THEY BROKE DRUID AGAIN. Crazy ramp!! Big Taunts! | Paradise Review #18

[@spookypoker3747]

> ban whelp > add even better ramp cards nice

[@MinoriGaming]

New ramp isn’t insanely easy to tutor and/or generate more of, therein lies the difference.

[@awesomepossomist]

Whelp is one of the best ramp cards they’ve printed tbf

[@Agdur91]

Imagine thinking that these cards are better than whelp xD

[@norbelarchilla5578]

I can't wait for Mark to try to get to the highest mana possible in wild. With Solar Eclipse, having multiple ways to copy New Heights and reaching maximum mana just to Peddler win at the end

[@gibreel1978]

Good luck at finale-ing him though…

[@WipZedKay]

Wake up babe, they printed Guff 2!

[@fragniz]

Yeah, as a Wild player who runs Guff in a deck, I can't wait to run 30+ mana in a turn lol. Also I run a couple refreshes, so there's the disgusting high roll possibility of running 60+ mana turns.

[@sethotto2826]

@@fragnizis there enough time in a turn for that madness?

[@gTuya11]

Cant wait for the Marky vid on this

[@ScarletSpartan_]

Druid getting overpowered cards every set - the most painful joke that’s as old as Knights of the Frozen Throne

[@gTuya11]

Yet druid is never consistently in top 5 of meta. Always Paly, DH, Hunter, and now DK and warrior but other time easily bested by Rogue and Mage

[@skyemerald4833]

Frozen in alrerac valley*

[@peshomighty5051]

I am four mana. Taz'dingo! Ye-e-es! "Lteddys meme Sen'jin Shieldmasta"

[@kripperinoobviousino6019]

​@@gTuya11wth are u talking about? Druid has been one of the best classes for many years just not lately. Hunter, mage and warrior has had metas were they weren't in the top yet Druid always stayed consistent

[@sheildingepicness]

People try not to complain about Druid challenge (impossible)

[@paulomatute4114]

Me when the enemy is at 15 mana crystals out of 25 Max mana crystal (its turn 4)

[@Satherian]

Warrior getting access to mana ramping like New Heights is really interesting. Druid getting it too sucks, but I guess that's to be expected

[@ketchubb]

I think warrior won't want to play it. Aggression is slated to be really strong and it's a 3 mana wild growth, it's really slow. Turn four is when you drop speaker stomper and prevent them from doing anything anyways.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

​@@ketchubbwth plays speaker stomper? Other than Painlock, a rather rare deck on the ladder, no one. And unless there appear some busted OTK spell deck I don't see it getting any moee popular tech card.

[@ketchubb]

@@sathrielsatanson666 you clearly arent in legend. speaker stomper is one of the only ways to solidify an early board against control or even midrange decks. just because there arent many decks that use it doesnt mean its not good enough to fit into early aggro strats. it is one of the best cards in the game rn. if paladin wasnt holding their minions for the weapon on 3, they would run it. druid didnt run it because doomkin does essentially the same thing while ramping them which allows them to just tempo out minion after minion while still drawing. aside from pain, paladin, and druid (rest is peace whelp) there arent any board based strats in the meta rn. speaker stomper is one of the highest win rate when played on 4 cards in control/tempo MUs for pain. it is an incredible card but REQUIRES an early board which pain is the only deck that does it well. acting like it isnt good enough for those decks is a joke, it just doesnt synergize with their optimal hands but that doesnt mean they wouldnt love to have it sometimes. if i play malefic rook on 3 and stomper on 4, its almost always gg.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@ketchubb well, you can write an elegy but it doesn't change the fact: Speaker Stomper is not a popular card and hence not a consideration when judging the meta: it is in less than 5 percent of the decks. So stop strawmaning and ad hominem-ing. Speaker Stomper is almost non existent in current meta and unless a new fast OTK deck emerges it still will be.

[@ketchubb]

@@sathrielsatanson666 elegy? Really? Do you know what any of what you just said even means?

[@Grumpiergoat]

Serious question: when was the last time Druid was bad? It feels like it's been super-busted for years now.

[@dannylight7022]

Blizzard clearly have favorite classes in hs, those are druid and warlock. Warlock is busted with demon seed and ruins wild for chill control players but they still keep printing support FOR A WILD DECK THAT IS BROKEN and now they print more ramp and mana cheat for druid...

[@mastegoh7139]

During Karazhan ig? If you werent playing shaman, your deck had a 40% winrate back then (until spirit claws got nerfed).

[@ancient7716]

​@@dannylight7022paladin*

[@ryanbarry34]

​@@dannylight7022demon seed aside I don't see warlock getting as consistently busted cards as druid or some other classes even.

[@kanegregory5779]

​@@ancient7716 Yeah, Paladin has been a clear favorite of the devs ever since Scholomance, which was 4 years ago now. Other than Paladin, the only other class that has been consistently great for that long has been Hunter. Warrior seems to have recently joined the fold of beloved classes, but it's still too early to tell (could have just been a lucky run). Then there are the classes that constantly fluctuate in power (constantly going from broken to near unplayable): Druid, Rogue, and Warlock. I'm not sure they have the same love for these classes, I just think they don't know how to balance them.

[@Netheferious]

I can see that Regis has unlocked the Demon Hunter eyes

[@Plumerlly]

I wish Duels didn't get canned because a lot of the cards from this upcoming expansion look like they'd be fun to build around. I hope eventually they bring it back but for now I just need to keep grinding BGs.

[@PettyGamerBoy]

HOLY SH*T RAMP WITH NO CAP? I’ve said it like ten times but mark is gonna go hard with these. He’s probably gonna use this to replace Thaurisan once in a while too.

[@frogzx]

Don't worry guys, instead of actually hitting the problem Warrior and Druid cards we'll get a 13 mana Reno!

[@RawDealCo]

More ramp. yay.

[@treetz95]

This might be a win more combo, but Odyn Warrior can be even more nuts. Play 2 New Heights, then play Odyn then once you have 14 mana play 2 Sleep Under the Stars for 30 armor and 30 attack for an otk. Like I said it's probably win more, but still fun I think.

[@RenzZlax]

Honestly, Mistah Vistah was a missed opportunity to bring back secretly. Making the secret replay your cards or your opponents cards wouldve been cool

[@peshomighty5051]

I am four mana. Taz'dingo! Ye-e-es! "Lteddys meme Sen'jin Shieldmasta"

[@nolanmccune8982]

Druid feeling like it doesn’t need to have big mana taunt minions but the fact that it gets mage cards and ramp(past 10 mana) looks like spell damage would be more beneficial

[@shogunpug4071]

Insta crafts for druid because everything is definitely getting nerfed

[@jjrothan]

Was thinking this lol every craft for Druid is safe 😂

[@HDGaminTutorials]

I'd only worry about owl with the new spell damage card from mage other than that these cards look kinda just Okay....feel like handbuff paladin just poops all over these cards tbh

[@shogunpug4071]

@@HDGaminTutorials they're more than okay lol

[@TW-fs3fj]

So basically druid and warrior slot 2 Hydration Station and get 6 of the OP Ziliax now due to reborn?

[@Chimeraeateverything]

Just play priest and ananthul/yogg/reno their first one

[@HDGaminTutorials]

We need a take control of enemy mech card legendary whatever just something that steal unkillax besides yog

[@alexeygrankin8327]

There is a 99 mana gap on New Heights (in card's description)

[@RaventhortheWarrior]

Warrior tourist granting access to 3 extra max mana can bring back some disgusting highlander brann combos maybe? Control warrior shell with thogrunn or such? Just pure deck disruption with an option for a combo finisher?

[@californiabed810]

I think with how easy it can be for druid to play cards for 0, it makes some of these more expensive = too slow, not as good spells pretty great. With Marrin treasure -> 0 hydration station or a owl druid using sparkling phial to discount sleep under the stars to zero effectively giving them an easy combo turn, both feel super strong. Even the other less flashy taunt guards druid is getting are actually quite great. Tortollan Traveler is just an upgraded Treasure Guard (3 mana 1/5 naga with taunt that deathrattle: draw a card) which saw decent play and this card now reduces cost. In addition, the dozing dragon gives multiple turns of a taunt minion that enemies will have to get through and survives board clears, giving druid the extra turn or two it needs in the mid game to hit the max levels of mana where it rarely can be beat. Cruise Captain Lora and Hiking Trails locations themselves are seemingly the worst imo, and they are still very decent cards, effectively a 3 mana card to discover three times and a 7 mana 4/5 minion which, on average, will give you 6 mana worth of locations.

[@onegirltwojackets2835]

Everybody talking about druids crazy ramp meanwhile I'm genuinely tweaking just thinking about getting hit with 8 Dew Processes in Wild

[@drewkaplan7460]

In the flavor text for new heights it says the mana cap is 99.

[@PushkarSharma-f1p]

Made 26 minute video and posted it online within 20 minutes. Dammn Regis has to reverse time to get this done 🙏🙏

[@niklasaronsson5196]

Taking a wild guess here, whoever approved this expansion is a Druid main.

[@Druzio8]

It looks like my favorite legendary is coming back in Druid. Greybough res looks fun

[@augustosephas2543]

I was almost thinking of going back to heartstone but if druid will be this strong I think that I will pass

[@lrainwater1608]

Don’t forget warrior gets Druid cards too. So technically there’s now the Druid class and war- druid class

[@HDGaminTutorials]

Bram warrior with new heights makes me already wish I didn't pre-order tbh

[@jake384100]

If I remember correctly, how discount auras work according to some recent updates, then the boulder will actually go to zero when you hit 10 mana if you drew it with tortollan traveler. I think this makes them much more consistent to run together as you basically only lose one mana of the discount if you do end up drawing bouldering.0 vs 1 mana Bouldering probably doesn't sound major, but with how much druid likes to play eight, nine, 10 mana cards, thereby spending all their mana, I think this discount will end up mattering in a fair amount of situations.

[@outtaherelikevladimir7093]

Using things like moonlit guidance with new heights and mista vista with guff into forbidden fruit OTK in wild would be hilarious lmao

[@gustavocados]

I'm not afraid of New Heights, tbh. It's just wild growth. It's not like they get all that mana immediately. And when Druid was getting to 11 mana with just audio amplifier we weren't winning anyway.

[@mlp_firewind8129]

I don’t actually know if New heights is that good. I mean obviously it is but how often to people run audio amplifier. That’s 2 mana for a decent body along side the max mana effect. I think there will be some goofy mark combo where you use forbidden fruit to deal 47 damage or something goofy but outside of that it’s pretty slow as far as ramp goes, depending on how the splash splash welp nerf post expac launch looks it will probably just be the better card for any standard shenanigans decks.

[@HuriKhanD]

3 mana for ramp is already pretty decent, even if you're not regularly realizing the benefit of an increased mana ceiling you're always going to like the ramp, I don't think audio amplifier is a good point of comparison.

[@eamk887]

You completely ignored the ramp aspect of the card...

[@LaserfaceJones]

I've missed out on all the spoilers so far, and man i dont feel like I've missed much considering.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

We’re screwed.

[@alex2d]

I know I say this literally every expansion for the last like 6 years, but...Name a more iconic duo than the beginning of a new expansion and Druid being completely broken.

[@Waldo_I_Am]

Holy crap, every Warrior deck is running Hamm now.

[@deanmpatton]

Mistah Vistah could be 1/1 and still be playable, nonsensical statline for the effect.

[@peshomighty5051]

I am four mana. Taz'dingo! Ye-e-es! "Lteddys meme Sen'jin Shieldmasta"

[@seraph5765]

Sleep Under the Stars has great flavor and art. I hope I open it in golden

[@UmbrellaExile]

Thinking of Dr. Boom, isn't your Hydration Station going to revive both halves of Ziliax because of Reborn? In which case it's just looked great to me.

[@vitormelo3295]

Keep up the good work, Regis

[@diptendumukherjee6526]

Hydration station can bring back 2 Unkilliaxes as long as you play one. 😑

[@jeremiahperdue5518]

Welp, throw every deck idea ive had out the window because we will all be playing or playing against ramp warrior and ramp druid. Honestly i like playing ramp druid so fine by me

[@barcster2003]

New heights is incredible.

[@gregster1856]

Draw 2 for 1 mana, of course that will get played

[@TheBHolder]

New Heights was the last card I saw revealed for this expansion, and when I saw it; I lost all hope...

[@AntheanCeilliers]

Infinite mana is fine, right guys?

[@fulltime4545]

So you can Go up to 16 Mana easily, which will let you play a 6 mana manathirst 11 charging beatle, and 2 5 mana copy spells for exactly 30 charging damage. The return of the beatles?

[@incocnicto]

Taunt warrior druid let's go

[@Charlidaunic]

Reno Warrior and current Doomkin Druid ruined the game for me and now we get both combined being crazy next expansion! What a great time to quit

[@HDGaminTutorials]

It's the least pre-ordered expansion to date I hope the development team realizes we don't want double battlecrys and infinite ramp

[@imverytired1164]

Wooo taunt warrior cards! Dont care if its shit ill have fun playing it!

[@lrainwater1608]

Yeah I doubt people will still be worried about demon hunter when Druid and warrior are getting these cards

[@cobemorris5990]

I have my 3300 gold ready im excited

[@fri3erg771]

Yeah hydration station resurrect not one zylliax, but 2, with the reborn taunt

[@Run2Seeun]

Can Guff first, then use New Heights to reach 26 max mana. You can even dupe New Heights to get more max mana. This is insane

[@Thirtyleven]

7 mana gain 15 armor sounds useable in a Odyn Warrior

[@Aaron537_UNIQUESTRING]

I really think Bouldering Buddy is going to be the sleeper oppressive card for the new meta. The stats and the fact that it can immediately affect the board for one mana sounds crazy. Druid building a ramp for my wheelchair after I face them

[@Velerios]

I actually think that Bouldering Buddy is absolute trash. It can affect the board with 1 mana sounds crazy, but compared to what other cards can do it's actually quite MEH. Especially when you already have 10 mana crystals. At 7 mana or if you have less than 10 it's an absolute trash and at 10 mana, there are far more dangerous cards out there.

[@JJay7042]

Imo, I was already not a fan of alot of card designs in this set and its overall theme, then of course druid getting crazy stuff again. Druid is probs my most played class but man I don't like when its heavily reliant on ramp, I don't mind a bit of it but there's too much already and they are giving them even more on top of even more mana cheat potential... Im probably going to skip trying to get all the cards this expansion, I'm getting United in Stormwind flashback from this set (Am I exaggerating, yes) and am worried this is going to be a very boring experience. There are some cool and fun cards its not all negative dont get me wrong, but those potential fun architypes and cards are likely going to be overshadowed, which is a shame.

[@ХристоСираков-ш5ь]

I honestly don't get ppl bitching about druids looking at the new DH set.

[@BussinandDiscussin]

*gets out of the chair, starts waving his Enough of this... I'm out hands*

[@NoMoreQuestions]

Tortollan Traveler continuing the tradition of burying Silverback Patriarch each expansion :(

[@eamk887]

New Heights is definitely going to be nerfed to 4 mana.

[@jrksjrks]

Druid's gonna hit 50 mana crystals in wild by someone, it's a matter of time.

[@HuriKhanD]

I gotta say, I usually pop in to hearthstone when a new expansion drops just to collect some freebies and play with the new cards a bit. Completely unenthusiastic for this expansion, I think the huge disparity in power levels between classes and the near-requirement to run a tourist legendary (that you have to craft!) really speaks to how far the design team has fallen off. Hopefully they turn it around with the next one.

[@DisturbedNeo]

I wanna see someone absolutely break New Heights by copying it over and over. 2 Billion Mana Druid, make it happen.

[@jamesbondisamonkey]

trail mix on 2, mista vista on 3, new heights on 4, trail mix and new heights on 5...turn 6 you get 2 new heights and a trail mix, putting you at 17 mana or so on turn 7, with a maximum of 22

[@Leonardolimaaa]

Esse 8 manas que restaura lacaios só penso numa coisa.." AQUI NÃO!" Hahaha

[@wamhu]

really they gave ramp to druid again?!?! I thought they literally just banned the whelp from standard......

[@HDGaminTutorials]

Trail mix and bran makes the nerf to bran IRRELEVANT I REALLY dont want a bran meta again its so unenjoyable

[@dash8425]

I really don't get what are they doing. The only classes that have been a problem last few expansions are Druid and Warrior, they are torture to play against and everyone is complaining about it. Why the fuck would they double down on that?

[@2ddude492]

Whoever comes up with druid cards is clearly NOT playing the game they are developing

[@robbierotten2024]

Meanwhile, shaman absolutely drowning this next expansion

[@razien9941]

Its amazing the fact that they design cards without even thinking how absolutely cancerous the game can get. Like this legendary for example : Its not hard to think how busted this can be or what crazy combos you can pull off with current cards ! Its just crazy to me that they keep doing stuff like this every expansion. Another example is DH legendary, surely nothing wrong can happen right ?

[@GreatSaiyaDan]

Good to know I shouldn’t come back to the game

[@nogai2296]

Don't you just always run tortollan traveler just as a zilliax tutor and it is the best card in the game

[@fossy365]

Dude. Are they trying to kill Zeddy?

[@Phelix22]

They broke druid...again. Lets be honest, they just need to change the name to Druidstone and have done with it 😂😂

[@nickjoseph77]

God forbid they don't print money for Druid every damn set. I'm so tired of it. Why is Mistah Vistah only 5 mana and replays 3 turns worth? That's so extreme! Not 1 or 2 turns, at least 6+7=13 mana worth of spells if you play him on turn 5. If you play him with new heights on the turn you have 8 mana, you'll replay new heights + 10+11 mana worth of spells. Bananas!

[@peshomighty5051]

I am four mana. Taz'dingo! Ye-e-es! "Lteddys meme Sen'jin Shieldmasta"

[@LWVogt]

DID WE LEARN NOTHING FROM GUFF.

[@joeyhelms9998]

I’m so over Druid. It makes me want to stop playing

[@jingtroc23]

"Tourist" should have been called illegal immigrant

[@hearthstonerevealed3990]

hearthstone is scam, i use hearthranger for years and blizzard sucks

[@jake384100]

If I remember correctly, how discount auras work according to some recent updates, then the boulder will actually go to zero when you hit 10 mana if you drew it with tortollan traveler. I think this makes them much more consistent to run together as you basically only lose one mana of the discount if you do end up drawing bouldering.0 vs 1 mana Bouldering probably doesn't sound major, but with how much druid likes to play eight, nine, 10 mana cards, thereby spending all their mana, I think this discount will end up mattering in a fair amount of situations.

[@eamk887]

That doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying you're wrong, you could be right, but that's just not how it should work, the card specifically says it will cost (1) if you have 10 mana, so no maatter how much you lower its cost, it should always be (1).