Pfaff 145 vs Juki 563 Industrial Walking Foot Sewing Machine Shootout Comparison of two triple feed

Pfaff 145 H4 high lift vs. Juki LU-563 torture test shootout for control, and how thick can they sew? How many layers of leather can these triple feed / compound feed sewing machines sew through? Follow along as Willie Sandry the Thoughtful Woodworker / Thoughtful Upholsterer tests each machine with a variety of situations using chrome tanned upholstery leather and veg tanned leather backed with cork. Which machine will prevail in this head to head test? Watch and find out!
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[@fishfuxors]

I don't sew leather as part of my job but my Pfaff 145 sews everything I need it to. We don't even own Jukis anymore.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Thanks for weighing in. I like them both for different reasons. Best to you.

[@sharondow5459]

Getting my first walking foot juki 563 (no reverse) today, so excited. It old but ill make it pretty ;-)

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Wow, that's rare to find a 563 without reverse. Must have been a specialty factory machine. Have fun with it.

[@sewingjunky]

Are you liking your new Juki I am thinking about one. 😊

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

The Juki LU-563 is my regular machine. Love the top loading bobbin, and huge U style bobbin capacity. I converted it to use a 190 needle system (by raising the needle bar slightly) and it will sew thick leather with ease. You will love it. @@sewingjunky

[@davidbell4986]

You won't go wrong with either of these machines. I'm prefer the Juki but that's just me. If I remember right, a 562 is a 563 with a smaller bobin.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

You are correct, the 562 has a standard G bobbin, and the 563 uses an enormous U style bobbin.

[@gergemall]

Thank you I bought a few machines from an upholstery shop here in St. Louis ,Missouri. I so do appreciate your help and valuable videos . I also picked up a Juki DL 555 . Has an oil cooler. 😊😊😊😊😊Beautiful stitching.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

A few machines? Wow you go Jon! Sounds like you have lots of projects in your future.

[@chryskramer]

I’m partial to the Pfaff (because I already own one)

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Hi Chrys, yes I think it's true we like what we're familiar with. I'm that way too. Whatever machine I sewed my last three projects on becomes my new favorite. Best

[@Zan_zelee]

just got my LU 563: think i’ll side with Juki lol 😂

[@Farmfield]

The Juki is a Singer 111 clone, an absolutely brilliant design, and Juki put their own spin on small stuff like the step height adjustment making it even better. The 563 is the best Singer 111 money can buy, though the Singer 111G256 is basically identical. 😁 And I personally prefer the belt driven Singer 111/Juki 562/563 and Adler 67/167 before the cog-driven Pfaff 145/545 - but that's just taste. They are all very high end machines, the rest is just personal preference. Though I would propose it's reasonable to chose a big bobbin machine over a small bobbin, so Juki 563 over a Pfaff 145 and Pfaff 545 over a Juki 562, in my opinion.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

You make a good point on bobbin size. Bigger usually wins. Also the Pfaff foot lift spring feels sooo stiff. The Consew and Juki machines feel more natural in that regard. Thanks

[@Farmfield]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I bought and sold industrial sewing machines, and I've done a ton of research into the history of this stuff. Its really fun. And as you bring up Consew; The pre-RB series Consew models are also Singer 111 clones and they were made by Seiko (or rather, their subcontractor) from the Singer licensensed molds Seiko had access too. And Seiko also still makes their 211 clone from their originally licensed Singer molds... The Consew RB series are also interesting. Juki bought the company that built them for Consew (who then moved their production to Taiwan and later on, China); but that design and it's the foundation for the current Juki 1541... I've had a Juki 541 once, it's identical to a Consew RB-3, built from the same molds in the same factory. Man, these companies licensened their designs, bought eachother, as well as ripped off eachothers designs - in all directions, it's absolutely fascinating.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

You're right the history is fascinating. I've had the Seiko version of the 206RB and it's a nice machine. I notice a difference in the noise of the 206RB line, depending on where they were built. The early Japanese models truly sound like a well oiled machine. Once they started painting them white, and eventually moved production to China they are noisier. Thanks for your insights. Best to you.

[@jimmyloe7780]

Looking for good reliable zig zag for sail making. Any sugestions? Thanks.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Consew 199 if you can find one. Or if you don't need a walking foot, Sailrite might work.

[@darknessfierce4209]

Reliable 2500 canadian conpany Reasonable price industrial zigzag good machine, fast

[@davidbell4986]

I can't remember the model numbers because it's been so long. I used to modify zig zags for sewing braided rugs. There may be something new out, but Yamato made a great zig zag about 25 years ago. Singer made a decent one, but I'm not talking about the one that was tried in blue. It was a pure industrial and black in color. These are old machines that can still be found and easy to find parts for. I mention these because they have all the attributes for sail making.

[@davidbell4986]

I got curious and checked the big bay auction site. I am probably too late, but they have a Singer 143 for.$300.00. Checked the pics and it's complete and appears to be in excellent condition. Do not buy a Singer 20u.

[@gmcxm211]

with that thickness of leather, you have to keep your speed down, the needle heats up and burns thread. With no thread just run a pass quickly then feel the needle. be surprised how fast they heat up.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Agreed. Slow is usually good for me.

[@qcrafted]

grate video thanks for sharing!

[@Max-ye9xg]

I wish your camera was more over so I could see you operating the controls and not a bunch of the table thank you

[@greggeorgi5706]

thanks for this video.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

You bet! Thanks for checking it out.

[@azsamsasho]

I love these videos

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Thanks for letting me know! Appreciate you. Best

[@artebeautycraft]

😊😊what do you think about Yuki 5490? It’s strange..I can’t find any review..🧐🧐🧐

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Pretty nice needle feed lockstitch machine. Not a walking foot, so it would be good for light to medium weight fabric up to home dec. or medium upholstry fabric. I wouldn't try to sew leather with it. Good luck with your decision!

[@artebeautycraft]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker thank you for the answer! You're so kind. I have a last question...what do you think about the Adler Durkopp 212 and Adler Durkopp 272?? I can buy them for about 300/400 dollars.(each) .which one do you prefer ?

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

I personally wouldn't go for either. The 212 is just a basic lightweight garment machine. The 272 adds some features (depending on sub model), but also a very old machine. I feel like you'd be better off with a Juki DDL if all you need to sew is light to medium weight fabric. Good luck! @@artebeautycraft

[@artebeautycraft]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker thank you 🙂🙂🙂

[@artebeautycraft]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker you have right but I Need a Sewing machine for many layers of jeans with many "steps"! I have other machines for light/medium fabrics. I think that a walking foot machine Is perfect for me..I'm going to look for something like a Yuki LU 563... But it's hard to find...🤔🤔thank you for your advices and support

[@dannyl2598]

Thank you. Great video. Would you be able to tell me what the 706/47 indicates on my Pfaff 1245? Thank again.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

I believe it's just a sub model number of the 1245. Most 1245 machines are 706/47 high lift, 190 needle system, large M style bobbin. Great machine.

[@khanscombe619]

Can Pfaff 545 be set up w/ a speed reducer for slow control leather vinyl? If only 1 machine for now, can it be a multi task machine for medium fabrics as well.? Draperies & coverings? I started lite w/ a consumer Pfaff 362 and love it but don't wanna put stress on it.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Yes you can put a speed reducer on a Pfaff 545. Or servo motor + speed reducer. It will sew medium to heavy weight material like jeans, upholstery fabric, leather and vinyl up to 3/8" compressed thickness. Maybe a little more with a H4 model. It won't do a good job on very thin cotton like T-shirt material or silk, but other than that they're pretty versatile machines. Best to you.

[@joannewilsonoreilly7858]

Would you be able to show how to take out the bobbin casing? Something was jammed and the only way I can explain it is that the screws on the bobbin that gets adjusted to change the bobbin tension, are covered. No it seems to be stuck in a position covered by another part of the case. And I cant figure out how to go about taking it apart to put it back where it should be.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

On the Juki 563 there are three small screws that hold a semicircular gib. That's what holds the bobbin case in. The Juki 562 only has 2 screws. Often it's just a small piece of thread tangled under the bobbin case. You'll need a good quality small flat screwdriver. Good luck!

[@debraclogston9379]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Thread locks are my nemesis!

[@mikes8839]

Any one know what kind foot is it?

[@marcin1564]

What type of serwo motor you have?

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

It's a New Tech 550w servo motor. The same basic motor is sold under several trade names including Family, Rex, Consew, Eagle and others. Basically it's a plain analog servo motor with single speed limiter knob. There are fancier digital servos, but I like the simple ones. Best

[@jayescreations489]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker do you have a viedo on how to change over clutch to servo and belt size needed?

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

@@jayescreations489 here you go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqnCo4Zve9-pnNE Usually I install a small motor pulley, in which case you typically need a 38" or 39" belt depending on the machine. Best

[@carlosromero5903]

Buena makina que presio tiene la juki ?

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Good pressure on the Juki. Not as stiff as a Pfaff. The Juki is easy to sew on. Thank you

[@chamoua2055]

How much the price?

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Well, they don't make either of these machines, so the price is whatever you can find locally. Thank you.

[@FriendsPride]

Juki 563 or juki 1181?\

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

The 1181 is a double feed walking foot machine. It's capable of very long 9mm stitch length, and produces a nice looking topstitch. I'd still take the 563 because of the triple feed walking foot. You get the feed dogs, walking foot, and needle feed on the 563. Best to you.

[@FriendsPride]

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker thank you

[@ridhastd5008]

salut c ridha de tunisie je suis un technicien de maintenance du machine de cuir tu peux m'aider de trouver un job dans le secteur du cuir chez vous

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

I'm sorry, I don't have a leather business. I just do upholstery for fun. Thanks

[@jamescole3152]

So a walking needle.

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

Yep, both are walking foot + needle feed. Triple feed. Thanks

[@kd9856]

comparing a hundred year old design to a 20 year old design is then???????????????

[@TheThoughtfulWoodworker]

The Juki has been around 30 years or so. I feel it's a valid comparison because they're both upholstery class triple feed walking foot machines commonly available on the used market. Thanks.