They Said This Would Ruin Star Wars...

[@SheevTalks]

For an off the cuff, unscripted stream of consciousness in front of the camera, this is pretty well put together. Good work, man

[@prolastmedia6171]

Holy cow, Sheev out here giving love to his little homies??? Wassup Papa Palppy, Imma need a video from you next

[@henrymockingbird9645]

I honestly think that rise of Skywalker did more harm to anakin legacy than this show ever did by making his sacrifice pointless

[@Fedaygin]

4:38 Yes and it's pretty similar to Anakin popping up into Shmi's womb. Anakin was made By the Force. The twins were made With the Force ✅ It's more like the technique supports what Plagueis is said to have done 🤔 Way too many people suffer with subjectivity in Star Wars lore talks & so on 😒 *Continues watching* 🙂

[@prolastmedia6171]

20:03 After ep 4 I think they made it so obvious that they wanted us to suspect Qimir that is not actually him

[@Deuteromis]

There's a leaked video from behind the scenes that well confirms it's him.

[@specsandscience47]

As someone who grew up on murder mystery shows like Poirot, Miss Marple and Father Brown, I've really been enjoying watching the mystery unravel bit by bit with each new episode (which are way too short, in my opinion). I don't have any strong feelings for or against the show itself but like you, this is the first live-action SW show that's inspired me to actually seek out fan theories. Despite having slightly more positive opinions about the show than you, I appreciate your levelheadedness and look forward to hearing your thoughts again after the finale! Thank you for another great video, and I hope you have a good rest of your day/night!

[@RickBerman-iv2il]

Sometimes it’s enough to say a badly written show is badly written and move on. Someone thinks it’s the worst thing ever but someone else thinks it’s bad but life goes on? Well, what’s the argument?

[@Ar1AnX1x]

the issue is the biggest star wars 'critics' not even having serious criticism of the writing, they just do identity politics but from the anti-SJW side of the spectrum or at best pointing out very surface level inconsistencies or anything that everyone can see and you don't need to watch a video for, they basically do political activism

[@prolastmedia6171]

​​@@Ar1AnX1xFor example, pretending like Fire in Space breaks the canon of Star Wars so they can pretend that they are mad about that and not mad about the LGBT or a Black Female protagonist 😂

[@Darkwintre]

@@prolastmedia6171fire needs oxygen, space is a vacuum what’s the difficulty in understanding that mistake? The writing is awful, but the outrage is the only reason it isn’t being ignored.

[@NebLleb]

@@Darkwintre But George Lucas himself said that there's oxygen in space in the Galaxy. Star Wars is fantasy, not science fiction. One is built on fantastical rules, the other goes for scientific believability.

[@NebLleb]

@@Darkwintre Um... George Lucas himself explicitly said that in the Star Wars Galaxy, _there's air in space._

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I find most of Disney Star Wars a bunch of nothing burger but these Star Wars critics doing ragebait and their communities melting down over every episode of every show are the same people that sent hate towards Hayden Christensen or young Anakin's actor and hated on George Lucas himself, they gotta have sad lives to be so ready to take a show so seriously

[@kaygee2121]

Yay, I managed to find another voice of reason in this sea of haterade. Thank you! 💖

[@jakeobayrey8693]

awesome take man, glad i found your channel

[@ThePresat0r]

03:36 "Star Wars in general is really dumb". Ah yes, the classic "argument" of "it's always been dumb so don't think too much about it". You lost me there.

[@Remnicore]

*Readers added context they thought people might want to know:* “It’s always been dumb so don’t think too much about it” was never stated and was never a point made in the video.

[@kaygee2121]

All of them are flawed though. All of them have moments of cringe. Are you in denial because of nostalgia goggles? The original target audience was and remains 12 year olds. I still love most of it though.

[@NebLleb]

@@kaygee2121 He's right you know.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

didn't George Lucas literally say "Star Wars is made for children"? lmao, he said that after Original fans criticized him about Prequels not being serious enough, point is Star Wars is a massive great fun franchise and very very likable and most people like it but if you wanna be a nerd and find issues and inconsistencies you can easily do that

[@prolastmedia6171]

Star Wars has always been dumb lol, if you watch Star Wars to feel intelligent then you need to do some serious reflection. Dune novels are smart-ish. Three Body Problem series is smart kinda. Star Wars is dumb af lmao 😂 but it's fun and that's why we love it. Lucas himself admits he does a lot of Style over Substance. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but it's entirely accurate

[@matthewk4912]

You asked in the video why do the Jedi get to dictate who does and doesn't use the Force? The way George portrayed them, the Jedi didn't do that other than with the Sith, who obviously had nefarious purposes. George called the Jedi the "most moral of anybody in the galaxy" even though they had their flaws. The fans wanted a more morally complex story, so they took those flaws and accentuated them with their headcanons. The Jedi only took kids if the kids were either orphans or had parents that wanted them to become Jedi. They would never have taken Mae or Osha for three reasons; 1) they are too old, 2) they already have a strong attachment, 3) the Jedi recognize they have no right to intrude on territory outside the Republic's jurisdiction and take the kids from parents who do not like the Jedi. The Acolyte depicts the Jedi in a much different light - they are hostile intruders in this scenario. It's awesome if people like this depiction, but think that this was always what the Jedi (in canon) were doing is just untrue. People want the Jedi to be more flawed than how they were originally portrayed, because they prefer more morally complex stories than just "good guys vs. bad guys," or they have a problem with institutions and project that on the Jedi.

[@ruinenlust_]

Voice of sanity!

[@prolastmedia6171]

5:32 I agree but if you can only engage in Bad Faith because of how disenfranchised you are, then you really shouldn't engage at all. It's unhealthy for "you" and it's also unfair to people who ARE trying to engage in good faith. Like there's nothing wrong with being biased against Disney Wars after years of them making garbage, but at least have the decency to acknowledge that your criticisms currently are being colored by the bias you've developed over time, it becomes truly Bad Faith when these disenfranchised people try to pass off their critiques as if they are completely unbiased and objective. At that point you are just poisoning the well for everyone. If you don't like SW anymore that's totally fair and reasonable, but move on and get a life. I'm SO tired of hearing the same people cry and moan about how Star Wars made them get a divorce every single time a new show comes out. At a certain point, you as a viewer need to take responsibility for your own consumption

[@Fedaygin]

8:19 true that. Ooh so look forward to scene where possessed Kelnacca vs Torbin & maybe others at same time 🤤I bet that / more flashback scenes in Brendok gonna be wild. I guess we see them in S01E06 if S01E05 continues the literal Cliffhanger that is in S01E04 😋 Late this evening i'll restream S01E04 via D+ ^^ Always use "65 Led Telly & 5.1 wireless headphones when streaming in dark room 🙂 Good new week o/

[@thatsruffdog]

If, by the end of this, your theories are wrong, you can just turn it around as conceiving a better mystery story that actually surprises you. I watched the Madame Web video by the way.

[@JimmyTheGhost16]

This is exactly how I feel and I am sad to see how many people hate. Thank you for making such a honest review with good criticism. I really respect how you are creating a good community. I recently left a community in my real life that I’ve been a part of for half my life and it’s been difficult. Similar to the rage channels I’ve unsubscribed from it was a bad environment that I left. Thanks for being positive!

[@DewNotDisturb]

Your studio looks awesome dude

[@abombtwin4986]

Thank you brother

[@mopnem]

This is how you increase channel loyalty. Rem is making objective valid points amoung the sheep parroting each other/adding absolutely nothing to nothing on the socials right now.

[@datguy3581]

I think that this show has a lot of issues. But I also think that a lot of the criticism of the show also has issues.

[@prolastmedia6171]

Thank you for actually reviewing the show for what it is instead approaching this like the others who make Bad Faith criticism to hide what they're really mad about 👧🏿👧🏿

[@psypsy751]

What if the immaculate force conception is a recurring cycle that keeps being reattempted until it succeeds, and the twins will just fucking die. Probably because life from the Force is unstable and Anakin's the first successful one because he reproduced and made dun-dun-dun twins.

[@CaddieSmooth]

Based af

[@lllifted]

After every episode I love watching your videos!

[@tommygeno92]

Holy shit a fair and balanced analysis of a Star Wars product? What has the internet come to??

[@alfonsomendez9787]

Fair and balanced analysis FOR YOU. Your or mine opinions don’t make the “truth”, just that. And most people don’t think like this btw...

[@tommygeno92]

​@@alfonsomendez9787 What was so offensive about my statement that you felt the need to reply like this a month after the fact? There ARE ways to analyse media fairly, even if the final verdict of weather we like that product or not is of course opinion-based. I'm not even defending the show, which I thought was pretty bad. I'm just sick of people screaming nonsense to get clicks. And this is coming from someone who LOVES hour-long analysis of film and TV shows. Just not the "How the hell is there fire in space?!" kind.

[@thesteveruss]

I am an OT fan. For me Star Wars died in 1999. The fact that Disney SW is that bad ... is like "killing" zombies ...

[@NebLleb]

I honestly disagree. For me, Star Wars is in limbo. I myself am a Prequel convert and consider Attack of the Clones my favourite in the series, warts and all, but despite my preferences, I still think that from an objective standpoint, the Original trilogy is the best and that the Disney era has its moments. But that's thing about being a [rational] Star Wars fan: Everyone has their own beliefs, their own preferences, their own list of things they like and dislike, and we're not the same.

[@saviletotorres143]

For me the OT is boring at times , so there are tastes for everyone

[@MountainStandardTime]

Great video. I agree with you... I'm not loving it, but I'm not hating it either. Why do we have to focus on who's gay and who's not? Can't we just watch it with a child's innocent-mindset; like most of us did when we were first introduced to Star Wars? Are the witches gay? Or are they celibate? Who cares! But I do think the line was crossed when Osha asked about Bazil's pronouns. Again, do kids care or worry about that? No. Neither should we. Just stick to the story without the sideline gender reveal parties. I'm also not happy with the short episodes where nothing exciting happens and then we get to wait another week to see if things pick up

[@Dani-kq6qq]

You are better looking than i imagined. Yes, it is a compliment

[@MrEdium]

A Lot to Think About. Jedi under possession killing witches.🤔

[@RaikenXion]

OOF, this aged well 😅

[@leftboxanderson5361]

Thank you for spending time to help walk me off the edge and continue on this terrible show. I’m hoping they pull it out

[@reverendlee7617]

You are correct. Star Wars actually died after Disney bought it. That was the end of the Skywalker story. As far as "The Acolyte", it is terrible. I can overlook most of the homoerotica in the show, but that is not the real problem. Sets are barely there. Dialogue is strained. The cannon has been broken so many times, it is just POOR WRITING! That is the real problem, and The Acolyte is NOT the first to face this problem. Overall, I think this built up in some Star Wars fans. I stopped watching (originally) after The Force Awakens (thought it was garbage). But occasionally I do recheck on the brand with fingers crossed.

[@NebLleb]

Finally, someone else whose reasonable about their distaste for Disney Star Wars. I do disagree with the whole "Star Wars died when Disney bought it" thing (I honestly blame the toxic fans for getting us into this mess by giving George the motivation to sell Lucasfilm in the first place), but I DO believe that Star Wars is in _Limbo._ It's neither alive, nor is it dead. The original six movies, Legends canon of comics, books and games, and two Clone Wars shows still exist, and there are some entries in the current Disney canon that are genuinely worth looking into, ESPECIALLY the Star Wars Jedi games by Respawn IMO. However, for every one Star Wars Jedi or Rogue One or Andor, there's about a dozen stuff that's mediocre or falling flat on its face, and The Acolyte looked like it would fall flat on its face the hardest. So I didn't bother. Although I broke free of the Anti-Woke grift, I do feel that Kathleen Kennedy was ill-suited for property like Star Wars. Not because "MUH FORCE IS FEMALE!" or "MUH DEI!", but because despite being really skilled as an executive, she has a real quantity-over-quality problem when it comes to managing. And I think that's why a lot of Disney Star Wars fails: when you focus on making a shitton of stuff rather than one perfect package, don't be surprised if the actual quality of the majority falters. (Also, there is no DEI Agenda in The Acolyte. Only pandering and unfortunate implications.)

[@Ar1AnX1x]

the issue is the biggest star wars 'critics' not even having serious criticism of the writing, they just do identity politics but from the anti-SJW side of the spectrum or at best pointing out very surface level inconsistencies or anything that everyone can see and you don't need to watch a video for, they basically do political activism

[@Vulcan-is8tw]

Im not gonna lie, comments like yours are being intentionally obtuse. Critics don’t point out the show’s identity politics because thats all they have to complain about. They point it out because thats all the show clearly cared about over the substance of the story. The writing is so subpar it’s obvious that the director didn’t care at all what she was doing with $180 million dollars. So when theres such an incoherent, inconsistent story, critics easily point out the obvious prioritization of DEI over story substance. People praised Fallout which had a female lead. Andor had a lesbian couple and it was the greatest star wars show we’ve ever got. It’s not activism really, its just calling out a bad show for its obvious priority on DEI above anything else.

[@NebLleb]

@@Vulcan-is8tw And you're proving him right. Congratulations. [Also, the show isn't focusing on "MUH IDENTITY POLITICS", it's focusing on being a hatefiction]

[@Vulcan-is8tw]

@@NebLleb How is he right exactly? He says “big critics” are only focusing on the political side like they aren’t also calling out the shows horrendous writing that contradicts itself mid episodes. Asking people to call out a story that not even the storywriters even cared about is disingenuous when you have to blissfully ignore the obvious DEI aspect they only seemed to set focus on. You get what you give. Easy as that

[@NebLleb]

@@Vulcan-is8tw Wrong, wrong, wrong. He's talking about people like you and The Fandom Menace, not "big critics" who focus on how the show is as a show and don't care about the whole "MUH DEI" agenda you like to focus on (I.E. Jeremy Jahns, whose reviews of The Acolyte easily trump anything you follow and swear by). Further more, there is no "DEI Agenda". There's just casting and pandering in The Acolyte. I seriously can't believe you people successfully grifted me for three years...

[@Vulcan-is8tw]

@@NebLleb “you people” lmao ok, this is clearly something you take very personally, so I don’t expect you to genuinely gauge how legitimate these criticisms are, political or not. For you to say DEI doesn’t exist despite DEI being a term used by IRL publicity companies that advise film studios on DEI quotas and such, is blissfully ignorant and I wish I had such ignorance. But yeah im totally wrong, wrong, and once again, wrong. Despite Bob Iger himself stating that these politics intertwined with storytelling need to stop in favor of good storytelling is totally proof that it’s not real and criticisms of such is delusional. Totally man….

[@TheSEAempire]

You're not 16-bit?!?!

[@captainbat37]

I found it obvious alot of stuff wasn't revealed yet too personally there is nothing in this show that has annoyed me Ive always thought why do the jedi have dominance in the force the jedi weren't perfect far from it and for people that think star wars is too political now star wars has always been political but some these political theories like from critical drinker are really dumb

[@Deuteromis]

The show is just really mid that suffers from the bad writing. Disney really over-hyped this show, the user review on RT is too low, 40% is pretty fair for it.

[@boyzinthewood1]

Disney killed Star Wars a long time before this show had a chance to. This shows just making sure it stays dead is all. As for the "2 women" I don't think people care about the gay factor, I think a lot of people believe it's only been put in there just to tick a box. Personally, for me, the show is a 1/10, purely for the fact that it just doesn't feel like Star Wars at all.

[@mopnem]

Not sure how including something is also “ticking a box” - Yes there’s times when shows have characters changed to seemingly tick a box, but for new characters that argument doesn’t stand as well

[@boyzinthewood1]

@@mopnem Just a heads up... it's not my personal opinion, it's just what I see an awful lot of people saying in other KZbin videos and comments. Take a look at Nerdrotics comment section.

[@mopnem]

⁠@@boyzinthewood1 I see now that you’re stating the sentiment others have, fair. I don’t like to specifically bash channels but I consider Nerdrotic in particular quite a cesspool, so not surprised there.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

is that why every time there's a gay or a black character guys like Critical Drinker have to mention their identity? come on, they know exactly what they're doing, you wouldn't act like this if you saw a feminist making a video being like "oh look how there's so many white people, and the protagonist of course is a strong white leader, white savior architype" if anybody actually cares about Star Wars, they'd analyze why the writing is bad, those types of rage baiters don't even like Star Wars, that's why Critical Drinker didn't even know Witches existed in the Canon, he thought its a made up Disney thing

[@boyzinthewood1]

@mopnem agreed, it can be very volatile there.

[@Георг-л5л]

yea that episode is still shit bro nothing has changed.

[@JDthaMC]

"Struggling to hate it" is the perfect description. There is so much pressure to hate it. This show is not great. It is also not as bad as a lot of stuff that came before it. If you think this ruined the lore but THE WORLD BEWTEEN WORLDS didnt.... you're not a serious person. Its just a dumb tv show with the occasional cool fight. Live on.

[@michaelelmes2135]

W

[@thesteveruss]

Oh ... hello there.

[@NebLleb]

Finally, another voice of reason. Star Wars is honestly a go-to example of a toxic fandom, one whose so bad genuine complaints like mine are lost in a sea of anger and toxicity. I myself think the show looked bad and I didn't bother with it. Why won't Star Wars fans learn the lesson not to bother with what appears to be genuine poop and to stop treating everything that comes out of this series as the anti-christ?

[@Ar1AnX1x]

another? which other voice of reason are we talking about?

[@NebLleb]

@@Ar1AnX1x Oh, the people who can't believe that Star Wars fans are incredibly toxic.

[@prolastmedia6171]

I used to resent Disney calling us fans toxic and bigots and whatever but as I've gotten older I've realized that even tho the Sequels were atrocious monstrosities, the toxic criticism specifically is actually super accurate lol. The rhetoric that I've seen on forums about this shows Poc and Lgbt is absolutely disgusting lol. What really makes me upset are fans who pretend like the bigotry claims are just made up out of nowhere while actively saying bigoted stuff lmao

[@JerryHazard]

Not sure what you don't get. I'm not one to gate keep, I don't even like the term, but maybe you are not really a fan, in the true sense of the word. Look at sports, like football. Watch fan reaction when a player goes from a team to another team. Or a team ends up with a stacked roster or popular coach - then they fail. The reactions are on par with ANY sect of movie fans. But somehow it's ok for sports nerds to react in kind. No. "Toxic" behavior is owned by no percentage or "side" of fandom. And what's up with people that have articulate criticism OF THE PRODUCT being called names by those that don't agree? That's okay, apparently. Because it happens all the time. I'll agree there's a lot of noise about popular social issues - which I'm not sure really apply to this show - but there's also a lot of valid, articulate discourse as to what's really bad about the show. But people who like the show just want to plug their ears and scream " everyone's so toxic" so they don't have discuss the actual creative and production issue that plague the show. I digress. Compare movie fans to sports fans, and maybe you'll understand why fans continue to watch, the same way some follow teams like the Browns, or you continue to be a fan even if your team doesn't make the playoffs.

[@NebLleb]

@@JerryHazard Um... Sports and Movies are two completely different things. EDIT: And further more, insisting that toxic fans are real fans is utterly disgusting. I can't believe I fell victim to you people and your bullshit.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

come on Remnicore, just say the third episode is proof that the west has fallen, you know that's where the money is

[@Oscar-kx2du]

The show literally introduces the pronouns bullsh*t and Michael Giordano was recently caught on camera talking about Disney’s agenda.

[@Lightguardian_HOH]

Just let the toxic fandom whine while everyone else enjoy the show.

[@zeezerzam]

Ok...racist

[@NebLleb]

@@zeezerzam What? How does being against a toxic fandom make you a racist? You people are utterly stupid and I can't believe I fell victim to your grift.

[@fmjacket4259]

No one enjoys the show though

[@thedarkjedi117]

well if you call 86% divided sure

[@JimmyTheGhost16]

Where did you get 86% from?

[@oryx-iromainaspe1426]

Hearing articulated opinions like the one in this video makes me question the capacity of a modern audience to even explain why something like The Acolyte is a disaster as a self contained story AND as a part of a global mythology. It's a show that has nothing to offer in term of iconic caracters, interesting story development, compeling mysteries, humour, great visuals, well crafted action scenes, moving scenes and memorable lines. And there's no need to watch it in its entirety to come to that conclusion. It's as close as it will ever get to an objective failure in this era of bland streaming content. The fact that it deals heavely with very woke issues is only the sign that the people in charge of this show didn't have the best priorities to create a great piece of art. No one likes to be relectured when they're looking for beauty and escapism. It's as simple as that. Leslie Headland has nothing to do in the entertainment business.

[@NebLleb]

And once again, you proved his point. For a person who insists this is "an objective failure in this era of bland streaming content", you have no problem overhating on it and thus making yourself look like a perpetually angry person who feels the urge to hatewatch crap, don't you? [and once again, it's not "woke". It's unfortunately implicating.]

[@drganknstein]

The show flat out sucks. Disney should sell the IP.

[@zeezerzam]

😭😭😭your a racist and homophobic nazi

[@NebLleb]

And again, you're proving him right. Good job!

[@Darkwintre]

Don’t care my view they lied about that and had they decent writing maybe it would be worth talking about. Otherwise best wishes.

[@badash1738]

That is not the case. The problem is how the force told to us. It took years for darth plagueis to acquire the strength and knowledge to even begin to manipulate the force just a little and due to his interference with the force anakin was created as a response to darth plagueis endeavors! Balance is what the force seeks so by creating the twins by manipulating the force we should expect a evil anakin for balance, which won't happen because it will flip the entire SWU on it's head. Mundi now lied to the jedi council and is now born 40 years sooner.... The witches are canon and i have no problem with the witches. The problem is Disney alienates it's fan base for fringe ideologies that are taking place in real life....these things are the motivation for all of their poor decision making. Headland during interviews bragged about how gay star wars is... Come on man! Headland has no idea what she is doing, the only thing that qualified her for the job is Social politics. If Disney wanted to make a amazing star wars adaption they would let Dave Filoni write the stories, the man is MORE THAN QUALIFIED and PROVEN CAPABLE. Every person with a brain cell can see this! The jedi pinpointed the girls location across the universe and when they get there...they need a tracker? Force sensitive people can not hide their powers, this is what made palpatine powerful... a sith in plain sight amongst the politicians and jedi! It took palpatine a long time to learn how to hide his power! Clever video for views and clicks tho but bad taste and bad form man!

[@NebLleb]

And you're proving his point. Congratulations.

[@JimmyTheGhost16]

Dave gave the green light for the witches. It barely touched on the witches structure as a group compared to the real world. It had no forced propaganda. George made the OG trilogy and references the Viet Cong as the rebels. He was political at the time and it’s not wrong to have real world references to current issues. SW has always been against oppression and problems with organizations. It hasn’t confirmed if the witches are even the good or bad guys. And if the Night sisters can create Savage and make it possible for him to wield the force I’m fine with the witches making the twins. Because of Dave we have time travel in SW