Elon Musk Isn't Telling Us Something About The Boring Company

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@kennethmoerscher6680 6 ай бұрын

The term 'spoil' is much older than Prufrock. Its not named that way because of toxic lubricant used in the drill head. If you dig a tunnel with a shovel the soil removed in the excavation is still called spoil.

@tukek88 6 ай бұрын

good to know kenneth. thanks

@tech5298 6 ай бұрын

Muck

@sparkysho-ze7nm 6 ай бұрын

Not muck?

@tukek88 6 ай бұрын

@@sparkysho-ze7nm muck it

@ignacioverboten9382 6 ай бұрын

Fuck muck. Boil spoil.

@burningsporkdeath 6 ай бұрын

So as a mining engineer with 30 years underground you discussion of "spoil" is very incorrect. The foam is a common product used by well drillers when they are basically in dirt and is used the same way by TBMs. It is a non-toxic soap product and presents no issues with landfill material. Once they are in rock there is no foam being used and the the amount of hydrocarbons (grease) is not enough to even count compared to the cuttings coming out. None of that material toxic waste unless they are cutting through something previously toxic. The reports of toxic materials is simply from grout used to cement the liner segments, typical cement burns that is possible when doing any concrete work. It is very easy to treat to make safe and is no different than what you get rinsing out a cement mixer. The fact that people in Las Vegas were getting burnt points at poor safety culture.

@EternalATomik 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to leave this comment and share your knowledge with us. I personnally cannot accept giving money away only to get misleading/poorly documented video in return. I've cancelled my patreon membership and unsubscribed to the channel. Thank you again.

@user-yl9sw4ed2f 6 ай бұрын

Finally a sane individual speaks with clear factual statement. The toxic chemical bit is just a sensationalist propaganda burp. The fact remains that the Boring company will bear fruit with many surprises in the future. The fact that everything is electronic should be a dead giveaway but sadly beyond the speculations of this third rate production, or am I being too disparaging?😂

@spikes1529 6 ай бұрын

I only have 5 to 6 years tunneling experience and i agree with all of this posters comments. Also the reason to use rings is so you can steer the tunnel. The ring isnt perfectly flat, its off set so you are able to go around turns. If you use hexagons you would have the same issues as they would need to vary in size to go around corners. Also i interviewd with the boring company and their leadership is a joke. They want everyone able to program their own solutions, not my words. Not everyone is a programmer, and expecially in the tunneling industry. They also want to build everything from scratch instead of buying commonly made items. They think they can make better things than engineers the those who specilize, maybe but it will take forever. The Boring Co average retention seems to be around 3-4 years. They don't have any work life ballance and that shows in their retention. Let me ask them this one question. If your retention rate is 3 years and you are continually loosing people because you work them to death, do you really think thats more productive than investing in the people so you have some continuitiy?

@tunnellingsalisbury7605 6 ай бұрын

@@spikes1529 Very interesting insight. Fits perfectly with my view of TBC, having followed their progress since inception. So far as I can see they are around 30 years behind the curve on TBM technology. I think this latest EPB TBM has incorporated a vacuum erector and through-the-tail grouting which just about brings them into the 20th century. It's still a fairly basic TBM by any standards and their set-up at Austin Texas confirms this for me. I wish I was exaggerating or joking as I am a huge supporter of anyone building tunnels. But their claims were, and remain, outrageous, and should be called out for what they are by qualified and experienced Engineers. MR Musk but quite some time and effort telling the world that the Tunnelling industry was outdated, corrupt and set in its ways, My experience has been largely the opposite, and it has been a privilege to be a small part of it. My question would be; do any of their staff believe the drivel on their website about production rates, 2-day launches, 3x power installed etc...? or are they just taking the money while they can until they get sick of the BS.

@RockinRonny420 5 ай бұрын

The bigger issue surrounding Musk's Boring company is the unrealistic deadlines that are putting the workers at risk of injury or death. Elon is the pyramid builder of his time. Choosing to pay lawyers to fight labor violations , rather than providing ppe or a simple shower to wash off the slurry, in my opinion, shows a lack of compassion for employees . Working long hours around loud vibrating equipment is a recipe for disaster. Is Elon sleeping in his tunnel?

@bt619x 6 ай бұрын

How much research did you actually do on boring tech. Glad there are plenty of people here to clarify what’s actually happening.

@calholli 5 ай бұрын

Get real.. lol.. AI wrote this entire script for him in just a few seconds.. All he had to do is slap some B-roll footage that he never had to go film and boom.. there's your video.. Free AI script.. Free footage.. free youtube ad money

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

Its likely being organized to manufacture robotic public control model ai soldiers, in their own version of hamas tunnels.

@juri_xiii9977 3 ай бұрын

@@calholli A.I. got the videoclips too.. lol

@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh 6 ай бұрын

Bentonite is not toxic or unsafe. It's just a type of clay.

@njones420 5 ай бұрын

It's also not as funny as cummingtonite ...

@mrsimo7144 5 ай бұрын

Also used to remove toxins from the body.

@theamaturepro 5 ай бұрын

It's used in wine making and Kitty litter. Very useful compound for many industries

@patrickmadden5938 5 ай бұрын

I’ve seen some stupid rubbish on KZbin and this is right up there with the best of them.

@terrylane1492 6 ай бұрын

It seems to me that the spoils could be mixed into a slurry and used to make many of the hexagonal tiles as substrate. Playing with the solvent choices and being able to separate the spoils in a sluice would easily allow part of the material to be reused in the formation of the walls and potentially change the makeup of the solvent as well by allowing it to be reclaimed from wash water depending on solving choices again. As a chemist, I see a lot of possible solutions to this that would align with elon's plans for recycling and saving energy.

@WarrenLacefield 6 ай бұрын

Yes, I was just thinking the very same thought. There clearly needs to be a way of "confining" or "neutralizing" the spoilage as well, especially when or while using it for some practical purpose - for underground or highway basis rock fill or for concrete or asphalt foundation, etc. Actually, I hadn't realized that tunneling required "lubricants," let alone hazardous ones. I thought the spillway just removed dirt and gravel. John Henry with his hammer, underground mining machinery, ordinary excavators and shovels don't require that (but do wear out eventually). I've stood nearby coal seam faces in underground mines watching those machines work and never worried about much except the roof supports and carbon monoxide (CO). But, on the other hand, milling machines and electric drill bits do require oil, etc., when shaving or drilling holes in metals like steel (to reduce wear). Funny how one can "miss" a fact that may be obvious to others who are more familiar with a process.

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

Highly unlikely except in very competent rock and on long projects (where it is done). Otherwise the spoil/muck/excavated material is not of a suitable quality.

@rainrainov4495 6 ай бұрын

Looks like they're already using this for tunnel walls and boring bricks.

@tunnellingsalisbury7605 5 ай бұрын

@@rainrainov4495 The concrete for the segments is a very high-quality controlled set of materials (Cement, sand, aggregates, additives). Tunnel spoil cannot be used for its manufacture (except in very exceptional circumstances such as very long tunnels constructed over several years in very high-quality rock). TBC are NOT making bricks with their spoil, they tried it, it didn't work. the spoil is too wet and too variable. TBC are not using separation plant or filter presses to remove the water from their spoil. I assume it is being taken away for drying and eventual landfill material.

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

Spoil, not spoils

@4n2earth22 6 ай бұрын

Please provide your source for the information that the "spoils" are toxic. Personally, I think you just made that part up for sensationalism. There are conditions where it is required to pressurize the cut face zone to prevent uncontrolled inflow of materials. A shield type TBM is utilized for those conditions, and a non-toxic bentonite or gypsum slurry is injected to pressurize the cutting face. I have never heard of a toxic material being used for TBM cutting operations.

@freddiecarr7602 6 ай бұрын

He is all over the place with his TBM cutter head videos---the ones with the screw conveyors would most likely be used in "SLURRY MODE" so yes they would have conditioner pumped out as the excavation comes back through tubes. If its coming back open face via conveyor then the conditioning is very light as the muck cannot be weighted down to the point the belt cant handle it

@pahom2 6 ай бұрын

The whole video is made up BS for likes from musk fans

@ZergRadio 6 ай бұрын

I freaking hate it when people try to educate us with their videos without providing their sources as we as the viewer can go and read it for ourselves. I have always thought it rather strange putting a lot of effort into making a long video and just not putting up supporting evidence in the description field. In fact in my opinion providing sources would only enhance the channel.

@ommadammo 5 ай бұрын

By introducing obvious errors, some YT'ers appear to be inviting comments to correct the same, and win points in the eyes of their evil overlord master. It's a tactic. These people get points for a level of 'interaction' with the audience. If you don't like it, ask for your money back.

@jarbuthn 5 ай бұрын

@@ZergRadiowhen your "source" is Chat GPT, you usually don't advertise that fact. 😂

@satoshimanabe2493 6 ай бұрын

Drone images show the wall segments are trapezoids, not hexagons. Trapezoids are also symmetrical, so they only need one shape. They just need to alternate between forward and reverse-tapered directions. The segment sizes also indicate they will use 6 segments per ring, not 4. I think 4 would be extremely difficult with the tunnel being only 12ft in outer diameter, and the inner being less.

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

These 6 segment rings are what are termed universal rings. They follow the TBM as it “steers” through the ground by rotating the position of the key. Imagine a salami, instead of cut at right angles it is cut a few degrees off, left then right. To make it go round a corner turn them all so the wider edges are all on the same side.

@user-yl9sw4ed2f 6 ай бұрын

@@davidsalisbury50Aha, now I understand. Thanks.👍

@user-xv8yn4ts7y 5 ай бұрын

This guy has lost it... the last 10 videos have had little bits of misinformation or like I like to say propaganda.. dudes gone over fully to the dark side. Probably on his way to protest Jewish grandparents at the senior center somewhere 😅...

@nayon9379 Ай бұрын

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@jtjames79 6 ай бұрын

Obviously he's making an underground lair.

@deker0954 6 ай бұрын

One of those machines could also serve as a section of rocket body for flying it to Mars.

@davidbeppler3032 6 ай бұрын

@@deker0954 The Lair will be on Mars. Duh!

@jboob777 5 ай бұрын

The musk cave.😂😅😂

@jtjames79 5 ай бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 You only have one?

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

Its likely being organized to manufacture robotic public control model ai soldiers, in their own version of hamas tunnels.

@johngardiner5206 6 ай бұрын

You didn't mention that, the boring machine is exactly the right size to fit in a starship payload bay. There is water on Mars. It just happens to be buried underground. He's just practicing until he can get there! 😊

@MichaelWinter-ss6lx 6 ай бұрын

That one's obvious. Also, the Starship cannot land near the colony. Subway connection is the safest option. Most of a mars colony will have to go under ground. 🚀🏴‍☠️🎸

@gumpyoldbugger6944 6 ай бұрын

If you are being serious, then you are an f'ing moron..........that or a rabid muskrat fanboi.......hmmmm......well, those two things aren't mutually exclusive......so both eh?

@nehtals 6 ай бұрын

This is getting into L Ron Hubbard levels of sci fi cult stuff

@gumpyoldbugger6944 6 ай бұрын

@@nehtals and just as silly.

@TheMagicJIZZ 6 ай бұрын

@@nehtalswait till you find out about the Von Braun 1952 mars book The city of Elon and the leader of mars being called the ELON

@miketharp4914 6 ай бұрын

*Your videos are never boring*

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I'm Fully Subscribed now

@sparkysho-ze7nm 6 ай бұрын

Classic!!! Love it

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

Maybe not boring. Just misinforming, misleading and often flat out wrong.

@puddles5501 6 ай бұрын

@@davidsalisbury50 you're arguing with bots

@patc2515 5 ай бұрын

damn you bear me to it

@LaBamba690 5 ай бұрын

"...the whole thing is owned by Elon Musk..." That's funny, because he owns only a minority of Tesla shares.

@calholli 5 ай бұрын

The speeds of digging have to do with a typical day on a longer tunnel, where everything is already in place and it is simply plowing forward and laying a straight tunnel. When you add on the complexity of the entrance and exit-- it will always take much longer on a short tunnel, vs a long tunnel where you can gain a lot of ground with simple repetition of the longer stretch in the middle. Think of it as highway miles on a car vs city miles. In the city you have much more stop and go traffic, etc. Where as the long highway, you can really gain a lot of ground with very few obstacles slowing you down. So the longer the tunnel, the higher the "average distance travel per day" should be.

@marsrocket 6 ай бұрын

Why on earth would you need multiple tunnels? Just how fast do you think the factory will be spitting out cars? Unless it’s more than one every few seconds, a single tunnel would be fine.

@kiwiscanwifi 5 ай бұрын

some maths would confirm this.

@winfordnettles3292 5 ай бұрын

It will be one every few seconds.

@patrickmadden5938 5 ай бұрын

@@winfordnettles3292 are you stupid, one every few seconds would equate to 7,000,000 cars per year.

@cenzoredworld 2 ай бұрын

or you can save all the money needed to build tunnels and just use the existing road to move them to a lot...amazing! Don't consume the vaporware, the boring company is useless

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@geemy9675 5 ай бұрын

making a car every 30seconds or even 15-20s doesn't require several roads but automating the cars to go park themselves makes sense and autonomous driving in a tunnel is easier because you have consistent lighting, no weather conditions, low chance to have wild life, or nosy humans

@AndriasTravels 6 ай бұрын

This is mostly science fiction. Boring tunnels is a slow and expensive process, no matter the company.

@baref1959 6 ай бұрын

how pretensious. penetrating below the pickle parkway using prufock 3 for parking... positively preposterous!

@Im_Just_Saying 6 ай бұрын

7:14 The capability of the machinery to tunnel through an area, especially under a bustling city with a complex infrastructure, is significantly influenced by more than just its physical capacity. The need for continuous monitoring, legal considerations, adherence to codes, and the fact that this was a pioneering venture in a real-world application, all play crucial roles in determining the actual speed of tunneling. 8:33 The tunnel sections being stored at GigaTexas are of the standard trapezoidal shape, identical to those seen in footage from the Las Vegas Loop. 12:13 The description you referred to as rectangles with slanted sides are called trapezoid, or keystones, which are uniform and designed to fit together seamlessly. This method of construction isn't a new to the Boring Company's tunnels. 12:47 Observing the construction of Gigatexas over the last 3 years highlights Tesla's proficiency in moving massive quantities of dirt quickly and efficiently.

@sparkysho-ze7nm 6 ай бұрын

@ 7 : 14 codes don’t apply 30’ deep

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

@@sparkysho-ze7nmSure they do. Tunneling under infrastructure and property? You bet your ass there will be oversight and codes.

@nickclark2278 6 ай бұрын

There’s a reason why the “rectangular” rings (they’re not rectangular by the way) are that shape. They’re actually trapezoidal and placing them as different angles allows you to curve the tunnel with out having to cast custom panels. I don’t get how the identical hexagons will allow you to put curbed in the tunnel??

@YR2050 5 ай бұрын

Assuming the tunnel is a perfect circle, then each tile should also have the same curvature. It doesn't matter if it's rectangle or trapezoidal or hexagonal.

@davidsalisbury50 5 ай бұрын

@@YR2050 The segments they are using are called a universal ring, made up of 6 trapeziodal pieces. If you imaging a built ring it will be 12ft internal dimeter, about 13ft 6 inches external diameter. It will be around 5ft long. However, it is 4ft 11 inches on one side and 5ft 1 inch on the other. This "taper" allows the ring to be built inside the tail shield so they follow the TBM. By rotating the ring to any one of (I think it is 18 positions (the spacing of the circumferential dowel holes), curves can be built, Left, Right, Up or Down. (Cut a salami in thick slices, but make each slice a little bit left then right. then rotate every second piece by 180 degrees so the thick sides line up, your straight salami becomes a curved one. varying the rotation means you can go in any direction ). This is not really possible with hexagonal rings as the overlap each other by 50% in the linear direction (the maths gets a bit complex here but they just can't be made to go round corners very well). They also cannot take the same amount of thrust from the TBM pushing forward (without separating at their joints) and they do leak a lot more at the joints. Hexagonal rings are used generally only on very long, straight tunnels in rock, i.e. for water transfer tunnels, and they are built behind double shield TBM's which rely largely on the rock face for thrust reaction with the ring build independent from the excavation advance. This way they can build faster, but in a very limited range of ground conditions.

@tetrahedralone 6 ай бұрын

The explanation is unlikely. For the number of vehicles produced per hour, I doubt that the factory output would congest their road way. The likely reason is simply an opportunity to perform R&D for the boring equipment on property already under their ownership.

@zvexevz 6 ай бұрын

The Boring Company does not own the Tesla Gigafactory. Just because one person is connected with both companies does entail common ownership of assets. These stan channels seem to forget that these companies are not just one person. Tesla is owned by its shareholders.

@tetrahedralone 6 ай бұрын

@@zvexevz I didn't expressly state that the Boring Company owns the Tesla Gigafactory. You are assuming what "their ownership" referred to the Boring Company. The grammar doesn't even support it. That said, in this situation the parties involved don't have to overcome the same trust barriers as when you have when two unrelated organizations that are working together.

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

A short tunnel for transfer is more efficient, time wise. Even if drivers have to return via the road. If the wet dream of automated driving from end of line to prep comes to fruition, it will be more efficient and vehicles will arrive cleaner.

@toadsauce8091 6 ай бұрын

What people don’t understand about Elon Musk is when he wants to do something he starts a company to get him there. He wanted to go to the mars so he started a rocket company. He wanted to transport people in tunnels, so he started a boring company..

@sparkysho-ze7nm 6 ай бұрын

……so boring cause th good names were already taken HA

@kennethcoogler7904 4 ай бұрын

I wonder why someone that has done nothing but tap tap tap on a keyboard would even think that they know more than someone that actually builds something that has helped the masses.. while everything he does do might not succeed l truly admire him for trying to make things better..

@mlentsch 6 ай бұрын

"porpoising" - like the dolphin.

@njones420 5 ай бұрын

cetation needed ...

@mlentsch 5 ай бұрын

@@njones420 lol - well done!

@njones420 5 ай бұрын

@@mlentsch yeah, not going to lie, I was quite pleased with myself after that 😅

@georgewbushcenterforintell147 6 ай бұрын

The only way to dig 7 miles a day is to use a rotary plasma drill that vaporizes the Rock and cuts then the rock is turned into support for the tunnel. The technology and the engineer is now been declassified and you can find information now .

@jameswilson5165 6 ай бұрын

Oh, great, Hit a gas pocket or a line everyone forgot and you'll have a bad day. A mile a day from tunneling to sealed and on to the next section is fine.

@chrisschneiders6734 4 ай бұрын

Another pie in the sky from musk, driverless cars by 2018.. give us a break from this nonsense.

@avgjoe5969 3 ай бұрын

@@jameswilson5165 For most purposes such as inter city, you can drill deep at a depth below 100 meters and not worry about much, maybe even below the likely water tables.

@davidbeppler3032 6 ай бұрын

The "spoil" needs turned into bricks for building low income housing for the poor. That was the idea. Why are they not making super cheap, possibly toxic, bricks!?!

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

Maybe because the spoil is completely useless for making bricks (even if not contaminated with grease and washing up liquid). Maybe….just Maybe their (Musks) claim about bricks was just a little bit stupid.

@davidbeppler3032 5 ай бұрын

@@davidsalisbury50 Some people have reading comprehension skills.

@hal8683 6 ай бұрын

Go Elon... the robots are coming! America must win the EV race! thx Elon!!

@pedrosura 4 ай бұрын

Take a look at the Boring’s brilliant work in Las Vegas.. How is the Hyperloop?coming along?

@TomMoench 5 ай бұрын

They currently can produce MYs every 40 sec. To handle that output the tunnels have to be able load 1 car < the output rate (eg 40 secs but will be faster in the future) otherwise a bottleneck forms which slows production flow and whenever flow slows the cost of production goes up. There needs to be more then one tunnel in case something happens in the tunnel that shuts it down (ie flow stops and cost rises). Multiple tunnels are therefore necessary to create excess tunnel capacity to ensure, yup, flow does not slow down. Keep in mind that an empty tunnel does not increase production costs, but lack of tunnel capacity for any reason does.

@CoolClearWaterNM 6 ай бұрын

Other than just going silent and hoping another failure will go away, not much for him to say.

@ChrisBullock1978 6 ай бұрын

what people forget is the water level? The tunnel will be half under ground lvl water. this will be a challenge for it

@davidsalisbury50 5 ай бұрын

This type of TBM can operate under up to 3 bar hydrostatic water pressure. That's what the EPB screw is for. Lots of videos to explain it out there for you to see that explain it far better than I can in words.

@patrickfox-roberts7528 3 ай бұрын

Run of the mill, no revolution, tunneling company.

@bradp767 6 ай бұрын

While breakdowns and maintenance might be possible in most likely at least are possible and happening I wouldn't completely blame that on the reason for slow digging in Las Vegas. I'm not exactly sure what is underneath the Las Vegas strip area however I can tell you that in the Mojave desert there are massive massive areas of what is called caliche is basically hard pressed sediment stone that is like a concrete! I used to live in Vegas not anywhere around the strip however they will spend weeks and weeks and weeks with jackhammers trying to dig a 20 or 30 ft deep hole. They can dig all the dirt and sand out no problem it's when they hit that caliche stuff that they literally shake the earth for miles in every direction. For my understanding their sheets or large pieces. If you're somewhere like what you have described Austin to be where it's more like a medium sedimentary chalk substance it should be able to do a mile in a week all day!

@asmael666 6 ай бұрын

7:50 Often the tunneling machines are steered aside to dig a tunnel in which they are left underground. Especially when you're digging from both sides, you have to leave the (wide) tunneling shield underground and can only salvage the rear parts that are smaller in diameter, like the part that builds the tunnel wall from prefabricated concrete segments.

@PaulADAigle 5 ай бұрын

Seems as if the 'spoil' could be immediately reused as a cement replacement, either the hex walls or additional construction. The amount of actual dirt may still be a problem, but if it's tested as non-toxic, it can still be used.

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@lyledude11 6 ай бұрын

To Hades with these ASSUMPTIVE videos.

@user-xv8yn4ts7y 5 ай бұрын

Yep all this dude seems to do lately

@davidanalyst671 5 ай бұрын

the west side of the highway is empty" "he is building the tunnels to the west side which has chargers and a finishing building" in the span of 60 seconds this guy reverses himself

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

Its likely being organized to manufacture robotic public control model ai soldiers, in their own version of hamas tunnels.

@peterwilson5875 Ай бұрын

On building just one tunnel. I think the authorities require maybe something like six months to prove that the tunnel has done no harm. Before allowing another tunnel to be started . If I'm right it will be four tunnels in all. An extra tunnel close to the present one and two near the Model Y end of line.

@mackman77095 6 ай бұрын

The spoil is limestone. Limestone is the basis of cement. You put it in a kiln and at the end you have cement, mix with pot ash and gravel, you have concrete. Either they will use it, or will sell it to cement companies.

@WarrenLacefield 6 ай бұрын

Yes, indeed, but they said it was mixed with some kind of hazardous "lubricants." I didn't know about and don't really understand that part. In my own experience, I have never heard about any such lubricants required for mining or earth tunneling.

@tomszabo7350 6 ай бұрын

Lol they are not going to build a kiln there! 😂

@sparkysho-ze7nm 6 ай бұрын

Soul cement base for rock dways

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

Not enough volume or quality to make it commercially viable. 90% of TBM spoil is just used for landfill/reclamation.

@WarrenLacefield 6 ай бұрын

@@davidsalisbury50Much of the whole history and activity at Giga-Factory involves landfill and restoration. It sits on the Martin Marieta surface mining site. Lone Star and Texas Materials are right there. If this video is wrong about "hazardous spoilage" (as so many commenters argue), then there should be no problem and plenty of use-cases for the excess tunneled-out dirt, sand, and rock right on the site.

@pplusbthrust 6 ай бұрын

When it comes to the things that Musk's company's are doing the dreams are constantly coming true. And investors obviously commit their cash to the dreamers. Dream on kids.

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

Dreams can come true. Mine did, I bought my Tesla with proceeds from trading stock including Tesla.

@bebo4807 4 ай бұрын

I live in a city entirely made of Tesla bricks. I travel to work in the hyper loop and sometimes take vacations to mars on Space X.

@BilichaGhebremuse 4 ай бұрын

Could we use this machine to rain off the rainfall in some countries to flow underground to the ground internatinal ground water to flow sothat decrease flooding

@Milarz 6 ай бұрын

Why the heck would you need a series of tunnels (let alone stacked) to deliver finished autos, supposedly self-driving, just across the road? There's a futuristic mode of transportation, that I've coined "XHyperRailTrain" that could be used to move these autos. This futuristic system, which has been in use for over a century, would move the cars using semi-automated freight cars on a tracked loop to load these autos at the production line and unload them at the warehouse. Do you think The Boring Company is up to the task of creating two short tunnel sections? Granted, they may neither get new-age lighting nor the individual slow drivers that the Las Vegas Loop has.

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

Its likely being organized to manufacture robotic public control model ai soldiers, in their own version of hamas tunnels.

@TomMoench 5 ай бұрын

One of the flow management principles Elon touts is no unneeded parts. Another he follows is all distance traveled is a non-value added cost, therefore the shortest distance is the least cost. If the cars can drive autonomously there is no need for any transportation system to the holding area other than an unfettered surface and SW to follow, find and park. Can TBC currently build multiple tunnels to do this (if speculation is correct)? I don’t know. But if they are under Musk's watchful eye being at the Gigafactory, failing forward, and a bottleneck for vehicle production, Elon will be found in the scrum helping to break the bottleneck. Another possibility is that Musk needs autonomous tunneling capability to use on Mars within the next 10 years. TBC is not proceeding at the same pace as the other needed infrastructure elements (eg solar collection and storage, humanoid workers, autonomous vehicles, LEO surface communication network (aka Starlink) etc). Why not bring the technology to where its deployment and development is not tied to outside political or other company interests and concerns, but into serving the furtherance of the current core business, BEV production, and use that flow management system to drive breakthrough improvements boring technology? Now it can proceed as fast as Musk prioritizes it and the engineers can deliver (eg think SpaceX).

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

@@TomMoench But travelling the shortest distance will limit anyones ability to get away quickly, having to stop and recharge takes time, ensures your location is known instantly. All of this stuff is designed for monitoring and control being sold under another umbrella. You will all see.

@TomMoench 5 ай бұрын

@@user-co2li1vd5d glad you joined in. interesting comment although it does not pertain to Tesla production and the possible use of tunnels for vehicle transport under discussion. No people. Just capitalism advancing sustainable energy. 🙂

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

@@TomMoench Im looking through to the end of the details...unimportant details which I feel only serve to misdirect from the end game.

@dancingdog2790 6 ай бұрын

Hexagons are the bestagons!

@CombatSport777 6 ай бұрын

Fart

@TheCostofAutism 5 ай бұрын

Prufrock 2 was supposed to do 1 mi per week, as for Prufrock 3 it's supposed to do 1 mi per day NOT 7 Mi per day..... basically it's seven times faster

@tunnellingsalisbury7605 5 ай бұрын

Reality is Prufrock 2 is achieving 120m per week (at best). Similar to an average TBM. Prufrock 3 could not move at 1 mile per day if it was just pushing itself forward with instant ring-build and nothing to excavate. Its propulsion rams can't cycle that fast under load. If, and it's a big if, it can achieve an average of over 30m per day on this drive I will be very impressed. My prediction is 5-6 weeks for the full 300m or so crossing i.e. 50m/week or 10m /day.

@davidsalisbury50 3 ай бұрын

@@tunnellingsalisbury7605 My bad, currently (4 June 24) 30m a week and falling.

@chrisschneiders6734 4 ай бұрын

Maybe the problem is 2.7 million revenue for 2023..with 200 so called employees.

@cenzoredworld 2 ай бұрын

That's an ouch

@zekew2418 6 ай бұрын

What happens to your "spoils" if natural biodegradable lubricants are used in the cutting heads?

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

They are.

@user-xv8yn4ts7y 5 ай бұрын

They are already and have been for a long time.. this channel used to be about amazing things now its about changing the narrative because musk won't buy into the mind virus! He has no choice the cult will turn on him!

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

Spoil, not spoils.

@winfordnettles3292 5 ай бұрын

They already are. It's called bentonite. Just don't eat too much of it.

@zekew2418 5 ай бұрын

Here on my Farm in WI we had to fill a 100+ year old well with bentonite to fill/close the well. Not allowed to just dump a load of gravel in there. My understanding is bentonite swells from H2O contact and form a semi impermeable path for water headed to be ground water. I did not eat any of it looked like my clay soils we have locally.@@winfordnettles3292

@lwandileqhaka4560 4 ай бұрын

It would be much easier to develop environmentally friendly lubricants to avoid the toxic spoil issue.

@DAOnero 5 ай бұрын

Can’t they make the hexagon tiles out of the spoil? Or is off gassing the problem with that?

@davidwatkins622 6 ай бұрын

The Boring company ... Is ... PRACTICE. This is how Elon will build SpaceX Moon Base and Mars Base. The base is already there, you just need to clear out the dirt filling it up.

@SmithsMobile 6 ай бұрын

I listened untill you said "I think we think we might know" before realising you know f**k all. 😂

@LifeMyWay007 6 ай бұрын

hahaha he makes interesting videos, unfortunately they are always full of guesses and he is usually completely wrong. I like watching his videos but there is something in almost every one that is aggravatingly incorrect. I don't think is is willful misinformation, just perpetual ignorance.

@user-xv8yn4ts7y 5 ай бұрын

No they have been slowly been turning negative for a while.. he used to at least be excited about his bullshit but since musk put the smack down on all his mind virus heroes, it's really taken a turn..lol Dude is a total Trudeau lover!

@YouCountSheep 6 ай бұрын

You do realise that this traffic tunnel is just RND for eventual mars construction. Yes it sounds good on paper, but large tunnels here are worse off because of tectonic activity like earthquakes. It sounds good to make a pressure negative tunnel compared to atmosphere because you get less drag and such more speed with less fuel, but I doubt that traffic tunnels were the real goal of the boring company anyways. Everything Elon does, even Tesla with electric vehicles or Starlink has some use for an eventual Mars colony. Its all infrastructure.

@BigEars86 6 ай бұрын

Not all drilling styles are toxic. Only some of the cutting fluids are toxic. A lot of the. Are bio degradable and some just happily sit there and do nothing.

@infoSeeker007 5 ай бұрын

I truly agree!!! 😊 By doing you learn every time a little bit more a little bit more and it gets better. Keep at it and you'll become an expert. Amen 😇😇😇

@brothernick7221 6 ай бұрын

The Boring Company makes bricks and other usable castings out of the spoil waste. My guess he can use the waste to cast the hexagon segments for the walls.

@leonardnewbill793 6 ай бұрын

Agreed

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

No they don’t. They tried it on their first attempt and gave up straight away b cause they realised what everyone who understands these things already knew. It was a stupid idea.

@radarw64 6 ай бұрын

Remember the Mars plan is relying on "The Boring Company " too.

@DeeyaGarg 6 ай бұрын

Giga Texas has Elon’s smartest folks. He is pulling the toughest problems closer to these folks. He is doing same for Gen 3 car

@davidanalyst671 5 ай бұрын

Your segment that the west side of the highway is empty other than shipping containers needs an update. Tesla has had a giant finishing building and is quickly expanding the infrastructure to provice a million charging stations on that side. If only you were able to keep up with tesla.

@davidanalyst671 5 ай бұрын

you say the west side is empty.... and 3 seconds later you say it has a finishing building and a charger station. This video stupid.

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

A million SuperChargers? Not bloody likely. The land has been used for parking, the "warehouse on wheels" concept, storing construction and other materials, and now the final prep building and outbound shipping lot. A Delivery Center has been rumored at North end of the final prep building where the glass wall is located.

@samsalin 6 ай бұрын

The tunnel system seems to be far more useful as new trade routes not people transportation. If the tunnels could be large enough to move shipping containers, that could be huge.

@MichaelWinter-ss6lx 6 ай бұрын

But why containers? Tesla are supposed to be self driving, and in a tunnel they can do exactly that. Even all the way to a container port.

@samsalin 6 ай бұрын

@MichaelWinter-ss6lx which is a waste of energy and time to move a bunch of independent trucks across the country. Far better to have these underground high-speed routes from the ports to inland. If it can fit basic shipping containers, that would kill like 80% of cross country trucking, excluding mountains or perma frost. It would clear up the major highways, at least. From those distribution points, tesla trucks can move products around locally and be back to charge by night. The amount of money tesla could make by just a small tax on goods that can travel multiple states in a day without human intervention would be staggering. Just think of it, an automatic crain, pulling containers straight from the ships, and putting them directly on an underground tram, its location to any of the major US city's is already programed and off it goes. Just for another auto crain to lift them to a tesla truck and off it goes. It's almost foolproof. No humans needed

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

Its likely being organized to manufacture robotic public control model ai soldiers, in their own version of hamas tunnels...robots dont need to breathe

@tuckere5380 6 ай бұрын

I thought Musk was going to make bricks out of the spoils? But if that is toxic material I would guess that is not possible? And with toxic waste, you have to pay to get rid of it.

@priceringo1756 6 ай бұрын

It has already been announced that Optimus will be assembled in Austin. Why assume the new tunnels under Pickle Parkway are for the CyberTruck. I'd like to think it is a path for newly created robots to await final shipping!

@AndriasTravels 6 ай бұрын

All that is needed is a sidewalk, so the robots can just walk over, to make sure they really work.

@ravencroftgraphics3d 6 ай бұрын

I am betting this will be proof of concept for the moon/mars programs for subterranean 'dwellings and infrastructure' as it can fit into the starship with the starships measurements.

@davidsalisbury50 6 ай бұрын

Really….. how much do you want to bet? I will even give you good odds.

@user-yl9sw4ed2f 6 ай бұрын

Me too. Tunneling will be absolutely massive on Mars, with the added benefit of more efficiency due to lower g. I can't wait. I used to work underground and long believed this would be the new way under, also here on Earth, but the Mars aspect is truly gamechanging.

@user-yl9sw4ed2f 6 ай бұрын

@@davidsalisbury50All of Elon's money, boyo.😂

@tunnellingsalisbury7605 6 ай бұрын

@@user-yl9sw4ed2f OK. So, give me a timeline for this to become a reality, a TBM tunnel on Mars built by Elon Musk's The Boring Company. I don't believe we will get to Mars with people in the next 20 years. Personally, I don't believe there is anyone alive yet who will stand on Mars. Although I do think humanity will get there one day. And then we are further generations away from that point to where we start building underground infrastructure there. Hence it won't be any more Mr Musk's TBM's than the helicopter was Leonardo da Vinci's design.

@LG-qz8om 6 ай бұрын

There's a 1966 Patent on a Tunneling Machine. Instead of toxic lubrucation or even removing spoils is that this device melts the rock and uses pressure to compress the melted spoils into an air-tight, water-tight tunnel wall. It uses a nuclear tip to melt rock and with nothing to remove it has tunnelled at least miles per day. Its what the military used for decades up to today.

@davidbeppler3032 6 ай бұрын

The Military do not need to take into account the EPA, laws, or human rights.

@freddiecarr7602 6 ай бұрын

You think those knuckheads would have used it at the Nevada test site. Instead, they used conventional TBM's

@RobC1999 6 ай бұрын

Where did you get that? I don’t believe it.

@peterhaag9344 6 ай бұрын

If the tunnel is hollow then the rock has to be removed melted or not!

@LG-qz8om 6 ай бұрын

Compressed rock is even denser than normal rock. This also happens to make tunnel walls incredibly strong.

@winfordnettles3292 5 ай бұрын

Wonder why Elon Musk does not employ a tunnel melting process like the US Government has used for many years? It is more technically complicated, however, keeping in mind the innovation and technical expertise that is used at Tesla and SpaceX, not a problem. A tunnel melting machine forms the roughly 7" thick tunnel walls from the molten rock and dirt that is displaced by the melter, thus eliminating the need for the construction and installation of tiles for the walls. The process was tested and perfected many, many years ago by Sandia National Labs, and, by now, I am sure that the original patent protections have long since run their course. So, why not use it? A tunnel melter could be fitted with the angular displacement system currently in use by the Boring Company to begin the tunnel from ground level, thus eliminating the need to dig a vertical initial hole.

@davidsalisbury50 5 ай бұрын

It’s not excavating rock.

@aldosanchez3740 4 ай бұрын

very informative, thank you for the video

@blzlight 6 ай бұрын

Source? Trust me bro!?

@S30Uploads 5 ай бұрын

ANYBODY CATCH GARY THE SNAIL ON THE SIGN? I LIVE NEXT TO THE BORING COMPANY VICTORIVILLE CA, AND IF YOU THINK THEY ARE ONLY DIGGING A LITTLE WAYS, I CAN PROMISE YOU'RE WRONG. AND NOW WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ABOUT NOBODY WOULD NOTICE ANY EXTRA DIRT DOESN'T AGE WELL

@eulogy4anange1 2 ай бұрын

Next compact suv is beautiful.. finally

@djfremen 6 ай бұрын

It’s concerning the environmental waste generated by such process also the adverse health affects on the operators.

@winfordnettles3292 5 ай бұрын

The bentonite clay that is used as a lubricant for the cutting head is not toxic or hazardous. I would recommend eating a lot of it, though. Not unless you have stock in Exlax.

@ZeekMX 5 ай бұрын

Mr. Musk deserves my best efforts to protect him from anything he can't detect. It's a symbiotic arrangement. He says Shinigami and I say Tom Scholz. Because that is the requirement to the best of my knowledge.

@williamsedlock3903 5 ай бұрын

The ultimate endgame is to stack one of these boring machines inside of a heavy spaceship hauler and get it to Mars the whole plan is to be underground in Mars not above ground where you can get more damage from the winds and the unfriendly atmosphere until things get straightened out in a couple hundred years😂

@Kerrsartisticgifts 5 ай бұрын

Elon should send a boring machine to Mars and create a whole underground mall and accommodation complex for the base camp.

@avgjoe5969 3 ай бұрын

Very nice presentation.

@havaianuu 6 ай бұрын

What is really boring are the exaggerated claims and promises that never come true. This 7 miles per day will turn out to be, maybe, 1 mile per 7 days, 1/49 of the bs promised.

@markmanning8832 5 ай бұрын

Could they not change the stuff used on the front of the Boring machine? Maybe make it a concrete sluice? The part to help move the rock could contain most of the water while, once in the Boring machine, it could be made into the concrete to make the hexagonal walls. (BTW : A hexagonal wall is nothing new. Bees have been doing that for centuries as well as some people using hexagons rather than square areas for the increased strength.)

@johnhawkins2105 5 ай бұрын

It was probably long past time the Boring Company was doing something. I wonder how much of a slow traffic jam the tunnel will experience upon completion?

@ChrisBullock1978 5 ай бұрын

Funny you need to know the geology of the area. The water lvl of that area is about 45 feet below the freeway. The spoil issue I do not think is a real problem since contaminating water is not good

@dave-hp3rf 5 ай бұрын

I myself actually thought that Boring machines and digging of tunnels was quite old hat you know , established technology am I wrong?

@davidsalisbury50 5 ай бұрын

You are right. But TBC have managed to re-invent 30 year old tunnelling technology and pass it off as something revolutionary. Just proves how stupid his investors are, and what a con artist he is.

@abdullahshakir1039 6 ай бұрын

It's amazing that we will be "goign" to Mars... 0:23 Nice video though!

@user-co2li1vd5d 5 ай бұрын

Nobodys goign to mars...but some of us are going to be going away right before all hell breaks loose

@TruthRevealer1 5 ай бұрын

I think you’re missing the point here about the uniqueness of Prufrock twos ability. The entire reason, the physics, behind the idea is to expend little to zero energy by allowing gravitational force to provide the majority of the uphill lift on the anterior side of the tunnel. In other words, the momentum as it goes, downhill provides the energy needed to deliver it almost the top of the other side. This concept has humongous global potential for long trips at an energy cost of next to nothing.

@davidsalisbury50 5 ай бұрын

Like metro tunnels do between stations. Spot on.

@cenzoredworld 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, he's not telling you it's a waste of resources that will never make anything of value, like most of his other ideas.

@fulca4389 6 ай бұрын

You guys are looking at this by pieces…. Elon is looking at this as one big company to conquer Mars… Space X to bring us to Mars, Starlink for communications Mars (and earth to Mars) , Optimus robots to build the foundations for the first human colonies, boring company to build the new underground bunkers and roads (the safest way to colonized) , Neuralink to use robots as Avatars and to control tech, Solar city to generate extra power for machinery, life support systems, tools etc etc …. Tesla batteries to store energy and so on… you guys 😂😂😂

@ggardner1138 4 ай бұрын

Voted down because of the incorrect explanation of the term "spoil", which in this context means "earth and rock excavated or dredged"

@Leto2ndAtreides 5 ай бұрын

The most likely reason for weak news is that nothing sufficiently interesting that can be sold to us has happened yet.

@chrisschneiders6734 5 ай бұрын

Should be finished before musk heads off to live on Mars, latest date is 2184..

@SjMk1. 5 ай бұрын

great idea having several giga-tunnels heading straight to the out bound lot

@alandavis1127 4 ай бұрын

Austin Chalk. Pickle Parkway. No. Neither of those things are used with any frequency by anyone that lives here. But...good video.

@nickfosterxx 5 ай бұрын

Let's suppose... six assembly lines each producing a car every 30 seconds. (Er, wow!) But that two-lane surface street can't handle a car every five seconds or so? Meaning they need to build a tunnel? I'm not persuaded More likely it's a trial testbed for Prufrock 3.

@eulogy4anange1 2 ай бұрын

I have anxiety attacks in small tunnels when i cant get out for air

@user-fv7jt1tm3c 5 ай бұрын

The very first time I heard the name of Elon's company involved with tunneling... And I fully intend to invest in it , because I understand it better than some of the other companies Elon has created. I think, without personally knowing him, we share a broken childhood that helped ... or hindered... our respective attempts to make serious changes in and for the world's people ... both large and small.

@maxrodger1644 5 ай бұрын

You don't seem to understand tunelling that well then.

@virtual2152 6 ай бұрын

If my name had been Pickle, I would have changed it.

@sallerc 6 ай бұрын

Great video thx, has been looking for a good video explaining TBC operations and prufrock for a while now

@davidwebb4904 6 ай бұрын

Please stop stating as fact things that are blatantly wrong.

@rudycastillo4150 6 ай бұрын

Why do you say that? What was wrong ?

@SpaceTravel1776 6 ай бұрын

He does weirdly state things that haven’t happened yet as if they have, like that there are tunnels underneath Giga Tesla. He then does state they haven’t dug them yet, but it’s a weird way speaking.

@kyledodge5513 6 ай бұрын

Such as...?

@nguyep4 6 ай бұрын

In the beginning, it is said "I think..." for what it worth noting.

@tehjamerz 6 ай бұрын

Surely they will dig the tunnels underneath when the factory is running,..... lmao It's already built, bozo

@bebo4807 4 ай бұрын

And my $40000 rust proof bullet proof cyber truck goes 500 miles on a single charge!

@hillmans69 6 ай бұрын

The spoils for a 14' O.D. tunnel are 5.7 cu. yd. per foot so a 950' tunnel would result in only 5,416 cu. yd. total. Hardly a huge amount, a block 50' x 50' x 58'. BTW, 950' is from the entry point to a spot inside the new south extension.

@pazsion 5 ай бұрын

thats well over a square mile... maybe more than 50'ft high 🤓

@hillmans69 5 ай бұрын

@@pazsionCheck my math please. Area of a circle = Pi*r*r, so 7 * 7 * Pi * 950 is total volume of 14' diameter (7' radius) tunnel 950' long. Take that figure / 50 / 50 would result in height in feet. So 7 * 7 * 3.1415926535 * 950 / 50 / 50 = 58.5' tall, so yes, it's a significant volume of spoils, but very usable around the Giga-Texas construction site. They're always moving a lot of clean fill around. 5416 cu. yd. is only 123 loads for scrapers that carry 44 cu. yd. That's only a few days worth of fill movement for Giga Texas.

@nowsc 6 ай бұрын

… it’s not called “spoil “because the soil has been soiled with chemicals :-) it’s called spoil because that’s what it’s always been called in mining - chemicals or no. You’re welcome :-)

@TrCic 5 ай бұрын

The spoil is hazardous? Weren't they pressing it into bricks and selling them for cheap when they first started??

@sparkysho-ze7nm 6 ай бұрын

Answer to secret tunnel….. Teslas can exit factory an be delivered to future loading zone autonomously without FSD

@The_DuMont_Network 5 ай бұрын

Pray tell how?

@drakemia4079 5 ай бұрын

Tesla should put a tunnel where the bridge in Baltimore fell down.

@ChrisBullock1978 6 ай бұрын

Also what is interesting is the spoil. What makes it toxic? Can we get a chemical break down? Where did giga Las Vegas put its spoil sence you say toxic

@davidsalisbury50 5 ай бұрын

Vegas's problem has been the annulus grout. A cement paste with an accelerator added. Pretty bad skin burns of it gets on you and you don't clean it off quick. Plus they were using very outdated methods for the grouting, lots of waste, leaving it in the invert, workers get grout burns on their legs.The foam additive to the cutterhead is basically a biodegradable foaming agent (Washing up liquid).