"They are NOT Aboriginal" - Explosive claim in controversial project" | 2GB Sydney

Two men at the centre of a controversial project on the Northern Beaches have been accused of falsely claiming to be Indigenous.
Neil Evers and Dennis Jones say they are the “traditional bloodline custodians” of the area around Lizard Rock. Nathan Moran from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council (MLALC) alleges the pair have not officially confirmed their Aboriginal heritage.
READ MORE: www.2gb.com/they-are-not-abor...
SUBSCRIBE to 2GB Sydney: / @2gbsydney
► LISTEN to Live Radio now at 2GB.com: www.2gb.com/
► Facebook: / 2gbsydney
► Twitter: / 2gb873
► Official Site: www.2gb.com/
Join 2GB Sydney for the latest news, interviews and events - Australia's most popular talkback radio station, and Sydney's #1.
#2GB #BenFordham #News #TheVoice

[@roblockwood116]

This is why we should all definitely VOTE NO!

[@Will-nb8qk]

makes no sense

[@CENSOREDFORSPEAKINGTRUTHS4380]

Don’t worry I think the majority of Australians will vote no.

[@Will-nb8qk]

@@CENSOREDFORSPEAKINGTRUTHS4380 Not for the reasons you are obviously 😂 Get under the house!

[@CENSOREDFORSPEAKINGTRUTHS4380]

@@Will-nb8qk here this is for you 🖕now take this and shove it you know where.

[@CENSOREDFORSPEAKINGTRUTHS4380]

@@Will-nb8qk you have no idea what your talking about do you? 🤣

[@robdowsing3361]

That’s why a NO vote for the Voice is required;we should all be just one country😅

[@sthnwatch]

Yep. Exactly.

[@blake9358]

@@sthnwatch You stole our minerals our children our land. We want treaty all land in Australia is ours

[@pittycross]

@@blake9358 No children were ever stolen. Part Aboriginal children were left with authorities and not picked up, or handed in so they could have a better life, or removed, as they are today, due mostly to neglect and violence or because they were in moral danger. Remember that young girls were promised to old men at puberty and handed over soon after to begin wifely duties. As Lefty anthropologist W E Stanner writes in, 'White Man got no Dreaming -Essays 1938 - 1973', he talks about helping Aboriginal people by, ''making unstable families more stable, or reducing absenteeism, or giving young women real alternatives to prostitution". The latter explains how the sharp rise in part-Aboriginal people came about. It had NOTHING to do with them being raped, which nearly all mixed race people claim today.

[@jimcockburn4652]

We all know who benefits mostly from any type of wealth in the Aboriginal community and it isn't the ones you can pick as Koories or Blackfellas on sighting them or those who live in the communities.

[@samuelwright1129]

You're one of the reason why the no vote is winning!@@jimcockburn4652

[@haroldmclean3755]

Here's a thought , Let's Abolish Native Title , Problem Solved

[@sereanaduwai8313]

That’s already done to 80% of the land mass or didn’t you know that?

[@jamesgowing3856]

​@@sereanaduwai8313nonsense the concept of land title didn't exist prior to English settling in Australia. There were no defined land borders between groups of aboriginals although they kept to certain areas as they knew the land & how best to live off it.

[@lostinspace699]

Apparently. you have stolen someone's land,,, Apparently you are over 250 year old ...$$$$$$$

[@garyemerson9310]

I COULDN T AGREE WITH YOU MORE

[@maurice7783]

​@@jamesgowing3856Always was, always would be aboriginal land.

[@cailltelorgaireuaighean7399]

I am aboriginal Northern Irish & I demand a voice to the British parliament. This Voice BS is designed to entrench Labor in power . One Australian flag and only one vote per citizen. It is all Australian land, not Aboriginal land. If you want something work for it. I am voting NO as I don't trust Labor anywhere near our constitution.

[@harleyf19]

Labor themselves have admitted that we already have councils in place that Local Governments can talk to and work with, yet not enough is being done currently, even though they throw millions of dollars at it. The Voice isn't the problem it is the fact that what's currently in place isn't working.

[@mattharcla]

@@harleyf19 It will be a problem if it passes.

[@davidmackieson4609]

Think the way the government is I don't think it's Gunna matter who votes which way the voice will be like Biden it'll get through by rigging it an punish anyone who opposes it

[@dianafarmer5445]

Thank you. My half brother had a full blood Aboriginal great grandmother so my nieces/ nephews are about 13% Aboriginal so to me they shouldn't claim Aboriginality as it's less than 50%. Yet my brother has a certificate to say he is indigenous Australian, and I only have my birth certificate which should make me indigenous since I was born here too.

[@MeBeingAble]

Well i guess you still need to learn that your fight should be to denounce the royals and become republic, not have a voice to the very ppl tbat invaded your country, toom your land and hour ppl

[@russdrummond7292]

Funny how it always ends up being about money.

[@robinbrown8963]

And that's all the BS INVOICE is about.

[@GazGuitarz]

Why would they possibly want "white man's" money for .. unless they plan on living the same lifestyles as their supposedly "colonial" oppressors? They often refer to themselves as "custodians" of the "sacred land" but the original so-called "custodians" had no "money" as such (sea shells don't count I'm afraid) before they became addicted to white man's "money". If they really wanted the land then there should be no "white colonialist" money attached to their claims. Isn't it supposedly their "sacred" duty to "manage" the land out of love for the land's sacredness that they keep reminding us of? These so-called "aboriginal" people will probably end up flogging the lot of the land off to Bill Gates! Maybe Bill Gates is the new Rainbow Serpent?

[@bradvernon3306]

It has always been about the money. Sacred land gets sold off pretty quick when the money is right.

[@lionel9588]

​@@bradvernon3306it's as bout as sacred as my arse.they put a bit of paint on a rock wall and claim it.i might try that my self

[@wyattfamily8997]

Making any law or rule based solely on race is, by its very nature RACIST. As Nelson Mandels once said,: " I detest racialism because it is a barbaric thing, whether it comes from a black man or a white man." Either "We are one" or we are not, in which case apartheid is being introduced into Australia with Federal Government support. Idiocy from our "leaders" as ALL Australians have the same "voice to parliament", it's called a VOTE.

[@richardreweti8671]

It wasn't that long ago when Australia had an all white policy ! or the extermination of Aboriginal's from Tasmania and some still want to further burden the Indigenous population, thankfully Albanese and the Labour Government are attempting to right those wrongs of yesteryear, hopefully the Aussie Conservative's are.

[@kathysangel56]

My God are you in neverland

[@user-ig3tf9vh7p]

Search for "Mandela kill the boer" to see who was actually "racist". 80,000 white farmers have been butchered by these savages in 30 years, the country is now in perpetual famine and doesn't even have reliable electricity since blacks decided they were capable of running a country.

[@martinbrits653]

Is than not the case for white South Africans who have lived in South Africa for generations? But yet, "Kill the Boer" is not condemed as racist? I totally agree with you!!!

[@martinbrits653]

Nelson Mandela, said I detest racism but yet he insisted that white South Africans has no claim to land in South Africa.

[@michellekemp3104]

My husbands Ancestors were dragged to Australia in chains against their will 200 years ago and never saw their land or family again!! We demand recompense for all that they suffered oh and a block of land near Sydney Harbour just for the memories!!

[@jeremyh.pritchard5325]

Aboard rat infested ships wearing those leg and neck irons. They, didn't want them escaping!

[@r1nkyd1nk66]

Same here....husband has convict ancestry...where's OUR land?

[@Bxlxuxexyx]

You will have to hit Charlie & Camilla up that!

[@Bxlxuxexyx]

@@r1nkyd1nk66 Monarchy hit’em up

[@rossrose1534]

Sue the The British Monarchy. 🇬🇧

[@Stonezster]

We are all Australians. One Nation, One Law, One Land, One people. This divisive nonsense has to stop! Vote NO to Apartheid!

[@Will-nb8qk]

BS, you love the division.

[@garyemerson9310]

AND AFTER WE VOTE NO WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO GO AFTER ALBO BOWEN LABOR GREEN GOV. AND FINISH THEM AND ALL THIS CLIMATE AND RENEWABLES IT IS COMMUNISM WAKE UP PEOPLE

[@stuart1001]

Yes, we are all Australians, and we should all look out for each other. Right over wrong, good over bad. But we are so much more diverse with cultures than what we were 30 yrs ago. I think there will always be somewhat of a street felt division.

[@sidstevens9035]

And one Flag!

[@Gumbatron01]

So, it would appear that aboriginal people are so discriminated against and marginalised that people are falling over themselves in order to identify as aboriginal? That doesn't make much sense. What does make more sense is that ordinary tax payers of Australia, some of whom are aboriginal themselves, are subsidizing a grift of monumental proportions, one which no one can question without being tarred with the slur of "racist". Here's a novel approach. Treat all people of Australia equally. Then, there will be no incentive for people who are not aboriginal to claim that they are, we can all get along as human beings and stop dividing society by race (which is actually racist).

[@garyjohnstone6422]

A good post, thatk you

[@davidmackieson4609]

Surprised there not trying the what the goodies did at the end of the south Africa episode when they returned to England

[@harrywalker968]

yup, its bs,, they should sht the fk up,,accept there a conquared nation, that now has sht loads of gov assistance, more than white people get, clothese, cars, homes, education,,what the fk is there problem.. boat people get more money assist, than ausies.. we should be winging, not them..look up hindmarsh island saga..s.a..

[@geoffreytoomey682]

Labor’s voice lies!!!!!!!>>> The real "First People" There are plenty of places thru this email for fact checking.. use it to clarify.. The Torres Strait Islanders are a different race of unrelated people of Melanesian descent, their history goes back about 3,000 years, diverging to a mix of Papuan and Lapita people 30,000 years ago. They are a well-structured society with agriculture and productive communal industry, and warriors using bows and arrows. The aborigines never had enough smarts to copy their usage or society; they never rose above stone age weapons (National Geographic) had gardens or agriculture. Australian Aborigines were probably the tenth race of people to have lived in Australia. Aborigines are of Indian descent, sharing the same mtDNA and two basal synonymous mtDNA polymorphisms G8251A and A9156T with the M42 haplogroup, shared exclusively between (pre-Dravidian) Indian and Australian aborigines - “These particular mutations do not exist anywhere else in the world; they are shared exclusively between a few isolated ancient tribes in India and Australian aboriginals” (Quote: Prof Dr Satish Kumar). Ancient endo cast skulls have been found, strange Flat-Head skulls, others of very different ancestry from Kow Swamp, Nacurrie, Coobool Creek, Cohuna, Lake Mungo. Tasmanian Aborigines were Papuan Ulotrichi referred to by Professor Alfred Cort Haddon in his book, ‘The Races of Man’. We have photographs of the 'little people' (150 cm) of the Kuranda rainforest.

[@Bxlxuxexyx]

That’s not the reason!!!. I think these “white Indigenous” people are feeling more comfortable about claiming their (whatever little there is) heritage because it’s now more fashionable to own it and Indigenous people are starting to make headway becoming more prominent, educated in the professional sense and visible in society. That’s how it’s works, you don’t want to know people while they’re down and in the gutter but now it’s more acceptable. Aboriginal people would love the quality of life, the wealth, the freedom to go where whites are free to go without being discriminated and rejected and feeling unwelcome. Even standing in line at a coffee shop and the server looking right past the black person to the next white, while asking who’s next, and the black customer and white one knowing full well who that server is preferring to serve next. So don’t fking talk to me about being treated the same!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@BernhardGolz]

Let's be Australian. I feel racially vilified to be constantly told the house and land I wasted most of my life working for belongs to other people who may have lived there 200 years ago or others who wish to argue about it. Let's use Australian Law, it's yours if you have the title deeds.

[@robertaustralia1196]

The job you have ypu didn't work for it was given to you. Yes europeans are given jobs as soon as they leave school and are allowed the chance to build generational wealth we are not so lucky. Our land was stolen and our people were slaughtered so that europeans like you can thrive today. Laws put in place by white supremacists punished our people like we weren't allowed to own land in most states until November 1978. And the truth is over 90% of european owned businesses have never hired indigenous people. So the cycle continues of white supremacists and white privilege. All we wamt is the same advantages europeans benefit from we want to be able to send our kids to universities as well we want to be able to pay solicitors to keep our kids out of jail like europeans do we want to be able to walk down the street without police illegally searching us. Is that too much to ask that we get the same as europeans.... it is europeans hate seeing others get the same as them. Whit privilege and white supremacy needs to stop in this country.

[@davidmackieson4609]

An still then under the current government you can think it is but at the same time helping the WEF push it's you'll own nothing an be happy an later they've had no problem taking away what ppl thinks there's

[@mareeauld5778]

Same problem in NZ

[@shelleymonkland8996]

The vote is not about Aboriginal people coming in and taking everyone's home or properties.

[@MrBarefoot09]

And now these people who have been granted a huge chunk of land are going to sell it for a property development and pocket the cash.

[@user-vw2ui6me5c]

My friend was fishing on the Murray river , authorities approached him checking lisence , he said he was Aboriginal , they said all good, walked away . This is an absolute circus now , thanks Albo😂

[@chrisruss9861]

It is distressing that they still hunt dugong.

[@jeffstorer]

Tell fisheries you identify as. A shark,then follow em around asking if their catching anything,keeps Em away

[@nigelmorgan3449]

@@chrisruss9861and turtles

[@MRFIXIT3895]

@@chrisruss9861 and using outboard motors and guns ??

[@joycekennedy5252]

No, we have rights to fish on our waterways...before albanese came pm...get your facts straight fool...

[@davidhastings7714]

DNA tests will sort this BS out

[@lulurosenkrantz3720]

Why does 1% aboriginal & 99% white make one aboriginal ?

[@luckyja1]

Relatives takin away from them so these ppl have a choice, it's not for anyone to decide that for them.

[@davidhastings7714]

provable facts or dreamtime I'll trust the DNA thanks

[@prakashdayanandan3176]

Thats the 1st thing we should vote on .not the voice

[@alishabab3]

@@lulurosenkrantz3720 correct.. I got greek heritage and scottish heritage but Im australian. I say im australian, I don't go around saying im greek or scottish cause its only a very small part of me.. its so stupid that there is people saying they are aboriginal when they prob only have 5-10% or less in them..

[@michaelfrugtniet6685]

so fed up with these "identified" as an Aboriginal.....

[@fotinijohnson7831]

When you vote, write the word NO with a pen. Do not tick or cross.

[@wperfect]

You could argue the whole world is aboriginal land & vice versa. Racist politics get racist results

[@shieldmaiden3986]

But it’s not so your comment has zero meaning.

[@wperfect]

@@shieldmaiden3986 sure it is, your reply is meaningless

[@lukei6255]

The British tried to do that.

[@julzhunt7790]

Exactly. The definition of Aboriginal is just the ‘original inhabitant of a land’ so we are literally ALL Aboriginals to somewhere.

[@bridgettecampbell1018]

Everyone is an indigenous person. EVERYONE is a descendant from a first person somwhere. In the main they dont make it a way of life.

[@KittyWhiplash959]

An example of how tied up claims and arguments will get if voice goes through. It is worrying.

[@garyjohnstone6422]

if it wins there will be a lot of trouble, eventually violence.

[@shaneclarence6696]

It's not us you need to worry about it's the UN.,. And through anthropology the government know who owns which land and have for the past 50 years.,. It's just the government playing games with the truth like always they give the money to the wrong people

[@cobar5342]

That is exactly what the far left wants@@garyjohnstone6422

[@thecelt4807]

you'll wake up one day and realize all this and whats going on is a DISTRACTION TO SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON . most people travel from cradle to grave oblivious distracted guided over here while the real agenda most wont even see of know it . people really are sheep , i gave up trying to inform them for 16 years even with evidence ...they belaive what the official man or women in a white coat tells them on the tell a lie vision (television)

[@jamieorourke767]

I take it the voice didn't win😅

[@johnschannel449]

If for example the government wants to build a new road, overnight a group of people claiming to be aboriginal appear out of no where and set up a land council and say they want $10 million for the road to be allowed to go ahead

[@jamesgowing3856]

How complicated is it to confirm you are aboriginal? It is a complete mess. In 100 years how many aboriginal descendants are going to be living as an aboriginal? On the other hand we cannot accept every random person who claims to be aboriginal either. This highlights the mess the labor government is getting into when trying to introduce the voice in Australia.

[@glennlawson5289]

I have native blood in my system ,I never claim to be indigenous for benefits or for education purposes. As far as I'm concerned I'm Australian .All for one 1⃣ for all

[@jamesgowing3856]

@@glennlawson5289 I like your outlook. Every Australian living in Australia today is part of our history and future. Everyone that needs a leg up in Australia needs support from all those that are doing well in life. The support shouldn't be based on race.

[@bobworimi1225]

Its not hard at all to conferm aboriginally

[@jilljill7647]

it is not hard and it isn't. That is why these two were called out

[@jamesgowing3856]

@@jilljill7647 Rubbish. To confirm that you are aboriginal will get harder with each new generation. The voice will have no meaning in a couple of more generations for many Australians. Only those that want to gorge on the hard work of others will say they are part of the voice. In fact so much corruption will exist that Australian society will be greatly diminished. Surely you can see what has happened in Russia with oligarchs running the show. Vote NO to the racist voice.

[@dilligafwoftam985]

So to be clear the "Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council" PAID for this land? With whose money? This 'native title' rubbish does NOT allow them to sell or borrow against the land.

[@hahaha9076]

I worked with a white new Zealander that claimed aboriginal status in Australia. He says it was as easy as just claiming it.

[@ladytammy6886]

As if.. hes kiwi not Australian aboriginal..

[@sandrafinbar]

@@ladytammy6886 it doesn't matter. He can claim anything and get away with it. Many are doing it for what they can get.

[@oysterman962]

I once had a blonde haired blue eyed school mate who got into university to study medicine even though he technically did not get the test results to gain entrance. However he was able to somehow prove he was 16th part Aboriginal to benefit from the pass mark concession. This was 20 years ago. Don't tell me they don't already get education or health benefits. The referendum is a waste of money.

[@leeannekennedy4659]

AHHH so we can't enter their land BUT they are free to enter and break-in into our properties/land.

[@stevep9041]

Follow the money.

[@djpodesta]

I hope that this ‘cat among the pigeons’ discussion burns across our nation like a wild fire.

[@Ga7cun7sSUCK]

You can only imagine the mess the voice is going to cause with all these grifters tring to take the land. One nation, one flag, one government.

[@judithjackaman9058]

If everyone in Australia ticked yes in the little box, ( asking are you Aboriginal ) That would stuff up the Govnement. 😂😂

[@_random_dude]

Albo would have a meltdown.

[@pamelakinnane1863]

If the yes vote wins, (and I hope it doesn't) that is exactly what we all should do. 🤔

[@treblesix8730]

@@_random_dude ...and the economy would collapse shortly afterwards....

[@CC-uq4hu]

They need dna tests to prove aboriginal identity if claiming land via race basis. There has to be verifiable information to claim imho.

[@garyjohnstone6422]

none have any right to claim anything

[@tevitak7032]

And if test is negative, jail time is required.

[@adriandocherty778]

What about dna testing to be Australian??

[@raymondwilliams5661]

To right mate 👍

[@AmandaGardner-cv4gy]

it also needs to be decided what % of DNA qualifies a person to be called indigenous. if a 50%, and a 25% person were going for the same say university grant, does the 50% person have more right as being purer blood? a person on disability MUST prove medically they are disabled, surely a white person should have to prove they are Indigenous?

[@MGB618]

I recommend they need to change the law about aboriginal descendants, meaning unless you are born directly by two full blooded indigenous mother & father you are not simply aboriginal, and if you are? you need to be proven your disadvantaged by it, financially or welfare/health reasons otherwise you don’t qualify to receive any special concessions at all. It’s about time we start living in the future, we need to be as one and not divided to have fairness for all Australians black & white.

[@shieldmaiden3986]

Thank god you are not in parliament. It’s people with deformed ideals like yours that have disadvantaged true custodians of this country. What special benefits do Indigenous people get.

[@christenedoering7720]

agreed tottally otherwise it never ends.

[@christenedoering7720]

@@navarrenavarre the claims.

[@josephine4611]

Someone shouldn't be more another culture then aboriginal getting financial assistance.. why is someone 1/4 aboriginal getting financial assistance at all..

[@adriandocherty778]

If they start with they are a percentage or identify as pretty much sums it up!!😂🤣

[@mariodimauro6208]

How does lidia thorpe tick all the boxes these laws need to be clarified

[@patrickjohnson8741]

Shes NOT Aboriginal - at best 50% as her father is WHITE.

[@patrickjohnson8741]

@@navarrenavarre TRUTH !!!!

[@vicbittertoo]

spot on, did you see the intrview with her father ?, :):):)

[@blake9358]

Only full blood Aboriginal people should be classed as Aboriginal

[@BrucePotter]

As we provide special benefit to Aboriginal people, as we have widespread race fraud and an uptake of false people identifying as Aboriginal we must have a system to unequivocally identify individuals as having Aboriginal ancestry. Politicians subverting this process should be condemned.

[@richardreweti8671]

Somewhat difficult with the stolen generation.

[@peterkelly6146]

Does DNA testing give % of, if any indigenous bloodline? Sad to think all the indigenous people of the northern beaches are extinct, that’s how Manly got its name after the indigenous men chased off the convicts looking for thatching

[@shanebarlow7697]

Here we go another idiot who didn't listen to the interview. We already do have a system and it's called "Confirmation of Aboriginality". YOU HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED BY A CLAN OR TRIBE. Do some research

[@missinterpreted4923]

Sam Kerr id's as aboriginal although her father is anglo/indian and her mother is filipina

[@jframe-os2zi]

Exposed, condemned and Fined$$$ for fraud!!!

[@cailltelorgaireuaighean7399]

A long time ago, I spoke at the Sacred Fire at "The Gathering of the Eagles" where there were leaders & Medicine Men from tribes all over the world. A native American taught us the meaning of the Lakota phrase "Mitákuye Oyás’iŋ" The phrase translates in English as "all my relatives," "we are all related," or "all my relations." It is a prayer of oneness and harmony with all forms of life: other people, animals, birds, insects, trees and plants, and even rocks, rivers, mountains and valleys. It reflects the world view of interconnectedness held by the Lakota people of North America. The Labor party has WASTED a s**tload of taxpayers money that could have been spent on health, education etc. I assume Albanese is doing this to distract Australians from the real issues affecting our country. If passed, the Voice would give a small group, presumably controlled by Labor, the power to hold up legislation proposed by any future Coalition Government. This would ensure that Labor would soon be returned to power. The Marxist ideology of the Labor party is not about giving a Voice to anyone. It is about entrenching itself in power, nothing more. In the spirit of the Lakota phrase "Mitákuye Oyás’iŋ" ( " We are all united"), leave the past behind and focus on the real challenges that face Australia today. One Australia for ALL Australian citizens. Don't be distracted by the fabricated narratives of politicians & reject their attempts at social engineering. Oha Mitákuye Oyás’iŋ

[@robertprentice3359]

If you want to see how giving a group of people a special vote worked out just go to Northern Ireland and see how they’re going. The words from the guide on the political tour in Belfast should resonate in our ears and they were “ we all need to let go of the past and go forward together as one people. That’s the only way we can make a good future together”

[@kellysouter4381]

We can look at South Africa too.

[@tnytyson]

I think I am one millionth aboriginal. Bi the way how about the Yowie I am well believe. YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST NATION. ACCORDING TO your own . Take me on further

[@QPRTokyo]

Passed as an aboriginal. Sounds like a certain Austrian in the 1930s. Woke only divides.

[@eclecticsoul2359]

@@tnytysonthey came from Polynesia, definitely not 1st Nation, they committed total genocide upon The Australian Pygmy’s.

[@eclecticsoul2359]

@@MRFIXIT3895 exactly 👍🏻, if we keep agreeing to live in the past, how far do we go back and at what cost. History, it seems is interpretable and can be twisted to suit. My forefathers & mothers, where kidnapped at gun point, beaten, starved, taken to a inhospitable land, held hostage for 10years and forced into slave labour. Surly my convict heritage must equate to being a “Stolen Generation”. Let’s not forget inter generational trauma is a thing. Btw, I’m being sarcastic. 🙃

[@barefootbandit1]

Anyone who is not born a pure blood Aboriginal should not have any rights to claim to be Aboriginal.

[@kimturner2105]

Well, early white settlers made sure that cannot happen. Are you serious? Wow, very sad to be you.

[@harryfredricks3627]

Great reason to VOTE NO as his is all about race identification, and yet there are so so many people now claiming that they are in the hope to jump on the gravy train. Meanwhile back in Alice Springs ......

[@jmcham1000]

Nathan Moran has pointed out very clearly and concisely what the steps that must be take to LEGALLY have claim of Aboriginal lineage.

[@scottjones6921]

Except that some Land Councils deny that the traditional descedants are actual descendants of the traditional owners.

[@techo61]

@@scottjones6921 What do you mean 'traditional owners'? Indigenous people had no concept of land ownership before European settlement. So this whole argument about land being stolen from aboriginal land 'occupiers' is a farce. If anyone were to be serious about European settlement in this country, it is that the establishment of a unifying government (not tribe) ensured land access and rights may be shared and accounted for fairly among all citizens, indigenous and otherwise.

[@kathysangel56]

Your correct

[@scottjones6921]

@@techo61 Not true, they had a concept of tribal area and the fought to keep others out of their traditional lands. They also had arrangements with neighbouring mobs to share some resources, seasonally, hold corroborees, intermarry and to fight together against other invaders. So I would say they had traditional ownership of their lands. They just didn't own a block of land and live in the one place as the Europeans did. Whether native title can coexist with modern land ownership would depend on how much land and which land was taken from them, and what rights Europeans had to settle in the country. Did their native title exclude Europeans from settling in the country? It appears that Mabo and Wik decided this and since then various governments have been handing back land to the Land Councils.

[@garyjohnstone6422]

yeah, say you are black and you are

[@youbigtubership]

If an indigenous person can look like a caucasian, then they can also look like a Chinese or Indian or Tibetan...and they could have loyalties reflecting their non-Australian ancestors. How long do you think it woukd take for Communist China to buy the approval process from indigenous community elders? 2 months? Three?

[@AmandaGardner-cv4gy]

i wouldn't be at all surprised to learn China has already offered Aboriginal leaders large sums of future cash for mining rights, provided they can get access to the land and nullify existing mining leases.

[@youbigtubership]

@@AmandaGardner-cv4gy Definitely has. A few decades ago I read a story about a Chinese fishing boat coming to the NT. A fisherman on the boat married the daughter of a local Aboriginal elder. Not long afterwards, the tribe was granted Native Title which gave them control over an LPG deposit worth estimated $60 billion. So his Chinese-Aboriginal descendants stood to become richer than 99.99% of Australian kids, and they'd still get privileged access to Parliament and Executive. Fair? Hardly. That fraud that all Aborigines are poor so need special access to Parliament through a voice is a disgrace.

[@user-vw2ui6me5c]

What a bloody joke 😂😂😂

[@AC-mq6ll]

If this voice passes - there will be so many more claiming to be indigenous.

[@selwyn500]

Thieves is all they are. Absolutely disgusting, and that politician in on it for a cut of the action.

[@angusbull9685]

Commies, who are thieves by stealth anyway!

[@harrywalker968]

you remember hindmarsh island,, i knew that was bs from day 1..

[@angusbull9685]

@@harrywalker968Secret women's business! It was seen for what it was, as bridge went ahead.

[@xpusostomos]

The 3 part test is a circular test. To be aboriginal, the "community" has to regard you as aboriginal. But what aboriginal community, who is the aboriginal community? How do we know THEY are aboriginal? If there are multiple competing claims to be the aboriginal community, who is right? There is no legal answer to these questions.

[@treblesix8730]

Base it on the method of getting a passport for the land of your ancestors. If your ancestors landed here on the first fleet, bad luck too far back. If a Grandparent can be traced to the land of your ancestors then bingo, you're in!

[@reneperin8742]

Wait a minute, an Indigenous person is one who is born in Australia has an Australian birth certificate, there is a difference between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders, and Indigenous to our country, I hope these two take it to the high court and teach the government, they are not claiming to be Aboriginal, only claiming to be Indigenous, The government need to address their wording and get it right

[@user-fr8jf3hw1k]

This is just the start to all the mess this is going to cause what are they doing. This is the worse our country has been who wants to go back 150 We are all Australians

[@The_Stoic_PhilosopherAU]

How did they get the land? I bet they didn’t pay for it!

[@joycekennedy5252]

They owned the land before invasion fool...

[@elainehodge9415]

The land was taken from the original pygmies peoples, they annihilated and hunted them until there was none left.

[@elainehodge9415]

​@@joycekennedy5252you're the bigger fool for believing there was an invasion.

[@namewithheld8115]

@@joycekennedy5252 Fighting for land was the traditional way of establishing ownership of it prior to European arrival. The Europeans conformed to local customs and acquired the land in the accepted, traditional way: they started using it and resisted any attackers.

[@ziggyhogan7560]

Our stupid government decided aboriginals could just claim it then sell it. Land which was national park

[@jamesglenn4266]

As Alex Antic asked a committee in the Senate "who is it that decides who is Aboriginal and how do they do it ?

[@kellysouter4381]

Pauline Hanson suggested testing and was screamed down

[@josephine4611]

​@@kellysouter4381 ridiculous that we aren't even allowed to get proof.. this voice better not go through, or we're screwed..

[@nathanbrowne2800]

This is going to open up cans of worms all over Australia. Vote NO .

[@haroldblakeley9939]

GOVERNMENT NOT GOVERNING A referendum put to the people by a government should not have support for either side with a tricky voting paper possibly leaning to the government‘s preference. I was watching a program on You Tube where this smart indigenous bloke has managed to control the royalty payments of many millions of dollars for himself and his cronies. This bloke has a helicopter at his back door so it is easy to visit one of his four wives - Has he declared this to Centrelink? If it wasn‘t true you wouldn‘t believe it! The government has failed the majority of indigenous people by knowingly allowing rorts like this to occur and the failure to repair said going‘s on. No wonder 300 thousand white people have said they are indigenous! It is lucky this is not in the Constitution as repair would not be available.

[@BernhardGolz]

Should be able to freely choose NO without Govt. pressure and tricks.

[@josa9902]

WRITE NO on the ballot paper to stop this.

[@783342]

All blessings to 2GB for allowing comments, which just about every other platform in Australia does not have the courage to do.

[@champagnegirl3093]

Australia taxpayers give approx 40 billion a year to aboriginal groups WHERE DOES THE40 billion GO??

[@paulmarshall248]

your wrong nothing goes to the aboriginal groups that money goes straight to the fake aboriginals and the fake aboriginal industry running costs ..

[@dukkman010]

Old mate speaks very well.

[@dinkydi172]

Who paid for the land and who's money. Or was it just handed to them by the bleeding heart's.

[@mrtjpeno1141]

Well done Mr Moran. Well said

[@benwight4992]

Great Work Ben, keep it up! Mr Moran also spoke clear and factually. Bloody Good Job!!!

[@lesteraizlewood8457]

These people would be only a couple of many who will claim to be aboriginal in the hope of getting the big handout under false pretences. Bring out the DNA kits and lay it on the line.

[@anthonyburke5656]

Anyone remember Mr. Man sell in Tasmania? He was the self appointed leader of Tasmanian aboriginals, until someone did a genealogy search and found out he was descended from an American black man who fathered a child in WW2.

[@patrickjohnson8741]

DNA TEST- 51% Aboriginal or no benefits. This will separate the chard from the weat and do good for both sides.

[@josephine4611]

An end to a forever pay out is needed.. how did we come to the decision to pay for life..

[@Bxlxuxexyx]

No one wants the white side. They already have a system in place for ID.

[@tomcruise7095]

At the end he said it’s illegal to offer up our land without our consent? Well that’s actually funny because those same politicians gave you that land without the Australian peoples consent…. Just saying….

[@joycekennedy5252]

The land was taken from aboriginal people without consent. Go figure.

[@sharongoodsell9341]

I don't remember voting if they deserve free houses Forever, which they got

[@julzhunt7790]

@@joycekennedy5252 Which throughout history has happened WORLDWIDE. So what is your point? WE are Australian. To vote Yes to the Voice is divisive and racist. VOTE NO

[@marcpaola1371]

​@joycekennedy5252 and the currant 1st nations stole it off the original indigenous peoples who were hear before them.

[@johnschannel449]

if voice passes you will have to pay your local aborignal land council each time you want to go to your local beach or park

[@barrywebb6137]

Rubbish!!

[@outbackgearforu]

Or go into a reserve ,extra on fishing licenses,gun licenses,permits for where ever and what ever,dipping into super accounts ,the theft and graft is endless,this is the stuff of a civil war ,taxation without representation

[@adriandocherty778]

Which local aboriginal land council have u usually paid to?

[@melanieparis8697]

Yep

[@lauriedmills7581]

Make me…

[@keithmitchell3282]

no DNA testing, no free money

[@duncaninglis5407]

It’s ridiculous these days mate I’m old enough to remember when black fellas were black.

[@Antipodean33]

Oh dear this dude seen a photo and claims to be aboriginal and related to Bungarry, but obviously didn't know Australian history. Bungarry was basically an aboriginal ambassador for Flinders who traveled with Flinders and as this fella said wasn't from that region of Australia

[@garydavo07]

Welcome to the voice!

[@Mr310148]

My step mother was aboriginal,does that make me aboriginal?

[@KellyJones-yh3ww]

Great conversation guys Keep up the good work

[@scottatkinson4937]

The comment that being genetically related to an aboriginal does not make you aboriginal, shows the insanity of the entire aboriginal itself debate. We are Australian not aboriginal and non-aboriginal... NO,NO,NO

[@jarratlane4626]

Yes, my wife worked for Bremer TAFE in Ipswich, she is indigenous and she was employed as the indigenous coordinator around 2008 - 2010. She has had people of indian decent coming in to see her to be admitted to the TAFE as an indigenous person when they clearly were not and she redirected them to the mainstream area which still put them down as indigenous on the forms when those who did that have no right to except them as indigenous of this land

[@Maxindifference]

If you were born in Australia, you are indigenous to Australia

[@jarratlane4626]

@@Maxindifference no your not

[@tomchekotevski9105]

Looking at him I think he is related to Homer Simpson. LoL

[@kevinstenton9359]

Vote no.

[@MrSoloun]

Listen up people, if you vote YES for the voice this is what you're voting for.

[@kennethbell-hn9zv]

It's virtually a national park.

[@retrobilly1986]

It’s always, I want , I want , I want. One day there might be any more to give. They have been given trillions over the years and what have they done with it. Some have gotten rich out of this but most have not advance one iota. But on the other hand a lot have just gotten on with it and made a modern day life for themselves. The jig is up.

[@mccallsensei3293]

This should be a serious wake-up call for all people. Always been a NO vote for me!

[@jennypalmer331]

People claiming they are Aboriginal and are not should be charged

[@shanehansen3705]

this sounds like a DNA test would sort this out but it also bodes poorly for the voice as how much squabbling will be about the right to be on the voice

[@lennyleapsin5477]

I did an Ancestry DNA test and found out that I am 85% English (Staffordshire, Cheshire), 7% Scandinavian, 4% Irish and 4% Welsh. Why can't these two chaps to DNA tests It only requires payment of $100 to the lab and a saliva sample...

[@chrisreynolds352]

There is no test for aboriginality, if there was I would take it, both sides of my family, two different areas, so I'm in no man's land.

[@julzhunt7790]

So you’re a British Aboriginal.😊

[@jeremyh.pritchard5325]

​@@julzhunt7790 Yes, we should send him back to England under neck and leg chain, aboard a leaky ship, where he can land and lay claim to a nice part of England. :-))

[@resiefan3258]

@@chrisreynolds352 if your legitimately aboriginal then your DNA test should say your Dna is from around Oceanania particularly Australia. I have a small % of dna directly from Nigeria of all places yet I'm less white than most Aboriginals 🤣🤣🤣

[@redhammer9910]

Some clarification. Are Aboriginals the same as Aboriginie's ? Next. From memory the Mabo decision was that Aboriginie's who were able to show continuous presence on the land of their ancestors were qualified to claim native title. All I ever see from the east coast are white people who are more akin to a European ancestry and many of them no doubt direct decendents from those accused by the likes of Thorpe and Burnie as being the perpetrators of the " invasion " now fighting for special treatment. How can they argue the case such people have a right to anything let alone claim they represent the Aboriginie's ? One would be forgiven if you thought the Aboriginie's are extinct but they are not. Now you end up in this situation where current " Aboriginals" with a European decent and their so called inherited right are able to sell their inheritance for profit which will invariably be spent leaving nothing for future generations. This is just a rort.

[@josephine4611]

Shouldn't get anything if your less than 50%..

[@redhammer9910]

You shouldn't be recognised as an Aboriginie unless you are an Aboriginie. The ABS points out correctly there are less than 40,000 Tribesmen left, that is full blood Aboriginal. These government funded tribal communities are by far the most neglected people in Australia. The church run tribal communities fare considerably better, particularly in Western Australia. These Aboriginal activists and the virtue signalling victimhood social constructs they have created are a scam and the Tribesmen don't trust them. As a West Australian who had worked with the Tribesmen for 45 years I scoff at their fabricated claims they care about the Tribesmen. In so far as our profoundly corrupt media is concerned both left and right of the political BS they propagate, these clowns wouldn't have a God damned clue who the Tribesmen are. I don't think the majority of people on the east coast even realise the Aboriginie's have jet black skin and more, english is not their first language not least that they still hold on to their belief systems. Which I might add are not respected by this Voice scam. How can you claim respect for the culture when you state the election of office bearers will be conducted on the principal of equality when tribal Aboriginies are a patriarchal culture, women and the uninitiated have no say in their decisions and certainly not some hand bag carrying pink haired white boy living in Sydney who's only link to their Aboriginal heritage goes back a hundred years. In that case and as Aboriginie's until 1967 had no birth records their claims cannot be varified. Even here in WA we still have thousands of Tribesmen who's births are not registered. The whole deal is a power and money grab by people who are better identified with the very settlers who they themselves proclaim are the perpetrators, it's an absolute joke. By the very election processes of the Voice the Tribesmen are excluded from holding key central committee positions. It's all BS and serves to diminish the importance of these remaining Tribesmen even further making them more vulnerable to corporate control via Canberra. Disgraceful ?

[@ronnorman1409]

Vote no!

[@muzerino]

If you had two jars of money with “European” written on one and “Aboriginal” on the other, and the European jar was full of $50’s and the “Aboriginal” one was half full of $10’s, I guarantee these people would be saying they are European. I reckon you should be a minimum of 50% Aboriginal to claim you are Aboriginal. You can’t put a set of Ferrari wheels on a Camry and suddenly be driving an Italian sports car.

[@josephine4611]

Agreed.. how do you claim for getting paid, when you're majority the same as everyone else having to pay..

[@billsheridan7287]

Sounds like they are fighting amongst themselves

[@markrockliff2742]

Uncle Neil and Uncle Dennis are wise land developers and seek to do good via money making. They are not laying flat.

[@patricelauverjon2856]

NOT A GAP, AN ABBYS! Indeed the positive aspect of the Voice is the importance of dealing with and respecting traditions. This is not saying that deleting or manipulated more recent History helps in that direction. Another gap generated is the absence of Aboriginal Culture in Australian Curriculum and Education in general, and the sudden priority attached to such knowledge. Everything relating to 'First Nation' People has been orientated towards distracting. The depth of Country attachments, when mentioned or displayed in Art Galeries, is done as if there are as 'obvious' as abstract Arts! In a way it is true that repeated exposure to this type of Arts and Country lead to cliose Identity with the Land, but a minority of Citizens have these opportunities, the least of whom are city dwellers. Well felt and analysed conceptions are catching more and more dust, and it is on this blurred vision that a Referendum is based, which should not have been allowed to happen because this very old Culture is out of Legislative and Poliitical grounds Science is seen as being prioritised, but trials and errors should not take place at the expenses of any Nation. Legislation should not be based on amplifying conflicts as 'achieved globally by woke. Sociological studies referring to dysfunctions, relating to the topics mentioned here, taking place at local levels, and being let happen, would put to light if happening at National Level. There is something right about a need for further investigations, and working in depth accordingly, but the Voice goes in the opposite direction to what is mentioned. We are not talking here about 1 or 26 pages document, and 10 years of work, but a monumental amount of studies AND decades of work past, present and future are required. It has taken me 40 years to get to the conclusions I share, and this is only a very, very tiny glimpse of what is required mostly as we keep getting distracted globally and locally away from the roots of Human behaviours.

[@gregmayo6987]

How many others are claiming to be Aboriginal that aren't? I know of at least two family's who are claiming threw Centrelink that they are with no factul proff

[@interestedobserver587]

But can they spell? *families *through *factual *proof

[@johndifrancesco8333]

So is the private Aboriginal company funding the building with their private money, or does the tax payer have too

[@josephine4611]

Exactly.. live on the land like you did before us horrible settlers came.. about time we settle at a cost and stoo this forever payment on the heads of ppl who had nothing to do with coming here.. sick of an unknown future because I was born here, but not born of the right blood..

[@RAM_845]

VOTE NO! It's going to be abused

[@TonySmith-jj9fv]

Who would have guessed that land claims would descend into a racket?

[@bobmitchell8012]

They are direct descendants of the Smellabuck Tribe.......

[@seattime4075]

Bound to happen when there is lots of free money involved.. this will go ballistic if the 'voice' gets up.

[@Iwishiwasflying]

When arrested by police you don’t have to prove Aboriginal status to get Aboriginal legal service. You don’t have to prove to Centrelink when claiming you’re Aboriginal. IF this gets through everyone needs to say they are Aboriginal, if they say you aren’t sue people for racism

[@marc7214]

Love your work Ben. Your fair logical and facts based.

[@pamelawaller4955]

He stated that to have an aboriginal ancestor doesn’t make one an aboriginal ‘.

[@markreynolds7635]

😂 Well that will do me, I'm becoming an Aboriginal too.😢

[@vincentpadula4543]

What a perfect example of people trying to appropriate Aboriginal Heritage - shut them down, prosecute them !!

[@carolinemcnulty6169]

It's going to come down to how much Aboriginal blood you have. And the Voice isn't even enacted yet. Wait until there is real money to be gained.

[@jimcockburn4652]

But it's such a beautiful piece of land, don't you think that there is enough cleared country without taking bulldozers and other earthmoving equipment to more of it. Don't local council have bans on removing trees, I know that if I want to remove a tree an application needs to be submitted and the shire council gives permission or denies permission

[@pauljones3470]

The problem with the 3 point test is that it can be used as a weapon... for example, you may have a person who does have aboriginal lineage but was brought up without the culture and traditions, and the aboriginal community can just say no we dont accept you and they fail the test legally, however they are infact of aboriginal decent. Its a very clever system that allows the aboriginal corporations the ability to pick and choose. Further more i wonder just how much of any funds aquired are actually dipersed among the aboriginal community or is it just a select luck few who manage it all..... i guess nobody would want to open that can of worms...

[@adriandocherty778]

Why do you now want to be aboriginal? U also speaking of funds is also a red flag 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@pauljones3470]

@adriandocherty778 I don't recall ever saying I want to be Aboriginal. I'm pointing out the flaws in the 3 point ID process. As for funds, it is clearly documented that the Aboriginal corporations have certainly withheld funds from community members, I was commenting on the corruption and misappropriation of funds that has and is being allowed to happen. This is why, in my humble opinion the voice should not go ahead and more focus placed on equality and targeted assistance for the vulnerable be they black, white ot otherwise. The only way to achieve equality for all is to remove race, colour, and gender from the conversation and recognise we are all people. This is a topic that will go one for years.

[@gregwaghorn8496]

3 part test.... Criminal record, an alcoholic, blame Australian's for there stupid decision's.

[@paranoidballoon8190]

Well that's politicians The World over I'm afraid.

[@101sharko]

Wow... vote NO and save Australia

[@stilllooking7996]

I love Sydney! Only place to make Danistan residents to feel sane.

[@pamelakinnane1863]

The Australian aboriginal race, has now become the fastest growing race in the world. All scrambling to board the Australian taxpayer funded gravy train.

[@setildes]

WE MUST VOTE NO, and stop this con job.