They Can't Keep Getting Away With This

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The Vegas Golden Knights are up 2-0 against the Dallas Stars in the NHL Playoffs. We break down the Vegas system & how they are a systematic force that the fans desperately want to fail.
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[@BahamutBreaker]

This type of visual breakdown (with the stop-time highlights and appropriate use of arrows and other identifying symbols superimposed on the video) and complementary narrative/verbal analysis are incredibly good for amateur work. I know this channel has had success with its tongue-in-cheek humorous weekly reviews of NHL action… but those are NOT the reason why this channel kicks ass. It’s THESE videos, like this one, that are where this channel truly shines and stands alone in excellence.

[@10.11.9]

He has a good understanding of the game.

[@AntonKulikov]

This is what differentiates this channel from its copycats, yes.

[@Nocternel]

I love these videos because as someone who doesn't watch other sports and never grew up around them, these videos help me to understand the game of hockey so much more. I learn more and more every day and my knowledge has grown so much in the past 2 years because of videos like these.

[@xyrolinx3533]

Hockey Psychology always calling Vegas the "Vegas Long Term Injured Reserves" stings right now.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

If you are a fan, don't be stung by it, Vegas is starting to print LTIR Champion sweaters to sell 😂

[@mikem9536]

@@DiogenesTheCynic. They are the LTIR champs.

[@craig7185]

Being down 0 - 2 stings more.

[@TheJasonVoorhees]

Loving Tears In Realtime

[@chrisfontaine5124]

@@mikem9536that crown goes to Tampa, they found this loop hole

[@bigjust7016]

Man I wish I had Mark Stone’s doctor. Bro must be crazy

[@TheWarlord9883]

One of the clutchest doc´s in NHL history. Should go into the HoF.

[@Jacobgblue]

@@TheWarlord9883under rated comment

[@quelchx]

Making bank I bet

[@angryassyrian5627]

The dude would probably make you regrow limbs, best doctor in the NHL

[@brycebabineaux3384]

Fake doctors note

[@the1andonly759]

Great touch at the end of the video… RIP Bob Cole❤

[@ryanc9888]

What a move, what a goal, Oh baby!

[@doublestrokeroll]

Yep. Bob was a legend. Him and Harry were a joy to listen to.

[@ryanreeves8931]

He was the best at it!!

[@modernwarfaremaniac12]

The knowledge you have of the game is so good. Can’t wait to see you breakdown other series for these playoffs

[@jeffmcneill5922]

Very classy to call out Bob Cole.

[@robertrobbins1367]

Its Rough being a Dallas fan right now.. The knights are a GREAT team... They have a full team of talent and a good system... Not losing hope but its dire.

[@hockey_highlights_and_more]

Try being a leaf fan 😢 it doesn’t get much worse than that, you’ve gotten to see a winner

[@shinyuta]

@@hockey_highlights_and_more i can get half of the experience by watching steve dangle lol.

[@Kennypowers51]

Im a knights fan. I LOL'd when the fans boo'd Stone everytime he touched the puck.

[@liljoe31]

Just complain about LTIR it's a hilarious gotcha on the Knights

[@hockey_highlights_and_more]

@@shinyuta no you can’t, watching it is much different than living it

[@murrethmedia]

I don't blame the Vegas LTIRs, I blame the league.

[@ace2585]

Just mad my team didn't think of this con first 😂

[@willsee7452]

@@CL-ie5fz100% false.

[@OWlsfordshire]

​@@willsee7452He means to the same extent. Vegas is 14 mil over cap

[@ryanc9888]

@@ace2585 Tampa Bay did it first when they kept Kucherov and his 9.5m cap hit off the payroll for the entire 2020-21 season allowing them to re sign other players and add at the deadline. When the playoffs started Kuchervov was suddenly ready to play lol

[@GJMinimizer]

As a VGK fan, my favorite part is everyone getting mad at us and calling us cheaters when we pull off trades like we did for Hanifin, Mantha, and Hertl. No one is holding a gun to these other general managers and making them trade with us! If they think we are cheating like all the fans do, then why do all these GMs keep helping us and trade us these players? If we are the villains and the cheaters of the NHL, why do other teams keep trading us star players if they all feel the same as the fans do? It just makes me laugh at how salty people can be! Call it what you like, but you have to respect how the front office goes about acquiring talent!

[@patrickn594]

Once hockey stops in the summer, you should make a video about every team and why they didnt make the playoffs or were eliminating

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

UrinatingTree will have you covered.

[@patrickn594]

@DiogenesTheCynic. Who is Urinating Tree?

[@dtmuffinman]

Panthers fan here, it reminds me of us a couple year ago when we won the Presidents Trophy. Just feels like a team that wins via rush offense just ain't ever gonna get it done in the postseason.

[@SourBuddha]

Also that year we were outscoring our problems, which isnt a way to win a cup

[@divakatrina]

Presidents Trophy is a curse!

[@thedistrict95]

Last 15 seasons, 2009 Sharks, 2012 Canucks, 2015 & 2020 Blues, 2017 Blackhawks, & 2019 Flames. What do they have in common? No.1 seeds in the West that flamed out in Round One and only the Sharks and Blues(both years) made it to a Game 6. Out East, 2010 Capitals(Halaked), 2019 Lightning(Swept) & 2023 Bruins(Playoff Bob) being all time choke jobs. Dallas is fast approaching this bad territory.

[@intergalact1659]

Bruins experienced a Bobbery

[@Evan-C]

Vegas lost

[@thedistrict95]

@Evan-C I watched the whole series, Dallas dodged a bullet

[@Evan-C]

@@thedistrict95 new champs this year

[@Alex-oe2kk]

blame the NHL, Tampa did it too.🤷‍♂️

[@joshuagagnon8387]

I hate Tampa too 🤣

[@mpreuss2]

The Blackhawks did it before Tampa 🤷‍♂️

[@bigprovos12]

That’s a lot of 🤷‍♂️

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

17 teams above the cap, 12 in the playoffs, Leafs (98m) and Bolts (93m) are losing right now. Its not just about the salary cap circumvention, its about picking the right guys to fill up the slot left behind by injured players.

[@gabrielidusogie9189]

them bolts bout to be swept

[@bartsanders1553]

Vegas is putting on a clinic on how to make Shannon Skanes Drink.

[@williammontroy9024]

Those Dallas pint glasses ain't gonna have time to ever get frosted at this rate

[@lewissemajay8789]

Sour grapes by what can only be a Leafs fan. Too bad Toronto's front office has been circling the drain for many consecutive decades. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. When up and down the franchise there is no personal awareness of how mediocre you are - and when you are mediocre, you are always at your best.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

I mean he did buy them just to drink out of them when Dallas bows out, he just didnt expect round 1

[@waynegreen7634]

​@@DiogenesTheCynic.Lmfao funny how Vegas got punked in game 7 😂

[@kurt9034]

I hate the league just lets this happen. I am especially salty due to the Lighting being 18M over the cap when my Habs lost in the finals.

[@babyyoda6549]

It is almost impossible to beat Vegas because of how much depth they have ,you pretty much have to play a perfect game. It’s crazy.

[@natev580]

Except the only reason they have that depth is because they abuse LTIR at the trade deadline. Vegas is currently almost 9 million dollars over the cap. Quite convenient for them when the cap is no longer applicable in the playoffs.. Teams should be required to be cap compliant on the last game of the season, and players on LTIR should be eligible to play the last game of the season. If the team is not cap compliant, they should forfeit their playoff eligibility and any player who is not cleared to play game 82 of the regular season should not be eligible to play a single playoff game. That would solve the problem right there. Oh, and that goes for my home team too since they are currently over the cap. There, those should be the new rules.

[@DigitalHayds]

Yeah it’s almost like if you have more firepower than you’re supposed to be able to afford you’re gonna have more firepower than you’re supposed to be able to afford

[@ryanalaniz4525]

@@natev580every team does it. Colorado did it on their run and so did Tampa back to back. Blame the GMs for voting on it. Our front office is just doing it better than everyone else

[@natev580]

@@ryanalaniz4525 Yeah, they all do it. It is technically within the bounds of the rules. But it needs to stop. And I'm not sitting here saying "Vegas needs to stop abusing the system". I'm an Oilers fan.. They're over the cap too. I'm saying that as a whole, the system needs to change.

[@ryanalaniz4525]

@@natev580 that’s fair. I agree, I think it’ll change soon for all the heat we’re getting for it now

[@eldonkozack185]

Salary cap should carry right into the playoffs

[@ilikerobots3446]

I’m a stars fan but at this point I’ve lost all hope

[@Kennypowers51]

You guys beat us twice at our place in the wc finals last year. Its not over.

[@erikholland8844]

I'm a Stars fan too and I know holding onto hope right now is hard. But Kenny is right, we took two games from them last year in Vegas. We're not out of it yet.

[@paulringgold7715]

No, Stars won one game in Vegas and one in Dallas in OT last year.

[@dougosullivan7111]

There is no hope when facing a circumvented team. The Kings circumvented in 2014 and won a cup, Chicago did it in 2015 and won a cup, Tampa did it and won a cup, Colorado did it and won a cup, then Vegas did it last year and won a cup, now they did it again this year and are up 2-0 against a really tough team. Vegas's traded for Eichel, a player they couldn't afford and they've been abusing their ltir ever since, even one of their own players went public about how Mcrimmon is abusing ltir. The year they picked up Eichel he had a neck surgery that had never been done before on a player in a contact sport, so Vegas had to put him in to make sure, so there goes Stone on ltir, Eichel plays for a little over a month then goes back on ltir and stone comes off ltir. I learned a long time ago it's a waste of time and money watching the playoffs when a team circumvents, that's why I haven't watched the playoffs since 2019, I've got better things to do than watch a fake champion purchase a cup. If fans were smart they'd boycott the playoffs and the league would lose millions and that garbage loophole would be gone

[@merksmovies25]

@@dougosullivan7111lol you just names teams who won, there are a bunch of forgotten teams that used the ltir that didnt win. Fake champions, guess you’re a fan of a loser organization

[@ReallyBigToaster]

This breakdown is incredible, I’ve been a fan for 18 years and I’m learning so much

[@joey4222]

I’ve been loving them as a new hockey junkie

[@liamrose.9]

@@joey4222welcome to the sport my man. please dont cheer for vegas tho 😂

[@CBXND2]

Your breakdowns are extremely informative and always really well done, I've learned a lot about the small, and previously unseen by me nuances of hockey and makes watching the games a lot more interesting. Love these videos man keep it up.

[@maqywhaq]

Put a cap on LTIR cap overrun or/AND(?) make it count against the next years cap if you roster the player(without said playing replacing someone else who's been injured). So lets say cap overrun with LTIR lets you ice an extra 5%, but if you go over that, the hit counts as a penalty for the upcoming season. This lets you ice replacement or entry level players, but if you're LTIRing a star player to circumvent a salary cap, something like Luongo's recapture rule should take place. If owners/GMs vote on it being too harsh, maybe add in a 1 year mulligan for the first offence, but if it happens consecutively , it counts against the team(which allows teams positioned to leverage it a one time advantage, but maybe have the cap penalty be stiffer so teams can't ride it till their competitive window is entirely closed).

[@Dougie-ex1ov]

Well if they are put on reserves they are void from playing in the first round or some shit. Or if you aquire more players than the cap allows when they come back you have to sit someone.

[@matthewemht9785]

I expected a rant but got all learned up! Thx. I didn’t want to but you made me subscribe with your quality content!

[@joonaoinonen9966]

Awesome video. Keep hustling g🔥🔥

[@wm9312]

The salary cap isn't really about having a level playing field. It's about keeping salaries down for the majority of players. I can't recall the players name, but he was a key penalty/defensive player for the Red Wings Cup teams, and he signed with the Bruins for $5 million a season. A lot of money. It opened the flood gates on salaries and the league figured they had to do something to protect it from themselves so they followed the NFL

[@dereksbooks]

Who knew that market manipulation would be a bad thing, just like in the real world when the government cannot keep its nasty hands off the free market? The Tampa Rays and Oakland A's prove most of the time that a hard salary cap isn't necessary for a team to be competitive, and the Yankees and Angels keep proving that you can't just buy championships.

[@DrDoom-bl1sk]

I am so pissed. The ONLY team I wanted to avoid (at least in the Western Conference) was the Golden Knights. As soon as I saw we had them as our opponent, I had the feeling in my gut that we were screwed. They always seem to have the Stars' number.

[@borrow4654]

Hard not to when you load up on 3 superstars players while your captain sits pretty with a "lacerated splean". Miracle recovery. As he does every year I dont see how vagas wont win the cup. And if they do, the NHL will be worse for it. Not a serious league

[@Kennypowers51]

We Knights fans were more afraid of Edmonton and I 35% think they lost to the ducks on purpose. Also, if the Cannucks throw a game, is it on porpoise.

[@Jedalgo]

He just explained why they have a better match up against the Stars. it's no mystery. it's up to the coaching staff to fix it

[@HalfNHalf.]

@@borrow4654who tf is VAGAS?

[@borrow4654]

@@HalfNHalf. god forbid someone writes a typo

[@_bits_and_bytes]

as a stars fan who never played hockey and knows very little about the X's and O's of the sport, thanks for the video! Vegas was the team I wanted to play the least going into the playoffs and it's nice to have a video that lays out why they're such a tough match up for us and how we're trying to respond.

[@deanhil3978]

BEST 8 minutes on YT! Thanks man.

[@grahamdamberger7130]

Bob Cole's best radio call was back in 1976 with the line "They're going home. The Russians are going home." Flyers defenceman Ed Van Imp made a big hit on Red Army forward Valery Kharlamov during a Canada Cup game, which started causing frustrations to boil over for the Red Army team on the Flyers' Broad Street Bullies style of hockey, ending with the Red Army squad walking back to the dressing room before the game's conclusion (they would go back out to finish the game. Or the hit occurred in the third period and became their breaking point which caused them to give up and head down the tunnel.

[@mikebarka5626]

Loved it when you said he doesn't pick up "sexy numbers" because he's on LTIR :D

[@burtmann3921]

love the analogy on this chanel. Well done !! and very nice touch with the Bob Cole tribute "Oh baby "

[@nomimalone7520]

Classy tribute to Bob Cole at the end. He's a legend. Oh baby!

[@coryernewein]

RIP to an absolute legend 🙌 🙏

[@doublestrokeroll]

Bob Cole. Absolute legend. Him and Harry were a great combination.

[@michaelzilkowsky2936]

Harry Neale was the best color man, hands down. During a game in Winnipeg, a TV light started flashing like mad, necessitating a halt to the game till it could be repaired. Harry said to Don Whitman, 'it looks like a concert in here from The Iron Maiden, or one of those bands that you listen to.' At a Philly game, the camera held on one of the off ice officials who was wearing a helmet at the scorer's desk. "lots of celebrities at the game tonight, Don. There we can see Darth Vader enjoying the play." During an LA playoff game, the camera went to Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman sitting together. "I'll bet its going to be nights of thunder when they get home.'

[@je7055]

Stars fan here, just wanted to say you hit the nail squarely on the head. Vegas's forecheck gave Dallas all kinds of fits and, as you said, the Stars had to take advantage of their versatility and win with an approach a bit outside their comfort zone. The hard-skating fourth line was brilliant all series and scored a few goals, including Faksa's series-winner in Game 7 off a nice meat-and-potatoes cycle following a Harley pinch to keep the puck in. The skill players, rather than racking up the chances off the rush like they did in the regular season, were usually forced to wait until a Vegas miscue and then pounce, as with Johnston's beautiful unassisted goal to open the scoring in Game 7. Really nice analysis here, you called the series to a T.

[@randomjoker7802]

Great vid bro enjoyed it never miss

[@zjsz4954]

I still can’t believe they interviewed Stone at Dallas’ barn, that’s some WWE level trolling

[@liljoe31]

On the upside it drowned out her dumb questions

[@selfaccountable3464]

@@liljoe31 Leah Hextall only has a spot in the NHL game crews because of her uncle. I once trolled her wiklpedia page and called her the worst play by play hockey announcer on a major network in the last 25 years.

[@spencerstewart8765]

Just would like to clarify when it comes to players who are on the LTIR the nhl does get involved with their own doctors to follow up on players recovery and injuries to insure they are legitimate and not sandbagging for playoffs. Now could mark stone of started a week or 2 earlier maybe but if it’s within a week or 2 window any team would take advantage of the LTIR and done the same. Whether you agree or not mark stone had a legitimate injury that any playoff team would have taken the same advantage of.

[@Srdjana-]

He wasn't injured to begin with, get real.

[@lvhatrick]

@@Srdjana-where do you get your information. I’d like to see your source besides the voices in your head.

[@spencerstewart8765]

@@Srdjana- please show me where doctors said his liver wasn’t lacerated.

[@pmczapczara5332]

​@@lvhatrick and you got you info.. ..."because vegas said so." Correct?

[@pmczapczara5332]

​@@spencerstewart8765please show what they said was verified....you know it wasn't. They don't give out any injury details.. (like Tor/ Nylander) "Lacarated spleen" recovery time is generally a longer window. And, how astoundingly coincidental stones recovery 'just happened' to perfectly coincide with trade deadlines and first day of playoffs simultaneously. It's amazing, it's a miracle....or...it's blatant abuse of the system. Tampa did it too, egregiously, miss most of the season and returns for game 1..? BS. league and owners need to initiate some changes to prevent abuse in this area. It undermines the integrity of the sport to let it go like this.

[@adamryan7703]

You honestly have the best content out there..thank you!

[@ledovegas]

Great video on explaining how Vegas D system match up well with Stars O system. I was wrong thinking this is just another bash on how Vegas uses LITR...

[@bousestudios6488]

From what I saw the stars have the same problem as last year.

[@primer16]

Tampa started it a few years ago

[@kickthesky]

Chicago taught them first, actually.

[@williamcollins5688]

This is a solid tactical breakdown 💡 Great work 👉

[@AnAverageCitizen]

Awesome amount of information!

[@ericvanvlandren8987]

Tampa Bay 2021 playoffs, the miracle healing Kucherov trick. Ask Montreal how they feel.

[@EPiche09]

It's an insane storyline. So easy to play the heal for Vegas. Someone's gotta do it.

[@rickhammond2473]

See if my 755.00 on Vegas to take the cup works out.I have been purchasing slips November

[@garylau702]

13 out of 16 playoff teams are currently over the cap. To assume that Vegas is the only team doing this is not accurate.

[@davidbrown180]

Being booed by the home team, your doing something right

[@Giantstalking]

The LTIR thing has been a loophole for like 5 years. It’s just on other teams for not having good management lol.

[@csharp48]

Tampa Bay complained that Blackhawks exploited it in 2015 when Patrick Kane returned in the playoffs. Then, because the NHL wouldn't close it, they took advantage of it, too. The point is, closer to 10 years.

[@DigitalHayds]

Cheating isn’t good management lmao I’m not against cannibalism because I wish I could eat people. Only people who say this don’t gaf about the game or its integrity

[@tromedl]

They should really close it and not remove it for the playoffs

[@danolsen7405]

Teams voted 29 - 1 to keep the rule in 2015.

[@csharp48]

@@danolsen7405 AND expressed zero interest in even voting on it again. We'll see next Governors Meeting, but this year it was, according to Elliot Friedman, a 45 second conversation of "figure out a solution and present it."

[@austinbeck2896]

You know, i would say fair to most of your points, but since joining the hockey fan club back in the inaugural season for vegas all i have seen is the DEFINITION of COACH AND FRONT OFFICE difference. At one point this season especially in their slide from top 3 in the west, vegas had 2 forward and a defensive line on IR, sorry we didn't go down and get knocked out of the playoff race. Also, series ain't over till someone wins 4, still a chance to win even if it's deboer lol.

[@goleavesgo1967]

“Joining hockey in the inaugural season for Vegas” followed by that shit take makes sense

[@dstefaniuk5741]

Also, out of curiosity does anyone else think seeding doesn’t matter in the postseason? Honestly playoffs and RGSZN are 2 different games. Some teams are built for it (Vegas, Tampa, former Chicago and LA teams, Avs, etc..) and some teams just aren’t because of top heavy teams (Dallas, Toronto, Edmonton). Truth is you can’t load up on 1-2 lines, you need those 3-4 line guys to be just as good

[@benjaminstrawson1442]

I learn so much from your videos. Sportsnet should take a lesson here, it's more then just showing highlights. Good stuff my dude. Go Oilers.

[@jameschristian192]

Vegas on their joker arc and I love it

[@SulliverVittles]

Honestly a shame how Vegas is the only one over the cap and doing so well. Wait, two other teams are even more over cap? And not doing as well? Weird how that works.

[@MadLadJay98]

The knights are the 80's raiders of hockey I love it

[@cs1458]

I could never hate Stoney. He exposed what a dirty player PK Subban always was deep down.

[@HalfNHalf.]

So true

[@Nahash5150]

Waiting for Benn to deliver the cross-check we all want to see again.

[@neeltheother2342]

And then get suspended for the remainder of the series, aka 1 game.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

And give Vegas more LTIR money? You sure about that?

[@Mizuxes]

Dallas, always classy in losing.

[@butterbutter-zp7ie]

He'll probably fake another untouched fall first.

[@rsuninv]

Wanting a player hurt while screaming LTIR Cheats isn’t a good look slick. You’re obviously emotionally immature and a super fan of Dirty Dallas Fans throwing popcorn. Stay classy, even if you can’t.

[@hardware1197]

Time to rename the channel: Hockey Psychiatry - Based on the social media reaction from the Victor E. Greenies you should send them a bill for this piece of therapy….awesome job pointing out the *real* reason the VGK are running over Dallas while at the same time making them feel like it’s not their coach’s fault.

[@user-qr5rz3xg4q]

Tampa used to do this as well with their players. It’s not just Vegas. If people don’t like it, then the NHL needs to change the rules. Until then, teams will keep doing it.

[@Lakingsfan140]

It isn’t against the rules yet 11 teams got penalized for being over the cap except Vegas. Something is fishy here.

[@Cyclonetic]

I love the Vegas Golden Knights. Go Knights 👍👍🎉🎉

[@liljoe31]

The entire blue collar population of Las Vegas is with you on this comment

[@selfaccountable3464]

Feels good to cheat the system and stack the team with a way over the cap trick....... Being rewarded for getting injured. Shameful.

[@Cyclonetic]

@@selfaccountable3464 I honestly don’t care. I based my teams off of their colors and logos, with the exception of my favorite teams stay my favorites and Vegas is one of them. I don’t care about the behind the scene of the teams

[@selfaccountable3464]

@@Cyclonetic Cool.... so you prefer to be ignorant that your team is cheating. So you are ignorant indeed.

[@Cyclonetic]

@@selfaccountable3464 other teams have done it before so it isn’t cheating

[@thewat3rcompany]

Well said, as usual. This can spell real trouble for the league & reward the lack of loyalty in players like Eichel. The players reluctant to stay with franchises stand to benefit too much from this team's philosophy unless other teams match it

[@RobdaVegasMailman]

4:50 LTIR = Logan Thompson Is Ridiculous.

[@andyholland2130]

Not even a Vegas fan but everyone that complains about it comes off like a toddler having a tantrum. Mark Stone is their best player. A team doesn't purposely sit out their captain and best player to hope they can win enough games to make the playoffs with the reinforcements they added with the cap space. Any other team could've been aggressive and gone for Hertl too. Last year, they never iced a team in a single playoff game that was over the cap. Stop complaining and complain that your own teams GM cares more about his own job security than making his team better. The NHL is never going to change the LTIR rule. It has to be done during CBA negotiations and I doubt the owners, gms or the players care to change it. Stop whining about it and move on.

[@borrow4654]

Youll be hard pressed to make NHL fans believe that not having a salary cap in the playoffs isnt stupid as fuck. Surely you dont believe that yourself if you have any cognitive capacity

[@CodeRedGraphics]

​@@borrow4654even if the cap was implemented for playoffs it wouldn't matter. Like he said, last year when Vegas won the team on the ice was cap compliant. Even this year I believe Vegas was cap compliant game 1 and would have probably been compliant game 2 if Martinez was scratched again.

[@borrow4654]

@@CodeRedGraphics i guess thats true...just means you can load up on a few assets if you end up losing players to injury which is fair. Good luck preventing players from returning to play of they become healthy. Still would be a step in the right direction if you HAD to play a salary cap compliant team though.

[@andyholland2130]

@@borrow4654 I don't want a salary cap period. But you don't want a salary cap in the playoffs either if you actually thought about the consequences. And it doesn't matter if you do because the owners and Gms for sure as hell don't because they are aware of the consequences and don't want them.

[@HalfNHalf.]

You said everything I've been thinking. The complaining is getting old. They're mad at the wrong people aka the golden knights

[@boadee]

The fact that Mark Stone was injured and put in the work to come back is a GFY to every NHL fan that hates him. He’s the best at what he does. Has everyone forgot that last year VGK was arguably the strongest team in the league during the regular? You create some interesting psychology with the LTIR references; you tip your bias but we love you anyway. VGK won the cup by sticking to the system and staying disciplined, especially during the Edmonton series. If anyone knocks them off they will have earned it. We are Vegas strong and we put in the work. Everything else is excuses.

[@928frogman]

Solid analysis, +1 sub.

[@ChippyHOCKEY2552]

My top 5 least favorite teams 5.Vegas Golden knights 4.Vegas Golden Knights 3.Vegas Golden Knights 2.Vegas Golden Knights 1.Vegas Golden Knights

[@Middyman43]

Honorable mention goes to the Vegas Golden Knights

[@collasalbot7900]

@@Middyman43you forgot the Vegas golden knights😭

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

You are coping Coping and seething You just can't accept what you're seeing Yes, you're coping Coping and seething The truth it is scalding And now you are malding And coping Coping so hard 😂😂😂😂😂

[@soulknife20]

@@DiogenesTheCynic. What are you? 12?

[@ChippyHOCKEY2552]

@@DiogenesTheCynic. what?

[@jeffadventures1]

as a Vegas fans... we LOVE the haters! hugs guys!!!

[@steverobinson8771]

The final is gonna be a replay of Vegas vs Florida 👈

[@Ando2k10]

Stone was out for eight weeks, for an injury/surgery that had a typical recuperation period of four to six weeks. Because of past allegations with Chicago and Kane, Tampa and Kucherov, I'd guarantee that the NHL was double checking Stone's situation to ensure it was legitimate. The LTIR rule is a good rule as it allows teams to take action to maintain a level of success when someone's out long term, because it allows them to call up players from the minors, or make trades or signings to fill the roster back up. If that player comes back, off of LTIR, then the team has to do some shuffling or dealing to get back under the cap. One reasonable way to fix this would be for players that were on LTIR at the end of the season to be prohibited from playing in the first round of the playoffs. Another would be to implement a salary cap for the post season.

[@unclebitchie]

So classy of you to end that very entertaining and thoughtful video with a tribute to the late, great Bob Cole. I, too, remember growing up with his commentary and am sorry to hear of his passing. I have so much more to say about the Las Vegas Injured Reserves, whom I hate as much as everyone else does, but I guess you've said it all already. So thank you for saluting a hockey legend.

[@soulknife20]

Even without Stone, Hertl, and Hanafin, the Knights would still be beating the snot out of the Stars. Like the Stars had a really easy final stretch compared to the Jets and Avs.

[@chairmanofthebored6860]

Uh ok bud.

[@soulknife20]

@@chairmanofthebored6860 Not wrong.

[@JT-yl9yt]

Hanifin literally scored in a 2-1 win both games Stars had a chance advantage in shots and now got creamed in game 3 while Vegas goalie stood on his head and still lost. All of those guys have been big contributors you cannot be this ignorant.

[@akashdeephothi4137]

Hopefully the stars can make a comeback!!

[@StinkyBoy5.11]

Maybe 😂

[@tjyankowich7082]

Good vid bro, I think your the best hockey KZbinr

[@giffwingsg3402]

Great video.

[@guruntbangoo5686]

What's even worse, is they shoot pucks at the opponent's net after they pull their goalie. It's like cheating! They can't keep getting away with it!

[@isaiahaguilera7710]

🤣

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Oh nooooooo 😂

[@moharikram1687]

Personally for me, I don't get mad at VGK LTIR shenanigans. VGK did LTIR what is suppose to do - Give a leeway for players who injured during middle of the season that will prevent them from playing for all the rest of the season (Stones played 56 games this year and got a spleen injury). Same as Hawks did in 15 where Kane played 61 games and we saw him fall injured in the game. Tampa is the villain with Kucherov shenanigans in 20/21. He did not play a single game yet the LTIR still active. They also got dead contract such as Gaborik and Seabrook to extend the leeway. Tampa should be the one we condemn. Not VGK or Hawks. VGK and Hawks use the system properly. Tampa GAME the system.

[@ethanparker7900]

seabrooks contract didnt come till after 2021 and kucherov was actually hurt.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

@@ethanparker7900 So was Mark Stone. All of you are the conspiritards claiming he wasn't. And no, Kucherov timed his surgery to miss the whole regular season. He played with that injury the season before.

[@kjoeyb.]

They all gamed it. Cope bandwagoner

[@kattankarl]

Are you the only guy VGK fooled? Second year in a row they are abusing a loophole.

[@ethanparker7900]

@@DiogenesTheCynic. from what I heard that injury was first sustained in the bubble over the summer

[@hootiehome]

Great job!!

[@bdbdkdfotbrveiw]

Seeing the length of some of these guys sticks, really really makes you wonder if there needs to be some sort of length restriction

[@dawnsempire8510]

there are restrictions. 63" heel to butt-end for the shaft, 12.5" heel to toe for the blade. special requests for extensions must be made in writing, will only be granted to players 6'6" or taller, and only extend the shaft length from 63" to 65" max. whether the players actually follow that, or the teams have a MAD pact and don't call BS on illegal player sticks is a different matter. but there are rules on the books that restrict equipment size.

[@avdmustang]

Vegas is like the beer league team that dresses ringers when playoffs start.

[@travzimmerman1340]

They've literally done nothing wrong. Some GMs are playing chess while most are playing checkers.

[@CJ-1776]

Riiight. Cuz no other professional GM could ever figure out what a bunch of dipshit fans easily can. Everyone knows ‘how’ to do this. Vegas chooses to do so and most other teams don’t. You can agree or disagree with either philosophy but this ain’t rocket science man.

[@sports2hedz542]

Definitely one way of looking at it. Lacks integrity and no one would bat an eye if this was purely the corporate world. But it's not. It's a corporation...but it is also professional sports. Where the integrity of a sport and a code of honor tends to be held hallow. I am fairly indifferent personally, being a part of that corporate world. But fans pay a good chunk of the bills in this sport and a lot of them are not happy.

[@armstrongaddy1155]

​@sports2hedz542 boo hoo fans are crybabies

[@R6W2]

@@armstrongaddy1155when it’s not their team doing it right, they complain

[@kattankarl]

Some GMs are playing fairly and some have no shame* But all GMs should start cheating aswell so this loophole gets fixed

[@coogan5729]

Can't fault 'em because, ya know, Chicago & Tampa, but it sucks to hear the owners, presidents, gms, etc. reportedly don't think its a problem and are ignoring fan sentiment. Mark Stone has always been one of the most impressive defensive players of the past decade. When he went to Vegas, I was ecstatic. Not only had I become a fan of Stone for his play through tough Ottawa times, but I was an even bigger Vegas fan for the misfit tenacity from year one and how legitimate they were from the get go. Almost exciting to hate them now.

[@TJ89741]

Don’t blame VGK blame the NHL.

[@rileykass1563]

Someone has to like the heal! 😂 Go VGK! Great breakdown, enjoy watching every episode

[@Spewf]

OW Mah SPLEEEN!....whats that playoffs ok all better

[@hudlsports]

Is it me or does Mark Stone look like Lord Farquad from Shrek?

[@dstefaniuk5741]

😂I’m a Vegas fan and that’s too accurate. Time to make an edit

[@doogan5875]

Based on the title I thought this was gonna be a Vegas are cheaters sob story but this is some impressive tape breakdown. You've gained a follower in me

[@ThunderStruck94660]

I saw Vegas fans complaining about ricocheting a puck off a goalie's head....ha ha ha

[@Joe_Ma99]

The league needs to fix this already. It’s been a problem for way too long and Vegas has pushed it to the extreme.

[@charlesgallagher1376]

Hometown Sabres fan since Day One, 13 years without a playoff game? Living in Vegas now and a VGK fan since Day One. The Stanley Cup in 6? Hockey has its extremes. And I’m loving watching the Stars lose remembering the Sabres/Stars 1999 final “Foot in the crease.” VGK REPEAT!

[@selfaccountable3464]

It was a legal goal. Your city and your team are forever owned by Dallas teams in championships.

[@JT-yl9yt]

@@selfaccountable3464 it definitely wasn't legal by any measure....

[@charlesgallagher1376]

@@selfaccountable3464 there’s wasn’t a replay. There was goalie interference.

[@selfaccountable3464]

@@charlesgallagher1376 Cry harder. We still have a Stanley Cup banner and our names on the Cup. Buffalo? Never!

[@jefflester4131]

Don't be Salty! GO VEGAS!

[@jimlewis1992]

Pete Deboer getting out coached as usual

[@caperboy1169]

They’re not breaking any rules

[@devinlapointe6257]

They're breaking everyone's hearts though and pissing everyone off

[@caperboy1169]

@@devinlapointe6257 than they should do the same.

[@DigitalHayds]

Yes they are. LTIR stands for long term injury reserve. Hope this helps

[@HopefulNihilist]

​@@DigitalHayds If they're breaking the rules then why isn't the League punishing them? And the Leafs?? And Tampa?? And every other Team that's over the cap??

[@DigitalHayds]

@@HopefulNihilist for the same reason congressmen practice insider trading, it’s a conflict of interest. Also do you know how much money Vegas makes the league?

[@untoxify1080]

People dont know that the lightning and leafs have more LTIR used and overall cap used, but we wanna shift all our attention to vegas because their the better team?

[@SleepBomber]

Exactly

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

They are mad over Hanifin and Hertl, the cap space is an excuse

[@liljoe31]

Theyre definitely mad about something arent they

[@garyelder4610]

Have those teams had the same player go out 3 years in a row and then rebuilt their team with that cap space only to have the LTIR player come back?

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

@@garyelder4610 It wasnt 3 times, guess you are just another room temp IQ headline reader only

[@Spanishflea.]

That thumbnail is killing me lmfaooo

[@danyelbugaev2044]

Outstanding video

[@BrodyJones-fp2bb]

As a knights fan I do understand where the hate is coming from but then again I don’t as we are just using the rules to our advantages and our gm is crazy

[@toke7342]

That's because you're not a real hockey fan.

[@thefriesens1071]

It would be so good if the Jets met them in the second round. Then the fans could chant "LTIR"

[@user-bi6yf4hv9g]

I hope Jets meet them in 2nd round....I think they have a better chance beating Vegas than Avs imo.... Jets have the big guys and goaltending to.give Vegas s run for their money....Go jets!

[@liljoe31]

Logan Thompson Is Ridiculuzzz

[@user-bi6yf4hv9g]

@@liljoe31 You're only as good as your defense. If Stars or Jets can they break that line, he can be vulnerable - exposed..

[@user-bu7eo9vi9q]

Can you make a dahlin or Josi breakdown?

[@trevmac8362]

And the bottom line to an absolute ,undisputed, 100% irrefutable certainty is the Golden Knights broke no LTIR rules at all. General Manager Kelly McCrimmon said he is “the winning business, not the hockey business" McCrimmon and his team understand what the CBA says and how to operate within those guidelines. Other fan bases should ask why their team’s GM is not doing the same. Everyone has the same playing field. Not to mention, half the clubs this season operated in LTIR because of the flat cap. Anyone who accuses the Knights organization of cheating are prime examples of sour grapes. Any idiot who thinks they somehow cheated are perpetuating a false phantom narrative. The club followed the rules to a "T" Period

[@vincentlawrencer]

Since day one, nobody liked us. Hockey wouldn’t survive in the desert. Then we were supposed to be terrible. Only in the finals year one because of Bettman. Then we were knocked for being disloyal. Then, Cup champs, on the hunt to repeat - but it’s only because of LTIR, right? Excuse me while I feel absolutely no sympathy for the rest of you. You all need smarter GMs. Edit: This video breakdown is truly incredible, though. Props.

[@patricklafontaine5969]

Stone was my favorite player in Ottawa and was upset when they traded him. Now I follow Vegas for him.