They trusted this with their life...

[@TrueHelpTV]

Those ropes were the mandated backup line in tower life back in the day. Frankly.. almost 14 kN in a knot makes me feel good knowing how I was using this stuff 15 years ago.

[@OldManJenkins23]

Yup, we still use this kind of 3-strand as the primary safety for rope rescues / rappelling. I'd use this rope, just make sure your safety is high above your head. Rock climbers freak out when anything isn't rated for a 10' fall.

[@cherriberri8373]

​@OldManJenkins23 it's all about controlling variables, but often while rock climbing you have very little control. That's why they have such high standards for things like that, when rock climbing a sudden 10 foot fall before being stopped is not that uncommon

[@LetsTalkAboutPrepping]

Just don't bleach em

[@michaelprudhomme4986]

​@@LetsTalkAboutPrepping man I just replied to one of your dumbass comments and here you are again making another on the very next video 😂😂😂

[@JazzIs4urSoul]

@@TrueHelpTV we mandate 23kn minimum now, at least in my company

[@alexscarborough6263]

12kn is roughly 2500lbf that rope is fine.

[@AgentTexes]

Depends on how heavy you are and how far you're falling.

[@DELTAREDGHOST]

@@AgentTexesif you fall from high enough to break that rope your already dead it would snap your neck back legs etc

[@JazzIs4urSoul]

@@DELTAREDGHOST not if you have a shock absorber secondary like a PETZL ASAPsorber

[@scoopstacey3112]

​@@H-to-Owhich is cool and all. But it's literally your lifeline. Have just a little more respect for your life and/or the lives of the people you work with. Statistically speaking, it may not change a whole lot. But if you're fucking sane, it will help you sleep at night.

[@HalfBakedHeroes]

That is for a window cleaners platform

[@Jack_Lange]

Climbing is completely different to working from ropes

[@gibthegrey2214]

It's rope suspending you and catching your fall same forces applied

[@Jack_Lange]

@@gibthegrey2214 do you work from rope or are you a rock climber?

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

@@gibthegrey2214Massive difference between a static and dynamic load, homie

[@damiannichols1250]

​@@Marines_Memelevolentthe problems come when that static becomes dynamic

[@cooperswan534]

@@Marines_Memelevolentin theory you’re right, but in practice there is simply no benefit to not having something that will save you if you suddenly become a dynamic load

[@dooooooval904]

12kn for us american folk is just shy of 3000k pounds resistance. And the caribiner @ 31kn is about 7000 lbs. Not bad unless your window cleaning platform is more than 1000 pounds.

[@PneumaticFrog]

Yep, at that point you'd be using metal wire instead of ropes

[@danebelling9526]

​@@H-to-O I would be impressed and HORRIFIED to see rope rated to 3000K

[@kelnap2294]

But isn't there multiple ropes per platform?

[@alexiscobian9146]

The rope is a OSHA approved life line, It’s used to tie you off onto the roof and onto your harness not a platform. And when you fall your body weighs a few thousand pounds easily

[@centralfinitecurve-ling...]

12kn is 2700

[@garrettbelshe8954]

All of that seemed strong enough to keep using for a while.

[@befer]

Absolutely not. Especially in high winds and with human lives on the line. (literally)

[@photic9855]

Technically strong enough? 100%...but safely strong enough? No quite, Firstly anything can happen and the last thing you want is someone dying because of a mistake somewhere especially if afterwards they look at the rope and carabiner and see rust and degreded somewhat they the company would be held liable for it and that all is something nobody wants for anyone

[@stevenwade5923]

100%❤

[@stevenwade5923]

​@@beferyou don't know. You are just saying things. The carabiner was rated for 22kn and broke at 34kn. 😂winds... lol

[@darthsnarf]

It's 3000 pounds even at full falling force wearing other equipment it's not going to break. Still worth replacing because it's going to keep getting worse

[@goed1adit]

i learn to rappel on hawser like that 20+ years ago 😅

[@thegurw1994]

When I took my first rope access course they stressed that you don't use chemicals that could affect the rope, or if you do, to change the rope frequently. The window washer companies in my area mostly avoid bleach, they use a gentle soap mixture. Bleach is commonly used in moss treatments for roofs, and window washing companies sometimes do that, but in my area they use different equipment. Coated wires on SRLs with replaceable double-action hooks.

[@TheMetalButcher]

I would also trust my life to that.

[@javaslapnervedjosh1877]

wow what a strong carabiner too bad its broken now.

[@wea69420]

disposable item. Probably was well beyond its useful lifespan too

[@DrSabot-A]

Do you really think thats the only one left in the world?

[@moneybilla]

​@@DrSabot-A lmao from the comment I see, kid you are the only dumbass who think it's the only one in the world lmao😂

[@jamesf4423]

Dude it’s corroded and rusted to hell haha I figure a guy with a DE profile pic could pay attention better than that.

[@javaslapnervedjosh1877]

@@jamesf4423 Dude i play a game about a raging alchohlic hallucinating about his ex wife and talking to his necktie. Are you sure that this is what you want to base youre standard of intelligence off of.

[@jonbong8547]

I have a feeling that i weigh substantially less than what it took to break that lol

[@SuprSBG]

The concern is if you fall the sudden force may be more

[@Sleepless_in206]

this is from treating roofs for moss growth. many window cleaning company’s do this service and bleach/water mixture about 50/50 is what’s used.

[@harlanstockman5703]

The chemicals were likely the big effect. But you might be surprised how much mineral dirt, inside a rope, will weaken it, even if not obvious by appearance. Thanks again.

[@johnnymac6242]

Im a mason and i use a 70 year old sailing rope from england and a bent rebar hook. The limiting factor of the system is the plastic 5gal buckets. Theyre weaker than anything.

[@inexactchicken]

My rope looks pretty similar so I’m glad to see it hold up

[@Quickmf56]

That hashtag got me for a second

[@NickMate]

Reminds me of that medieval torture machine

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

I have seen ropes break at both knots, and in the middle at the same time

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

Very specific circumstances thoughh

[@johnlorch3484]

Please don't advise people to buy construction equipment from you. It's cool to see this test done, but there are certain standards osha requires and climbing gear doesn't have the same. Like the carabiner, it has to have a 2 point locking system, not like others. Yes the rope can be different to a point, and need to add the drop protection straps if not part of the rope. Yes climbing equipment does the same thing, but it's not the action being performed, it's osha standards. Trust me, you don't want that ticket or be watched by osha.

[@wyattroncin941]

He has a section of the store selling professional rope access gear. It's not just recreational gear, he sells a drill powered pulley FFS. But yes, you shouldn't use recreational gear for professional climbing, the standards for equipment are not the same.

[@mbarricelliwv]

​@@wyattroncin941 the rope access gear probably is geared towards rescue operations which would fall under NFPA standards and not OSHA so even there it falls under different rules

[@wyattroncin941]

@@mbarricelliwv petzl ID and ASAP, triple locking steel biners, etc. Idk, sounds like rope access gear to me. He is IRATA qualified, so he knows what the requirements are for rope access gear. And of course, anyone else who's IRATA qualified should know what certifications to use, which are available on item pages.

[@deancunanan3053]

@@mbarricelliwvI’m not sure if Rope Access and Rope Rescue are categorized in the same standard.

[@matthewmikas6012]

Idk man. I buy equipment from him to use at work I haven't died yet. He does sell some professional equipment. Honestly most (or atleast alot of) recreational climbing gear is rated high enough to meet the standard. But hasn't been ansi or asme approved so it's a no go. The biggest issue in work at heights isn't the gear being used. It's people not tying off or using the gear wrong. People rarely fall because the gear failed when used appropriately. It's people not tying off, using damaged gear (like in the video) or not understanding how the gear works. Whats the functional difference in a petzl ID and a grigri+? A bigger handle and sometimes the ID is rated for 2 people? Would I use a grigri at work? No, I'd get fired. But I trust it on Saturday. Why wouldn't I trust it on monday?

[@Epck]

I once bleached a towel and it fell into pieces like paper

[@youtubeman998]

To be fair, I don't think window cleaners are taking whippers regularly

[@donaldduck476]

You guys would DESPISE the rope we use at the rig😂😂

[@4Gehe2]

If you work around strong chemicals, even if you use 316 stainless, replace all your stuff regularly. I'm an engineer, and used to do metal fabrication before that stainless is one of my specialities. I know exactly it's limitations, and it has a plenty of those.

[@1rorysteele]

Lol I remember those. If my genie lines snapped, I I probably woulda died with the safeties we used back in the day. I swear we only ever threw em over the side just to keep the safety guys happy.

[@nightshadethewolf6307]

Probably avoid usibg anything OXIDIZING around your rope, oxidizers will chemically chew up organic matter such as rope.

[@nicoduck]

Even though the rating of the rope was lower than usual, it would still be more than the weakest link (10kN, your anchor). Still, that stuff should have been replaced a while ago (at least here in Germany).

[@soulsnatcher9228]

Actually a whole lot stronger than I thought it would have been for being soaked in chemicals for so long

[@ReverbCanvas]

Tom cruise energy lmao

[@tristan5546]

Thats really strong

[@mikehunt-zx8tr]

This is like when the doctor over exaggerates symptoms to drinking…I might have a problem

[@sgt4204]

Imagine surface rust causing weakness.

[@lampshade6579]

People are missing the point of this video, 12kn is definitely enough to hold you up, the problem is that the rope should be a lot stronger than that. Meaning if you keep using the rope under the same conditions the rope is constantly becoming weaker, one day it might potentially rapidly grow weaker under the right conditions, cuz that's just how materials work. Meaning it might just straight up fail. Safety equipment should be overkill, cuz even the best safety equipment fails, why would you be fine with using an unkempt weaker piece of equipment?

[@KaeycenLim]

That was a strong carabiner

[@aeop]

IT'S GALVANISED ☝️😤

[@Tsuraga21]

They really just showed us the equivalent of executing a perfectly healthy middle age man

[@JazzIs4urSoul]

Those hooks are generally rated at 36kn, I use them for cell tower work

[@mc-zy7ju]

Pretty good really all things considered

[@dorkbros9623]

Do more videos of construction fall resistant testing

[@soupxv213]

If it even struggles under hydroclic pressure im sure ill be fibe dangling from it

[@askjeevescosby2928]

Can you test asbestos ropes. They were extremely tough.

[@karlcarlsberg9775]

Do you realize there is a difference between climbing and cleaning windows on a platform? When climbing your life literally depends on the line while it’s under constant pressure. While being on a platform the rope is to secure you and is only needed if you fall out or the platform malfunctions.

[@jolttsp]

Was just wondering what happened to Tim Tebow

[@Na0uta]

Its clearly time to replace the wron rope. But a more accurate response to this rope breaking would be. Yes, its old. But it still has a lot of life left in it. The nearly 3000 LBS of shock weight is more then enough for 1 person to climb on. If you have a smaller light platform. And the load is 1000LBS. Then youd want to be a bit more skeptical. The hook would likely outlive the persons work career with its massive load being held. Long story short, yes it should be replaced. But it was in no way a hazzard if used within reason.

[@captainnathan1164]

I was working three stories up putting flashing on a custom tree house and the rope at the top reminded me of this, it was actually a rapelling setup and not even a normal catcher was sjetch af cut myself and started bleeding but didn't want to come down because I didn't want to go back up

[@GWCHM]

The rope that killed the climber broke at 10-11kn so the bleach rope was stronger.?

[@raycar1165]

Super good enough

[@DerfOrNuffin]

I thought they use ammonia on windows...

[@efinveecaught7281]

Soap that some times contains ammonia, but not often anymore, is used for window cleaning (Think dawn dish soap, thats a common one) the bleach is from the roof cleaning, called "soft washing" to remove algae and dirt using chemicals instead of pressure washing

[@DerfOrNuffin]

@@efinveecaught7281 ahh alll.i thought of was like window cleaners 🤣 are the only one using harnesses 🫠 Of course they're not the only ones

[@veridico84]

Was a really strong carabiner

[@Gabriel123-12]

Put two books in there

[@hamishnouwens6466]

What is the factory stated break force on that rope?

[@ulogy]

Usually 22kN or so, for ANSI Technical uses like this. Some jobs might require around 40. They factor in degradation as part of the requirements, FWIW, but this rope in the video is either quite old as is or was used as a backup in some capacity, as most cleaners use braided ropes more similar to climbing ropes these days, rather than the stranded rope shown in the video.

[@confusion9950]

I have a small thing going on and, I replace my ropes yearly. I learned from my ladder ropes breaking (I would replace my ladder rope with cheap rope with extra in van NEVER A CHEAP ROPE FOR FALL ARREST IM ALWAY OVER SPEC);

[@jacklussier9471]

I watch these videos instead of the harness ones, cause I don’t use rope to repel/ascend.

[@birucheeto7299]

It survived long enough to get to you didn’t it? I’d trust it

[@definedrebel2451]

Were these bad numbers on the rope? You should give numbers for what safe levels of strength should be for those who don't know.

[@richardgraham2303]

I don’t get why he was so thrilled it had been used for window cleaning 🤔

[@gr.4380]

bruhhh did that used to be orange? that's awful 😭

[@joneinarmattiasvisser6113]

Now you mentioned it I think yes it might have once been orange😂

[@56sarmgoblin58]

11kn is like 2000 lbs of force, id trust that

[@braedenreed4052]

Holy shit dude you're my coworker

[@davidcantwell2489]

Interesting, google says hemp is just as strong as nylon.

[@danafredrickson42]

Bleach breaks everything down even a shirt it'll eat a hole in a shirt and that's made of material so is that rope?

[@LyricSnowe]

Im just wondering why his pants are pulled up so high

[@MacMalcyMac]

Surely that's a haul line, not a working line.

[@tootsownhorn5874]

Better not have any window cleaner guys that weigh as much as a pickup truck.

[@billydurbin8165]

Thanks for giving us a measurement in a metric no one uses. Who cares about any of this if I don't know the force it took to break.

[@HowNOT2]

1 kN ~= 224.8 lbf

[@yeeteryam]

Knots in the rope will add more stress to the rope and decrease its strength

[@yeeteryam]

That rope doesn’t look like the kind used in rope access, what are the rope specs

[@gnarkillgnarkill7725]

It's called a safety hook.I'm surprised you don't know that.

[@parathings]

How do i send my stuff in to get tested

[@inthehole9159]

Yeah I mean the way their talking about this is kind of misleading. 12 kn is about 3,000 lbs

[@chadvail4436]

I like the ones at a gas station always cheaper and last forever

[@xXTherapistdogXx]

That’s like over 3500 pounds of force to break its prolly fine

[@taylorwilson2010]

Isn't a average sized person at rest 1kn? Also is this not the accessory rope?

[@evertonperk661]

Could be "howknot2"?

[@imtheslothking]

I don't get it, ropies are some of the best paid workers(2-3k a week easy) and if you have a trade behind you add 1k lol but they are always skimping on gear

[@prawnstar502]

what units of measurements are these?!?

[@PotatoKing-nl5zg]

How strong is bow string

[@stardanrex]

14 KN ‘s WOAH what does that mean for a non roper

[@k992-o6r]

y'all i stg surface rust is not structurally significant, you should be concerned when it's pitted & sheds masses of red/black rust flake

[@adamhebert5365]

34kN on that? Nice.

[@jpesicka]

Whats the Kn thats good enough then?

[@Spartan-3144]

Idk much about climbing, but from what I've seen, it depends on your weight and height of fall, higher than what you think you need is always a safe bet

[@Spartan-3144]

@elliotthoepf1024 and Google'd never lie to you, right?

[@samanthasimental3788]

That should smell like ammonia not bleach. Window cleaner has ammonia not bleach.

[@Sleepless_in206]

this is from treating roofs for moss growth. many window cleaning company’s do this service and bleach/water mixture about 50/50 is what’s used.

[@dbblues.9168]

Bleach is murder on everything.

[@willburton5886]

How many pounds is this

[@charliec6286]

11kn is like 2k pounds thats strong

[@andrewut7ya511]

Window washers dont give a hoot about no bleached ropes

[@kylenmaple4668]

Ah yes, cause everyone knows how much 1Kn is equivalent to in the real world

[@Antihero8800]

So you're saying it is still good and you broke it for fun.

[@FishHeadsIV]

How many kn is the bare minimum

[@234i9]

For what?

[@FishHeadsIV]

@@234i9 for a human falling safe 50 or 100 ft

[@samuelmellars7855]

Minimum rating will depend on many things. I don't know the actual regulations/recommendations so you should check them out, but the logic is more or less as follows: For a static load (just hanging out on the rope) take the suspended load (your weight+equipment) in kG and multiply by 10 for N (actually 9.8..., but 10 is easier). 100 kg (about 200lb) is 1000 N, or 1 kN Then add in reality and dynamic loads and things change. A small drop adds lots of force! But if the suspension is elastic, the force is spread out over time, so the max load is reduced. Knots, bends, going through hardware, all reduce the load a rope can take before breaking. Some knots will lower it to only 30% of max rating. So a 3kN rope can break at 1kN! Then add in a safety factor. 10 kN might be fine if nothing goes wrong? But safety standards likely require a higher rating, because if things go wrong, that might not be enough to save your life

[@tehs3raph1m]

2400lbs

[@joshuaheathcote2116]

What three hell is a kN

[@O-pinyin]

A rusty cari-what now? 🤨

[@2518josh]

KN = killa nots

[@yoboislze9741]

Why Knot

[@foodforthought92]

A rusty Care what!?!

[@timmo971]

What window cleaner uses bleach anyways???

[@alecwhatshisname5170]

Prolly meant ammonia.

[@ajk374]

He said window washing and roof cleaning. Sodium hypochlorite is used for roof cleaning.

[@lonelybikr]

I use dish soap and methanol in the winter.

[@skylarker9]

@@lonelybikr Dish soap and methanol in water or? I’m curious because I work on tugboats and cleaning the windows in the winter is difficult with freezing salt spray and sub zero temps. Most of our windows are heated but those that aren’t can be a pain to clean.

[@nickkirschner3719]

You got to be kidding me? It’s fine I’d trust my life to that if I was washing windows it’s not like you’re gonna take a whipper on it, besides 12-14 kn to break?? Fine by me

[@taron8475]

*How knot 2* lol

[@mikemar42]

Stop posting in newtons. It's not impressive to a lay man to read this crap in newtons.

[@ianmangham4570]

Lmmfnro, nothing wrong with it 😅

[@Ovenpotato33]

#sauce

[@saphron613]

My Xbox HDMI cord is stronger