They Say Marines Can't Beat This Army

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[@boreduser12]

Thermal talks about the guy being a robot cause he does the same thing every game. Meanwhile thermal has been playing all marine medivac for 52 games!

[@uThermal]

damn u got me

[@boreduser12]

@@uThermal you should do his exact build against him just once, FOR US! We will forgive you for deviating from marine medivac just that once.

[@boreduser12]

@@Contriteone-.- maybe the other guy does too but is perfecting his one build right now. Or has his own challenges under different names.

[@AXharoth]

@@uThermal nah he didnt get you , you play a chalenge

[@Waizing]

I still think it was very close mayb make 2-3 more turrets around that right side think u coulda stayed at his 3rd to contain him

[@SuperAwesomeHobo]

I would say using a raven or 2 for support or detection is totally fine for this challenge

[@RossRadikSherman]

Especially this deep into the challenge.

[@Necroneer]

The anti-armor missile would be cool too.

[@milletmongoose]

For sure. We can consider this phase 2 of the challenge.

[@bornts8944]

the raven just adds to the theme with anti armor making marines even stronger

[@tharrod1]

agreed here

[@berrieds]

Ravens for vision and anti-armour in the late TvZ seems pretty justified, if a little OP. Just being able to see and destroy the creep tumors is nuts!

[@tamanousJP]

Absolutely LOVE the addition of ravens to this challenge, especially since you always have lots of gas and are trying to hit top 16.

[@cheesypuffs1342]

def love the high lvl play. Can't believe those ravens + micro won him the game!

[@KaitlynBurnellMath]

As someone who used to play zerg back in heart of the swarm, I was always really confused why MM terrans would float 1500 gas and not build ravens against me. Every time they did build ravens I generally lost. Just...detection all the time without scanning, and the spells are decent. If building a raven causes the Terran to do one less scan and get one more mule when they're on a mineral-heavy army, that sounds like a good trade to me. Anti-armour missile also seems custom-built for marines. I mean, yes, I know: there's practical reasons why MM Terrans don't build ravens in shorter games (need a starport with a techlab, but medivacs want a starport with a reactor). But in long games? Why not?

[@cheesypuffs1342]

@@KaitlynBurnellMath i kinda miss the heat seeking missile spell. Byun & Maru would target their own medivac & boost it into zerg & protoss deathballs and then blizzard removed the ability :(

[@davidjones5059]

top 50 cheaters 😂

[@primary2630]

​@@cheesypuffs1342lol I remember when they'd do that it was so epic

[@anderandersson5229]

Zerg vs terran is just so naturally enjoyful to watch

[@Laborejo]

Finally, Ravens! That is more than fair. So many scans just for containing creep spread or hunting observers, that is not the spirit of the challenge, in my book. And the auto-turret is a robot-guy with a machine gun, so basically a Marine :)

[@Lollonman1]

This game against Zerg was insane. Amazing job man!

[@tamanousJP]

Raven marine medivac is actually a really cool unit comp. Not really seen anywhere.

[@anhtuanpda]

Base trade to GM: Never fight head on, wait until opponents leave their base to base trade. Every unit to GM: You have to sit back until you finish making every Terran unit. Then you can go attacking. The micro will be insane.

[@juanlezama3729]

That sounds like a pretty nice challenge, the base trade to GM

[@tharrod1]

holy crap, that would be funny

[@SindarinElealar]

Honestly, in that game vs. Mills at the point when you got his CC, if you just pulled back and destroyed everything outside the range of the tank on the low ground instead of going for the tank, it seems like you should be able to beat him; that's tons of extra damage and supply block for ages and denial of his natural for a while.

[@milletmongoose]

Executing the SCV when you could have forced him to build a refinery instead. That is brutal.

[@xcel9769]

He was just gonna get stuck again haha

[@Kevincentius]

Amazing lol, 29:50 btw if someone wants to see it again

[@djGiovanniP]

You gotta add Ravens for detection and anti armour. I want this challenge to go as far as possible!

[@momchilandonov]

38:30 Enemy Terran floating on 2.5k gas :D I feel like he was also playing on a challenge to float on gas!

[@adrianbyg5553]

Very interesting to see mass marines and reavens. I would enjoy see more or even add them to the challenge

[@VinayKapadiaVK]

Thermy: "Marines just can not kill X" Also Thermy: proceeds to kill X with his marines.

[@youtubeforcinghandlessucks]

in the forgg game, 36:20, your returning marines could load in a medivac and drop on his tanks while your in-base army engages his marines and keeps them busy

[@Kasslim11]

3:59 "I made more marines which is more marine heavy" Thank you for your great wisdoms O-O

[@blakedurrant9399]

Man with gun Marc strikes again. Legend says he comes with enough medivacs to block out the sun

[@andersonsamson872]

Wow! Game 1 TvZ was amazing. Yes to Ravens for vision and anti armor if ultras are on route. That was probably one of the most intense games I've watched you play, let alone win. Sti watching the rest and had to drop a line on this. Well done!

[@Wezelkonijn]

Pure marine vs ultra, bane and infestors... Hold my hand Marc, i'm scared!

[@pandahuakbar5470]

uThermal playing TvZ like it's Starship Troopers

[@AndrewArts]

I was thinking marine ravens would be a dope combo actually!

[@petrowi]

that SCV coulda made an extractor and unstick itself ;)

[@Shitposter-yp7dj]

Loved the zerg fight that was incredible

[@vincentqiao5930]

10:29 There is a drone pretending to be a baneling...XD

[@catbert7]

If not for sacrificing so many Marines trying to kill that Tank, it might have been a V.

[@benhandyside6120]

Love how every marine had their own personal medivac!

[@hats1642]

remember, ABS. always be splitting.

[@anialator1000000]

Conditional exceptions make sense in GM MMR In my opinion. Like you are allowed to make up to 2 ravens at a time only if you confirmed your opponent is doing specific things such as Ultras or other capped number of units when the main build just can't really stop the opponents build without help (but like say tanks are only defensive). No "free losses".

[@House3272]

+1 for Ravens. Personally think minus auto-turrets, they're support units like medivac's and are 'legal' for any challenge.

[@user-mv2nn6rw2w]

That fight with the low ground tanks at your main at ~35:30, if you're alphastar you can pull just a few SCVs from your third to flank the tanks from the low ground to draw thier attacks, which is technically doable by humans if you have the time to slowly analyze the situation and come up with the strategy, or if you remember the strategy for the next time. With that you will probably have enough marines left over to hold the rest of the marines later on, it was super close after all.

[@boreduser12]

The mistake thermal made was to try to get that tank on the high ground in the beginning. He should've just killed those depots on the natural

[@omegaslast]

yep lost 2 medivacs and 20 marines and didnt even kill the tank. could have easily killed 400 minerals worth of supply depots instead. Sometimes i think the "good trade" is reserved for unit trades which makes no sense to me. right after that forgg exploited his lack of vikings and used the raven to harass him and occupied him for like 60 seconds with auto turrets. that was huge because it gave forgg so much time to recover. i think a viking should be allowed if opponents are leaving spell casters next to minerals (i wouldnt be surprised if forgg knows hes not allowed to build vikings)

[@asimolok]

insane games loves your commentary so in depth and funny

[@ugabuga1361]

ravens should be allowed in every challenge. juts like medivac

[@nilsdemello907]

I think anything that improves the Marines damage, you should do, the Raven´s anti-armor missile is a good way to see way Marines can do, against heavy armored enemies :)

[@anonimus370]

I've been missing BeastyQT content, and lo and behold the mighty youtube algorithm starts recommending me you.

[@crazycat1380]

10:29 there is a drone hidden in those banelings

[@marzix427]

That poor stuck SCV... could have built a Refinery

[@mr_clean575]

Have you ever learned something from your challenges that you would apply to a professional match?

[@milna64]

Upgrades add 10% (min 1). So if your unit deals less than 10 damage per shot upgrades are extra effective. Marines deal 6 which marines +3 marines deal 9 - 50% better! Interceptors and BCs vs air deal 5 so upgrades are even better for them. BC vs ground is the same as marine. Queens, reapers, high Templar and broodlings deal 4 so they are the units most affected by upgrades.

[@CarterMitchell-pn8dm]

Challenge Idea: Defense challenge. Win the game by turtleing up. Don't attack or harrass at all, just expand bases and try to absorb all of the map by just slowly expanding your defensive structures and units without attacking. Granted, this could take a while so you could end it in a few ways, maybe just turtle until like minute 10 or 15 or something, or until you have half the map, or until he is starve out.

[@Kalenz1234]

Anti Amour missile increases Marine damage to ultras to 250%

[@ryderdonahue]

To elaborate more on the brightness, I find the GSL cast videos to have much higher gamma and less contrast, especially in the shadows which make the content much more readable and pleasant to watch.

[@L76_Official]

Couldnt your next series after skyterran be Doomdrop to GM? Would be hilarious to watch.

[@ajm2872]

Playing mass marine is the closest a Terran gets to playing Zerg 🦂🦂🦂

[@milna64]

I remember stim used to take exactly as long as CS + CS because if you had 2tech labs they'd finish together.

[@TheCrazyDuck]

I had to quote "Getting over it" when I saw the tank and Ravens: You Cheated Not Only the Game, But Yourself! Just kidding!

[@boreduser12]

UThermal gets so many "free" units in every game, you'd think he would never lose!

[@RobinLundqvist]

Haha yea. “I can reach it”… with 2 marines

[@crazycat1380]

3:27 you could've mineral walked the SCV into the zerg's base.

[@seitavw]

Vocab lesson of the day: when you have 1:1 ratio of Medivacs to Marines, its called a "cloud of medivacs" lol. Also, if you are splitting Marines more than using them in a deathball, its called "splitties". Lol. Amazing game, well done

[@joeschmidt8856]

hey uthermal, you should do a game build where you drop supply depots from the command center before building more depots for supply. as a chellege

[@blamasterk]

if you have a rematch and are concerned they would know how you are (despite you having changed your pic) you could drastically change your glhf pattern, because it's very recognizable in its uniformity. So be the first one to write it and alter it in other ways.

[@Quintilianator]

Wouldn't be surprised if we see an SCV union strike after that firing by firing squad

[@slutmonke]

i think the raven detection for creep is super underrated

[@alk672]

uThermal's 3rd CC lands as I'm finishing orbital on my 2nd CC usually...

[@hoofhearted4]

honestly, i think making a unit or two just to prevent the free loss is fine. like the Raven so you dont need to mass scan as much, or like if a Tank in the base stopped you from losing to a cheese or something. i get wanting to see if you can win solely my marine/medivac (or whatever challenge), but if a unit or two prevents a loss, but doesnt contribute really to the win, then i think its acceptable. Basically, if the unit comp is what wins the game, then a few supporting units here and there should be acceptable.

[@davef5916]

cleaned up SO much creep with the ravens wow.

[@fruchu]

That was the sickest TvZ I've ever watched :)

[@raphaelaldenmendoza8468]

Love binge watching the challenges from start to finish

[@monkeybutt2270]

damn those splits are actually damn good

[@dmitriyzverev6560]

What could be better than well marinate - M&M )) love it. Definitely you need ravens not more than 2, to turn off not than more 4 tanks

[@NecroSexy]

@30:44 , trying to kill the tank cost you

[@SystemsDevel]

uThermal what an ultralisk destroyer game! you rock! can you PLEASE do a game with Marine Medivac WidowMine?? you can stim marines and advance with drilling claw mines should be sick!

[@Zamiroh]

I'm glad you built a few ravens, no point in needlessly losing!

[@gerbenrampaart8042]

thermy would you consider turning the upgrade notifications on which appear on the left? You maybe was asked this before and maybe you find the notifications annoying, but as viewer it's nice to see the combat shield and stim notifications pop up and how you time them.

[@Peter-rn5bu]

Should have slight edits to rules like ravens as the series progresses, QOL and better chances at the higher level, as long as the overall theme is the same; reaper start, a couple of tanks, couple of ravens, a few ghosts, use them as hero units sparingly but impactfully and it will be much more interesting especially against the highest rated players Maybe you can have primary units and then use other units as a one time "active" (as opposed to passive). if cool ideas pop up, the viewers will probably forgive you for making those creative impactful plays

[@dude8351]

Dumb random idea: Zerg, -lisk to GM muta/hydra/ultra and nothing else I almost said lurker because in italian is called "criptolisca" lol

[@user-mv2nn6rw2w]

If you want to add ravens (detection should be allowed), you'd probably be better off if you make the decision before the next game so you can make up your mind what spells are allowed and mentally prepare yourself not to use autoturrets and/or scramble if you decide against that too. Would still much rather you went for it right from the start though, you'd probably be able to go much further with marine medivac + raven if you had more practice with it.

[@cauchyschwarz3295]

2nd cheating within 2 episodes *shakes head in disbelief*

[@sunken8068]

When does the Skyterran challenge start? Been looking forward to that for sooo long!!! XD Keep up the good work man!

[@T1stG]

i think ravens for support and detection is fine, something to sink all that extra gas into lol

[@VeritronX]

If you let yourself use an enhanced version with even just a couple of ravens I think you'd could probably get to top 16, being able to put a couple of tanks into timeout or anit- armour missle would be pretty helpful

[@destonwong2577]

Fight against the zerg was amazing, did not thought uthermal will win.

[@figuringitout4182]

awesome content as always . moving forward would totally be ok with you adding ravens or libs to break siege lines or deal with colossus . also defensive tank on each base seems ok with me . keep up the good stuff, big fan.

[@txopin]

It’s totally ok to go for phase II in the challenges. U did it before!

[@onemember]

I'm always super scary for those (full of units) almost 0 hp Medivacs for attacking o.0

[@alk672]

10 marines healed by 100 medevacs killing a late game GM zerg is basically the best thing I've seen in Starcraft ever, and I've been playing and watching this game for almost a decade.

[@user-om4yd5br8b]

29:53 bro u don't have to kill poor innocent SCV that is stuck. There's a chance that it will move aside if you start a refinery!

[@christophkeller6617]

for those who are into competitive sc2 i recommend the DH Atlanta EU Final between Reynor and Clem Also amazing content like always Marc :)

[@InservioLetum]

@uThermal I really wish there was a glossary of all the jargon you use. Terms like "rax", "my natural", " two one one" and "cheese". It took me MONTHS to work out what the word "finna" means, because almost everyone that uses the word isn't literate enough to translate it back to queen's english. You however are DUTCH! Would you be a sweetheart and save me months of investigation, Thermy? Engels of Nederlands is beide prima, meme Français oder selbst Deutsch. Awetism is ausome but I would really like to understand everything you're saying.

[@davidjones5059]

lift Barracks and put in front of your base to see enemy before they come

[@Supergoon1989]

I think Upgrades might matter most on Zerglings. Even more than marines.

[@ackrite8139]

Doesn’t it sadden you a little bit that you can almost top ladders with fun strategies and constraining yourself? Feels like there’s not much competition anymore these days

[@rainerunsinn7952]

you really produce sick highlight games - i follow you now since the challenge 3 or so - you save replays of your crazy omega cool games ? a " best of" would be the best of terran starcraft ever !! and i play n watch since release 2010 ^^ so i ve seen a lot also all E sport highlights since 2011 - even after all this games n highlights - if its kas to Polt or bomber or MMA , innovation or special and so on n on - i saw them all =) , was also a fan of you in tournaments back n the days , n rooting for u , always like team liquid and tlo and co - and still ... you able to impress and foremost surprise me after all this time =) - didnt expert what u can pull from those challenges =) you really awesome sc player and a excellent commentator - grateful greetings

[@uThermal]

I send replay packs to my patreon subs and youtube members on my discord ^^

[@seso5982]

i can´t wait for "Air -Terran Campain"-btw. no phases, or what?

[@hoofhearted4]

just keep splitting, just keep splitting, just keep splitting, splitting, splitting.

[@jessejames1590]

you could've picked up the stuck scv instead of executing him :(

[@valpanig]

you can build 2 tanks per command center in grand master league, raven for zerg to clean up creep

[@DKCHEUNG]

That game 1 was intense

[@chrisgriffith1573]

Tough match-up... GG's.

[@juanlezama3729]

Should try no retreat challenge: no attacking unit is allowed to go back to base, either kill or bee killed

[@zanac76]

29:50 could also just airlift the SCV out with a medivac? :)

[@momchilandonov]

30:53 why is he not getting the free supply depots there? 100 minerals per each and first one was on 30% hp already.

[@bakyra4683]

I really enjoy the challenge series :) Is there anything you've learned from challenges that you think is unknown or obscure in the current pro-players meta?

[@justjoshingya504]

I think you should be allowed to use a viking to snipe drops from Terran strictly defense only I don't think that would be a problem

[@sosocrazy1234]

Should be allowed to make ghosts w/o nukes vs ultras...

[@VeryBadPlayerTV]

Also once there are no more terran unit combos, is rank 1 the next challenge video? all units allowed

[@ThePalatineHill]

meat grinder strat while not that effective it certainly makes for entertaining matches

[@boreduser12]

You'll need PFs at the edge of the creeps to fight against ultras

[@wasajin]

Cloaked Banshees the GM next, please!