgolden4]

I mean given the sheer number of differences you see in Europe I don’t think it’s that hard to imagine Brazil and the rest to SA unite in a more federalized EU.

[@alexsanchez6283]

Cod be like: America gud Russian bad