They Hate These 10 RPGs But I Love Them!

[@davidvinc]

Like this page and what I do here? Consider supporting me on patreon! www.patreon.com/davidvinc [0:46] - 5) Valkyrie Profile [1:40] - 4) Rogue Galaxy [2:45] - 3) The Legend of Dragoon [​3:48] - 2) Chrono Cross [4:41] - 1) Final Fantasy VIII [5:57] - 5) PoPoLoCrois [6:48] - 4) Beyond the Beyond [7:42] - 3) Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter [​8:33​] - 2) Arc Rise Fantasia [9:28] - 1) The 7th Saga

[@egregiousarts6088]

No one likes FFVIII! Best FFS are, 7, 9, 6, 5, 12, & 10, in almost any order. FF13, FF8, and FF2 ARE TERRIBLE!!! I didn't even play 15, despite owning it for almost 3 years!!! Too busy playing the SMT games, FF7R, DQ11, the Dishonored franchise, and yes, COD WW2 Multiplayer.

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

I actually liked this vid a lot. I got five hidden gem RPGS that I need to look into now! One game I personally like a lot even though a lot of people hate it is Symphonia 2, btw. I know it's a mess, but I really like the characters.

[@speechlesshermit8588]

Honestly I'm relieved. I pretty much agree with everything that's on the hate list.

[@zerogold8717]

Props. Chrono Cross most overrated game. People were giving it 10's across the board. I wouldn't give it a 6.

[@speechlesshermit8588]

@@zerogold8717 Saaaaaame. Honestly you have to glued to a guide if you don't want to miss anything. That was my main issue aside from... everything else

[@exalt1470]

Maybe reviewers liked them, but I definitely see Chrono Cross and ff8 get plenty of flack on the internet.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

Yeah, and kind of the opposite thing happened with The Legend of Dragoon (it got fairly mixed reviews at the time, but became heralded as a cult-classic on the internet.) Rogue Galaxy had a very positive reception overall, but it still gets a decent amount of flack for the reasons mentioned in this video. The only one that everyone really seems to love is Valkyrie Profile.

[@irvingkirvan5284]

Came here to say this! Since when do people like FF8 or Chrono Cross? If I made my own list in the style of this video I would have put Chrono Cross in my list of games I love and everyone else dogged because they were expecting it to be Chrono Trigger 2.

[@koloth5139]

@@irvingkirvan5284 I like FF8. But yea I hated Chrono Cross for specifically that reason. I did expect it to be Chrono Trigger 2. If they had named it anything else I might have given it more of a chance.

[@irvingkirvan5284]

Koloth Yeah that’s valid. It’s definitely not better than Chrono Trigger, but I really enjoyed it still. Had an interesting setting and vibe and I love games where there are a lot of characters to recruit. I also enjoy the vibe and setting of FF8 though it’s far from my favorite of the series, but I think I gets more hate then it deserves. The skill system is a bit convoluted but it’s also kinda fun to totally break the game early on with the card concerting skills.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@irvingkirvan5284 Yeah, same. I don`t think Chrono Cross is on the level of Chrono Trigger... Some of the optional characters are indeed really weird, and the battle system is kinda slow, and the game overall feels a bit bloated, (it bothered me how many characters were introduced to the story and then kind of forgotten without ever getting a proper arc or resolution) but... Damn, it had a fantastic soundtrack, some of the best visuals on a PS1 game, interesting story, and setting, and I liked the way the main characters were handled, at least. I kinda wish people would stop hating on games simply because of "how they compare to their predecessor", and judged them on their own merits. Although I get that when you are really invested in a franchise it can be a difficult thing to do.

[@Nickzstuff]

I dont think reviewers are inherently a bad thing. Everyones got an opinion but taking any review as "gospel" is always a mistake. I didnt agree with all your choices but enjoyed what choices ya had! :D

[@Hopper_Arts]

Yeah, i disagree with a lot of things this channel says, but when he talks about good shit, he talks about good shit

[@garfreeek]

I will never forget Zelda : skyward sword was one of the highest rated games ever. That game is a 6/10 (at most! )

[@thewingedavenger1007]

Your "gospel" approach to reviews has to do with the fact that most "reviewers" on KZbin don't really review the games, instead just telling you "yo guys, this game is awesome!" or "damn, this game suuuuuuuuuuucks!". A good review is one that gives you enough info to decide whether you might like a game or not, regardless of whether the reviewer likes it or not. As far as I know, only about ten people on this platform are capable of that, and Davidvinc is one.

[@dialaskisel5929]

Ah, this should be fun. "Games I hate" *first entry* "Valkyrie Profile..." Hoo boy, strap in, boys! We're in for a wild ride!

[@darksteellotus3694]

Saw the first entry an I was like hmmmm, saw rogue galaxy and i smashed the dislike button like a couple of times...

[@sparthyslaysstuff2405]

Nothing said was wrong though. The biggest flaw of Valkyrie Profile is the reality that it's next to impossible to get the 'real' ending without resorting to a guide and engaging in some tedious micromanagement. Worse still, unlike other games that do multiple endings the B ending is basically a slap in the face to play the game again.

[@timbermaniac5756]

@@sparthyslaysstuff2405 Yeah. They're all good games. But his critiques weren't off-base.

[@scarletrose8766]

SparthySlaysStuff sorry to break it to ya I got VP lenneth A ending on the first try lol no guides at all I'm just a relic hoarder I dint give them back to Odin but still care enough not to hit 0 seal value cause I dunno what it does or what it leads and getting the requirements done cause I have nothing better to do in that chapter before an actual story plot related happens you can say that's pure luck but hey that was the path I wanted to take and repeating the story cause you missed the A ending I don't think you should be getting A ending as default B ending was good enough for default at least they aren't forcing you to the C ending like other games which is like to worst ending then unlocks the better endings

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

@@scarletrose8766 Your story just proves his point since you admittedly just stumbled into the ending without having any idea what you were doing. Now I'm not going to go so far as to say that Valkyrie Profile is a bad game, but keeping vital information from the player is a huge negative.

[@thomasstockman9535]

It looks like my request for a Valkyrie profile let’s play will go unheeded, lol.

[@laowhy86]

“Says Legend of Dragoon sucks” - *My Man...* “FF8 is the worst game ever” - *fml...*

[@autobotstarscream765]

"It focused on Summons and stars a bunch of school kids..." When you put it like that, you make FFVIII sound less like a Final Fantasy game and more like an SMT/Persona game. 😂

[@stevengu1253]

Though I think the art for Persona looks better.

[@alexvazquez5087]

He says that but loves ff7 also a futuristic aesthetic

[@_Tizoc_]

Final Fantasy 8 is a great game even if it doesn’t meet the expectations set for you by the other 7 before it

[@Berek71182]

FF7 is overhyped with trash-simple-gameplay that also forced you to play dozen of minigames for hours or days. And the same bunch of people who like FF7 are shitting on the DRAW System of FF8 and Kimahri in FF10 (who need to use the full potential of the sphere-leveling) because they failed to play these two systems effectivly.

[@Jjydvfgcmsr]

Man I love Chrono Cross but I totally see where you're coming from. The main problem with that game is one's expectations coming into it. Most people were expecting a Chrono Trigger 2, and the way this was developed was truly a bit like you expressed it. They wanted to do "The opposite". I believe the team had such an awful time developing the first game (Mitsuda reportedly had to admit himself into the hospital after the release, cause he had overworked himself at the cost of his own health) that they were like... "Let's not do that" so they tried to create something as far removed from the original as possible. If you come into the game expecting a second Trigger, boy are you in for a disappointment. But if you take it with a clean slate, as a completely original game with a loose connection via lore with the first, this game is such a treat. And yeah I do aknowledge that the fact that this connection is revealed over a huge exposition dump near the end of the game is a bit crap. But the rest is nice :) Also, it's truly dumb to get mad cause someone else doesn't like a game you like, who does that? Oh, yeah... the internet, I forgot

[@beruga]

Also the soundtrack in CC is hands down the best in all of video gaming. I feel like this factor alone elevates the game to legendary status (at least for me) since it captures a sense of nostalgia and adventure in every track.

[@trizzwiz9368]

Chrono Cross does successfully create it's story apart from Trigger, but they are definitely connected. You don't necessarily have to play one to fully understand the other, but playing both really does encompass the story and gives more insight into the whole Dinopolis and Schala scenarios. A great series with a kinda confusing plot, I think the Chrono franchise could use a breath of fresh air after such a long time

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

@@trizzwiz9368 yea if only we would've gotten Radical Dreamers. That game ties Trigger and Cross together in small but meaningful ways. Its tough cus its a text adventure, but its important for the story.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@WhatAboutZoidberg well, cross was actually more a remake of radical dreamers. so most of the "but it isnt chrono trigger enough" comes from that.

[@tpolutts3309]

loving ct but hating cc has always seemed a bit like " i cant like this beautiful ruby because last year I saw a better diamond" Cc is not ct2 but it is still a worthwhile game artistically and playwise

[@svenislegend]

I love Legend of Dragoon. I played it a couple years back and it still holds up beautifully for me

[@Jack_80]

me too, never get tired of pulling off those tougher additions. combat in many other rpgs felt kinda bland after dragoon's amazing addition system.

[@redmage8719]

I have already beaten The Legend of Dragoon 6 times and i am already planning out my 7th run through before i even start it.

[@Slappaccino]

I like the game, but it's painfully slow lol.

[@finalshade14]

@@Slappaccino this

[@romangarcia8706]

yes was one of the best rpgs for the PS1

[@followertheleader]

Does ff8 have problems? Yes. Does it have an awesome soundtrack? Also yes.

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

Its Uematsu, im pretty sure that man isnt capable of making a bad sountrack to a game

[@senor-achopijo3841]

I like FF8. I don't really get all that hate for the junction system and drawing magic and I like its futuristic setting. However, it's also one of my least favorite FF games. The story's just all over the place, with plot twists that simply don't matter at all. Some characters are downright annoying (I'm looking at you, Squall and Seifer) and the romance between Squall and Rinoa is just meh in my opinion. I'm glad I played it once, but I think it's gonna be a long time before I play it again.

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

@@senor-achopijo3841 Honestly yeah its an ok game, but a terrible Final Fantasy which up till then most games had been really good...save for FF2 but we dont talk about that one. I give Squall a bit of a pass as first off I DO NOT get why everyone thinks hes the best person to go to for advice or a therapy session, like he says if you want someone to listen to your problems talk to a wall your going to get the same response. Second legit look who he has for team mates (horny teacher, ADHD man guy who in a world of guns, robots and literal summoned gods...punches things, Girl who im pretty sure huffs paint (and is the insanely enough the one who tends to fuck up the least on missions, Sharpshooter who uses a shotgun (huh?) who hits on anything with a pair of legs and tits, and a retarded resistance leader who your boss sold you into slavery for) if i had to deal with that level of incompetence everyday id become a massive dick also or try and swallow my gunblade rapidly pulling the trigger the entire time. The story agreed makes little sense overall but as its less about overcoming a great evil though cunning or strength and more who can fail hard enough to give the other side an advantage. As for the junction system the problem i have with it is flat out, its broken. You either dont get it and will get absolutely bodied by normal encounters, or you understand it and are basically playing in god mode...there is no balance.

[@kainshannarra2451]

also had some amazing FMVs, but after finishing it, I haven't gone back and played though again.

[@sleepedge8257]

FF 8 isn't perfect but the visuals and aesthetics were amazing for the time period and the soundtrack is actually my favorite final fantasy OST on par with FF vi and ix

[@paulburton4189]

Chrono Cross, Legend of Dragoon and FF8 are three of my favorite games. Still giving a thumbs up for your opinion, man. Lol.

[@GamingDreamer]

Me too, I may give someone thump down even if they like my games if it one of those list that just the covers and no commentary. Thump up for the good work

[@fredrikjonsson8126]

as to you a thumbs up for people that like different games!

[@alexvanderpool88]

They are three of my favorites too! 😅

[@barborablaskova]

I also take every review like a personal opinion and I rather judge game by myself...and I must say for me Legend of dragoon have great story, for me if a game have great story, I don´t care for battle system, graphics..etc, I doesn´t matter cause I want to see ending so badly...

[@riyuphoenix4533]

I love those game also. He has a valid point about the games flaws though.

[@nickdaulton7340]

I love Legend of Dragoon! God I love how much you hate it! Made my day, honestly. I LOVE when people passionately hate something I like for some reason. I dont ever mind someone having a differing opinion than mine, but when the hate is REAL, the creativity of the insults are amazing. Love this dude.

[@rpgranked]

Hahahaa

[@Frionelz]

You are on some masochist shit 😂

[@iceflake6179]

ngl having ff8 kinda hurt me, but then i realized that opinions are made to be stated as most are not a hopeless romantic like me. great vid keep up the good work!

[@Eener1000]

FF8 has some of the coolest FMVs in any FF game (anything with the ragnarok!), but gameplay and content wise it felt extremely rushed and kinda empty in a way, even when I played it as kid back then after ff7. It had a special atmosphere though.

[@lostnumber08]

David, I've watched a shitload of your videos and I just wanted to say that they are great and I hope you keep making content.

[@-lord1754]

Becoming a JRPG fan has taught me that you should never listen to reviewers. Considering after the recent Nintendo Direct, journalists are now saying SMT is the Persona spinoff, you really can't trust anything they say lol

[@egregiousarts6088]

Meanwhile, SMT has existed since 1992, and Megami Tensei since 1987, and inspired POKEMON, the biggest franchise in the history of all media, and entertainment.

[@juanortiz9123]

Damm so called "pro journalists" :/

[@applewind9318]

FOR REAL?! Man... Persona was a mistake. Edit: And "Journalists" are worse, they don´t even play the game they review!

[@butterballporkbunthetoymak]

Applewind persona wasn't a mistake but my God are some of people raging anuses

[@Chernobog2]

I think they've been doing that since SMTIV. Remember "the Dark Souls of the Persona series?"

[@kcmac9298]

Lol, your top four over rated is almost the same as mine, just flip top two. And for Cross fans that think it's story is a higher level of thinking and not a convoluted mess, I think this argument on reddit pretty much sums it up the best: "You're welcome to explain the deep meaningful plot of how the old guy from Chrono Trigger who gives you the airship planned for a small child to contract an illness, have his dad sail into the robot city that controls the flow of time where he causes a dimensional split and the supercomputer coded by Lucca to manage time spends 10 years teamed up with the dragon god of the moon who's his mortal enemy in order to kill the main character so that he'd run into Schala's reincarnation, then switches bodies with his dad who's trying to kill him because that's what the Chrono Cross does when it's not powered up, where he frees all the dragons from another dimension where the reptites won, who got transported back in time, lost against the evil supercomputer who's also your dad, then got split up into 6 dragons just chilling on these islands, who are trying to fuck with the world in order to power up the Chrono Cross in order to extract Schala from Lavos, who is now devouring time instead of the world. yeah very good paced plot that isn't convoluted at all. Nobody's denying chrono trigger is a simple game but you see, it was simple and well executed. Every part of Chrono Trigger fit nicely with every other part of Chrono Trigger, down to a stupid minigame at the first event you pass. Chrono Cross has a relationship map that makes no sense with characters who have no reason to join the party past "well we made them a character portrait, guess you're in the party."

[@biz0unc3]

I don't see Chrono Cross as a sequel, but a spinoff of sorts. Evidence? It isn't called Chrono Trigger 2.

[@PissedGrunty]

But it is definitely a sequel. A big part of its story is patching up a loose end from Chrono Trigger.

[@josepartida1711]

By any chance were you a kid back then when it was released? Because gamepro and the other game magazines and media hyped it up as a sequel.

[@CtheDead209-zt8tj]

The developer said it himself it's not a sequel... he created I think he would know he literally did multiple interviews leading up to release saying it was in no way shape or form a sequel....

[@megasoniczxx]

Big fan of Rogue Galaxy but I can kind of understand your problems with it even though they never bothered me too much. I won't lie though, I actually wish it was a bit harder in terms of difficulty since once you get past zerard, outside of the solo battle with dingo, the game never really challenges you much as it did within the opening hours (just like DC2) and on future playthroughs you start realizing that block cancelling your attacks makes combat a non-issue so long as you're paying attention and lets you get in and out of an enemies attacks with relative ease since everything attacks pretty slow. Only thing I will agree with is that the balancing is pretty wack. The screen wipe attacks needed more hard counters to them since late game you can just walk into a fight, spam them and the enemy will be dead before they even have a chance to move, items should've been used in real time as well as using up points on the action bar so that you couldn't just tank a hit and then be free to heal it all back up. This would probably solve your issue with the damage too since the only reason it is so high is more than likely to make up for the fact that you can pause and heal (I just thank god it doesn't reach one shot levels of bad like Nier Automata) and make you have to think before using one, the amounts could also just be decreased as well. Another problem is that character balance is massively skewed in favor of Jaster, Kisala and Zegram who get the best skills in the game and while the others aren't bad, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage a lot of the time with anybody else. Jaster in particular is pretty stupid since you can get his best skill very early if you know what to put on and his best weapon for the last chunk of the main game can be gotten by the time your halfway through it with relative ease, not only invalidating the weapons that you DO actually need to go on a scavenger hunt and crafting sidequest for but also putting him leaps and bounds above everyone else because no other character gets a weapon this powerful even by the end of the game. Sorry this post went on a bit long, I tend to rant when talking about the games I enjoy a good deal.

[@fenniken5381]

hey, everyone has their own tastes, for instance i actually like lunar dragon song, and i feel there are rpgs released nowadays that aren't hallway simulators and have a lot of charm.

[@fenniken5381]

for instance, there's currantly a kick-starter for a spiritual successor of suikoden with many big names, including the scenario writers for suikoden one and two, it officially starts in a few days, but i hope it earns enough for console releases.

[@davidvinc]

I saw that too! That's amazing

[@nanoglitch6693]

I enjoyed Lunar DS also but I still have to agree it was objectively a bad game.

[@fenniken5381]

@@nanoglitch6693 not saying it isn't, but my stance is, if it's a game you enjoy, then to you it's a good game, games may be more interactive than books or movies, but their supposed to be fun or enjoyed, if a game can do that, it doesn't have to be perfect. it's a matter of opinion, and that's the core of this vid, opinions, he's not right or wrong, david just prefers other things to the games he dislikes, i myself have never once said you must like this game, play what you want.

[@Blueshellkyle]

fenni ken ohh what’s that called so I can look it up?

[@Undeadspelldragon]

Golden Sun needs a critical eye cast on it, especially the first one. It got a perfect score from Nintendo Power even though the only things well done about it are the visuals and music. The djinn system punishes you for experimenting with different elements, the poor translation even cut out key things like directions of where to go next, and the end is both painfully abrupt and a slap in the face for playing the game.

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

Everything you said about the Dragoon game is the reason people like it. The addition system is fun and interactive, not boring and a waste of time. The item limit is nothing to complain about in my experience and the Dragoon forms and are a special type of atk that are designed to use against particular enemies at the right time.

[@sohutohh]

The moment he implied that not accepting his point of view on this game was bitching I stoped the video. He is an uncultured snob that thinks that just because he has lost his life playing this kind of games his opinion is the only right one. Screw this channel.

[@jrsanders1212]

I think I hated the addition system in legend of dragoon so much that i spend enough time grinding to buy the "Additions auto work" accessory as soon as possible. And I never got over that FF8 had a level max of 100 and kept in level 5 death.

[@Zelkiiro]

ST-DEF-J Death. What Level 5 Death?

[@Vessol]

As a Chrono Cross fan I 100% admit that the game is carried entirely by its atmosphere, music, and graphics. The gameplay is interesting at first (especially the anti grinding mechanics), but quickly becomes stale as you mentioned and the story is a convoluted mess with way too many characters. For me though, it was worth it to be able to experience the amazing world and art that they created to go with the ride.

[@Westile]

7:22 Imagine saying this during the era of "COLLECT THE 4 ELEMENTS" of console RPGs.

[@Thegeektoendallgeeks]

hold up people around you ENJOY FF8? I thought me liking ff8 was the small minority since most people i encounter here hate ff8

[@Raytheman581]

It reviewed well by reviewers though.

[@HybridAngelZero]

Wait,what?! People don't like Arc Rise Fantastia?! People just really did not play the Wii outside of Mario, Zelda and party games, did they? I do want to weigh in with some personal takes of my own. Ones I loved that most people don't seem to: - Time and Eternity - ToS: Dawn of the New World - Tokyo Mirage Sessions - Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories - Shining Resonance Refrain I honestly racked my brain, and I could think of a whole lot of RPGs that I've played a significant amount of but ended up not really liking as much. Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood was really the only one

[@happycat4838]

Time and Eternity was neat!

[@Evilriku13]

ARFs gets shunned for one of the problematic localization (incl the VAs), but also for its apparently boring/generic story, its supposed uninteresting chars, the music being “there“ and the game being too hard, which I can agree on some level that ARF can be quite challenging AND that the dungeons are like Suikoden ones without puzzles necessarly

[@llauram3650]

I played ff8 for the first time last year and you're so wrong

[@magnedeusfenrir9582]

Opinion.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

FFVIII is the very definition of a "love or hate" game, this one of these games that you really need to play to know if you'll like it or not there is no definite answer it completly depend of the players, and honnestly I can't blame anyone for hating the game.

[@asilver50]

I've tried playing it a few times and I just can't get into it. I guess I'm just a chicken wuss.

[@brunohenriqueazevedoborges5490]

@@nesoukkefka1741 As someone that has finished FFVIII three times, I really, really, REALLY don't like it. I played more than once to see if I missed something. Turns out I just don't like it at all.

[@bamboebahr2470]

Kind of a weird flex to give ff8 crap for abandoning swords & sorcery when 6 and 7 before it have done the same to critical acclaim. Don't get me wrong, ff8 had a ton of issues but I don't feel like that was one of them.

[@Tengokuchi]

Lol wat? Magic abandoned in FF6 and 7? How? FF6 revolves around espers and magic. Magic is the easiest way to deal with trash fights in FF7. In 8 the magic is essentially just an addition to your equipment because it's more effective as a stat junction.

[@bamboebahr2470]

@@Tengokuchi i said "swords & sorcery", as in a typical fantasy setting. 6 and 7 had the steampunk and dystopian fantasy theme going jnstead.

[@Ness793]

I agree, wonder why he only mentions 8 and not 7 for doing the same.

[@UliZombie04]

When you really like something is because you have learned to accept all of their flaws Legend of Dragoon has horrible voice acting and additions aren't supposed to be better than Dragoon additions However, Legend of Dragoon still is my favorite game ever and i will never get tired of it, and i want to thank you for being open about your opinion about this game!

[@gargervon8697]

Only the ultimate regular addition skills beat the Dragoon additions for power if you perfectly execute the Dragoon additions (and they do have a weird timing window on the last blow), but yeah. That was kinda weird. But, if you're willing to perfectly execute every addition a character has 80 times each for it or grind for the massive expense of the Ultimate Wargod accessory, especially with Dart or Haschel, you could argue for it making some sense. 😆 By the way, has anyone else thought that LoD has as many similarities to Xenogears as it does to FF, or possibly more? Gear Mode/Dragoon mode, addition skills/attack sequences, a 10,000 year old character/an 11,000 year old character, and a bunch of similar spoilers?

[@TimBitten]

Man! Triple Triad though! lol That was my main motivation for going through the game. It’s a card battler with an RPG attached. 😂

[@autobotstarscream765]

0:24 The quality content we all came for. 🙂

[@louisdellalucca8969]

I LOVED Beyond the Boyond! Any RPG that has secret characters gets bonus points

[@TheRopiak]

Gotta get that summoner. Especially to drag Samson's poisoned ass up that tower.

[@TheTyphoonSwell]

Personally, FF8 is my favorite FF, but I love your lists anyways. Always feel like i find a new game to try! Good stuff as usual.

[@brettwarner719]

I loved it as well but you really had to be open to playing the game differently. Going back later I spent the first few hours playing cards against students and turning iron giants into components. I had a Twin Lancer for Squall before the first mission, and enough good spells like Tornado to junction stats to the moon.

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

Games I liked: Ar Tonelico 2. So many people hated it, I just adored it. Loved its plot, characters like Luca, Cloche, Leglius, Shun, Jacqli, and the unique setting is really nice too. It also got an awesome speed-based battle system where you can strike as many times as you want during your phase and can actually defend from enemy attacks in enemy phase. Though AT1 is mediocre and I don't recommend it. Suikoden 3. I liked the switching POV and the plot, characters like Chris and Geddoe and many others, and especially the main antagonist Luc, not to mention the secret POV of said antagonist if you collected all 108 Stars of Destiny. Also loved the revamped gameplay, with the skill system that allows you to better customize your fighters. Final Fantasy VII Remake. So many people panned the ending for how "nonsensical, weird and lore-ruining" it is. But I personally loved that it left so many questions, which is what an "episode 1 ending" is meant to do, loved the meta-twist about the Whispers, and think that even if you don't have played the original, you can still appreciate it. Games I disliked: Persona 5. I think it was OK. A good game, but not as good in terms of plot as many make it out to be. Also, wasn't fan of the social stat constraints for Social Links, especially Iwai and Haru who require really strict constraints to even start the SL. Also, wasn't a big fan of the characters, I mean, we had Yusuke, Futaba, Makoto, but we also have Ryuji, Ann and Haru. And Joker is my most hated MC in JRPGs ever because Atlus don't know whether they want an established MC or an avatar, so they made a non-character that fails at both. Chrono Trigger. It too was OK. I wasn't particularly impressed by its characters, much less the plot, it ll came across as "decent" to me, though I did like the battle system and dual techs. Though I did love Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes and Chrono Cross.

[@ashleyward3277]

I bought Legend of Dragoon back in the day after all the hype it got from a few PlayStation magazines, hoping for it to be on par with the PS1 Final Fantasy games. Whilst I don't hate LoD, I was pretty underwhelmed by it honestly. Its okay, but personally I find the love for the game a real headscratcher personally. I can't stand Final Fantasy X personally, for me it was the start of the decline of Final Fantasy, with pretty much everything I dislike about the games today feels like it originated from that game. But I seem to be in the minority in holding that opinion.

[@Dhalin]

FFX had a nice battle system, though. It was a nice compromise between ATB and pure Turn-Based, and it would be a very similar battle system that JRPGs would go on to use in games like Shadow Hearts 2, SH3, and a few others. The Sphere Grid was just a hot mess, though. I would have preferred straight levelups and give characters identities and stick to them like FF4 did.

[@KajDarkwind]

You're not alone, for me final fantasy ended after 7. Don't get me wrong, I liked 9 ok actually, but 8, 10, and basically everything after just didn't do anything for me. I did have a bit of fun with FFXIV more recently, but that got boring after awhile and I havent played it since square decided to steal my money. Now I can't buy their games anymore unfortunately. It sucks because before the merger square and enix were probably responsible for the most treasured gaming memories of my childhood. Anyway, I'll stop talking now before I get even further off-topic.

[@Jack_80]

yeah we're definitely in the minority on ffx, it was nowhere near what i wanted. what i wanted and expected was the 7-9 formula with next gen graphics and a slightly bigger world map to navigate and explore. i think that's what most people wanted but the shiny new graphics made them forget everything else at the time. the only reason xiii wasny more popular among the majority is because the graphics upgrade from ps2 to ps3 didn't feel as extreme as the jump from ps1 to ps2. honestly i find the xiii trilogy to be more fun and interesting than x and x-2. and especially enjoyed lightning returns because of the more open structure and the huge amount of customization.

[@Dhalin]

@@Jack_80 I despised 13 because of the wonky decisions made to its battle system design, to be honest, and how on-rails I've read the game is, where it's basically a hallway simulator with battles, and I've seen youtube footage of the other 2 games in the series and.... it's all 5, 6 digit numbers all over the screen, it's like "BIGGER NUMBERS MOAR DAMAGE MOAR FUN!!!!!" ... I was never a fan of absurdly huge numbers in JRPGs. They are just not necessary. That just points to either a lack of proper game balance, or the devs wanting to make everything look cool and flashy when they see *99999* all over the screen several times a second.

[@stevenleonmusic]

I liked Final Fantasy X more on my second attempt to play when I bought the X and X-2 HD remasters but I remember being completely disappointed on my original play-through-I still haven't made it to the very last battle. World exploration is what made the PSX Final fantasies so great (save Tactics which was a gem for other reasons) so the linear nature of X is a major downgrade and Blitz Ball is horrifically boring. Add a crew of unlikeable (Wakka) or just unusable (Kimahri) characters and it's not an easy game to enjoy.

[@gleisonvinicius5469]

I agree. I start to play almost every game you thing is bad in this list because people love. I play some hours and think "The problem it's me or this games are really bad?" Great vid man! You won a sub!

[@Ninjahankin]

I love the 7th saga. The game has replayability, a very unique story and plot twist. The crystal ball system let's you see enemies on the world map as dots. I always wondered why in every rpg you are always alone in the world map, in dungeons and only you have plans to save the world. How come other NPCs are not actively doing the same thing? That is what makes the 7th saga unique.

[@Dhalin]

I loved that 7th Saga had some actual challenge and wasn't "Mash Fight Command to Win" like a lot of RPGs at the time commonly were. Just going attack attack attack in 7th Saga will get you killed fast, and I liked that about the game. I tried playing the Elnard "rebalance" and it was just stupidly easy. They took out like 80% of the challenge and you could just steamroll the game with minimal thought. Meanwhile I'm sitting here going through the NA version with Kamil *solo* (the playthrough is on my channel!), the guy everybody says sucks so bad, lol.

[@Ninjahankin]

@@Dhalin Ya some of the characters are much more easy to use early game. But others get really OP late game. Its always fun to experiment.

[@Dhalin]

@@Ninjahankin If you're doing a solo run, Kamil is all-around the best. He gets heals and offense early, he's well-rounded in offense and defense with decent speed to match, his equipment is good, and he stays powerful the whole game. The only thing he's missing, is buffs but you can carry potions for that. Olvaan's speed is too low which leads to a lot of missing at inopportune times, and his spell list is slightly different (and he has less MP and Magic). The others have obvious weaknesses, such as the elf and the guy with the staff having far less physical offense, the demon, alien, and robot having no self-heals, etc.

[@TheClamatoJuice]

I feel like nowadays Rogue Galaxy is considered bad across the board. When it first came out people raved about it but it definitely didn't age well.

[@darrenplaysvideogames423]

I just played through Legend of Dragoon, and while I still enjoyed the gameplay, I think the story is just ridiculous nonsense and the plot twists come across as silly to me.

[@AdventureMonte]

Something doesn't have to be "good" to like it. Hence why I'm typing this from a Taco Bell drive-thru.

[@thelastofitskind3034]

Final fantasy 8 still my favorite game cause of the story and squall limit break lionheart

[@Thorn99855]

Digging around lately for the closest thing I can find to King's Field for the Switch. I fell in love with this game ages ago. The difficulty, the mysteriousness, the graphics for that time... it just really got me.

[@UnholyAbomination]

While the Legend of Dragoon isn’t for everyone (I love it! My very first game ever!) The music is fantastic.

[@rellsolomon9824]

Amen people are sleeping on this hidden gem

[@Jack_80]

most people who give dragoon lower reviews admittedly sucked at doing additions. almost anyone who is good at chaining the additions will find the combat extremely addictive. random encounters would sometimes drive me nuts in ff and many other rpgs but never bothered me in dragoon because of the extremely addictive additions.

[@zintoeag3265]

@@Jack_80 yeah.. Additions are not for everyone and it's the unique feature of Legend of Dragoon

[@fallrim2851]

Hey! Did you know you make some great content? I love your videos. Keep up the great work.

[@jowellgamingshow6907]

Always love these top 10's and when you voice your opinions on a game or a certain series. We are just alike lol but man, I love FF8 and Chrono Cross too! Even though yes, Chrono Trigger was way better lol. I have played Legend of Dragoon and it's ok not the greatest and it's DEFINITELY not no FF killer. I don't know who in their right mind thought that. There are some that you like that I'm actually interested in like Popoliocrois and Arc Rise which I believe that game is for Wii which I have one so i will have to pick that one up! Great video as always and I will support your channel. :)

[@trisertricordoh2127]

Legend of Dragoon is no FF killer, but it is a good game just not for everyone. In fact two characters from said game made appearances on both his worst character list (Kongol) and best character list (Meru). I would love to hear both yours and his opinion on Legend of Legaia another good PS1 game that is highly underrated. On Chrono Cross, Trigger was better and more focused, they could have cut out a few side characters of Cross and not lost anything and the ending could have been better. FFVIII I hate the Juction system but I hate FFX's Spheregrid more which it follows the DS remake of FFIII. FFVIII is not a bad game, I did enjoy the game after the PC port on Steam, but after Squall's met the Ice Shard at the end of Disc one things got weird.

[@jowellgamingshow6907]

@@trisertricordoh2127 Legend of Dragoon is different and yes it's not for everyone. I've had it back in the days when it first had released. I enjoyed it even though I hated the battle system but looking back at that game today as an adult, I don't think I'll play it again lol it's just different that's all I can say. FF7 and 8 I have enjoyed playing back as an adult. Maybe one day I'll even do a let's play on them on my channel since I have both games on the PS4. I love JRPGs just as much as David even though we have our own specific interests in them. He can play super old ones for like the NES which I can never do lol those are too old school for me and I hated the NES because 90% of their game library sucked. Lol but I can get into some SNES JRPGs. I love Chrono Trigger. Legend of Legaia, I love that game, I played the second one last year on the PS2 and it sucked! I'm not sure David would like that game because like I said he has a specific taste in his JRPGs than me. I agree I disliked FF8 junction system but it still wasn't that bad and I actually liked FFX sphere grid. I thought it was awesome lol.

[@trisertricordoh2127]

@@jowellgamingshow6907 The spheregird of FFX was badly implemented, after you unlock all the pathways you could pretty much sail through the game with a party of one to three character never having a need to switch out except for obvious reasons. The liecense board of FFXII was more streamlined version of the spheregrid but again you could use a set party after you bought everything. Now the Crystairum of FFXIII was set up better as not only did the fact that each character had their own path they didn't all learn the same skills nor end up with the same stats by the end of it, not that FFXIII was perfect by any means. Legaia 2 in my opinion ruined the legaia as a franchise, the final boss was a joke if you completed even a fraction of the sidequests and even then there wasn't any challenge like Legend of Legaia, I got stuck three times (Second Boss fight of Sol tower, First boss fight of the four back to back bosses, and the final boss) didn't get stuck on any boss of Legaia 2 which I find sad. Shadow Hearts is another good game that I've played that uses a different battle system that they kind of used everywhere in the game, some that I have no words for, but the third game ran off with a running gag from the second and turned me off due to the gag in the second game was comedic but in the third it was terrible.

[@premlaseraphim1115]

Which Popopolo Crois are you talking about? I wanna try it.

[@davidvinc]

The one released on the PSP

[@premlaseraphim1115]

@@davidvinc Okay. Anyway, keep making list videos. It's addicting 😁👍

[@cagedhercules5649]

You've caught my attention with arc rise fantasia.. Gonna give it a chance

[@asmodeus58XX]

Just remember it's really, really hard. You need to at least grind each weapon until you get the bonus skill out.

[@MrAlquimista666]

It's difficult and the voice acting and writing are cheesy at best and actual cringe at worst. But the combat and weapon system are soooo good it's worth it.

[@lens_hunter]

Here's a tip, one I didn't figure out until way, way late in the game. There's a Level 3 Fire spell that doubles your health in battle. USE IT. ALL THE TIME.

[@asmodeus58XX]

BTW, if you're European like me, you're forced to either mod your Wii or emulate the game, and in the latter case, you might be tempted to use save states. DON'T. Grind and face it like you should.

[@cagedhercules5649]

Thanks for the tips people, and I would never use save states don't worry!

[@TheFlyingV]

Nah, Chrono Cross is great. "Hey, do you want to go save this annoying asshole?" "No." "F'ing A, neither would I, here's the BEST CHARACTER."

[@matchboxmatt]

Chrono Cross is the definition of quantity over quality. Outside of the music, it was such a disappointment.

[@MinecraftMartin]

Yay! Someone who doesn't like Valerie Profile! You're the first person I hated that game.

[@joury900]

Erick Landon would go crazy haha Totally respect your opinions! Definitely agree with about half of them, always glad to see someone else's view. I always wanted to have Arc rise fantasia, but sadly I live in Belgium and we didn't get in Europe :/

[@Evilriku13]

We didnt get ARF cuz of the lack of sales in the US which only came bout thx to the lack of ads. Like ARF was shown for like 5-10 minutes at the E3 2010 and thats it. It really drowned back then, and the news bout europeans getting ARF I still remember them :/

[@TheLostFan2010]

Chrono Cross may have made some (okay, a lot) missteps, but damned if that isn't the greatest video game soundtrack of all time.

[@YoshMaster]

I also really disliked Legend of Dragoon.

[@lauraw2526]

I *hated* Final fantasy VIII. Such a letdown after 7 and 6. I didn't hate Valkyrie Profile, but I agree the conditions for the "best" ending are ridiculous. And I didn't even like that ending much as I thought it could have been explained a LOT better. As a kid, 7th Saga was one of my favorite games. The challenge of it was part of the fun. Too many modern RPGS are way too easy.

[@mrbobbyellis]

Chrono cross is one of the best games ever made. It's a work of art and it still holds up today. Trigger is supremely overrated.

[@crassbandercoot4343]

They didn't wreck "everything" that was good in Chrono Trigger. The Music of Chrono Cross was top shelf.

[@DHamblen]

I agree with every one of these. I have been a huge RPG / JRPG fan since Dragon Quest (Dragon Warrior when released). The only games on this list I have not played were Beyond the Beyond, and Arc Rise Fantasia, and those both look fun. As for the negative games, I played all of them and agree, the reviewers are all head over heals in love with these games that just aren’t all that good at all. The positive games, are amazing, great gameplay, fun stories to get lost in, and overall good games to play. Thank you for giving me two new games to play, just need to finish Suikoden V first (another amazing game).

[@Jack_80]

legend of dragoon didn't get that great of reviews from the "professionals" at the time of release many people loved the game and they would say they couldn't understand why the pro reviews were so low.

[@carlosaugustoferreirakopp3383]

Hey David, how are you doing? I just wanna say that I really love your channel. Your posts are very creative and I love how you talk about different games instead of just repeating the same topics. Thank you so much for all the content, I watch your videos every night before I go to bed, your voice is really relaxing lol I understand your point about Chrono Cross, the majority of the characters are useless and have no plot, just an accent and the dimensions are not that different but I still love the graphics, it's my favorite music and the game has this tragic beauty around it, I don't know how to explain but I really enjoy the experience. FF VIII is a mess, the first CD is good but it turns into a hot mess with the stupid orphanage and memory loss.

[@RayWearer]

Now THIS is a channel I'll never subscribe to :)

[@MegaHarv]

Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter was ahead of it's time. Back in the day I hated it too, because it wasn't "Breath of Fire". While that's still true, on it's own it's a great game. People get stressed out about the time limit, but if you can resist D-Dashing through enemies, and conserve your D-Dive form for boss related emergencies, then you have plenty of time to play the game, and search every nook and cranny. If you hated Dragon Quarter back in the day, I suggest giving it a second chance.

[@alucardvania986]

Beyond the beyond is a brilliant game. You were spot on with being a mix of Shining Force & Golden Sun. Felt nostalgic even when playing for the first time. Fantastic!

[@rodrigogutierrez7077]

Give me an arc rise fantasia port for the switch! The only thing they need to do is cast better voice actors. I like them, but I also understand why it is hated.

[@ashleyward3277]

Yes and a UK release too this time, as it never came out here back in the day. Which is disappointing as it is a game I've wanted to try for ages.

[@Evilriku13]

Yeah picking japanese residented voice actors to perform an english dub is questionable. All cuz Ignition Entertainment didnt had much money left after they “““bought“““ of the rights from Xseed Ganes to localize this game. I heard Adele & L'arc in Pokken Tournanent and they did a way better job there. And: Serge's VA is in Tekken 7(!!), like what 👀

[@Lymerion137]

5) Valkyrie Profile = When I played this when I was young, yes it is very easy to miss out on the requirements. When I played it again with a planet-load of experience behind my back, They do provide hints. Freya does. 4) Rogue Galaxy = No idea, I'll skip this 3) Legend of Dragoon = The younger me says that I agree that the item limit is "unexpected" and unfair. But the experienced me says that it is part of the game too for balancing purposes. Games such as Star Ocean 2nd Story (while it has a 20 limit per item) is very over powered because you have too much of item types and add the fact that those effects are boosted. Yes, both versions of myself agree that it is taking a long time to complete regular encounters but come to think of it it was made that way to focus on your additions. I guess additions are good when you are just starting with them but when you've mastered it enough (You as player not maxing the addition level) it will be a bore. 2) Chrono Cross = Yes, I agree that there are too many characters are there and a good amount of them are useless. While there are some stories behind each character they are so trivial to the point that I can't forget how useless they are. 1) Final Fantasy VIII = Yes, I agree that there really isn't much that makes the characters unique apart from their Limit Breaks and looking at the top characters list of the game its always based on their Limit Breaks --- 5) Popolocrois = Never played this, I won't say anything XD 4) Beyond and Beyond = This was the last game played by my master before we part ways and it never came to my mind until today, Thank you. I think I'll try it out. 3) Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter = Never played this, I won't say anything XD 2) Arcrise Fantasia = Hey it looks neat, I'll also give this a whirl! 1) The 7th Saga = Never played this, I won't say anything XD Overall, If I never watch any of your other videos, I may have a grudge on you. But knowing you, I completely understand why.

[@johnmatrix5809]

Unlike FF7 which just needed a remaster. Legend of dragoon needs a full remake. It's unplayable now.

[@tommiefunk2099]

FFVIII was hot garbage. Here's the plot. Everyone: We were in the same orphanage? And we didn't remember it? Because the Guardian Forces makes us forget stuff? Irvine: I remembered. I didn't tell you guys because my feelings were hurt that you forgot. BTW, for gameplay purposes I've been using guardian forces. But no one is going to mention that part.

[@Dhalin]

Eh, that's not entirely true. Irvine wasn't using GFs until after he joins your group, and the memory loss caused by GFs happens over time, so Irvine will eventually start forgetting things just like the rest of the group did. But, because the situation is so dire, he decides to use GFs after he joins your group. It's been awhile since I played, but I remember them specifically stating that Galbadia Garden did not have its students using GFs while Balamb and that one Selphie is from, did.

[@davidvinc]

Hahaha! I talked about that a week ago in my most shocking plot twists video!

[@tommiefunk2099]

@@davidvinc I think I made the same comment a week ago....

[@Dhalin]

@@acarbonbasedlifeform70 Ahh. thanks. My memory was foggy on a few points, I haven't done an FF8 playthrough in 5+ years.

[@Dhalin]

@@acarbonbasedlifeform70 lol. Well, sleep apnea,.... nightshifts.... etc might as well be. But yeah it's been years since I did a playthrough. I bought the Remastered version on Steam but I've had such a large backlog of games I hadn't gotten to it, AND, I'm not fond of the idea of digging out the strategy guide because of how obtuse the game can be at times, esp the SeeD test where every little thing affects your starting rank which has a huge impact on the rest of the game, because if you start with a low rank you'll be cash-starved for a long while.

[@greenpoolball5136]

I think legend of dragoon is fine when it comes to the item limit, dragoons, and defending. In most RPGs you aren't limited in item slots to the point you eventually start hoarding healing items, status cure, stat boosts etc, so it becomes a non issue. LoD mostly consist of healing items, status cure, magic attacks, and other staple RPG items. I usually had a few each but more healing items. Plus it heals for half HP and some are full heals. Organizing it and making decisions on what you need makes it more interesting and tactical like when should I use this healing item, I shouldn't hoard it, I might get a treasure chest with a healing item along the way, or maybe I'll go back to town to buy some cures because enemies inflict status effects. Many times you'll have have max items so you need to drop something, that's another decision you need to make or if you plan ahead you'll be fine. Dragoon forms were interesting to gain meter by additions to access, some were better than others for sure like the healers but it was generally I have access to strong specials I'll use these. I could never get a perfectly timed dragoon attack idk why but their specials were used more so. Defending is great, the fact that you take 50% less damage? But also heal 10% of HP I believe and on top of the game for having limited healing options makes it more strategic or less boring. You're not relegated to just mashing X to attack, you have to plan your actions, think when to defend, or when to use a healing item. Just how many RPGs have a defend command that was this useful? I believe 7th Saga had a defend where you get an attack boost after which is great. Maybe I'm wrong about other RPGs having good defend commands where they take a significant amount of less damage but the way healing is in LoD makes it stand out to me.

[@Jack_80]

i love dragoon and agree with the strategic element of inventory management. it would be far too easy if you could carry unlimited items. also agree about the dragoon physical attack chains. i could pull them off but never fully understood the timing, i swear i would do identical timing 4 times in a row and only 1 or 2 times it would would. addition combos on the other hand were done perfectly, and when you failed one, you knew it was because you screwed up. i only have 2 minor complaints about dragoon, i think you should be able to guard in dragoon form and you should be able to transform back into human form on any turn. being stuck in dragoon form for 5 turns with no ability to guard can be a problem at times. you have to have a party member with a dragoon healing spell and make sure you have remaining mp to cast it. aside from those 2 little gripes though, it's such a unique and amazing game. i will never get tired of the addition system, that alone makes it one of the most fun and engaging combat systems in an rpg for me. most people who dislike the game are no good at chaining additions. admittedly, i wouldn't like the game nearly as much either if i couldn't do the additions, that's the most satisfying part of the game for me.

[@greenpoolball5136]

@@Jack_80 @Jack M Maybe the timing might get faster after each successful timing. I'd have to emulate the game just to have access to a save and load button to practice the timing lol. It's been a while since I've okay LoD so I vaguely recall how all of the dragoon system worked but I recall not being able to defend. Don't you get a decent defense boost or you take less damage? I would usually go into dragoon at max HP so it might have not been a big issue but yeah being able to untransform should be a thing. Additions are amazing yes, they're fun and you're rewarded with a sense of progression as you get more additions, it matters to the dragoon meter, leveling up additions, and especially them voice lines. I think additions are neat way to progress or challenge the player. Do you want to continue practicing additions or do you only use the early on additions because they're easier to do. It adds confliction to the player and that's a good thing to experience. I think Thorhighheels mentioned this in his review about how it's quite smart that the early additions are there for people who can't do them. Also I recommend watching the recent LoD retrospective by TheGoldenBolt if you haven't already, it only came out a month ago.

[@Jack_80]

@@greenpoolball5136 yeah your defense is the same as when guarding in human form, but the only way you can regain health is to use a spell and the only way to go back to human form is to run out of dragoon meter or die.

[@greenpoolball5136]

@@Jack_80 do normal healing items not work on dragoons? One character be fine enough for the item role and there shouldn't be a reason to have all 3 characters to go into dragoon unless you had one that could heal.

[@Jack_80]

@@greenpoolball5136 healing items work on dragoons but once you're drsgoon level is maxed you'll often want to transform all 3 chsracters st once because the character you trsnsform with will have s nice power bonus. dragoon is one of my favorite ps1 games but there's really no reason you shouldn't be able to swich back at the stsrt of any turn. also, even though this is not a big deal to me, i always thought it would be awesome if it had a more open world map like ff7-9, and instead of traversing it in an airship like in ff, you traversed it in dragoon form. just little touches i think would be nice in a sequel/prequel. i always thought a prewuel would be perfect for this game. you would still have rose (the coolest character) as a party member, and you already see all the other would be party members in the first game in the optional boss fights against them. just remembered how good and quite challenging those boss fights were.

[@melloncollieowl]

Preach! Legend of Dragoon was meh at best.

[@baronagony4767]

For me the game I dislike is Persona 3. All the characters felt like stock anime architypes who had tragic backstories for the sake of being tragic. It also added the "wildcard" power to the series which I hate as it makes the plot a chosen one story and only allows the main character to switch personas when in previous games the entire party could. Also they make it an instant game over if the main character dies which makes no sense in the persona series as previous games it had to be a party wipeout for a game over. Persona 2 Eternal Punishment is not only my favorite game but one nobody seems to have even heard of. Its graphics aren't the best but its story and gameplay more than make up for it featuring combination attacks called fusion spells, contacting the demon enemies as a way to end battles, and the helpful ability to stop your attack order and switch commands mid round. Also its the rare JRPG where the cast are all adults who encounter adult problems like regretting career paths, feeling pressured to be in a relationship, having past mistakes haunt you. Sorry if that got ranty… I do wholeheartedly agree with you on chrono Cross though the only thing I liked from that was the opening theme

[@Evilriku13]

Im with you, having a gripe with modern lackluster characterization persona games too, esp since they lost its best writing after p2 EP/p3.

[@TheGaleden]

I personally love Rogue galaxy, and Valkyrie profile, and while I never heard of half the games on the "bad but I love them" half, I have to agree on 7th Saga, I keep waiting for the day they'd finally put it on the E-shop, now I just hope they put it in with the SNES classic titles in on the Switch.

[@paulmullen2620]

What made 7th Saga so hard was the stat bug that made your rivals so much stronger, and the higher your level, the worse it got. I think that affected the monsters too. Still, it's one of my favorites, and one that I played endlessly back in the early 90s.

[@Orcael]

Okay THANK you for saying it with Dragoon. I must have been high school-ish (maybe late middle school) when it came out too. I remember thinking Rose was really cool and the transformations were slick but just finding the whole game a chore. Chrono Cross though? It took me a second play through as an adult, about 5 years ago, but I loved it. My only complaint was the insane number of useless characters. Story-wise though, it’s actually connected very strongly to Trigger - made me cry a few times in the back half when the realizations started happening and I saw how beautiful it all was. Give it another try!

[@adamross2110]

Arc rise Fantasia is MY FAVORITE GAME ON WII. Periodttt. I replayed it every single summer during high school AND college and will always have a place in my heart 😭😭😭 finally someone else who realizes how epic the story line is ... and i mean also Leslie is the total package and is on a VERY short list of women who could get it 😳😳😳

[@davidvinc]

I'm more a Niko kind of guy.

[@adamross2110]

davidvinc Niko is a cutie but Weiss is way more my type 😌😌

[@EggmanlandResident]

You forgot one thing great thing about Chrono Cross, that amazing soundtrack. But that was the best part of it. I really like Legend of Dragoon. I'm currently playing through it again. But gosh the translation is rocky. As for 7th Saga, I have been meaning to give it a try. It looks like a cool game.

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

Chrono Cross's soundtrack is my favorite in gaming history after Xenogears and NieR Automata.

[@Parallelepiped2]

Nice to see your list! Thanks for recommending Popolocrois, I might consider trying to pick up a PSP for it; it's unfortunately not available on the PSN store. It was nice to see 7th Saga on your list. That is one of my favourites and replay it at least every few months it seems. I liked Rogue Galaxy but some parts were very tedious.

[@wesmeyer1888]

Popolocrois is amazing and it was actually the highest rated RPG on the PSP for a while.

[@Phonix463]

Always look forward to your vids David. Thanks for uploading during the outbreak.

[@Zenaltra]

Arc Rise Fantasia is hands down the best game on Wii. And no one I've ever mentioned it to has played it. Yes, the voice acting is atrocious - easily top 3 worst I've ever heard. But if you can ignore that, the rest of the game is incredible. Also, Valkyrie Profile sucks. Most of the rest of the list I either don't know or am pretty neutral on, but the one I have to disagree with strongly is Chrono Cross. I like it better than Trigger. I replayed them back-to-back in 2018 and when I got to Cross I just kept thinking "yeah Trigger was great, but this is so much better" I loved Legend of Dragoon when it came out, but every time I've tried to play it in recent years I got bored and quit just a couple hours in, so.. maybe you're onto something there.

[@Evilriku13]

I must say, bout ARFs va, that only the first half of the main characters are of a problematic nature (L'arc, Ryfia, Alf & Niko, perhaps Adele too depends) while the other half is pretty solid (Cecille, Serge, Rastan, Leslie, heck Ignacy, the final boss & Hosea are also promising).

[@BlinJe]

" A Bandwagon game, where a small vocal group played it, decided it sucked, then everybody else went along with it, without ever having touched it. " - This is so true for so many hidden gems.

[@nickmanzo8459]

I really liked Legend of Dragoon, and I’ll be honest, it’s mostly because of the concept. I love the idea of changing into a dragon dude, and a lot of the mythology was really cool. I’ll be the first to admit that it’s not perfect, the XP system is just awful, random mobs give such low amounts of XP that grinding is almost nonexistent, and the bosses are, as a result, hard as balls, but I still enjoy it.

[@SuiteLifeofDioBrando]

My #1 would be Symphonia Dawn of a New World. I played the ps3 version, and consider it one of my top 3 tales of games. I really enjoyed the antagonists like Alice, Decus, and Richter. Emil was a great protagonist. I really enjoyed the monster mechanics of recruitment and evolution.

[@tombrooke1281]

Wow, I love the tales series but I definitely wouldn't choose this one as being anywhere near a number 1 choice in any list, universally or just within the Tales of franchise but I guess it's different strokes for different folks.

[@chrisgee8441]

Man, our tastes are almost POLAR opposites. That said, I enjoy hearing other people's opinions. Nice video. Now I'm going to initiate my yearly playthrough of Cross and Dragoon. (VIII used to be my favorite, but on a replay a few years ago I realized the inevitable, it's pretty shitty)

[@matth8381]

I hated Chrono Cross when it first came out. It really grew on me once the story started to come together. I did hate the unnecessary swarm of characters with different accents though.

[@marcosdheleno]

the way i see it, the massive cast is less about character development, and more about "everyone can be a hero". its pretty much a "hey, that dude looks cool, wanna play as him instead?" kind of thing you dont really see in games.

[@oroontheheels]

I feel that way about FF10. Everyone praising it all the time saying how they were touched by it and cried ect. But I was sooooo boooored. I wasn’t engaged at all. Oh I agree about Valkyrie profile. I want to play but I’m so discouraged by that get the right ending system. Too difficult. And I personally looove legend of dragoon but I can’t master battle system so all battles are even longer for me. Chrono Cross is just a spit in Chrono Trigger Legacy. I hate it.

[@budreviewsgames]

I don’t think Mother 3 is the masterpiece that people have made it out to be. It’s still a decent game in my opinion, but nowhere near as good as its predecessor.

[@mattnielsen4203]

Have you or would you consider doing a game review for the Atelier Iris series for the PS2?

[@davidvinc]

While I haven't done a dedicated review of them, I've spoken about those games before in quite a few videos. They've been mentioned in my Top 10 Shortest JRPGs part 1 and 2, and Top 10 Playstation 2 Towns part 1. I hope that helps!

[@davidvinc]

While I haven't done a dedicated review of them, I've spoken about those games before in quite a few videos. They've been mentioned in my Top 10 Shortest JRPGs part 1 and 2, and Top 10 Playstation 2 Towns part 1. I hope that helps!

[@SomeRPGFan]

This is probably the greatest disagreement with reviewers ever, but I don't particularly care for the entire Zelda series. I don't hate it or dislike anything specific about it but it just doesn't click with me and never has.

[@happycat4838]

That's understandable, I didn't care for any of them after the SNES one, and even then, while I find the first three fun, they are far from being in the running for favorite games of mine.

[@davidvinc]

I get it man, I can only play 2D Zelda's myself, and I personally hate Ocarina of Time.

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

So like... Is there an undub patch for arc rise Fantasia?

[@Evilriku13]

Yes, but: u wont hear the voice comments in boss battles, which u need for when bosses do their strongeat/deadliest attack. So its a choice if u wanna make the game additionaly harder that way or not

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

@@Evilriku13 I guess I'll just have to use a strategy guide then.

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

@@Evilriku13 thanks for letting me know about that, though.

[@r.a.fgattaiguy845]

why does the video tracker call PoPoLoCrois "Popoyes Adventure"?

[@davidvinc]

Because YT AI isn’t all that hot

[@r.a.fgattaiguy845]

@@davidvinc oh yeah forgot youtube AI is kind of a dumb-dumb

[@RayOfTruth]

It might just be me, but I've seen way more people not like Final Fantasy VIII than liking it.

[@hcervigni]

Totally agree about Arc Rise Fantasia, definitely a hidden gem... I wish there was a sequel.

[@Evilriku13]

...sadly there were plans for both, a sequel and a prequel. But due to what happened to ImageEpoch, the plans were ceased, and from what Ive been told, they were like 30% finished with the prequel.

[@JustPlainLuckyTV]

I know it's not an RPG, but I'll never forgive them for saying God Hand on PS2 was a bad game. It was a bit rough, but it got trashed in the reviews.

[@happycat4838]

God Hand is one of my favorite action games, just behind Ninja Gaiden, it rules!

[@balsamon69]

I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion to have or smth, but i kinfa liked Sword of Mana. It's nothing ground breaking, but i still enjoyed it for what it is - an easy A-RPG with a lot of sidequests, subsystems, and classes. Plus it's, what, like 12 hours?

[@ChaoticNarrative]

You hit the nail on the head with Popolocrois and Beyond the Beyond, people make way too many assumptions if a game looks innocent and kiddy graphically when those are some of the darkest I've played. Beyond the Beyond is a game I believe gets a lot of shit because of expectations based on the console it's on rather than the game itself but if you ask me, it's a pretty fine game outside of it's encounter rate.

[@osurpless]

I got about 1/3 of the way through 7th Saga when it first came out, and while I admired that that it’s one of the few RPGs in which the defense command is necessary/useful (Chrono Cross and Legend of Dragoon are noteworthy others), it was pretty clear that it was too grind heavy to want to continue. Thanks for mentioning the rom hack, as while I’ve yet to try the adjustments, it does indeed sound Iike it addresses a lot of the localization errors, as I’ve read that the JPN version Elrand is much more balanced. As for Cross and VIII, I like both games explicitly because it isn’t identical to previous entries. Whereas VII just copied VI’s gameplay and simplified it via Materia via easy switching between characters, VIII at least did something unique with its gameplay. This lets you do all kinds of handicap runs (low level, no GF, high level) especially once you learn drawing magic is largely a waste of time. Be it through playing cards or finding items, refining items is the real way to get magic. As for Cross, the words of the developer speak to the intentions of the game: “After the announcement of “Cross” this time, I heard a lot of voices out there that were saying things like, ‘Man, this isn’t CHRONO.’ To tell you the truth, I was gravely disappointed. Yes, the platform changed; and yes, there were many parts that changed dramatically from the previous work. But in my view, the whole point in making Chrono Cross was to make a new Chrono with the best available skills and technologies of today. I never had any intentions of just taking the system from Trigger and moving it onto the PlayStation console. That’s why I believe that Cross is Cross, and NOT Trigger 2.” - Masato Kato Myself, I like the intrigue of the storyline that keeps you guessing, and the game is bold in saying that Trigger’s view towards time travel as a universal panacea is naive at best, as when you read Lucca’s letter to Kid.

[@Fa1nTy]

I didn't find arc rise fantasia to be an amazing game all around, but it definitely fills an extremely important hole that most jRPGs are lacking... the bosses in ARF are BALL BUSTERS like even with proper setup, gear, skill sets, and strategy they can wreck your shit so fast, and you have to plan ahead with the AP system or w/e it was called. Modern (post SNES) rpgs in general are far too easy, so it's always great when you have some that have hard content like ARF, Eternal Sonata (encore difficulty), DQ11 (super strong monsters mode) etc

[@Evilriku13]

Also the forgotten usage of the defend option in ARF lets me appreciate this game with its tons of evergreens too!

[@OmiShinobi]

Loved Beyond the Beyond, my first PS1 RPG! And OMG The 7th Saga! Yes it was hard but soo good! Thank you N.Power for helping me beat that game!

[@ZuperNEZ]

I agree with the hatred for Rogue Galaxy and Final Fantasy VIII. I gave up part ways for both of those games.

[@aroundthefur1210]

OMG, David, I fucking love you man!!! My jaw hit the floor when I saw 7th Saga pop up on this list!!

[@7thangelad586]

It’s always cool to get your opinions on games since you seem to have no limit to what you’ve played. Personally I’m not a fan of first person shooters, MMORPGs, and fighting games; but whatever floats the gamer’s proverbial boat. My most recent surprises are the N64 Castlevania titles and Quest 64. I didn’t own the console as a kid and still have fun playing them.

[@raygould2702]

Ah yes, Final Fantasy VIII. Why that game managed to get a remake and not IX still baffles me to this day. Oh well, in the garbage it belongs [metaphorically].

[@Jack_80]

when did viii get a remake? as far as i knew viii and ix both got remasters but vii is the only one to have gotten a full remake.

[@raygould2702]

@@Jack_80 After I looked into it you are correct. I did not realize IX got a remaster along with VIII. My mistake.

[@kidzanarkand]

Great video. Too many great games from the past get left behind because of reviews. I do wish there was a mod for FF8 that implemented normal leveling and stat scaling, it's a good looking game with traditional turn based combat that FF is known for