People Are Really Mad About The New Superman Show

[@oh_god_dammit]

"The best comic book love interests are Lois Lane and Mary Jane Watson for the specific reason that they're both fundamentally insane people" - Twitter person

[@NyJoanzy]

I don't even disagree.

[@mr.goblin6039]

And they’re 100% correct. Lois Lane and MJ being kinda nuts is why they’re so beloved.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

and what is Ivy, chopped onions? JK she's just fundamentally correct. do eco terrorism

[@Regenmacher175]

They live adventurous (and hence dangerous) lives. Lois' recklessness specifically, among others, translates into her passion for her work as a journalist and her strong moral convictions.

[@chrisanderson7820]

I like Lois Lane as a character even if she does some ridiculous things, she's got her own logic going on which makes sense in its own way and she LOVES Clark, MJ is just a self absorbed asshole with no sympathy, can't stand her, always seems as though she's got that "sigh, why did I marry you" thing going on.

[@TyranusRex721]

I would like to point out that, in the previous episode, Lois reveals to Clark that she hates her father because he always lied to her. It caused her to develop trust issues. I can see why she got pissed when, this guy she totally likes, turns out that he has been lying to her since the day they met. Clark is in the right for wanting to protect him identity and secrets and Lois in correct in how she feels due to her past. I do want to say I hate this trope, but I understand why they did it here. It makes sense for the characterization they have developed for Lois and Clark.

[@dannydoo8717]

Honestly, the scene only fits this trope in the broadest sense possible. With the characterizations they set up, there was no reason for them not to act this way

[@ohbabybaby4087]

​@@TurtleChad1thank god it is woke

[@mr.goblin6039]

It’s also a trope that they LITERALLY pioneered. This whole trope started with Lois and Clark. If ANYONE gets to do it, it’s them.

[@thedarkone246]

Came here litterly to say this. The conflict may feel a bit forced, but its understandable, and reasonable. Plus given their history, its probably a conflict that will meet a good resolution. The real test of strength for this show will be that resolution.

[@ravenblood1954]

I’d also like to point out that she’s mad at her father specifically because he lied to her about how sick her mom was. She didn’t like how he kept pretending like everything was fine, putting on a brave face, only to blindside her with the sudden death of her loved one and the reality of the serious debt they were under. I think it’s not really just the lying that literally drove her over the edge, it’s the fact that he was obviously HURT and was LYING ABOUT IT, that made her angry. Remember that she was quite sure Clark was Superman for the whole episode but only really got angry when he showed up to her wounded and lied about it, that’s what triggered her

[@biske85]

The context for her getting mad is way different than Amber in Invincible. When Invincible told Amber, she was like "I know" and got super mad at him when she knew he was "leaving" to save people in events where even she was in danger and she could clearly see him saving people and returning, and it contradicts other occasions where if she really would have known since then, well, a lot of stuff just makes no sense. In My Adventures With Superman, they show the moment Lois figures out Clark is Superman, and spends a good chunk of the episode trying to get Clark to confess, confronting him as both Clark and as Superman, even putting herself in danger by handcuffing herself to Superman, and he still won't fess up. She even calls him Clark as he's flying away afterwards, and when he returns all injured after a fight (where he takes an alternate route to her, since he left her on a roof) as Clark, she's concerned about his well-being because he's all obviously injured, and as she's expressing concern over him and very obviously not caring that he is, in fact, Superman, he says it was just a shaving accident (on the back of his neck) and she gets mad that he's keeping the charade up when she's clearly worried about him. He keeps denying he's Superman over and over in spite of everything, and gets mad that he only confessed after she jumped off the roof and couldn't deny it anymore. It's nothing like the Amber scene. Clark then explains that he didn't want to tell her because she said she was going to reveal all of Superman's secrets in a previous episode where he was about to confess he was Superman to her, which, fair, but she's hurt because she's like "Well, I mean, I wouldn't have if I had known it was you at the time" (in like, a sad tone, not being mad about it).

[@Regenmacher175]

Yeah, he continuously avoids having to admit the truth when it is obvious to her who he actually is and she just wants him to finally come out and say it. If someone in your life came home full of bruises and you pieced together the reasons behind it and they still denied that anything bad happened to them at all would you not get angry at some point, especially if the other person's lies are getting flimsier by the second? He obviously explains why he does not reveal his identity to her and it might be legit in his mind but a) she does not care about the danger at all and b) he fails to realise that she hopes he confirms to her that he's not the same type of person her father is.

[@dreamcanvas5321]

Yeah, this was consistent with my interpretation too. Clark hasn't understood that Lois is genuinely concerned for and engaged in considering his safety, because while she isn't superhuman, she is courageous and determined to fight for those she cares about. Her realizing his identity hasn't negated her concerns, she's now worried about Clark (as Superman) getting himself hurt or even killed.

[@johnjordan211]

Anyone who defends secret identities is a clown

[@vexedlex8230]

Yeah, Amber was psychotic. She knew Mark had stayed to help save people in that university incident and then she harangued him for being a coward and running away just because she knew that even though he wasn't running away, he couldn't defend himself. In the comics where she doesn't know, it's a reasonable, if unfortunate, outburst. In the show where she does know, it's the most psychotic, emotionally abusive shit I ever did see.

[@bravo561]

@@vexedlex8230They wanted to make her “smarter” in the show so it’s a twist that she knows but it doesn’t work AT ALL.

[@lonniegabbie]

Lois has issues with her father being a liar and keeping secrets. He lied about her mom getting as sick as she really was and then her mom died. She is very much projecting this trauma onto her potential boyfriend being possibly similar to her father. This doesn’t make Lois 100% correct but it explains how she acted.

[@nohbuddy1]

It isn't bad. People are stupid and haven't watched the show. The episode ends with Jimmy, Lois, and Clark all distrusting one anothet and obviously they're come back together by the end of the season. Almost like they will have character growth. Shocking.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

I very much liked it. I thought it was sweet and genuine and the writers very clearly understood Superman.

[@TyranusRex721]

Character growth?! In my media?! I demand my characters are perfect at all times! (I will totally not call the story boring for having no character growth, btw)

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

​@@TyranusRex721And when they are perfect and never do mistakes then we will claim how Mary Sues they are!

[@falconeshield]

@@ExtremeMadnessX To be fair isn't that what a sue is?

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

@@falconeshield There's really no such thing as a mary sue. (If there was, Batman would potentially be the biggest to exist, lol.) Fiction is supposed to be escapism, so of course fictional characters are sometimes more "perfect" than people irl. The secret to enjoying things more, and writing better stories tbh, is knowing that's okay. Not everything has to be realistic, it just has to fit the story the writer is trying to tell.

[@MrRizeAG]

There is some missing context here. In a previous episode, Lois gets caught lying to Clark, and he gets really upset about it. In this episode, she's the one getting mad, and it's highlighting his hypocrisy (which will presumably be discussed next episode). The show is pretty serialized, so not every episode is meant to be taken standalone.

[@NottherealLucifer]

Irrelevant. The Superman lie is one that is 100% necessary, it can't be compared to other lies. It's not hypocrisy.

[@goodpol5022]

There is a massive difference here. In the scenario where she lied, she almost got him fired to get her story. When he lied, he was doing it to protect himself from becoming a government lab-rat

[@ZHike360]

True

[@MrRizeAG]

@@NottherealLucifer Not really. Lois isn't in any additional danger by knowing who Superman is. She already has zero regard for her own life if it's in the pursuit of a story. That's her defining character trait across almost all iterations in comics and adaptations. She is the one superhero loved one you CAN'T use the "I'm protecting you" excuse on.

[@almightypush4170]

@@MrRizeAGThe problem is it isn’t about her in this situation. It’s about his safety. So far in the story Superman is the only naturally super-powered person on earth. Which means he is a solid target for the things like military super-soldier experiments. We already see Clark being hunted by the government (for separate reasons). Now imagine your in Clark’s situation and the girl you’ve been working with for about a month has straight up told you that she wants to “expose Superman”. Would that not terrify you? Should he really be expected to gives his most private secret to someone he knew for such a short time? To someone who “hates” Superman and wants to show the world who he is? It’s a problem of Lois being so offended that he didn’t trust her that she doesn’t show any empathy towards his situation and why he might not want to. Also in the case of Lois lying it was a lot worse because her lie’s actually put his career and life at risk while his lie was kind of just him protecting his own business.

[@Syncopiia]

As far as I can tell, being honest is a major growing through-line in the show. It's weird that people are acting like this isn't going to come back around. Even from the first episode Lois and Clark are going back and forth about the need to tell the truth to each other. People are just burned by Amber from Invincible and assuming this won't be reconciled in the next few episodes.

[@Regenmacher175]

The preview for the next episode shows both Lois and Clark working things out as they are trying to rescue Jimmy together. People have forgotten how storytelling works in terms of set-up and payoff. This just gets past the whole secret identity BS early in the show.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

​@@Regenmacher175People don't have patience for waiting next episode before immediately trashing characters because they did something wrong or irrational...

[@Regenmacher175]

@@ExtremeMadnessX Well that's why I'm the reasonable gigachad.

[@falconeshield]

@@ExtremeMadnessX Excuse me do you want to function in society? Then watch a whole show first before judging it

[@wolf123450]

Like seriously, this happens in episode 5 which is the latest episode, there's no way this isn't resolved by the next episode let alone the end of the season

[@roachofdoom1234]

The bigger problem with Amber was that when Mark revealed to her that he’s Invincible she said that she already knew he was and that she had figured it out weeks prior. Except this shows she was also lying because she kept getting mad at him for him being late for things or not there when she knew full well why that was. Like she got mad at mark for supposedly running away when the mutant cyborg attacks the college even though she knew that he was actually there in the blue and yellow suit fighting it. And then after everything with Omni Man amber comes back to Mark because he’s vulnerable now and tells him “looks like I wasn’t the only one being lied to” no apology not even for what happened with Omni man. She was a whole lot worse than just mean about mark keeping a secret

[@longlivethesheet4561]

Wait, really? I’ve been hearing nonstop adoration for it

[@oh_god_dammit]

It's pretty good, people just took this scene out of context. Lois figured out Clark's identity and tried to signal to him that it was OK to tell her. Lois got fed up with him continuing to lie to her, especially since he got on her case for lying in one of the first episodes

[@Shellos404]

Right? I haven’t seen much complaining. In the beginning, before the first episode drop, people did. A small amount complaining about the art and Jimmy’s race swap. But this surprises me.

[@oh_god_dammit]

​@@Shellos404bro the complaints seem completely confined to Twitter. Even KZbin Shorts of the scene have people being completely understanding of both Lois and Clark

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

I honestly very much like it. I was expecting not to, but the writers very, very clearly understand what makes Superman interesting. He's a sweet, intelligent dude who is doing the best he can. I very much like this version of Superman. I very much like that Lois figures it out rather quickly, too.

[@Shellos404]

@@oh_god_dammitNot surprise that this is coming from Twitter. I personally like the approach the writer did in the latest episodes.

[@luci_ix5181]

The real problem with the invincible one was the fact amber said SHE KNEW THE ENTIRE TIME. At least Louis just found out and is mad but amber fucking knew the entire time she knew the pain and torture he went through to protect the people he loved and still fucking acted that way

[@Vynzent]

Exactly

[@grutsthefoodman3645]

She knew half way through but yeah u rite

[@pimentx3253]

Yeah I really disliked that. She knew it for a while, and she gets mad because he doesn't confide to her even though they were dating for what... 2 months? Even though he had to do it to save those people, and didn't runaway at all. This is just bad writing and makes her completely unreasonable. Also it really doesn't convey that she knew for weeks, one moment she acts like he ranway and then the other she just knew. Either way it's just poorly executed.

[@cormano64]

I love Louis and Clark, what a progressive couple.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

I'm gonna be a weirdo and say that I very much like it. Superman became fascinating to me about 20 years ago, but for all of the 'wrong' reasons. I always considered superman boring and dull, because his power can resolve any situation. Then, it was pointed out to me... Superman's biggest super power is that he's Clark Kent. A mild-mannered news reporter who is kind and gentle and nice. *THAT* is what gives Superman his power. Not his strength or invincibility. *HE WAS RAISED BY KIND AND GENTLE PEOPLE!!!* His superpower is that he's a sweet dude *DESPITE* having world crushing, empire conquering power.

[@lordopotamus9109]

Superman was never at his best fighting big and terrible monsters, any big dumb musclehead with too much power could do that. Superman is at his best when he's fighting big and terrible IDEAS, because you can't just punch them to make it go away.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

That is what James Gunn wants to do with his Superman reboot film as opposed to Zack Snyder making Superman a brooding edge lord

[@robertborland5083]

I absolutely agree. My Adventures With Superman (and Superman & Lois for folks who may not have seen it and would like a similar recommendation) really seem to "get" the character of Superman.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 Or, as others phrased it... "A libertarian Jesus who looks extremely annoyed that he might help people."

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 Weirdly, that's not Henry Cavill's fault. I think he did just fine as the actor under a bad director. Cavill was a fine Superman given very bad cues. Although, having said that, I actually enjoyed the preposterously long 4 hour Justice League movie.

[@thedarknight307]

Nearly every time clark revealed the truth to Lois she got angry It’s totally in character because she hates liars. Her plan to jump off the building is also copied from the Margot Kidder Lois who did the same thing to prove he was Superman

[@nullobjecttype]

Although that version of superman does some hilarious ass moves to both save her and keep his secret lmao

[@thedarknight307]

@@nullobjecttype yes but Reeve Superman knew how to better use his powers compared to This Superman who is still understanding them. He is also far younger

[@nullobjecttype]

@@thedarknight307 ik. Just thought it looked kinda goofy the way he did it on screen

[@AFlyingCoconut]

According to my biggest comic nerd friend, My Adventures With Superman is, in his words, "the 3rd best Superman media to come out in the last 20 years", and I have to agree with him, I love this show

[@GypsyScot1]

I wish we as a society could get to a point where we can disagree with choices a character makes *without* deciding that they're bad and we should hate them and the story sucks because of it.

[@Regenmacher175]

The reaction to the ending of GOT showed me that people hate it when characters they thought they knew could make morally repugnant choices in a believable way (and most of the decisions by the main characters made sense to me in terms of how they had been presented up until that point). People don't want complicated and messy, they want neat and tidy but that does not usually mean it's a great story they want.

[@psychopunk8817]

​@@Regenmacher175Dont compare the complete shitshow that was season 7 and 8 of GOT to this minor issue.

[@Regenmacher175]

@@psychopunk8817 I just did and I will continue to do so. The show had a good ending that most people didn't want.

[@psychopunk8817]

@@Regenmacher175 The actors didn't even like the ending. I respect your opinion but there's a reason that a majority of fans hated the wrap up and it wasn't because they were hysterical.

[@Regenmacher175]

@@psychopunk8817 I don't care what actors have to say. I care about what I have to say. Actually, I have never seen a dumber pop culture discourse up until then or since. People were THAT hysterical.

[@darkmetal2412]

Huh I didn't know people were so angry about it? In defense of Lois and by defense I mean an attack on Amber. Amber felt a thousand times more toxic. She be berating Mark for "abandoning" her at the first sight of danger even though she apparently knew he was a superhero all along. Like, IF YOU KNEW WHY ARE YOU GIVING HIM SHIT!? At least with Lois I get where she's coming from even though I might not really agree with her fully.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

And we are only on episode 5.

[@666FallenShadow]

yup, that's why i don't like amber, she feels very toxic and emotionally manipulative. it's true that mark was a bad boyfriend because he kept being late for their dates and making up lame excuses, but amber's reaction and behaviour after the reveal wasn't great.

[@falconeshield]

@@ExtremeMadnessX 50 years of waiting for THE reveal condensed in 5 episodes. I mean I'm not complaining.

[@fluffynator6222]

She literally had to do it. You think it wouldn't be suspicious otherwise?

[@darkmetal2412]

@@fluffynator6222 Really? Because she seems genuinely angry through

[@travishimebaugh8381]

How can this be a Superman show when he's not breaking anyone's neck?

[@greenbackjack768]

How am I supposed to know if Superman is powerful or not if there's no slow motion shots of him using his abilities, preferably in a way that parallels Jesus imagery? Is he even capable of doing anything if lesser peons don't bow before his godliness?

[@falconeshield]

Marthaaaaa

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

A chill Superman going trough casual adventures as a superhero and not being in a world ending fight with an overpowered alien 24/7? *What is this travesty!?*

[@Regenmacher175]

Every time Zod shows up he should be asking "why aren't you breaking my neck, Superman?"

[@arcturionblade1077]

Superman should always be T-posing to assert dominance.

[@lizuka8774]

Personally I'm absolutely loving this show so far.

[@falconeshield]

It's made by the same animation team behind Shera 2018, loving it so far

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

​@@falconeshieldSame animation team behind Avatar The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra actually. Studio Mir.

[@reddz7240]

I've only seen commercials so far but it looks adorable. And it's rated PG, so I think that's the appropriate word here lol.

[@falconeshield]

Oooooh so Studio Mir was involved! I'm glad they improved, wonder if was the same Shera team. No pointy chins like Voltron at least.

[@falconeshield]

@@reddz7240 There are 40 year olds who still need parental guidance and frankly that's a failure from their parents

[@bagelgrenade8332]

I'm going to laugh when in the next episode Lois comes back and is like "yeah that was crazy I'm sorry I put you in that position"

[@regulardude313]

I eagerly anticipate to observe the reactions from everyone who has been shitting on Lois, to see how fucking stupid they will feel, (on the off chance if this happens in the next episode).

[@falconeshield]

​@@regulardude313It's only 4 to 5 episodes so far. If its gonna be so fast paced the reconciliation is gonna be just as. So the complainers are either young or the fanboys never learn in 40+ years of existence to recognise story beats.

[@Regenmacher175]

@@falconeshield Why can it not be both? I've learned that fanboys only want the version of the character that's in their own head and many of them are too young to have gone through the entire History of the character of Lois lane to know that she throws herself off buildings for Superman to save her (for a variety of reasons) ALL.THE.TIME and that she legitimately does not care about danger to herself if it's in pursuit of a good story.

[@seansteele6532]

The jump in the cartoon wasn't a gamble she 100% already had it figured out and was trying to get Clark to admit it to her. I don't think it was a bad thing, totally in character for her and yeah this is better strain to their relationship than just simple "Will they won't they" or "Will she figure it out." Now it's out in the open and the relationship can have actual drama and spice to it.

[@trianglemoebius]

Also, even if she's wrong the show has set up that superman would still certainly save her. It's not like he's just NOT going to swoop in and save the day, that's his thing. The only difference would be Superman comes from the sky or Clark jumps off the building to fly down.

[@jameshunt4611]

The 90s Superman animated series interpretation of the characters handled really well, partly because the writers powered down Superman. For example, he struggles to lift extremely heavy objects instead of effortlessly doing so.

[@Regenmacher175]

It's almost like characters struggling and having to figure out solutions to their problems makes them more interesting. If Superman didn't have any limitations you'd have to figure out a way to write the story so that every criminal now suddenly has kryptonite for him to be in any peril at all. This show just extends the struggle to the Lois/Clark Kent relationship: if Lois just accepted his decision to lie to her without questions there'd be no real stakes to him keeping the secret in the first place.

[@Fighting31406]

I remember an episode when he was having a rather hard time against a gunship.

[@8bitdiedie]

I’m sorry but I was NEVER convinced of this dumb idea that Superman is somehow “too powerful” to struggle. Not only is it blatantly not true if you look at most Superman media (he’s not exactly ending every fight in a single punch like people like to pretend), but it’s a complaint that fully misses the point of superhero storytelling when you really think about. Complaining Superman is too powerful cause he can lift heavy things is like saying ANY superhero is boring for having incredible super-strength far beyond a real human’s. It doesn’t actually matter how strong the hero is, what ACTUALLY matters is how strong they are in COMPARISON to the villains they fight and the conflicts they face. And look at Superman’s villains; Zod, Doomsday, Darkseid, Braniac etc. Most of these are demi-Gods or at the very least alien conquerors with power directly comparable to Superman. So when people complain that he’s “too strong” and “doesn’t struggle”, it just comes across like they’re stuck in the 1930s and have this impression of superman as someone who only goes up against bank robbers and not genuine threats.

[@8bitdiedie]

Actually a good example of what I’m talking about is Goku. Do the DBZ fanbase complain that he’s “too strong” because he can shake the universe itself? Of course not, because his villains can do the same thing anyway so the struggle to fight an equal or greater foe is always still there.

[@jameshunt4611]

@@8bitdiedie I guess I’m stuck in the 1930s

[@ButteryMoist]

While I do believe Lois had a right to be upset at Clark, the situation she put him in to force a confession is what bothers me. It basically boiled down to "Tell me your deepest secret or I go splat on the pavement." which, to me, is straight up emotional manipulation. I just hope the show addresses how wrong that was of her to do, even if her reasons were understandable.

[@Regenmacher175]

Can't they both be right about different aspects of this whole issue? He is right to say that it would probably save Lois a bunch of trouble if she didn't know his secret. She is right that they can't have a strong romantic relationship if he's not being upfront with her about who he really is.

[@reddz7240]

Don't count on it. Shows aren't really out there addressing the wrongdoings of women right now. Which is largely fine, it's their time and all that. This isn't a criticism of feminism or fighting for equality. Having infallible girlbosses all over tv is similar to corporate pandering.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

I think show gives more justification for it, becasue literally whole episode was her telling "just tell me, I know" and when she sees him being hurt after Deathstroke fight he still lies in her face when she just wants to help. All methods of just trying to comfort him were tried and the only left is real bait he would fall for.

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 I think they will address it. She could (and probably should) have just confronted him and told him she knew, and I don't think she did at any point. That being said, the show has established Lois as an "act first think later" character so this fits fully into that. It's definitely a flaw that's consistent with her and something they'll probably continue to have the show develop as it goes.

[@rohavic]

I don’t think it was emotional manipulation, actually yeah kind of but I hope she doesn’t continue it, if she keeps at it I’d call it “emotional manipulation” as a character trait

[@CptApplestrudl]

There's a difference between a character acting irrational and out of character. Lois is reckless, bold, confident and maybe at times irrational. Being irrational can border on being dumb. Acting out of character is something different, like Darth Vader cracking jokes.

[@HighPhoenix1754]

Oh, Darth Vader definitely cracks jokes. They're just usually very.. dark.. and the punchline is usually him choking out a fool.

[@misterroboto1]

The show is called _my_ adventures with superman. Obviously, they'll make up. The opening title of the show even has a shot of Lois and Jimmy helping Clark figure out the alien ship business. This "outrage" is just silly.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

People don't have patience for story actually wrap out before starting complaining about characters making mistakes and not being perfect all the time (in that case they complain how characters are Mary Sues).

[@Arttano]

With respect to the point about invincible, I'm still salty at how the writers chose handle their relationship. They had this great character and then they undercut so much of her characterization right at the end of the season. The worst part is that they could've still done the whole plot point where Amber's mad at him and they break up but with reasons that actually work for her character. Instead of getting mad at him for lying, they should've written it that she's mad at him for how poorly he'd been keeping his secret identity and how she almost died that night because of it. This also fixes the problem that she clearly knew he was a hero the whole time, but only gets mad at him when he stops lying to her about it despite the fact that the lying is what she's mad about.

[@duman173]

When i was younger( talking pre teen years) i didn't get why women complained how much more challenging things were to them compared to guys, i used to get into discussions with girls who often took their sentiments into misandrist opinions that never sat right with me, but it took me a bit to understand it was a normal reaction (with a sprinkle of ignorance just because of age) to the way i was acting because i started to understand the context in which i was making my arguments and noticed the only people who constantly kept talking about that shit were dudes that have the worst reactions to women, like people who even the most milk toast women character in a show can be a "stuck up bitch" as soon as she has any kind of individual opinion. One person in particular for me personally really opened my eyes when i was a teen, because not only did he do that coincidentally with all the women but also with all the men who weren't white, which during the fight i confronted him about it his actual defense was he wasn't misogynist because he didn't like black men too, and in a seconds it was like lightning this "i've been watching tv with a full blown nazi, wtf is going on" . This happened to me 15 years ago and to this day this shit still happens somewhat, where if you try to make sure people in a conversation (normally online) understands that feminism is there to both help women and men some fucking mgtow douchebag thinks your making the arguments for their misogyny

[@Swenglish]

The thing is it makes sense psychologically if you can put two and two together. "The General" is obviously Sam Lane. Lois has had to deal with 20-some years of secrets, lies and gaslighting from her dad. So yes, she overreacts to Clark not being honest with her, but not because she's a woman. Because it hits her right in the childhood trauma.

[@son_guhun]

Just a note on the superman 2 scene. That scene happens AFTER she has ALREADY tried to get him to reveal himself by jumping off a building. But he managed to save her without revealing his secret (as he is super fast)

[@Kekkersboy]

Here's the thing. Superman didn't keep his secret to protect Lois. He kept it to protect himself. And there's nothing wrong with that

[@bunklypeppz]

I totally agree with Vaush about how dumb it is when the superheroes' girlfriends get mad at them when they learn about their secret identity. Obviously secret identities are a thing for a reason, and it's not as if it's a bad thing to find out your boyfriend is saving the world and has superpowers. It really doesn't make much sense for any rational, emotionally stable person to get mad about that kind of thing. To me it feels like a silly, shoehorned in aspect of our world that is clumsily applied to these works of fiction, like the writers figure "well people in relationships get mad when they find out their partner has not been honest about something, and these superheroes are forced to be dishonest about this one thing, therefore it must make sense for this character to get mad about this", but to make such a conclusion is to utterly disregard any realistic consideration for human psychology in the face of such a drastically unprecedented circumstance. It wouldn't be completely unimaginable that a person would have such a response, but not someone who is otherwise depicted as being an intelligent and reasonable person, rather than the type of individual who would be likely to start a fight with their significant other over something that occurred in a dream they had. That type of writing is kind of like writing a story in which the last remaining humans strive to survive after a cosmic horror-induced apocalypse where an otherwise intelligent and rational character constantly spends time worrying about paying off his college loans because the writers figure that worrying about debt makes them relatable without consideration for how ludicrous that sentiment is within the given context.

[@marcosdheleno]

it makes sense in the series. people are missing the point, she isnt angry at him for lying, she is angry because she told him she knows, and he still refused to come clean. also, she is not in her right mind. she hasnt slept, she spent the entire day pursuing him, and she is mentaly drained not only for trying to make him admit, but also because she see him go once again after a group of people she is scared could kill him. so when it happens, she is just done with the bullshite. also, they will make up in the next episode.

[@Regenmacher175]

@@marcosdheleno Those are all excellent points. But, you see, Superman's choices are always right no matter what happens because the comics said so. That's it, no discussion. End of story. LOL no I'm kidding. The show actually did something interesting with his secret identity instead of the boring "will they, won't they" or "will she eventually figure out who he is".

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

In context of the scene she saw that he was hurt and he continued lying about it, claiming that was shaving incident. Imagine that your partner suddenly disappear every time some accidents happen in the world and appears again with some wounds on face and body and then they continue lying to you what actually happens.

[@bunklypeppz]

@@marcosdheleno I haven't watched the show, I was more focused on the situation with regard to Amber in Invincible as well as the fact that many writers for superhero stories almost seem to treat that trope as a staple within the genre. That being said, I don't necessarily think that what you're describing absolves her behavior completely. I mean, why wouldn't someone in her shoes take the potential reasons for his secrecy into consideration? Why not discuss it like a rational person; did she just constantly hound him about "knowing his identity" or did she ever try to understand why he would not want to reveal his hero identity and attempt different approaches to reason with him about it; for all she could have known, he may have had no choice in the matter. We're talking about superhuman aliens with other-wordly capabilities-- how does she know he wasn't being observed at all times and would be killed for revealing who he was etc. My point is just that it is extremely stupid to assume that a completely morally good person who secretly spends a lot of their time literally saving the world and rescuing people would have reason to withhold their secret that was anything but benevolent on their part. Any argument in favor of her response is an argument against the need for secret identities in the first place, which could be made to an extent, since most stories of this nature fail to properly illustrate the justification for such things, but the need for the secret identity is really to be taken as somewhat of an axiom within the genre.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@bunklypeppz like i said, you need to understand her mental state at that point. not only did she find out the person she loves has been lying to her, to her face, he is someone she thought was honest to a fault. its more of a "if he is able to lie about this, what else is he willing to lie about? does he even like me?" and that snowball goes on. also, the show doesnt want you to SIDE with her, they want you to UNDERSTAND her point of view. this is lois, not lana, she WILL become his partner and accept it. probably by the end of next episode even.

[@Archflip]

I hate the trope and she was wrong to act that way, but tbf, she realizes that she was being selfish on her own very quickly and reconciles, which shows good emotional maturity. The fact that she herself says she was being selfish makes it so weird that people are running defense on her having justified concerns though. The discourse has gotten too oppositional both ways when the characters have already solved their issues. Sheesh.

[@cormano64]

Very true. A lot of people tend to put their foot down for bad things when other people give bad takes about them. It usually ends with a situation where both opposite ends of the discussion are just as wrong for different stupid reasons, poisoning the well for the actual reasonable and well thought-out opinions in between. RIngs of Power and The Last of Us Part 2 was infected with this far more so.

[@jackhalus6137]

People are just over reacting to this because of how shit Amber was. Lois aside from going nuts and jumping off the roof, had a much better reaction and much more understandable emotions. Lois freaked because she truly cares and likes this guy. Amber was selfish as fuck in comparison.

[@wumbojet]

I really enjoy hearing mr v talk about his media takes, he has a very Joseph Anderson quality about him in the sense that even when he has a garbage, completely unjustifiable opinion you can actually get value from them explaining their thoughts.

[@ElecTrishian924]

Don't let his subreddit hear you say that

[@cormano64]

I have a visceral reaction hearing about that idiot, so I'm glad you mentioned his garbage and completely unjustifiable opinions.

[@wumbojet]

@@ElecTrishian924 the vaushv sub would crucify me if they found out I exist regardless of my opinions on anything

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

This reminds me of when Mary Jane did the same thing in 90s animated show because she wanted to see if Peter would wanna marry her or something lol

[@oh_god_dammit]

She did that to see if his love for her was genuine or something like that. It's so unhinged and yet it's so MJ

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

@@oh_god_dammit Yeah shit was weird. Smart chicks wouldn't bother doing something that dumb lol

[@falconeshield]

​@@themajesticspider-man6116It's MJ. Gwen and Felicia are better but main story Spidey stories love the status quo.

[@oh_god_dammit]

@@falconeshield Gwen was nowhere near as interesting compared to MJ(according to fucking Stan Lee)and is also a dead girl, and Felicia literally cheated on him because she didn't give a shit about Peter, only the mystery behind him as Spider-Man. MJ knew who he was from the get-go, supported him through Gwen's death, and despite all the bullshit still wound up marrying him. Saying a corpse and a cheater/criminal are better than MJ is quite the take to have

[@Canadish]

At least it was cute unhinged as opposed to abusive unhinged.

[@BlackTearDrop]

Lois is in the right but so is Clark. Lois could have been more understanding but it's understandable why she was mad given her character. Clark was right to try and protect her and Jimmy but when it was obvious she had figured it out he should have trusted her and told her and explained himself.

[@joshstephens413]

I don't care that Invincible's gf is black. I care that she treated him like dirt for not being around enough when the only time he isn't is when he is saving lives.

[@Ironysandwich]

Amber from Invincible was just bad writing. One episode she didn't have the slightest clue Mark was Invincible and the next she had known for some time. The way she's depicted at college, being mad at him for running away when Invincible showed up to save them, she *clearly* didn't know, not secretly knew but was hiding it, did not know period. Then suddenly, like a day later, she's known for months and is mad he hasn't told her anything.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Honestly, this particular plotline isn’t finished. If Lois comes out of the other side realizing that she is mostly angry due to hangups with her father giving her trust issues and Clark learns that he can confide in Lois then I’m okay with it. If it ends with Lois being in the right and Clark being wrong, I would find that to be a problem. But yeah as long as this is a gateway to further character development, I would be fine with this. Especially since Lois has consistently been a fun character in this show and even fun in this episode until the end. I have no problem with Lois going the extra mile for her convictions. Gives more spice to her character.

[@paffles6696]

People are seriously upset about this? Are they stupid? This is one of the better depictions of superman. It's genuinely good. Also in invincible (show) she was entitled to his superhero identity which is why everyone hates Amber. In this show Clark strings her along out of fear despite Lois specifically investigating Superman's identity and trying to get him to admit it. She even tells Clark that she wouldn't have revealed his secret because she considers him her friend and is hurt he didn't trust her. Pretty different imho.

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

It also portrays Superman correctly. He's a *NICE GUY* who is doing the best he can, and he's fumbling and screwing around, but this version of Clark Kent is genuinely a good dude who is doing his best. The comedy doesn't always work, but I like him.

[@VMonkies]

People on the internet hate everything for even the most tenuous of reasons. If you find someone who likes something, you will find five people who will hate it even if they have to make shit up.

[@paffles6696]

@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq Completely agree. His whole 'fish out of water' thing makes him super endearing. Here's hoping DC Studios can take some notes and quit trying to make Superman just another gritty Batman style superhero.

[@embluvya]

The people angry like this act like they've been personally wronged by Lois or that they've gone through a similar situation of being a super hero whose gf got mad that he lied. You're not superman, bro. That being said, this fake drama trope is annoying.

[@aguspuig6615]

I feel like the reason why guys will overreact more than girls when the character they simp for fucks up is because of how shittyly written woman characters are as of late. Think of Amber from Inincible for example, yeah woke agenda jokes and all, theres no problem with her being black, but shes also both a huge Karen and at the same time sort of treated as an awsome person by the show. Wich ticks all the boxes: -Raceswap a white character -Make them less likable -Make the show treat them like they are more likable than they are So when women see superman fuck up its just like ''aw man that wasnt very well written'' or something, but when guys see the oposite theres this instant fear that the character they like will be changed and join the legions of shitty girlboss characters that no one likes. Wich granted, is still an overreaction but i feel like this is why it happens.

[@patriciawetherby2762]

I also want to point out that Clark also acknowledged that what Lois did was crazy and out of line right after this scene. She also was distrustful of Superman calling him a liar and wanting to expose all his secrets several times in the past episodes. She even lied to him in the first episode and risked him losing his job just to get a story, which the show acknowledged was wrong. So the show has been recognizing that Lois is crazy and being really hypocritical here. Also Jimmy's reaction in a future episode was also contrasted as being WAY more well-adjusted and mature compared to Lois.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

At this point giving an established female character a bob cut is just free advertising from the rage-grifters

[@tylerhackner9731]

People are weird

[@asherroodcreel640]

What . . . No

[@HumanIsError]

Like multiple Lois's have throw themselves off building to find out if Clark is Superman or after learning to have a dumb little sentimental moment. It's a Lois thing. I will say this Lois has made it clear every chance she gets that she doesn't like being lied to. It's explained in more detail in ep 4 because she has a rocky relationship with her dad who lied to her about a lot including her mothers cancer diagnosis. It's written in to give her this moment for the seemingly "splitting up" moment of the trio. I really dig this new show.

[@cromwellian1]

this show is so good actually and i'm someone that doesn't like the superman franchise to be frank. and lois lane is FUCKING INSANE and i've always specifically liked HER tho and ppl who think this is weird shit are fake DC fans bc this is 100% par for course with her. there's a reason she's a journalist ok she would very literally stare death in the eye to get the truth she is that dedicated to it. lois lane very specifically demands the truth. and so i think her reaction makes sense.

[@sunnijo]

Lois doing dangerous things for a story is so ubiquitous that it’s parodied in the comic series 52 when Clark is de-powered for like a year, Clark is the one who jumps off a building so the new hero Supernova will save him so he can get an interview. I think Lois making potentially lethal gambles like jumping off a building is fine and totally in character for her.

[@KaleidoAbridged]

I loved in the latest episode when Slade was fighting Superman, and a schoolbus of kids was about to fall off a bridge, and Superman was going easy on Slade, but then said: Fuck this! Punched Slade out of the planet and saved the schoolkids. i loved seeing him angry, because he was right, the kids are his priority and he is passionate about saving them. And if he has to risk killing Slade to leave him alone while he's saving the kids, he will do that. (Slade was fine in the end)

[@blakebailey22]

5:30 charlie brought this up while playing forspoken, the main character is super rude and tells one of her allies to "shut the fuck up" while she's sneaking in a busy crowd, and charlie's reaction was, "why do producers think strong female character equals total asshole for no reason?" It's a lazy way for writers to bring women up by knocking others down, when in reality all they have to do is treat female characters the exact same way as the male characters

[@Labyrinthfox]

Is this people’s first time watching a Superman story? Like she literally is constantly throwing herself from buildings to get Superman to catch her. Like even after she knows she does it. It’s very normal behavior.

[@EricZhang-w4k]

I think the trope was just done really badly in invincible and now people are kinda triggered by it even though it was basically fine in this case (not that it was reasonable for her to jump off the building but it fit with the story and characterization better)

[@JCHWKamileo]

I actually didn't find amber from invincible to be completely in the wrong, but that's a dead horse with a lot of layers to explain so from surface level her being mad seems unreasonable, still a ridiculous thing to get mad about, so many weirdos constantly making videos on how bad amber was, now lois smh.

[@Jellyduckface1]

One bad trope does not a bad show make

[@Luigi_Mario_1997]

WTF kind of dangling participle are you suffering from?

[@dannydoo8717]

​@@Luigi_Mario_1997same question to you? What's wrong with that comment?

[@hostomelhorsehoarder]

Thank you yoda

[@Mr.Universe]

Almost had a stroke reading that.

[@MrZer093]

I like how the recent animated DCEU did it. In their take of Death of Superman, Lois Lane knows for a fact that Clark Kent is hiding stuff from her and it irritates her to no end that he’s doing it as they’re in love. Clark’s parents even call him out on it saying he should reveal his identity. Later he sets up a diner date upon which she’s about to break up with him over this and he goes “I have two major secrets: 1) I am Superman” and she doesn’t believe him until he proves it himself. Then just as it becomes abundantly clear he needs to join the fight against Doomsday, he then whispers in her ear “and 2) I love you” before he flies off to have the fight of his life. It’s an extremely vulnerable and emotional moment that puts you in Lois’ shoes as she grapples with all of this as she reports on the fight. It’s a great movie that’s incredibly intense with this half hour long fight sequence between Superman and Doomsday

[@austinthesan-antonian3932]

With the Invincible Amber thing, I kinda feel like the writers knew that Amber was in the wrong but went down that route in order to make the relationship more messy, more interesting. Having a healthy relationship like the two had in the comics is great and all but sometimes you don't have that in reality (particularly with teenage relationships cause the both of you may be far from fully baked adults). I think it's a nice sober perspective to take and -if it's done well- could really help teach the audience a thing or two about how to work through a relationship like that.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

But the whole reason it was healthy IS BECAUSE THEY THEN BROKE OUT ON GOOD TERMS. The Amber in the comic was casual life Mark couldn't have due to responsobility. And making actually sweet avoided basic comic melodrama, BECAUSE COMIC WAS SATIRE AND COMMENTARY ON THE GENRE.

[@mememachine-386]

I disagree, the way they framed the break up they clearly were painting Mark in the wrong. Both of Mark's best friends told him separately that he was the one who fucked up.

[@austinthesan-antonian3932]

@@mememachine-386 Yeah, you're right. That'd be weird if they weren't trying to frame Amber's P.O.V. as right. I haven't watched the show since like a few months after the first season came out. So my take could be really bad. I still do think it's a fun idea to have the superhero girlfriend break up over a dumb insecure reason though.

[@trianglemoebius]

@@mememachine-386 I disagree. I think Mark being framed as in the wrong was in-universe, not meta. What person, at some point in their lives, haven't been made to feel bad for something that wasn't actually their fault? AMBER is framing Mark as being in the wrong, and she's being irrational about it. Mark is gaslit into thinking he messed up, but - as you've pointed out - there's no story elements suggesting he was. We've gotten too used to narratives force-feeding us every detail and feeling, it's sad. And I do mean "we" here - I'm not saying you're some kind of sucker for this because I 100% do the same thing from time to time. I blame the slew of movies and shows that act like we'll have no idea what to think if they don't make everything entirely on the nose at all times. Basically: characters seeming to hold irrational beliefs isn't necessarily a failure of the story, it can also be a flaw of the characters - it could very well just be a piece of dramatic irony.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@trianglemoebius but from meta perspective there's nothing to hold, in fact, meta also tells she's right with "We both were lied too" which is dumb as hell.

[@endplanets]

Lois jumps off the north side. Kent flies off the south side, grabs a mask, grabs Louis, and dumps her on the ground floor. Kent then flies around to the south side, flies back to the top, de-masks, and runs down the stairs at normal speed and acts all flustered. Lois didn't prove nothin.

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

Oh thank god Vuash knows what he’s talking about with Superman, I would have brought up that Superman 2 example if he didn’t

[@Sarcasticron]

Lois ALSO does the jumping out a window to prove Clark is Superman in Superman II. But Clark manages to rescue her without revealing his identity.

[@andread4389]

Im sure other people had this thought but my immediate reaction to this scene was "ah this seemed rushed they probably cut out some dialogue because they ran out of time"

[@loganosmolinski4446]

Eh it works as is, people just be women haters. I mean ffs in Superman 2, with the Reeves man himself, Lois SHOOTS CLARK WITH A GUN (it was a blank but Clark didn't know that) to get him to drop the act. Girl's always been craycray she just hasn't learned to tone it down yet in this adaptation since its literally at the start of her career.

[@diefty94]

Yes, this plot point is bad both in My Adventures With Superman and in Invincible. Unfortunately incels made a big deal out of it so now it's a culture war thing and you can't make a reasonable critique of this trope without people assuming that you hate women.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

They will solve this in the very next episode. Also, context is important.

[@mr.goblin6039]

The context for the Adventures of Superman show is that Lois figures out Clark is Superman and wants him to tell her himself. By the end of the episode, she’s just done with Clark not admitting that he’s Superman so she jumps off a building to make Clark confess already. They have a fight and of course they do the whole “you lied to me” trope. The previews for the next episode literally show that they’re working things out while trying to save Jimmy, so the reaction people had is not only greatly exaggerated; it’s fucking stupid cause THE NEXT EPISODE SHOWS THEY’RE WORKING THINGS OUT! Mfs turned on Lois Lane cause she did the most consistent Lois Lane thing ever. It’s wild. It also isn’t much of a surprise that most of the people hating on Lois are also mostly weebs making comparisons to shonen anime, where most female characters are written to be 1 dimensional fap bait rather than actual characters.

[@Regenmacher175]

The people who get mad don't know the comics and yet have really strong opinions about who the character is or isn't. They also don't seem to know how one tells an effective story.

[@servoaugusta513]

A rap bait character is what they wanted/perceived lois to be-she was the cute “tanned tomboy” to which they could meme about.

[@ericmixon4202]

You know this whole drama I've been one of the few people fighting against it. Because I'm a weird nerd who knows comic book history

[@AJGexe]

tbh the drama arc is such a trope that I think the reaction to it is fine. People are still weird about Mako from Korra. It's just bad writing.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

I actually love drama with love triangle in TLOK. Especially because it was actual love triangle, and how is ended. And because Korra and Asami never actually hate each others, (Korra just being jealous for few episodes). About Mako, he was jerk too many times, especially when he wrongly accused Korra for using Bolin to get closer to him and later that she lied about Asami's father for being Equalist just so he would broke up with Asami... why Korra wanted to be with him in first place?

[@stewhv94]

It's worse in Invincible because Amber constantly berates Mark for going missing, calling him a coward and everything, but then reveals that she knew the whole time anyway.

[@cormano64]

Not the whole time, she says she figured it out weeks ago when Mark reveals his superhero identity. Her attitude is still terrible, but I feel a lot of people have been misinformed by trolls on the web whenever they repeat the "whole time" thing.

[@d00mbr07]

I hate to Supe-splain this but ok. The show in itself absolutely fucking SLAPS, its just the recent episode had Lois pull an Amber (Invincible) and got pissed at Clark for not telling her hes Superman. Despite the fact she literally threatened to doxx him 2 ep. prior

[@zenbear9952]

Threatening to doxx him sounds way worse than what she did here.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

In context of the scene, he was blatantly lying about his wounds, while she was visibly upset about it. Imagine if your partner or friend constantly refuse to explain how they get injured. Showing that they don't trust you?

[@jerekheadrick3379]

People are gonna be feeling real dumb when she apologizes to Clark and they make up. We all know it's gonna happen.

[@Advent3546]

They are going to patch things up next episode and it cannot come fast enough. Holy fuck people really overreacted to this.

[@kevinstobbs9134]

I seen a take that invincible would have been better if the black not-batman hero who dies was her father - it fixes so much. She knew the whole time that he was a hero but still got mad when he left to go hero? She gets mad that he doesn't spill this huge secret minutes within them dating? Nonsensical. What if instead she was mad because he is doing a POOR JOB HIDING HIS IDENTITY and is particularly emotional about it because of her father.

[@fireemblemaddict128]

Amber and Lois went about this totally differently, and their characters prior to the reveal were also different. It makes way more sense for Lois to react this way but people are still butthurt. It's not perfect but I think the outrage is disproportional

[@lonniegabbie]

I don’t know why THIS lois lane is the #1 enemy right now online. other lois lanes have done far worse. I stand with pixie cut lois!

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

No, only a minority has problems, most of the people are calling her tsundere mommy. 😂

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

A very wholesome anime type show, also it's bisexual gaze, both are hot.

[@lonniegabbie]

@@anonymousinfinido2540 not as much anymore (on twitter at least)

[@johannesh.9955]

One aspect that makes Lois' reaction understandable is that she is chasing Superman all the time to finally get the story that will help her become a well-known journalist. And the person she thought was helping her is actually the person holding her back.

[@Molly-jh4kz]

"I think you have super powers so I'm going to jump off this building then you will save me" is a level of self-confidence only exhibited by actual crazy.

[@MissXHiem]

lois lane in "dc super hero girls 2019" is the first time ive seen her character in an animated show (and for kids no less) that fully leans into "LOIS LANE IS INSANE AND WILL DO ANYTHING FOR A SCOOP" shes crazy and its hilarious

[@briangressett902]

I love My Adventures with Superman.

[@Ingwaz_Seishu]

I fucking hated amber in the invincible TV show when she pulled that "I know and you lied to me" thing. Mark is off fighting for his life and saving people regularly, and she got pissed because he didn't trust her with a secret that could ruin his life and privacy.

[@theeclecticnerd841]

It’s fun and nice to see a return to the somewhat campy nature of superheroes. It’s not gritty or dark and just a charming romp.

[@Alexa-Raine]

Such a brilliant point! 🤩 💡👏 The 15 minute amelioration was good too. 👍 Love you Vaush💕

[@meprivate6923]

She a grown up Korean Luz (I legit thought that she was voiced by Sarah Nicole-Robles). Also, i really like the show, its good.

[@abaque24]

My understanding is that she already knows who clark is, and that clark cant hide it from her anymore and still insist in trying to trick her. Clark refuses to come clean after being found out. Her jumping is not a gamble at all.

[@satyropodobny101]

By this point she's 99% certain Clark is Superman, but he just keeps stonewalling her. Jumping off is then the fastest way for them to resolve this issue, therefore perfectly rational. The Crazy (tm) part was actually the little pause of disbelief she makes when he catches her: she'd rather be wrong and die than confirm that another man in her life turned out to be a liar. Talk about daddy issues, sheesh.

[@astamanista9447]

@7:16 This happens in 9-1-1. A new "badass" female character was introduced in season 5, fandom RAVE about her because it's been a while since a female firefighter became a series recurring character, the actress banked on the fandom popularity and start doing article interviews, the new showrunner sold her as "a breath of fresh air" yada yada yada, basically overpraising her before she even appeared on the episode. Came her debut episode, she and a very popular white male character kiss while the man has a girlfriend, essentially making the man cheat. I personally think it's dumb that they hype up a female character whose only purpose is so that a male character can cheat on his girlfriend with said female character, especially when the cheating man got no repercussion whatsoever and the woman's story involvement is super generic and cliche, but the way people turn on her... whew...

[@TheKitsuneCavalier]

Most people miss something when they watch the very first Superman movie. When Lois Lane falls from the building, due to a helicopter crash, she was in that helicopter on her way to meet Air Force One. The same Air Force One which then loses an engine, Superman props it up, and a pilot says, "Don't look just fly."

[@kacidy]

Classic Vaush moment, not understanding the very normal human response to secrecy of feeling betrayed. Trust is the root of pretty much every valid reason to stay in a relationship as well as lack of (or degradation of) trust being the root of every good reason to end it. And I mean romantic as well as any other kind of relationship.

[@yan_dj]

I never watch anything related to Superman yet have been getting recommended EXCLUSIVELY people simping for the characters and loving the show

[@GoodAvatar-ut5pq]

....I kinda like the show. It's PG. It's designed for kids. But.... I like this Superman. These dudes.... Got his ethics right.

[@rebootcomputa]

Really? I thought people were digging it, I sure am.

[@goldenyak629]

Lois is basically an adult Luz.

[@nachoolo]

I've started to notice lately a lot of "controversies" towards TV shows when it comes to characters acting like people with flaws instead of always acting rational. Also. Mark my words. This is literally a conflict that is going to be resolved in the next episode. This controversy is morons having such poor media literacy that are unable to understand one of the most cliche stories beats in superhero stories.

[@Kamishi845]

I think you'd like James Somerson's video on the manwha Killing Stranger, because one of his main talking points is how girls tend to idealize bad guys and reframe toxic behavior in a romantic fashion. As someone who does not identify as a woman but was raised to become one at an earlier point in my life, I agree with him with that women and young girls are made to excuse toxic behavior from men based on the idea that "that's how guys are", in the case of a man doing something more explicitly feminine as a way to broaden the masculine gender role, most women would probably welcome that though some may lose interest in the guy as a potential love interest because it doesn't attract them.

[@Demo5]

You can be nostalgic for things that came out before you were born if you watch them when you are young your "Formative years" Or things that came out around that same time or remind you of the stuff your nostalgic for or by deliberately aping the look ie stranger things . It doesn't just have to be things that were released when you were young.

[@davidbodor1762]

I never understood how the partner knowing would put the partner in danger? I mean if it gets out to villains sure, but look at the other Superman and Lois show where Lois literally has an emergency Superman button, it literally saves her multiple times. Imagine if said partner gets in danger and does not have a superhero on call to bail them out of trouble? Is that really preferable? The problem with this building scene is Lois already knows and Clark keeps lying anyways, even though he was SUPER obvious about things all days. Like, why even bother lying at that point you played yourself already.

[@maxwessel7786]

Irl when people find out you’re a superhero they usually just abruptly stop talking to you.

[@makokenji4350]

12:30 This scene is awesome until you realize that Superman would 100% be able to know if a bullet emerged from her gun or not. He would see it coming long before it hit him. So basically, Goku spanks.

[@AJGexe]

idk imagine if you find out the first time you kissed your boyfriend that he wasn't even using 1% of his true power. He was an alein who wouldnt even use his real name. Ascended even further beyond yet still with no understanding of his culture. He shamed you at the worlds martial arts tournament with no concerns for your Sayian pride.

[@StannisHarlock]

Earlier in the movie Lois jumps into the raging river that if I remember correctly plunges towards a giant waterfall.

[@justinschmelzel8806]

So far I love this show and I don't care what anyone says. This show got the characters right for the most part, especially Clark, I am so glad to see a hopeful superman after so many years and tropes of the "evil superman" or "broken superman" character we have gotten that just shows people don't understand the character. They did a poor job of why Superman's disguise is SUPPOSED to work. But it makes sense with how they are going in this one and I will take that for a hopeful just straight good guy superman and not dumb Lois all while having the characters still have their own flaws. And for Lois it makes perfect sense for HER character because the REASON she is a journalist because she doesn't like lies and secrets because of how many she grew up with because of her father being in the military. This is a primary feature of her character and she isn't even dating Clark yet. They revealed it this early because we are likely GOING to see her move past this in the coming episodes, unlike Amber in invincible who apparently knew the whole time and just left because she wasn't getting the attention she thought she deserved. It is one of those "context= King" things where the same actions can have profoundly different meanings due to the actions and context around them.

[@dix0n778]

Of all the current incarnations of Superman, by the little bit I have seen of this show, this is the most personal Superman/Clark I have seen. Even more personal than Christopher Reeves' Superman. Lois design is icing on the cake. I am still partial to John Williams' Superman March.

[@ratking1330]

Lois Lane in Flashpoint Paradox literally went into a Warzone alone between the Amazons and Atlantians. She is insane.

[@kap1618]

Can we drop super heroes keeping their identity secret from friends and family? Blue Beetle's solo comic avoided this and it worked out for him. Unlike Spectacular spider man which backfired constantly.

[@BlackMarvel25]

It’s an old trope and it’s a terrible one at that. It’s a great show but this one thing here pissed me off too. Clark was right to not reveal it to her because she said she was going to expose him.

[@shinrodanreviews4322]

I think this trope has to work a certain way. I think it’d be different if a character had revealed and opened up about herself, being vulnerable to the main character (the superhero), and is hurt when she finds out he’s a superhero. To me, this works better and makes sense with her getting mad at the superhero character. Idk, I think it works better that way, but that’s just me.

[@jefferybrown6473]

8:25 Careful Vaush, you're skirting pass Yujiro Hanma territory with that statement.