They used HOW MANY amps?!

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Joe Rickard goes over the sick guitar settings behind the In Flames track "Meet Your Maker"
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[@derbinromu5622]

all this talk about the amp and mics and pre mics but what about the speaker in the cab? why dont we ever hear about the speaker when they speak about the sound on a album. Wondering this because it is known that the speaker has the most effect on the tone

[@devendasmusic]

Dude I KNEW I wasn’t crazy for doing that transient shaper trick on my DI

[@BrofUJu]

It's sick on bass too! Especially if you do it in multiband

[@shanemharris]

I seriously need to try this! I love that you can blend it in as a 'pick attack' gain.

[@xw0ex948]

What exactly does it do for the DI?

[@BrofUJu]

@@xw0ex948 it just gives it more more attack and bite. Creating a bigger difference with the pick attack and then the sustain of the note, which helps it jump out in the mix

[@freshsalad6278]

Learn to use a compressor

[@mattwhite399]

This is a killer clip!

[@professorflitch]

I love that Joe is trying to get that 'modern' punch but is still including amps and live drums. Nice approach!

[@RiffGrimez]

In case you’re wondering who Mike is- it’s Mike Plotnikoff. God tier producer and engineer. I got to work with him several times and got to use Bjorns guitar he gave to Mike along with these same amps on a recent project!

[@markmendozavano]

Since I could only afford Native Instruments I had their transient master plugin on kicks and copy pasted the settings to the guitar DIs as.a starting point. Sometimes it blends so well I don't even touch the settings on the DI. It's a great trick.

[@karterestill]

URM why haven't we done a nail the mix with Josh wilbur and trivium yet😮

[@Jazzguitar00]

I feel like it's pretty standard to NOT use reverb on your rhythm guitars nowadays. I'm kind of surprised when I find out someone is. Obviously, these guitar tones are sick so he's making it work.

[@taylolz]

It's a shame because lots of music now sounds extremely dry.

[@karterestill]

Depends on what I'm trying to achieve but I always have a small amount of reverb on my guitars. I feel like it adds dimension but if you use too much it washes. (I'm using a kemper so I have about 15% reverb in the mix. I also do this live too)

[@robertritzenthaler3775]

@@taylolzyou’re right. Dry and too midrangey

[@karterestill]

@@robertritzenthaler3775 all the mids baby lol

[@robertritzenthaler3775]

@@karterestill hate the modern metal guitars which sound way too dark, boxy, dry, and midrangey. Sucks shit.

[@purplemonkeyelephant]

Agree about drums not sounding natural. Most drums are so compressed and EQ'd these days they don't resemble real drums. You hear the 'behind the scenes' of people playing drums straight through the console and it sounds epic, and then they compress it, eq it, limit the track to an inch of it's life, and suddenly nothing sounds real anymore.

[@Lodgiefitness]

Yer, I can’t listen to new Metallica stuff, the drums really fatigue my ears

[@dzamija922]

Music is constantly evolving, and honestly this "not natural" mindset doesn't really help anybody. What do you think people thought of amp distortion when they first started using it? If you think about it, it doesn't sound anything like a real guitar. The sound is completely changed, much more so than you'd change the sound of a drum with a limiter. And yet it was completely revolutionary for rock music, while I guarantee you that there were endless people at that time making the exact same argument about it, that you're now making about overly processed drums. It's just evolving in that direction at the moment, and you can not like that and it's fine, there's lots of other music that has natural drums, in that sense of the word. Just be sure to understand that you're not really looking for "natural", you're looking for "familiar". There's an interesting vid by Adam Neely called "why your taste in music is stuck" or something and it really delves into this topic, I always recommend people to watch it when thinking about this stuff

[@purplemonkeyelephant]

@dzamija922 That's a fair point, things don't have to sound like things. In the 80's synth drums were very common. I suppose it's more that big mixes are tamed down. As a previous commenter said, the Metallica/guitar hero mixes were a good example of destructive mixing. My preference is more natural and bigger mixes that aren't overly compressed, more like a live sound, but that's just me

[@dzamija922]

@@purplemonkeyelephant that's also a fair point and it's also something that I've been thinking about myself. It's not necessarily that it's not natural, it's just too sterile. And by sterile I guess what really bothers me is that it is static, that's what makes it sterile. You have so much control in the DAW nowadays that you can eliminate basically any uncontrollable variable in the sound, but that's not necessarily what the ear wants. We like to hear a bit of dirtiness, weird stuff happening, things going overboard and a bit out of control. I absolutely love the live Metallica stuff from 89, from the perspective of a modern mix it sounds like shit but it has an undeniable energy to it that just makes it awesome, idk

[@failuretolaunchdrums]

The rhythm tone on Disclaimer is that GAS

[@askeen8796]

The chorus of Driven Under hits so hard

[@INDOMINION]

Sounds thicc. I like using multiple speaker types in the same cab. Gives a 3D vibe

[@BrofUJu]

Do people usually use the fast release on the SSL comp? I almost never do. I feel like it really tamed the transients he added in earlier, in an unpleasant way.

[@Todzuum]

URM if you can please start including speakers please.

[@josephsabatino7857]

Sorry noob here. But are the rhythm guitars pretty much quad tracked via a L/R on the live amp going in and then L/R with the NDSP plugin?

[@necroticpoison]

So sick to see

[@the_awful_guitar_player6666]

what does he means by saying triple quad ? They Tracked the guitars six times or 3 times ?

[@g3ng4rb0i3]

Huh reverb on rythmn guitars is wild, he didn't went in depth on that move. Did he eq the bottom end? Did he sidechain the verb? Did he copy the whole rythmn track and put the verb and parallel mixed it?

[@necroticpoison]

Send, and I imagine the verb is already filtered as it's in a chain plugin (a signature, mix ready one). And it was just half way in depth/size, and then mix all the way up ofc because it's a send. And then volume to taste I imagine

[@lukasgraesslin]

i love reverb on rhythm guitars, way underrated although it also depends on the context a bit. especially for black metal for example i'd go all in on reverb all the way.

[@theromulux3725]

dude... how many layers of guitar are there???

[@snapascrew]

4:50 “extra time on engineering side” aka knows how to do his damn job.

[@camageddon]

after how bad the guitar tones are on come clarity, they had to step up

[@yevgenydevine]

Ngl, this sounds like a bedroom recording.

[@omramoryth]

Your statement makes me doubt you ever heard a real bedroom recording.

[@vaeell6532]

do u not know in flames? their albums sound better than anything you've ever made, guaranteed

[@yevgenydevine]

@@vaeell6532 I don't listen to third sort metal music. Haven't heard anything from In Flames that doesn't sound like a bedroom recording compared to the top bands in the genre which I do listen to, and whether I have or have not made a better sounding record is entirely irrelevant to that neat little fact.

[@vaeell6532]

@@yevgenydevine didn't read, stay mad

[@eatadick4127]

It's pretty dope that they were still tracking live amps