Islamesque: How Islam Shaped Western Skylines with Diana Darke

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@@Naushad1210 Jazakallah Khair

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz1405]

romans called the germanic tribes barbarians. They stole Muslims sciences.

[@fedesetrtatio1]

he so-called Golden Age of Islam was built on the scientific progress of the infidels they conquered converted and exploited. Once that was exhausted the Arabs had no more to go on and thus Islam receded into the barbaric dark ages from whence it came from and still remains till today.

[@CineRanter]

Oh Diana Darke! I recently finished her book The Ottomans: A Cultural Legacy. Absolutely fantastic work

[@fafafais]

Thanks

[@Owl1416-e5i]

Interesting fact: Prostitution is allowed in Islam. The evidence for this is in the book Kitabu-lamwaal by Abu 'Ubaid al-Qasim bin Salaam (كتاب الأموال لأبي عبيد القاسم بن سلام رقم الرواية 124) in narration number 124, and the narration is trustworthy. In the narration, there's evidence that the early caliphate in the time of the Salah used to take jizyah from the prostitutes, which means that their job was recognized as legitimate by the caliphate. They saw prostitution as that the woman was hired for sex. So she was bought temporarily, and this was seen as temporary slavery, hence that it was seen as permissible.

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Fantastic!

[@Naushad1210]

​@@Owl1416-e5iimagine being so scared of Islam that you have to make desperate off topic posts like this one. Keep flailing around on the carpet, love. We will just spread and grow while you continue to kick and scream.

[@Naushad1210]

​​@@Owl1416-e5iyou're too dense to understand that Jizyah was taken from non-Muslims. Why would Muslims police the private sins of non-Muslims? They took Jizyah from non-Muslims who made money through interest, too, even though interest is forbidden in Islam. Your entire argument is idiotic.

[@cogthusiast1150]

19:41 but the difference is, the Trinitarian Christians were murdering the Muslims in Spain while the early Damascus Muslims were respectful of the local Christians. That's the difference between the two civilisations, Muslim and Western.

[@sparrow3491]

Because Islam as the ruler is the only one capable and managing of having different religions live peacefully. Islam is the only one in history that can and has realized that. An undeniable fact.

[@agentsmidt3209]

In General "Christian" is West Asian.

[@Enforcer901]

​@@agentsmidt3209no. Stop separating them to make yourself feel good. It's white european. That's the majority of them christian who ended up killing everyone else by labeling them as savages. They are still doing it by labeling them as terrorist.

[@yasirmalik11]

Her book Stealing From the Saracens is a modern classic! It has been done more than any other work recently to put in spotlight the Islamic roots of so-called European architecture.

[@joemccormick9109]

I love this show. Asking a coherent question and allowing the guest to speak is such a rare phenomenon these days. Really enjoyable

[@Kyrgyzstan6473]

Agree 💯

[@snakejuce]

Forsure

[@Z1A2333]

So true!!

[@abderrahimelarabi4522]

Diana is one of the important links between Muslim and Europe culture marriage, and her analytical testimony only points the Muslim nation pluralism !! Muslims right after the prophet Mohammed PBUH and all through next 10 centuries were very respectful to other cultures ,learning from them especially the Christians and Jews!!! Creativity and diversity were at the peak because of that !! We need this now and Diana is definitely contributing. Good choices Jalal , you always surprise us!! Jazak Allah khayran

[@mothompson3437]

I agree the beautiful nature of Palestine came about through cultures interacting with each other.the western countries dont understand this..they are far more racist, which is how the horror of nazi Germany came about and before that the attempted eliminating of all local inhabitants.of the American continent. It is Europeans doing the same thing again to Palestine

[@user-s8jb3qb6y]

I wouldn't call it a culture "marriage" but the rest is spot on.

[@sarrrfarrr]

I loved the pace of this interview on a subject I know nothing about. Thank you Dr. Darke and Br. Jalal.

[@Razi1200]

It’s very difficult for Western minds to conceptualize a framework for pluralism outside of secular liberalism via the modern nation state. Not only is pluralism inherently a function of the Shari’ah, but Muslims established and excelled at it for 1200 years.

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

dang, that's actually a great insight, and a very important one. GGs bro

[@MrSufiSeeker]

Islam was great in the past, but not anymore. With extreme conservatism, xenophobia against Kuffar West, and Wahhabism and literalism, Islam is NOW a symbol of not only backward, but also often violent, narrowminded, and religious supremacists. Islam declined and the West went up. It is time the Muslim world embrace the Western Civilization while maintaining Sufi spirituality.

[@السرطاوي-د9ب]

In fact islam maximized both plurality, and individuality, where both can work together at harmony without contradictions. The west is indeed confused about everything, and that is why their young generations are flocking to islam.

[@melchizedek6279]

Is there anything in English that you would recommend to read that goes more in depth into it? A primer of sorts. I’d appreciate it. Academic prose or not.

[@sivaratnamasabaratnam8946]

Because Secular Liberalism created a neo Eugenic supremacy replaced altruistic Christianity for globalisation & neo colonism! 2:59

[@husnachowdhury7770]

Everytime i listen i get inspired to honestly learn about history of Islam so much more . Great guests who are very inspirational ❤ Thank you The Muslim Thinker!

[@Pierre-vn5rh]

Merci pour cette entrevue avec professeur Diana Darke! Les horizons s'ouvrent tranquillement et les recherches sérieuses se font et cela permet de déconstruire les fausses idées. Merci encore✌️✌️☮️☮️❤️❤️

[@GeorgianaHal]

Merci d avoir une âme libre et un esprit ouvert à la lumière et qui refuse d etre simple

[@magentaorchids]

Deconstruct false ideas indeed

[@adrisajjad6370]

I am amazed by this women knowledge how muslim have influenced the western world

[@12345678999246]

How did I not know about this amazing lady? I’ve been living under a stone

[@sparrow3491]

Because the West doesn't promote people like her who have an understanding of Islamic history that is factual. They don't teach about Islamic thinkers, Islam as it should be. Only propaganda and lies. She doesn't fit the picture because the illusion of the West is the Pinnacle and the best civilization on earth has to remain. But all that will come to an end.

[@Fellagha-d9z]

The bit hole in the education of our children mentioned as the so called Dark Age. They skip this part of history and leave centuries of history of the Islamic golden ages when most of science and technology discovered. And this to my mind, is completely deliberate.

[@GazaPalestina-z3w]

💯

[@Kyrgyzstan6473]

I love the way how The Thinking Muslim helps me to grow as a Muslim. All speakers in one way or another show gaps in Islamic history, personality, laws I need to know and fill.

[@Durga-ct2eb]

Delightful, engaging and enlightening, thank you Diana for your work and Thinking Muslin for this interview. Europeans thinking they were/are the center of the universe has always been part of heir problem and in many ways still is.

[@fatimah9202]

Jazaa kAllahu khairah. So interesting. May Allah bless this truly humble professor.

[@abdiadan4837]

Very great & a wise scholarly lady that is teaching people her great knowlege to benefit humanity for progress and leave in peace hamony dignity everywhere in the world, thanks to these lady proffza giving back to the human family,

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Ameen

[@ta7342]

Great interview, thanks Diana Darke for sharing your knowlege.

[@kemalberhan8438]

Hats off professor !! Very Mesmerizing story !!

[@lukesole7203]

Jalal is so enjoying this conversation 🎉🎉🎉😊❤

[@dervaishkhanofficial]

Amazing. This lady speaks out a whole book whenever the interviewer puts a question before her. May Allah bless her with everything good. ❤🤲

[@ourcommonbeliefs]

This was such an extremely beneficial program. I learned so much! I will share it with many!

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Alhamdullilah

[@ViventoLu]

One of the best channels so far on YT!! Absolutely fascinating talks, always informative conversations, I learn something new every time. BarakAllahu feekum the whole team behind this channel!

[@asiffarooqui6789]

As a design student back in the 90's it was patently obvious that William Morris' work was definitely influenced by Islamic art. That was even without looking in to his inspiration. So nice to hear that Diana Darke confirmed that. The interviewer also wen to my university :)

[@melchizedek6279]

Wow. This sounds amazing! I need an hour to watch. Thank you. Sadly, most Western Non-Muslims don’t even realize the breadth and scope of Islam’s contribution to Western Civilization on the physical, mental, and spiritual levels before the horror of Tamurlane.

[@snakejuce]

Absolutely brothaman

[@jobinxd]

Probably because there wasn't one. And don't even try to argue that the Iberian Union, Ottoman Empire and blah blah blah because we should know that Western civilization had already been fully conceptualized and developed since the Greeks and Romans. So, shut up because you don't know shit. Not even if it's an Island, the West and shit. You're probably one of those people who don't know the divergence between Western-current (economic) and Western-ancient (cultural and anti-modernism)

[@montisiddique8010]

Temirlan made military conquests, but he supported science and particularly architecture. Even it is not Genghis khan was horror for the Muslim world, all his grandsons ruling Muslim lands converted to Islam and assimilated with local people. What made real horror and destruction is western liberal ideology which took the minds of Muslims. As Brzezinsky said “we won cultural war”, as after that people voluntarily gave up all the rest their faith, families, land whatever.

[@s-a6202]

And neither do most Muslims unfortunately

[@melchizedek6279]

@ I have wondered why that is more often than not true. Probably mostly due to the absence of historical knowledge or the personal zeal for knowledge since one doesn’t have to be traditionally educated. It’s very true for most “Christians” from my own experience.

[@Karakulak1071]

I just ordered her last book, it's arriving in 2 days, my dream is to go to Damascus this year. I have a Syrian refugee friend in Gaziantep, I have already mentioned the idea

[@larabraver]

May God Allah keep you!

[@cavaliercal594]

Diana Darke a read your book "stealing from the Saracen". Brilliant for architects and historians

[@anklebreaka03]

I'm so excited to listen to this. Thank you for this great content

[@_7-8-6_]

Her book "Stealing from the Saracens" speaks volumes on who influenced whom

[@SaadFuture]

Another fantastic episode Jalal!

[@السرطاوي-د9ب]

Thank you both for this presention.

[@realist2020]

Subhanallah, where was this sister before, she is amazing, logical, wise, smart, rational with truth, facts, integrity and sound reasoning. Excellent. So pleasant to listen to, beautiful knowledge, Alhamdulilah

[@ladanomar9677]

The promo is amazing. Got my attention immediately ❤

[@Im_ed1]

Wow such a knowledgeable person and easy to listen to

[@Xirsiev]

This madam is one of the Western intellectuals who die speaking the truth, a free-thinking orientalist. GOD bless her,

[@RangeGleasry]

Succccchhhhh a good dialogue Mashallah may Allah protect and guide you all Ameen

[@peacenow6618]

May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!

[@Zizoosworld]

What a brilliant discussion.

[@saarahkhalid3328]

It’s amazing, for years I have been telling my friends and family that Muslims had an influence in these buildings but they all laughed and thought I was being biased, finally proof exists 😂 can’t wait to tell them all about this book 🎉

[@metrotmobile6368]

Thanks Dr Dain Darke

[@Tigerlilly5555]

Brilliant! I've watched quite a few videos by this lovely lady about Islamic history and it really opened up my eyes. I have no doubt that many Muslims like myself had no idea about this very important Islamic history. Hopefully they'll take their time to learn about the amazing contribution to humanity Muslims have done throughout their existence, but especially during their 8 Century of Spanish rule. There are few good videos by a Professor Cassandra (I think that's his name), he lectured history in Austin school in US. including a video about Khalid Ibn Walid. These videos are few years old now, but my mind was blown to learn just how much Muslims did invent during those years. Rich Europeans were sending their kids to places like Baghdad to get educated, but of course, once the Europeans got hold of this knowledge, they not only adopted it, but accredited themselves for it all, changed the Muslim names to something else so no one would be wiser. It's truly shameful, but truth has a way of revealing itself sooner or later and these days, people are becoming more learned and aware of these things.

[@ubaidakaukabashraf6022]

So true I’ve known for a while how all of the discoveries made by the Muslims were taken by the western civilisation as theirs they were living with no electricity when the Arab world was in light well things have a way of coming to surface as are many things how they’re in the Middle East trying to stop the ummah from uniting but what is meant to be WILL BE!!!!

[@cozmikwan2216]

A conversation you wish can go on for hours. Thanks for a great one.

[@samykingson5427]

beautiful interview .dr diana darke making wonderful effort in her books and lectures .

[@rafathalam5245]

nice interview of Ms.Diana Darke, going through her book " stealing from the saracens . Will also read Ms.Diana book " The Ottamans ".... we now look forward for her future book " Damascus " ** very nice to hear that Ms.Diana bought a house in Damascus

[@lukesole7203]

The skills of craftsmen that built churches n cathedrals disappear after 13 century in the west. Stone mason masters were highly sought after. Knowledge of golden ratio was key in pyramids. Thanku for podcast n guest.

[@ابراهيممصطفى-ل6م]

thank you Diana you're wonderful woman ❤❤🎉

[@abuzuhm]

Stealing from the Saracens was awesome. This interview was great in that I had no idea Darke had written all of these other interesting works.

[@RosewiththornsRWT]

Asalamalaikum from New Jersey 🇺🇸 This was fascinating for me, a lover of both history and art/architecture AND especially Islamic history and art/architecture. Thank you. May Allah reward you.

[@dawudqadri7295]

Amazing talk on the cultural and intellectual exchange between the civilisations of the wider 'old world'.

[@AmazingMop]

Nice thank you , jazakom Allahu Khair

[@realist2020]

The honesty and facts Diana darke, fantastic

[@mirali3405]

Great discussion!

[@blususpect]

amazing discussion

[@Unida205]

New subscriber from Morocco wow amazing content ❤

[@hanaishak179]

a brilliant episode! will buy the book and start to train my eyes when going to the places mentioned ✨💐

[@maryamumair1910]

@thethinkingmuslim. This is a very interesting interview, thank you. There is a lot of visual explanation, it would be better if you add split screen with the pictures (may be from her book) to show exactly what she meant. A map of all beautiful places where islamesque style are featured would be helpful as well. Keep Up the good work Br Jalal.

[@nurunnessabaksh3208]

Thank you for the enlightenment .

[@awaisi5634]

Amazing work Thanks for sharing ❤

[@AbduTun]

This is an amazing talk. It just lacks some illustrations of the various monuments and shapes and patterns she is talking about. It would render the video clearer and much more enjoyable.

[@fluhasipi4940]

Fascinating! I’d love to see a photo of her house in Damask… islamesque, I like it!

[@sarajabeen1965]

Really interesting talk

[@mariamdaisy1719]

Diana is a very broadminded and intelligent person 😊❤

[@shahidarazak1134]

Thank you very much doctor , it has been pleasure to listen this podcast. You have depth knowledge of Islamic architecture. I learned so much from you.

[@DawahDigital]

So interesting. The “Norman” architecture which was bought to Europe from the Middle East saw its materialisation after the crusades. What I find interesting is how the Norman’s stylised themselves as Knights of the Cross (Templars) and became a secret organisation known as the Freemasons who pride themselves on having the secrets to building the most admired buildings in Europe. That “secret knowledge” came from the Middle East. Excellent podcast as always!

[@KenanTurkiye]

Currently, all across the geography known as europe, there are over 5000 stone inscriptions which can only be deciphered by ancient Turk language, and by no other language/s. These stone inscriptions are located all across west, north, central and east europe. The people we known in modernity as 'european' are actually people who came from around where India is. Scientists suggest that the migration of people into north america and from there to central and south america occured not only thru the Bearing Bridge (when the strait was a land mass), but also with sea vessels from the shores of what we now know as France into north americas since past 40,000 years much before the ''europeans'' came from around India. The aboriginal people of the reigions we currently know as europe and asia, that is eurasia were the ancestors of modern day Turks (''Turks'' not only as in the inhabitants of Turkish Republic, but all other Turk people across vast geography). The people we know as ''european'' are late comers into the region, killing off and assimilating the local populations. For example the governments of Sweden even until the 1980's, (yes 1980's not 1880's) had a state policy to forcible have indegineous female population surgically mutilated so not to be able to get pregnant, preventing the indegineous population to protect it self. The Roman Empire are took most of it's sciences, arts and state governnance laws from the Etrcuscans, who even the modern day europeans admit are people akin with the central asian people, basically they are camoflaging the fact that they are one of the ancestors of modern day Turks. Likewise many other indegineous populations of what is now know as eurasia are actually ancestors of Turks and when comparing and studying the languages we find the connection. Certainly they did not speak ''modern Turkish'' as spoken in the Republic of Turkiye, but you can clearly see the language evolving into what it has become. Of course to know all this one needs to steer away from ''his-story'' and dewelve in 'history''. Best wishes.

[@melchizedek6279]

It’s a real shame that the Berlin Pergamon is currently closed long term for renovations (but those are needed). What this phenomenal guest describes and articulates so beautifully is exactly what I felt and thought when I visited in 2007. Absolute wonder . And I knew then that my elite American education was so lacking. It felt as if I was lied to. And it turned out I was.

[@MariaCardoso-cp9nd]

Lovely tone in the fluency of the explanation. Maybe a fair complement would be about the History of Mathematics , the Pytagorean theorema never made it in Greek language to later times..the Arab translations, and from Indian for example by M.ibn Musa al-Khwarzmi , the system including zero that upgraded algebra, aplied maths, trigonometry, astronomy..and so much more ! For the nice coments posted a book sugestion for context:The Silk Roads-a new History of the World(2015, the 1st volume) , chapter 5, by P.Frankopan .

[@melchizedek6279]

@MariaCardoso-cp9nd THANK YOU for the book recommendation. Right up my alley!

[@TimB76]

Well done 👍

[@georgianageorgiana5879]

Love this ❤ thank you❤️

[@CocoLov2023]

🙏🏻THX so much for this wonderfull talk👌🏻I learned a lot🙏🏻 The whole🌏has to know this👌🏻🙏🏻🌹

[@azizdridah9467]

Allah will not forget your testimony!

[@بلادالعربأوطاني-ه4ظ]

Beautiful ❤

[@samianiamatullah2846]

Very interesting!

[@BechirBen-z7z]

Thanks dr diana

[@growthandunderstanding]

No one states that the Renaissance was totally based on Muslim advancements in music, mathematics, art, poetry, and science!

[@abualis1178]

شكرا

[@Asad-2166]

Some pictures would have been nice with her descriptions of things 🤷

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Good idea. She has pictures in her book: Islamesque

[@AlbazMo]

More people of Western World 🌎 Should see this!

[@mahmoodnoor5250]

سبحان الله , الحضارات الانسانية عبر التاريخ كانت متلاقحة . تبني على ابداعات سابقاتها . الحروب والعنصريات الشيطانية كانت ولا زالت تهدم هذه القاعدة الانسانية . السيدة ديانا عسى الله يحفظها انارت لي شخصيا جمالية الحضارات المتلاقحة بتواريخها بين العالمين الاسلامي والغربي . استمتعت وكلي شكر لصاحب القناة عسى الله يحفظه . تحية لكما من سلطنة عمان

[@AntiZiocrusader]

كيهودي أقولك العنصرية بدأت من عندهم....العرب تقبلوا الجميع بصدر رحب.

[@ingvarahlekristenssen6721]

Well these books are on its way to my post box. My House in Damascus The Ottomans

[@redinarasha3229]

Oh my God... zigzag for water! What a discovery... genius! No AI or high tech.. can succeed the intellect of a beautiful human being❤

[@sarahkhan8859]

Wonderful!

[@deanjackson2102]

there's definitely some kind of connection between islam and christianity

[@flashnfantasy]

Yes, islam was once far ahead in nearly every aspect. But past greatness is no yardstick for the present.

[@anuarabu3166]

interesting sharing.

[@amirabile6338]

Very interesting

[@magentaorchids]

The spring board for the renaissance was Islamesque 😊 Truth recognized by few Europeans unfortunately But the evidence never lies and truth cannot be kept in the dark forever

[@peacenow6618]

جزاک اللہ خیرا

[@السرطاوي-د9ب]

I laughed when she talked about the clergy wearing muslim textiles written on them with arabic Kufic calligrahy since it is the handwriting of Jesus peace be upon him. By the way i am an arabic calligrapher and today's subject is really within my own realm

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Calligraphy is fascinating!

[@lemrabottcheikhboukhari2130]

Thank you telling the truth about islamic civilization

[@السرطاوي-د9ب]

Very illuminating conversation. Just in case the Dr. Is reading this, wonder if she noticed the integration of the so called David star in the islamic ornamintations on mosques and other buildings.

[@1972543]

I will look for her book

[@rezwanarahman4978]

Have a look around the earth everywhere Allāh's creations made in noble pairs We have each other as a garment to wear Protection and comfort and burdens to bear So how can we be oh-so-blind To this wonderful world and its beautiful signs

[@kardew973]

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[@larabraver]

Wonderful, thanks for sharing this!

[@EngAbuSaid]

Great

[@OwaisP]

If you loved this, look up the videos of Dr. Roy Casagranda. You will be equally mesmerized. His talks on The Rise of Islam and How Islam Saved Western Civilization are exceptional.

[@lmessay-jh6xz]

Brother jalal, can u please do a podcast with rabbi haim sofer. He knowledge of Judeo-islamic history is fascinating. P.S, he's the rabbi who says he wants a true islamic caliphate again😂

[@Bearded_Abdul]

That's a Muslim in denial. May Allah SwT guide him to the straight path of Islam.

[@JerusnamWien85]

14:41 same with the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. The builders were Syrian Christians and the design is reminiscent of Byzantine church design at the time. Other examples of the octagonal design are Chora in Constantinople/Istanbul, and San Vitale in Ravenna, Italy. The Umayyad architects truly blended Islamic and Christian elements together.

[@kfork814]

Yes

[@TheMaitreya777]

It was Persian culture that influenced Islamic culture!

[@AntiZiocrusader]

Where was Persia during Babylon and Ancient Egypt.

[@OH-uo3nq]

Save Gaza

[@Asad-2166]

What do you think is happening right now 🤔

[@NoahLinden]

Hello my good man.

[@metalhamster14]

Interesting