They Got Drafted...Then Killed Their Own Teams

[@DerpyBatman]

Patrick Williams is another example of Bulls doing a poor job of developing young talent. Markkanen, and Kris Dunn never improved while they were here, and it took five seasons for Coby White to become a solid starting player. Pat Williams and Ayo Dosunmu’s development mirrors that of Markkanen. Dalen Terry hardly played his rookie season and is now averaging about 10 mins a game his sophomore year. Zach Lavine is the only success story the Bulls have but I would argue that he came pretty developed already he just needed a team where he would have more touches of the ball. Something tells me the reason AK doesn’t blow it up and rebuild is because he either doesn’t have confidence in his ability to draft or (the more likely reason) he doesn’t have faith in developing young players

[@goldensteeltv8546]

As a Bulls fan, I think the Bulls need to completely overhaul their player development department. You’re right about how bad their player development is.

[@pool5863]

send him to the jazz and he'll be the second coming of kawhi leonard

[@puddlespuddles5208]

Very astute observation. I am no bulls fan (mavs fan here) but I do have a soft spot for the bulls. Their ownership and Front Office is so fucking asinine and has their heads so far stuck up their own asses they might as well be an Auntie Anne's (pretzels).

[@spliffsforbreakfast]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👌🏾

[@AggravatedMan365]

You call Zach Lavine a success story? 😂

[@Purple-Popcorntm]

Its hard to say Davion "killed" his team - Or is even the worst person on the kings. He's still an amazing defender, and was really great in the playoffs, hitting a dagger in game 2, and in that game holding Curry to shooting splits that would make Killian Hayes blush. The issue is that the Kings are a guard heavy team, and that his best upside being defense is kinda negated by the fact that Keegan Murray is also becoming a high level defender, who can handle the ball just as well and is way better as a shooter. Davion's numbers, along with his minutes, have been steadily going up.

[@marcusrhill]

I hate that he was drafted there he had no chance.

[@LessGo7921]

Agreed. Also I disagree when Andy said Davion was drafted for his shooting when he was moreover drafted as a defensive small guard like Holiday. Especially since he was drafted right after the Bucks won a title in part because of Holiday’s defensive play

[@ejschiller7787]

⁠@@LessGo7921yeah i’m pretty sure he even won defensive player of the year in college and his nickname is offnight his specialty is definitely defense

[@RE1GN_BLOOD]

“James wiseman is the softest center” Deandre Ayton: “hold my bee…soda”

[@lionelsenga3752]

doesn't matter, I'm a max player

[@Crypto_Circus]

Still would take Ayton over Wiseman any day.

[@CaptKiri]

"Thats DominAyton" >50 on his head (Giannis)

[@gtjaaa5551]

Don’t get me wrong Ayton is one of the biggest disappointments but at least when seen him try he’s a good player he suffers from the lack of motivation just like Jordan Poole

[@SnuggieMaple]

Ayton shows some signs atleast like he isn't really a hard player but he's not the most soft soft

[@neilbryanbucsit197]

There are some people comparing Killian Hayes' career trajectory to Ricky Rubio but I think that's insulting to Rubio IMO the guy has multiple seasons scoring at least 10 ppg and also having multiple seasons having 8apg he's also a starting caliber PG in the NBA most of his career

[@jojetparedes4024]

Rubio is way better than Hayes at PG...He is a pure floor general. Killian is lost in his roles but maybe not entirely his fault being on a really bad team.

[@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy]

I mean statistically speaking he’s not that far off from Ricky Rubio. He needs to get his points up but Rubio wasn’t the most efficient player either. He shot 38% for his career. Those aren’t unattainable numbers for a guy like Hayes.

[@neilbryanbucsit197]

@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy yes but one problem though he's on his way out of the league soon unfortunately

[@deleqtronica8733]

Rubio should've been so much better than he actually was. He was suppose to be Jason Kidd 2.0 but didn't really live up to that.

[@neilbryanbucsit197]

@@deleqtronica8733 injuries really suck

[@danielvasquez3758]

Man Golden State drafting killed their dynasty after having a golden generation of drafting the core of said dynasty!! Crazy!!

[@ND-OPS]

You act like Poole, Moody and kuminga are trash. Draymond single handedly killed the dynasty. KD and Poole left because of him. Now his shananigans buries the warriors. It's a great run tho!

[@KatCombat]

I agree, Dray should have been traded after the punch

[@Austin-l1j]

@@ND-OPSnah it’s the staff in golden state killing it by not getting rid of him.

[@Davivd2]

@@ND-OPS I'm with you on that. One bad drift pick (Wiseman) isn't going to do anywhere near the damage that a guy who ran off a 6 man of the year candidate and an all time great.

[@cloakedcrowd1616]

I feel like the problem is that they thought they had more time than they really had

[@kevin54524]

Why Davion is in this list? He is a defender, back up PG. He is not hurting his team when he is doing his role.

[@revupthosefryers3121]

The guy doesn’t even no how to pronounce his name right lol. If he watched one kings game he would no the pronunciation

[@ishmanahan6472]

Hes solid when the teams healthy and off the bench but not a reliable option when fox is out. Why you think they took him out the starting lineup recently.

[@kevin54524]

@@ishmanahan6472 "They got drafted and killed their own team" Hating on a bench player when asked to play starter minutes has no sense at all😂 He is drafted to be a backup PG then critique him based on that role. It is like CP3 is a good PG but he sucks when he plays at Center😂😂💀

[@MigIgg]

⁠@@kevin54524Doesn’t change the fact that he isn’t doing good at all. The guy’s +/- is a -3.4 and his OBPM, DBPM and VORP are all a negative.

[@kevin54524]

@@MigIgg Is he in the top 10 worst player in NBA based on the stats you shared? Hell no! So why bother point that out? It does not support your argument at all.lol -3.4 as Fox replacement for 15 mins is not bad at all!

[@OK_225]

Andy had no reason goin for Wiseman’s life like that lmfaooo

[@Widlrr]

Idk wiseman was pretty decent on gsw before the injury

[@user-sh7fr9wj1h]

@@Widlrrno he wasn’t 😂

[@bigbangbasketball]

😂 this man has a family

[@lucky889s9]

As he should. What a bust for no. 2 pick. All the hype was from his time in high school and a few games in college

[@jacobmays9103]

@@Widlrr😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@danielivanov8763]

I can't agree with what you saying about pat you can't expect a player to develop when you have 2 ball hogs Lavine and DeRozan and when Lavine was out he scored consistent 20 point a game

[@dqr89]

Thank you

[@teknopal]

All motivation that Poole had went out his body with that Draymond punch

[@bigbangbasketball]

And the common sense too 💀

[@lucky889s9]

Nah, dray saw through everything. Poole is just a cocky punk who thinks he's the franchise player. Did you not see his attitude in wizards? How's his play now? Shaqtin MVP candidate for 30mil per season

[@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy]

@@lucky889s9He would’ve been fine if he was still in GS without Draymond….hows Draymond and the Warriors doing right now? Lol Draymond didn’t see through anything. He’s just an out of control idiot. We saw that when he got suspended.

[@super2twinn]

​@lucky889s9 and draymond Is a selfish arrogant player who's currently at risk of costing his team a playoff appearance... the warriors would sure love to have Poole currently than draymond

[@ScottySkilz1]

i dont think Davion is hurting the kings he is only getting a handful of minutes and a lot of DNP's. he was great his rookie year but his shoot has gotten worst over time.

[@knection1986]

You can tell Andy dont actually watch the Bulls lol. Pat's role isnt to score because they have other guys who specialize in it. When Pat was called to do it he can do it just fine.

[@devilsadvocate1975]

Agreed. he's a 3 and D small forward playing out of position as the 4 and is the 5th option on offense. Andy only looks at his offensive numbers and then glosses quickly over his excellent three shooting to focus on rebounds and ppg. It's a big reach.

[@SJay-ez9fw]

Exactly, turned off the video once I saw him

[@MigIgg]

@@SJay-ez9fw Lmao the guys has a negative net rating, especially if you look at Basketball Reference.

[@zombie7232]

To be fare other than bulls fans ain’t no one watching the Bulls and they give not reason to tune in.

[@harrislaurent429]

I’m absolutely in the dark on what led to Killian being drafted so high, he shot like 30% from three overseas but they where talking about him like he was Harden

[@timl9724]

Williams is the type of player many teams want next to their stars. He's not the star that a top 4 pick should be, but he's the epitome of three-and-D. His three point percentage is elite, and he's a good defender. He has some similarity to Finney-Smith, though he's a better shooter and hasn't developed as well on defense. He's young enough that he could still get much better, but even as is, many teams would love to add him in the mix.

[@navenorac1733]

Damn bro hates killian hayes 🤣 I get it tho.

[@wordtomymuvva5063]

He is ass tho so I’m not mad 😂😂😂😂

[@bigbangbasketball]

😂😂 ruthless

[@The_OGJP]

Them stats is sad tho 😂

[@staydiligent7325]

Killan SUPER SOFT

[@jaymoney6233]

Man I thought he was being rough on Killian but damn bro is a 30% shooter from the field 😩😩😩😩

[@Mekukuri]

Patrick Williams is a solid player. You aren't going to score much if you're going to be the fifth scoring option. Is he playing 4th overall worthy? Not really, but there have been worse. Should the Bulls move on from Vucevic, DeRozan, Lavine and tank once they have full control of their picks again, I think Patrick Williams could be the next Luol Deng for the team.

[@LL-si9cl]

Jordan Poole dropped 18.5 ppg while being the 5th best player on GS Gary Trent JR dropped 18.3 ppg while being 5th best player in 2021 Raptors

[@Sleepyboiwonder]

Cap

[@Coopedupallnight]

what u smokin i want some

[@jayward8237]

18:02 awesome video!

[@I_Ace]

As a bulls fan, he just isn't developing well, the build developing team sucks ass and P Will isn't looking very good

[@ND-OPS]

Killing his own team Hayes

[@KillaWhale209]

Davion has found his way back into the rotation as of recently and has played extremely well. He does what we drafted him to do defensively. His shot will come with more min and i love him but know he can excel as a starter

[@wobbafett2464]

another "we" person lol

[@LessGo7921]

@@wobbafett2464who cares?

[@BoredAddict_]

Who's here after Killian got waived 😂

[@forthdimension686]

I feel bad for him. Imagine what that does to a 21 year olds mental health

[@Gothiccbadboy666]

@@forthdimension686oh yeah being millionaire at 21 is so terrible dude still have all time in the world to make a comeback and meanwhile going to play in a summer league trust me it could be worse

[@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains]

Lets be honest. When piston played my celtics live. I usually search up opponent good players for their jersey no. Or name to see their stats when they are playing well against us. But i had to search for 2 names. Cade and jersey no.7 I must know who tf the no.7 since hes playing so bad against my team that i know why the piston is on such a long losing streak

[@MrBubblecake]

@@forthdimension686 bro shut up, he literally did it to himself with his refusal to work on his game and stop forcing up bricks

[@Mavsforlife41]

​@@forthdimension686he shouldn't have been trash 🤷

[@BrickFighter13]

I’m surprised Dwight Powell from the Dallas Mavericks didn’t make this list. I mean come on the man broke Kyrie’s leg and has been a most mid big man in the entire NBA I know bro got drafted in like 2014 but still. He’s over stayed his welcome from far too long.

[@elchugilito]

Kleber and Dwight Powell both bozo big men 😂😂😂

[@spidamitchell8311]

Playing in the nba 10 seasons is decent. Hayes and Kai jones is funny how much they were busts Same with ntlikina, Knox, bagley, Giles, and wiseman.

[@SonnyK248]

Man I've said this for a while. If Golden State had drafted Melo then their number twelve pick the next year is probably off the table. But their seventh pick the following year stays where it is because it was The Wolves pick from the DLo trade. Just imagine that team today with Melo and Franz Wagner who they could have taken over Kuminga 🤯

[@petersim1710]

For real, drafting Wiseman instead of Ball killed Warriors dynasty and future. They could have just traded Melo for a good big after drafting him too just unlucky that Wiseman didn’t pan out to be a good player.

[@TheTagues9421]

Kuminga is finally unlocked and we would still select him over Franz

[@islimeyewout6316]

Kuminga can still be better than franz

[@SonnyK248]

@@islimeyewout6316 I don't think so. Also Franz would be a much better fit in Golden State.

[@TheTagues9421]

@@SonnyK248 Kuminga has been averaging double digits since December,2,2024 so he is finally here and he will soon be our franchise player

[@Daroach12]

It’s kinda crazy. 10 years ago teams like the Knicks, jazz, sixers and magic were the bums alongside the pistons. A lot has changed with the others but the pistons remain ass

[@MrBubblecake]

Jazz still sucks And so do the 76ers

[@Daroach12]

@@MrBubblecake you’re right the jazz have kinda reverted back to sucking but they did have a good stretch for a while in between. Sixers used to go 10-72 and shit but yeah still bums

[@jaycruz10]

It’s so crazy seeing Reddish struggle offensively when in HS and in College he was viewed as a smooth versatile scorer and even compared to Paul George coming out

[@michaelpetrovich5353]

Must have had a hell of a mixtape that fooled a lot of people.

[@AugustV3ryOwn]

If you tracked Cam's progression at Duke then his NBA turnout isn't surprising. He started the season hot but quickly became a non-factor. I think a lot of people thought he was overlooked because he was a 3rd option on a team with a trigger happy RJ Barrett and obviously, Zion was a dog that season but even as a 3rd option, Cam was shooting under 40% from the field and 33% from 3 I believe. I think he needed another year or two before he came out tbh but I get that he wanted the money and felt like he was ready

[@jcrespo200]

it's bc of this 3 ball happy league players don't have value anymore to teams if they can't shoot which it shouldn't be you need good role players that do the grunt work but that getting lost in this Era

[@lazarperic4525]

​@@jcrespo200 cap, there are still great role players around. Just because he ain't good enough to be a "good role player" doesn't mean that "this era ruined him" or whatever

[@shadow_realm47]

@@jcrespo200 40% from 3 shooting 6 or more is not a big ask for a pro player, teams are shooting 40 threes a game or more. 2 transition buckets 2 put-back dunks and 2 threes made is 14ppg. Add 3/4 on free throws and that's 17ppg.

[@midwestfinest9563]

I’m enjoying the longer videos. It especially great when I’m at work and don’t have to worry about picking back up my phone after 5 minutes haha

[@canadianchungus701]

When you got Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green on your team, you are anything but "under pressure". Poole is similar to Duncan Robinson - very good at one thing and when that thing disappears, they become a trade chip

[@brucelau2023]

Golden State warriors even drafting killed their dynasty after having a much incredible generation of drafting their own core , how crazy is that truly

[@kiro_memes3111]

They draft 1 bad player on a weak class and that's what killed their dynasty? Their dynasty killed themselves. Draymond's tomfoolery with other players (both from and not from the team) and the team's FO decision making killed it

[@jaguareagle7026]

I swear I just saw a girl coming from Germany ONLY to see Killian Hayes and then this video shows up XDXDXD Talk about life

[@JadenJPDB]

The biggest issue in Killian is that he is chucking up shots and always make bad decisions. He will be 23 this upcoming offseason. He is chucking up shots after shots and then has tunnel vision and struggles to finish the rim or make passes to his own teammates. his defense is also a liability as he is just an average defender due the lack of lateral quickness which will hurt the team even more. Now anytime if any teams is being guarded by him they can just dribble through his glaring weakness which is mentioned on his defense.

[@andergarcia4953]

He has a lot of issues the reason why he chuck up shot is because hes a weak shot creator. His handle is very weak and hes not athletic slasher so he struggles to score in isolations. So hence why hes basically chuck up shots. And is jumpshot needs work

[@primetimemiles15]

Only biggest strength for hayes is his playmaking and defense if he works more on that he’ll be still be in the league

[@JadenJPDB]

@@primetimemiles15 Yeah

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

_On Davion Mitchell:_ if you are a backup PG in your mid 20s who’s 6’1 with a 6’4 wingspan and still can’t shoot or playmake, you might as well play overseas.

[@wspTre]

davion on the defensive side is one of the best

[@justhuy7960]

@@wspTre agree his defensive performance last year vs Steph in the playoff was incredible, suprised that Andy didn't talk much about his defense

[@kevin54524]

Typical Andy video..He always have an almost perfect take then make a mistake in 1 point or player.lol @@justhuy7960

[@anthonytrevino3191]

Spurs will take a flier on him

[@awakenman209]

Davion Mitchell did not kill the kings , regardless of his weaknesses , he still has valuable strengths like his defensive abilities which is what the kings needs the most , so far he is still improving his skills nonetheless.

[@scottv5587]

Pwill is solid. He can shoot and defend. That archetype is valuable

[@JC4.72]

I love these longer videos they’re so awesome. Gives me more analysis to put into my head

[@travismcnamara8919]

Excellent video as always! I love the more in depth nature of this longer type of video. Your efforts are appreciated!

[@strictlyent2236]

You lost me at Patrick Williams. He has off games but he’s nowhere near killing our team

[@leoprince691]

He's still a bust, tho.

[@strictlyent2236]

@@leoprince691 for being a 4th overall pick that’s fair to say

[@lukesmith9692]

Giving minutes at PF and he doesn't do anything

[@AirRusher1992]

That's a harsh reality to hear if you're that player mentioned in this video.

[@EasilyPullingUpFromDeep]

Thought he was about to talk about some NBA Serial Krillers. But every bust pick would drop 40 in an open gym😂

[@JTD2001]

😂😂

[@OK-yy6qz]

Everyone knows this it doesn't change the fact they're making their teams worse. A CBA benchwarmer could drop 40 in an open gym. If you're playing basketball professionally at any capacity and can't drop 40 on some hobbyists playing every other weekend tf are you even doing?

[@johndavis9321]

​@@OK-yy6qzexactly that argument has always been dumb you literally get paid to play ball have access to training equipment and facilities the average Joe doesn't you better be able to ball against a bunch of geezers and average Joe's

[@OK-yy6qz]

@@johndavis9321 for real i don't get this type of flex. Are we supposed to be impressed that he can outplay teenagers and middle aged white collar workers?

[@johndavis9321]

@@OK-yy6qz exactly

[@thetwiggamingchannel9578]

How does Malaki Branham not get mentioned AT ALL when he has the next worst plus minus out of anyone in the league besides scoot, is arguably the worst defender in the whole league, can't pass for shit, turns the ball over because he has no handle, and overall has negative aura? As a spurs fan I can say that I am one of Branham's biggest opps and would want nothing more than him to leave San Antonio. The ONLY thing he can do is shoot 3s but that doesn't make up for any of his flaws at all.

[@buzzerbeater3350]

I told people for years when he was drafted Hayes wasn't going to make it.

[@pool5863]

i think davion just needs a change of scenery. he'll be a solid backup PG

[@Loganody]

Pistons had 3 draft busts on one team. Wiseman is borderline. Hayes is out of the league and I think livers is too or he's about to be...forgot they had bagley too.

[@nxxdle_]

what about this player? “oh this is when he was drafted. but he sucked. maybe he could become a 3 and D player or go to china. its funny because I don’t watch foreign basketball. he’s bad. very bad.” great video dude

[@markszubulis]

darius garland was basically the worst player in the league a couple of years ago but now he's ballin, so we shouldnt worry abou Scoot yet

[@equalspro]

Bro if I was called bad and useless I'd be done 😭

[@uniontpke772]

I love the longer videos. Keep up the great work.

[@nicknav09]

You clearly don’t watch the Kings

[@ChicagoBulls3x2]

Mitchell sucks 😂😂😂

[@gtdmarlon]

remember when overtime did a small documentary series on Killian hayes thinking he was gonna be an NBA all star

[@YuShawStang]

I got back here after Killian got waived.

[@timl9724]

A couple of these guys are defensive specialists who are bad only on one side of the ball. Hayes, for example, is actually a good and versatile defender, which is a big reason why he gets minutes. He also is a decent table-setter and play caller. As was mentioned, he can run the pick-and-roll. As bad as his offense has been, he has improved every year, which is another sign that he could carve out a role in the league. His rookie contract is almost done, so what's left of this season really will affect his future in the NBA, or lack thereof.

[@soulobeats1352]

I told people Cam wasnt it since his first week at Duke. Those people are STILL holding out hope. It's embarrassing smh. Salute to Cam for succeeding at life though.

[@kevkev3797]

Should have included DeAndre Ayton 😂

[@spidamitchell8311]

He’s had several solid seasons yes he may be a disappointment but not a total bust. But he gets hate for his lack of effort!

[@carlosroman2905]

@@spidamitchell8311he is just satisfied with his performance and not willing to improve and the crazy thing is he is young and has so much room to improve and be a great defender but he chooses not to do it .

[@BurghFinsFan]

I think it's fair to add Scoot to this list. At the time of the draft, the Hornets were getting flamed for picking Brandon Miller over him. Right now, that appears to have been the right decision. Scoot had a ton of hype. I hope he figures it out.

[@hotpot328]

tf you talkin bout🤣🤣 he didnt even finished his first season as a PG

[@Droppindimmmes]

I’m not gonna lie, these Ignite guys got me skeptical

[@leoprince691]

​@hotpot328 doesn't matter, he's gonna be a role player or decent stater at best. Nothing about him in the NBA screams star potential. Plus he comes from the G League Ignite, which hasn't produced any real stars. Maybe he'll prove everyone wrong, but I doubt it.

[@Austin-l1j]

@@leoprince691kuminga is probably going to be the best ignite player.

[@a1sincedayone]

@@hotpot328doesn’t change the fact that he’s been bad

[@RatedPR]

"not just Killian Hayes" gave me a chuckle

[@ND-OPS]

Draymond is one of the greatest defenders of our era but he will be remembered as the draymond that we know today, the guy that can't control himself from hurting other players and the Guy that killed the warriors dynasty.

[@westbrick6393]

I mean, he won 4 rings with them, he is killing them since 2022 ring.

[@arnellsmith]

No he won’t lol you just tryna sound cool😭 in 10 years ain’t nobody finna gaf

[@gabriellavasquez9120]

Nah as a 4 ring CHAMPION

[@loudpockets788]

Jordan Poole just a bitch 😂 real ones know if y’all fight, that should make you closer

[@ND-OPS]

@@arnellsmith yeah just like how we know bill laimbeer today? he's literally one of the first stretch bigs but we know him as the most hated NBA player ever

[@jrjr6352]

Great video I liked all the metrics you shared to make the case of how bad these players are playing.

[@bosyogurtlight]

I still laugh at the people saying Hayes was going to become good (some even said he was already good 😂😂😂)

[@JacionBryant]

As a bulls what are you talking about pat Williams is doing his job play defense shoot 3s he had his best year last year he a good 3 and d and when Zach lavin got hurt he look good

[@casualgamer177]

Adding scoot to this list just isn’t right.Darius garland was once the worst player statistically as a rookie and now he is one of the best guards in the league

[@westbrick6393]

Damn, having worse bpm than Shaqtin a Poole... I feel bad for Scoot.

[@chrilpy]

Haven’t watched yet but you better have included Giddey. He hurts the spacing and makes offense harder for everyone. The team is so much better when he’s not on the floor

[@westbrick6393]

But OKC is still winning, he put players on losing teams.

[@Shaz-Daz]

There had to be someone that was going to target Giddey ..might as well be you i guess 😏🙄

[@will-sully]

Speaking as a Pistons fan who generally agrees that Killian has been a disappointment and that it's probably time to move on from him, it's very unfair to say that he "didn't meet any of his projected strengths". Hayes is an excellent defender, definitely above average in the NBA for his position, and for the most part is a decent facilitator with good court awareness. Yes his shooting has been abysmal, and in an offense-driven league you just can't get past that unfortunately, but in other aspects he's not far removed from his projections.

[@teddythian3955]

Always love your vid always insightful

[@zachpaulson9969]

This just makes the timberwolves coming out of the 2020 draft with 2 stars look that much more impressive

[@Shaz-Daz]

You could almost put Jalen Green on the list...almost 😅👀

[@Iaintsayinnothin..]

He’s a good player, but he doesn’t play to win, just plays for ‘his’.

[@JeremyGraczyk]

This didn't age well

[@KB-qk1ic]

Even with Wiseman and Hayes being front and center, we can't call 2020 the worst draft. Anthony Edwards Lamelo Ball Tyrese Haliburton Tyrese Maxey Desmond Bane Immanual Quickly Cole Anthony put this above a few drafts 2013 still exists 2000 still exists

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Killian Hayes no IMPROVEMENT HIS SHOOTING

[@berryesseen]

I genuinely expected a video about players like Luka Doncic who got drafted by Atlanta Hawks and dropped 73 points on them a few years later. Seeing a bunch of bad players was surprising.

[@JeremyGraczyk]

A draft that gave the NBA Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton, Tyrese Maxey, Lamelo Ball, Desmond Bane and Devin Vassel is a bust? Are you serious??

[@jujutv2002]

Cam Reddish has a lot of impact on the court his defense is masterful and he’s getting more and more confidence, the teams he was on before never helped with his confidence, he isn’t a bust he’s getting better

[@allenj7613]

Killian is a great playmaker and solid defender his only problem is offense and even that he can hit the mid range and floater while he isn't efficient he can improve especially in a good system that can develop talent like Miami Spurs and Toronto anywhere but Detroit and I bet he develops like he suppose to. Also Killian isn't a scorer he just need to hit the open 3's and he's fine

[@allenj7613]

Also he has a high PNR percentage with two of the worst big men in the league Wiseman and Bagley(ik he got traded) if he gets 25 minutes a game he gets 7/8 assist a night in Detroit who is the worst team in the league with no shooting outside of Burks and Boban I would say Harris also but he doesn't get minutes

[@primetimemiles15]

Exactly he’s decent 2 way playmaker just needs to get trade to a good development team like the spurs. He still young its never to late.

[@platinumboy89]

I’m a Pistons fan and from Detroit, and agree with all of this. He hasn’t killed the team, he’s just not quite what we’d like him to be. His next season (wherever he is) will determine his career trajectory forreal

[@terrencehamilton1925]

No srry he trash

[@StandOnBizness5]

The fact that yall is still defending this trash is insane

[@thatguywesmaranan]

some players get hyped way too much but end up not having what it takes to be at the NBA level...

[@masonvargas3165]

Watching this riiiight after Killian got released.

[@justmyopinion8395]

I thought Poole was going to be an inefficient 20 ppg scorer on the Wizards. He actually landed in a dream scenario to shine and blew it. A bigger role on his own team with no expectations. Same reason Kuzma is content cashing checks in Washington.

[@PSL09]

only reason cam reddish looks bad in LA is cause hes being forced into a 3/d role...hes shown flashes on offense when he's gotten the requisite touches in consecutive games thats allowed him to get in rhythm but his inefficiency has held him back...davion imo is also fine as a pat bev/gabe vincent type

[@cruzjacknife8699]

I was honestly shocked when they gave Ayton a max. I was like "as a rookie who helped get the finals just to lose? I dont agree but ight, best of luck to em" and sure nuff

[@lifeisbutamoment]

Patrick Williams is by far the best player on this list, if you take out the first 10 games of the season he in which he shit the bed absolutely he really hasn’t been that bad. James wiseman just doesn’t care to improve at all, has no skills, has no feel for the game at all

[@edwardbates2559]

I like the longer videos, Ill always watch al the way through

[@sonnyyang5167]

As a Kings fan, everyone knew the Davion pick was bad from the get-go. They drafted Hali the previous year, and already had Fox.

[@crownzion]

9:08 calling the 2020 draft class a dude is fucking nuts when it’s alrdy produced 4 all stars, 3 all nba guys & that’s not even including Des Bane who’s averaged 20+ points over the last 3 season. & was the 2nd leading scorer across 2 yrs that Memphis won 107 regular season games. While also having an impact in the playoffs. Not to mention to mention antman, Hali & maxey’s playoff contributions

[@cuhhplz_1402]

We fw the new content Andy Keep it up and go knicks

[@DGP67kg73kg]

Great video. Like this new long video format.

[@TempoQuin]

We appreciate the longer videos💯

[@WilliamMaakaroun]

Kinda funny how at 7:28 bro was talking about how the bulls were mid while the background was the bulls playing against the hawks 💀

[@benjaminguzmanuribe7680]

Longer videos from you are a pleasure. 😊

[@okra3000]

He told lies of omission on Cam Reddish. His analysis was incomplete and lacked context. Cam Reddish was starting to fill out his potential when was with the Hawks. He was on his way to becoming a solid starter until the poorly ran front office traded him for... Kevin Knox II...🤦‍♂️ Since being traded injuries and lack of confidence have halted his progress. Now that he's with the Lakers his only job is to play defense that's why his stats don't seem that significant.

[@randomando4310]

I think the problem with Killian, as a pistons fan, drafting multiple players at the same position as him was definitely a big hit to his confidence, and lest we forget, Killian right now is still 22, I do believe theres something for him in the league, definitely not to the level of expectations he was given, but maybe a playmaker off the bench that can help defensively (a little)

[@IceCreamDiloTseNice]

To Think Detroit Passed Tyresse For Hayes 😭

[@SnuggieMaple]

The reason the 2020 draft is gonna have so many ''busts'' and misses is pretty simple (it happened in 2020 and 2021 with the NFL too) it was a weird time with Covid and there being not much irl stuff

[@Davivd2]

The Pistons GM needs to be fired, not only fired, but banned from the game of basketball for life. Pete Rose style. Not only for Hayes but for getting Wiseman and Bagley on purpose. All of these players have no business being in the league,

[@Tikitackfouls]

Bagley?

[@Davivd2]

@@Tikitackfouls They got Marvin Bagley. You might not know because he's so bad that he can't even get playing time on the Pistons and didn't even realize he is on the roster.

[@WestCoastCheeseHead]

Davion Mitchell isn’t a bad player and sounds corny but he looks like the new Kyle Lowry, Lowry had the same offensive struggles early in his career

[@theophilusjones6024]

Even though you’re not posting on Wednesday’s anymore, We love the long videos Andy 🫡🐐

[@topher8670]

Longer Andy Hoops videos oh yes

[@ty50bmg11]

The 2020 draft class has guys like Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Hailiburton, Tyrese MAxey, Lamelo Ball so its not a complete dud

[@dreamcage1801]

Josh green

[@yungtago9161]

Feel like Patrick Williams doesn't really belong here. Sure for the 4th overall pick he's kinda mid but all he's been asked to do is be a 3 and D player and he's been effective at both of those things.

[@gzuspeterson4748]

Are you blaming players for gms and scouts over reaching when drafting them based on potential

[@peterraz9511]

Iam from Germany Ulm and Hayes played there befor. He was not efficient and not dominating the legeau. He wasnt even the best player in his team. Theis played in Ulm too. He was fckn destroying everything!

[@airhead1218]

the 2020 draft class was abysmal, i think this was the first draft without the NBA combine because of quarantine

[@tookay4ever]

I feel like Davion Mitchell is the ultimate Bust of the past 10 seasons. He was going to easily play as good or better than Hield but it never came to fruition

[@gscollect]

Definitely liked the doughty longer form video. I agree it allowed you explain a lot more than usual.

[@edgardls95]

Cam Reddish has been balling as a Laker. Its not his fault the team has needed him to be the 5th best player on the team, when hes at best the 8th/9th guy off the bench. You bring him in with the second unit to make some plays on the defensive end and keep that team energy up.

[@OzMoney]

As a Bulls fan, I wasn’t excited about the Patrick Williams pick from day one.