Are Trans Activists Reevaluating Their Strategy?

[@chrlpolk]

I think an issue is that people confused trans with trends. The pronouns on social media, for instance. Many people who had absolutely no reason to do it, did it “in solidarity” and made the whole thing gimmicky. It became like wearing the stupid ribbon for whatever cause it was this month, as if doing that was doing something substantial. All it does is makes the whole movement seem gimmicky.

[@commonsense420]

Sorry but wanting to go after kids is down right wrong. We wouldn't allow our kids to go to strip clubs. Why would we allow trans people to do that to our kids? It is absolutely the problem. Stay away from our kids. Why go after kids? They want to indoctrinate our kids no other reason besides it. None.

[@peaceandllov]

You don’t have pronouns. Pronouns have you.

[@davidowens1424]

They exclusively focus on what they believe their rights should be while discounting and infringing on everyone else's. Also, suggesting that their plight is somehow associated with that of the Black community is insulting.

[@sew_gal7340]

Their plight is actually much more dire and important than AAs. They are still fighting for equality despite being around since the beginning of time. There's is no comparison

[@davidowens1424]

@@sew_gal7340 Their rights are protected under the ADA. Beyond that we don't care them.

[@MrKurtykurt]

The “active genocide” they pretend is happening is also pretty insane and probably pretty offensive to ACTUAL victims of genocide

[@kevinfunk83]

Intersectionality is one of the biggest shams of all.

[@kamransanayei3969]

I don't believe it's just about being loud. I believe some areas are categorized as "Trans Issues" that are, in fact, several issues that have a common denominator. Trans rights, women's sports, transitioning children, education, prisons, and restrooms are all separate issues. I've spoken to people across the political spectrum with wildly differing opinions on each. Telling someone who openly supports trans rights that they are a Nazi for having views on sports, children, or female prisoner's safety will turn them against you quickly.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

I have personally known several transsexuals (as they called themselves) over the decades. They were realistic, understood biology, and had exactly zero interest in public display or political activism. They wanted to run the course, be able to pass, and move on without fuss. They suffered from genital dysmorphia, utterly hating the (male) primary and secondary sex characteristics of their bodies. I supported them then and I do so now. Now Butler's gender ideology has crept into public discourse and has made a mess of things. We are told that being a man or woman is a feeling, not a body. That even toddlers "know" they are trans. That people are assigned sex at birth (misuse of a medical term) rather than being identified. Even that sex itself, the reproductive basis of most species, is a social construct. And we are scolded and berated for disagreeing. This is absurd and has actually harmed the interests of the transsexuals I have known. This backlash should come as no surprise to anyone who understands anything about humans.

[@eiyukabe]

"be able to pass" So... deceive others, including potential dating partners. Even the innocent version of "trans" is rotten at its core. But you are right that it has gotten much, much worse.

[@geltao-o420]

@@eiyukabe Trans people have to vet if dating partners will literally kill them on the spot if they are open about being trans. Theres literally a legal defence called the "trans panic" were a person can claim they panicked and killed a trans person because they freaked out. This has caused trans people who were just walking in public to be beaten to death by people who were sexually harassing them and then clocked them. Dont think this doesent have an effect on when and how the status of being trans gets disclosed.

[@eiyukabe]

@@geltao-o420 If it's so awful, trans people can stop LARPing like little children. Women, however, can't stop being women. they have no choice in the matter. It is devastatingly sad that this needs to be explained to full grown adults.

[@bird4816]

transsexuals > transgenders

[@english3082]

The problem is not tactics. It's content.

[@Batzarn82]

You notice how the issue isn’t ever about transmen being in the men’s room or transmen being in men’s sports? I wonder why this isn’t ever an issue.

[@lawrence208]

REAL men do not fear trans men the same way real women fear trans women.

[@williamsmith9026]

Don't go making sense in this comments section pal !

[@terrnoisrp8894]

Never understood people who can’t understand this. No one being anti-trans (mostly) other wise bigots would attack trans man being in men sports and men bathroom.

[@KathySierraVideo]

I’ve seen some trans men do a great job of explaining why THEIR presence in their “biological sex” bathroom (I.e. the girls/women bathroom) is likely far more uncomfortable for most women. As a woman, I’m more likely to feel uncomfortable with a trans man entering the bathroom (full beard, dressed as a man, presenting as A MAN) than I am with a masculine-looking woman (who might or might not have been born a biological binary male). So of COURSE men are not uncomfortable with men in their bathroom who might have been born women. But with their requirements, trans men will not BE in their bathroom… they’ll be in the girl’s bathroom, but presenting as a man because they are… trans men. Also, I think the bathroom and sport issues should be decoupled. Issues of fairness in sport are deeply complex. Do most people not realize how much of sport is inherently “unfair” in that it’s often far more about genetic advantages than merit? Most Olympic gymnasts, for example, have some version of hypermobility, and thus a massive typically genetic advantage that few non-hypermobile people could compete with. And obviously many sports favor size differences that cannot be compensated for. What perhaps we always should have understood - the inherent unfairness of many sports - is just made more obvious with the inclusion of trans women. Personally, I feel there’s a science-backed solution for the sports issues… something that factors in not just current hormone levels but developmental advantages, that eliminates unfair competitors in the same way PEDs do, but maybe we need bigger reforms where more sports ARE based on size classifications the same way wrestling and boxing are. I don’t think we can ignore the sports concerns of trans women competing against women who did not go through puberty as biological males. But the bathroom drama? seems a mostly made-up fear. My own husband was surprised to hear me, my daughters, and all my female friends say we had zero concerns about trans women in our bathrooms, and that most bathroom safety issues are around NON-trans men coming in (or spying on) women’s bathrooms. A burly looking guy in a dress? Come on in. Maybe we’ll share makeup tips 😁

[@tehmackness]

Men are more welcoming on their territory than women

[@adriandj3141]

If the conversation stopped at adults transitioning and not hurting anyone no one would have an issue. The problem is that the conversation didn’t stop there. Trans women want to go into women’s spaces with zero regard for bio women’s opinions on it. That’s what cause the backlash. When you see a huge trans woman beating bio women in sports or someone who doesn’t pass going into the women’s bathroom there is a conversation to be had but activist tell people accept everything or you’re a bigot.

[@honkbob]

well said

[@Mokorii7]

I very much doubt that no one would have an issue with trans people if only adults transitioned. Hateful people still exist

[@Ray03595]

They stopped having things to fight for and these organizations needed to justify their existence. So they went after sports, bathrooms, and kids transitioning and people have said, "too far". Rightfully.

[@sairamsriram]

'No one would have an issue'. Speak for yourself.

[@EvEnMoR]

@@adriandj3141 'Adults' being the keyword there... once they started bringing young children and minors into the mix and putting extremely risky and consequential medical practices in place and putting the delicate/mature subject matter and ideology in their schools, etc. is where myself and countless others checked out and became opposition to it. That's before even getting into all the Gov't overreach, invading women's spaces/sports, demanding full conformity and preferential treatment. The list goes on. It's gotten completely out of control. I actually feel for what's likely the majority of the LGBT community who also aren't on-board with all of that. Their well established movement/community has been seemingly hijacked and irreparably tarnished by a bunch of radical lunatics.

[@THESocialJusticeWarrior]

Trans is a gift to the GOP that just keeps giving. Right up there with "defund the police".

[@hybridPeople358]

Don't forget protecting real criminals and illegals. I said real criminals and illegals.

[@commonsense-s6w]

@THESocialJusticeWarrior unfortunately this accurate. Dems lost because of this. The farther it went, the more people distanced themselves and now Trump is power

[@bibby3027]

The result of politicians listening to social media trends

[@jeremydoucet8918]

Here’s the problem. The trans movement took their playbook right from the gay rights movement which in. large part was the struggle for same sex marriage. The underlying argument was - it doesn’t impact heterosexual couples so butt out. That logic doesn’t extend to the trans movement. Society is organized along two sexes/genders. I empathize with them because what choice do they have other than to seek integration within the existing two sex system. But in sticking so fervently to that position they’ve allowed guys like Matt Walsh to lampoon them and have alienated people who may have concerns but don’t want to ship them off to the conversion therapy (which Matt Walsh does). I’ve long thought the trans movement has done a poor job of distinguishing its potential allies from its actual enemies.

[@drehardin]

Dave Chappelle was about 6yrs too early. 🗣️ He warned you !

[@YouTrolol]

"she is a voice for her constituents" holy shit, it's like that's how it's supposed to work!

[@PumpdaBrakes-ub8kp]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WeirdenGilling]

I guess even a gimmick should

[@redorc77]

Every time a comparison or parallel is brought up between gays and trans, a huge caveat should also be brought up: being gay is about accepting yourself as you are, while being trans is exactly the opposite. Which, IMHO, makes most of the comparisons or parallels fall apart.

[@bluecoffee8414]

Being gay also does not entail full amputation of body parts and a life of being on a cocktail of pharma drugs

[@meciocio]

Being trans is not the opposite of accepting yourself lol. Trans people identify as the opposite gender THAT'S who they are. They accrpt that they are born like that. Is thr other people telling them they should not pursue what they feel.

[@HeSpeaks-u9w]

​@@meciociothat's the lie: you wish to be something you're not.

[@johnsmith7140]

Indeed

[@bird4816]

one is a sexuality and the other is an identity as well

[@antitype27]

Lots of people had problems when this was focused on the children

[@StacyAtoms]

Ya and who started the focus. GAF for children has been going on for decades and no one talked about it until Conservatives brouhht it up a few years ago

[@DeepPackChopra]

Yes, and thank god they helped bring it to public attention. Radfems too

[@jwill6008]

The question still remains... How did 1% of the 10% of the 100% get the loudest "voice" over the last 4 years? The question becomes more ridiculous when you factor in that we are speaking outside about inside behaviors‼️

[@litedawg]

Because of left wing Democrats policies

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

Here's the answer to your question because it's not just "1%" that are making all this noise. Trans individuals are still a fringe minority group but this religious belief in gender as an identity exists in a much larger population focused primarily on the left thanks in large part to indoctrination by academic institutions. "factor in that we are speaking outside about inside behaviors" Actually what is being discussed many times is a dispute in how spaces established with respect to sex based segregation are ultimately defined. The critics of gender ideology standing up for objective truth when it comes to sex. Whilst the adherents of the gender faith stand up for their belief in identity.

[@PumpdaBrakes-ub8kp]

@@litedawg I was about to write this.

[@litedawg]

@@PumpdaBrakes-ub8kp my comment has already been deleted

[@jwill6008]

@@Wayne-tu6dz Agreed! The question, which I believe to be rhetorical, was proposed for thought... not necessarily an answer. But "the answer" is definitely lying within your response and some of the others I've read. It's too nuanced to break down in a comments section, but I personally appreciate that finally, in 2024 there is a conversation about it as opposed to - whatever it has been for the last 4 or 5 years -

[@chrlpolk]

The comments section is filled with a lot of obvious right wingers, but as a lefty who is fine with bathrooms but found myself drawing a line on sports: one of the worst thing the Kamala campaign did this election cycle was to _not_ address it. From Tampon Tim to the issue of sports, they just let the right wing have the entire messaging. And surprise, most of the country was swayed by the only messaging they were getting.

[@PistolPackinHermaphrodite]

That, and common sense.

[@bibby3027]

I get what you’re saying but she couldn’t address it because she doesn’t draw a line anywhere. The republican messaging was the truth.

[@ChuckLu-en3ul]

3:44 That's a flat out LIE most Americans were never ok with people not going to the right bathroom

[@imnotmike]

I'm not sure that's true. You're making an assumption based on your biases. I'm against having young kids decide they're trans. I'm against puberty blockers for trans children. I'm against trans athletes in women's sports. But which bathroom someone uses? I see more problems with trying to regulate that than I see with letting people use their preferred bathroom. Look up Buck Angel, and tell me you'd want that person using the same bathroom as your young daughter.

[@SleepyJames]

Y’all in the comments missed the plot already it’s not that people don’t support trans right it’s the tactics that are used to grow the movement has turned people off cenk and Anna haven’t moved to the right on this they have had this same position for years and it make sense people already don’t understand they will make mistakes but attacking people for making honest mistakes isn’t helping you it’s hurting and they been saying that for years a better approach would be to inform and understand

[@userThomas-n8z]

They teach this in schools. To kids, like 5 years old Why are you going after the kids trans people?

[@MarthaAnthony]

People gave an inch and the movement took a whole lot of miles. And in those miles, lots of boundaries were crossed and most goodwill was lost. Also, it's pretty hard to get sympathy when your movement bullies, intimates, calls people names, doxxes and hands out death threats like candy.

[@lennywhite2833]

Just like the women movement calling all men toxic and stupid as a gay man I hated that I hated the way women always say that to me when so supportive of womens rights but still get treated like trash by women so ladies you are no better .

[@Joe-808]

I'm a liberal and very in favor of equal rights for everyone, including trans people. What I don't understand, though, is how it's right for someone who was born as a biological male to compete in women's sports. There are physical differences between those born as biological males and those born as biological females. It seems unfair to biological females to have to compete against individuals born as biological males, due to physical differences such as muscle mass. If there are things I'm not understanding about this issue, I'm always open to learning more and I'd always be open to changing my perspective if there's new information I'm not aware of. I haven't come across anyone who has stated why my viewpoint on this issue is invalid. Even Caitlyn Jenner agrees with my perspective on this so I'm not sure what the counter perspective is that favors those born as a biological male to compete against biological females in women's sports.

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

The issue boils down to objective truth and reality vs feelings. What's more important? Acknowledging and respecting the reality of sex and nuances of sexual dimorphism in the human species (ie. men being stronger than women generally) OR The feelings people have about some belief in an alleged identity.

[@foreverwantingpie]

Here's a few points to consider, then I ramble. Before puberty there is no real difference, so there's no legit reason to exclude young trans kids. Females are actually taller and stronger on average for a window of time There are other genetically influenced traits besides sex that confer athletic advantages (height, weight, speed) and we don't consider those traits unfair. "Runners gene" carriers are not excluded obviously. We don't exclude people whose parents could afford professional training, and that can be considered unfair At a high level, trans women must first meet a requirement of transition to be similar enough to cisgender women before competing. If they are taking hormone replacement therapy for long enough, their body composition completely changes to the same ratios of muscle as if they were cisgender. Consider a transgender man taking testosterone for years and working out. Testosterone would give him an unfair strength advantage compared to cisgender women who trained just as hard. So it would be unfair to have a transitioned transgender man complete in women's sports. His athletic ability shifts into the range of a cisgender male athlete through training and hormones. Similarly a transitioned transgender woman would have a disadvantage in men's sports; her muscle mass goes into the range of a cis female athlete over time. However, society is not ready to understand trans biology Ramble time Transgender women athletes are criticized and excluded for "unfair advantage" when they do not even win, not even close. That is almost always the case. I don't even know of any trans women who have won first place at a high level when they are allowed to compete. Because they don't have some crazy advantage. They lied that that Olympic boxer was trans to get people all riled up about this. She was cisgender and cisgender women, especially black women, have been unfairly targeted by anti-trans sports discrimination since the beginning of this issue if you look into the history of it. Intersex cisgender women have also had their hard work and careers delegitimized, and been raked through the mud, even though they didn't even know they were intersex before winning some accolade That being said, equality in sports is the last priority in this political landscape where kids are getting bullied to death for being trans (Oklahoma most recently that I know). Society is not even close to ready to accept trans people in sports. The right wing pushes a narrative that trans women, as a group not just random athletes, desperately want to infiltrate sports (read between the lines, to get into changing rooms and commit assault because they are monsters). Trans men are never talked about in this issue because they aren't seen as some scary threat Hope that helps or is at least interesting

[@jssamp4442]

I have a better question. Why does it matter to you? Are you competing against trans girls? It just sports, it's about meaningless trophies and records. It's not that important. How many trans athletes do you think there are anyway? Do you even have a dog in fight? Live and let live. Mind your own family and stop getting so involved with other people's business. It creepy how much you people obsess over other people's genitals.

[@Joe-808]

@@jssamp4442 Using your rationale, why do you care about my post? You wrote, "mind your own family". I don't believe I'm in your family so why are you taking the time to respond to me in such a rude manner? No one here's obsessing over other people's genitals, just the question about whether or not it's fair for a biological male to compete against biological females. Perhaps you're projecting because you're the only one who mentioned genitals. You might want to look into that with a therapist. Have a nice day.

[@Joe-808]

@@foreverwantingpie I appreciate your points. Thanks for replying. There have been some cases in sports such as swimming, though, where certain collegiate level athletes were unable to compete against trans athletes who were originally ranked poorly when they were competing against other males and then when they were given the opportunity to compete against females, they quickly became one of the top swimmers, making it difficult for other female swimmers to be competitive. I take your points, though, and I appreciate your reply.

[@cassiasnow]

The few trans individuals who’ve dared to criticize the trans activist bullies have received so much hate. We’ve been watching it and we see that there is zero tolerance for any form of gatekeeping so people kept their mouths shut and voted

[@nasis18]

Buck Angel comes to mind.

[@mecharidley]

I don’t care what you do with your life, but don’t enforce it on others.

[@joc8092]

I recall Cenk & Ana calling Joe Rogan a right wing transphobe for arguing against allowing transwomen to compete against other women in MMA. Lol, now Ana has done a complete 180. So are you a right wing transphobe now Ana?

[@jessecool8623]

Attacking your allies is such a laughably stupid idea. I don't know how the activists thought the strategy was a good idea.

[@RobertWGreaves]

No one’s rights require that others agree with their perspective, it is sufficient that others give you the right to have your perspective and treat you fairly.

[@HibachiOG]

I respect everyone and want Trans people to have a level of respect displayed to them, but the bathroom issues and sports are two areas that I and many other Americans will not give up ground on. I'm unclear is Wos is in favor of this but if he is he's completely off base and should learn about male and female physiology.

[@NickTheNRG]

Sounds like you don't respect everyone.

[@HibachiOG]

and it sounds like you have no common sense.

[@lennywhite2833]

Ladies don't forget the government is going after trans women but they are also going after womens rights to so who is really winning.

[@Semiotichazey]

Are The Young Turks reevaluating their strategy? Are The Young Turks still young? Or have their caught Boomeritis?

[@EagleHeart19]

The Young Turks were crypto jays who genocided Armenians like Ana.

[@peaceandllov]

Baby boomers and Gen Z are just alike.

[@Semiotichazey]

@@peaceandllov 1. As a member of neither, they look different to me. 2. TYT are not genz by a longshot.

[@eiyukabe]

@@Semiotichazey They seem similar to me. Boomers melt down if I say "fuck", zoomers melt down if I call a man "he" when he thinks he's a woman. Both want to police language where doing so is not necessary. Both have ridiculous senses of prudishness and are hypersensitive to speech they don't like.

[@Semiotichazey]

@@eiyukabe "Both"? How about all generations. I'm sure you have some sacred cows but they seem totally reasonable to you, so you don't think of them. It's called the Overton Window, and it shifts over time.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

Please, I encourage the left to continue doubling down on the trans issue. This issue alone has been the biggest driving force of sane liberals leaving the left, almost all of us former liberals site the trans issue as being a breaking point, it's just too insane for most people to accept.....

[@moonie9000]

@@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead liberals are the ones addicted to the trans issues. Left means left on non-social issues. Liberal pertains to social issues.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

​@@moonie9000 that's not true at all, socialists pretend like they're above the cultural issues while simultaneously being just as involved in it as everyone else. I am not falling for these misdirections, I pay attention to both sides and I see who is talking about these issues regularly.

[@HeSpeaks-u9w]

(BTW, site refers to location; cite is to quote or refer to something.)

[@1ifbyland2ifbysea]

We all should reevaluate how we look at the trans issue and make some major changes

[@scotts1912]

There needs to be a middle ground. You can support equal rights for trans people, but having 20 different genders to choose from when you fill out a job application is just laughably stupid.

[@english3082]

Sarah is Tim McBride in disguise.

[@Alex-qh5wn]

adults are legally allowed to go by any name they want. american freedoms.

[@mikewilliams-jw8jd]

Most people just want to be left alone and have a live and let live attitude if trans people took this position I think they would be much more successful in getting their priorities passed. Ofc there will be hot button issues that are controversial but just make your stance clear and don’t attack people that disagree. If you want to take a person who is undecided or marginally against your position and eternally flip them against you then attack them, look down on them, name call them and try and cancel them and if you do it enough times you will never get what you want.

[@JasRaymond1]

Ana, the reason people are pushing back now is because they are tired of things being forced down them, the activists are way over aggressive , the threats of violence, name calling and a lack of common sense. Your guest it spot on people were more accepting of treating them equal until they started wanting to force people to accept a full intact male into the private spaces of women. Also having some men that just pretend to be trans and taking advantage of the movement surely doesn't help.

[@noooname2568]

There’s only so much people can take (left or right), before people say no more pandering to their ever changing list of demands.

[@Jeff-e4e]

The trans rights issue for the left has become like the pro-life abortion issue for the right where there is a very loud contingent who are completely unreasonable on the issue. They speak as if they are absolutely “right”, to abrasive and uncompromising; and use the issue to talk down to people and be condescending. This is what people don’t like and the source of the current backlash.

[@9395gb]

The trans issue is more akin to Qanon, flat eathers and Alex Jones types. Its pseudoscience not based in reality.

[@blakryptonite1]

being gay is one thing. thinking you’re a gender you’re really not is another thing. 2 completely different concepts.

[@Krishnajha20101]

Yeah. One is preference, other is delusion.

[@veritasestlibertas6037]

@@Krishnajha20101, what’s your “preference”?

[@Cyclonus24]

Might have something to do with the fact that you treat it like such a pressing and important issue. Most of us are wondering why this “issue” gets so much air-time when most people don’t know a trans person. It’s also an issue of privilege. Only privileged and abundant people can afford to worry about “gender affirming care”

[@richardrosales492]

As a moderate thinking conservative, I very much enjoy having a conversation with anyone about anything. I want to learn different viewpoints because I've voted for both sides of the political isle. However, if you think that merely yelling or resorting to name calling is going to win your argument, it actually did the opposite.

[@Dotard_Trump]

Well , name-calling works for the GOP , so why not. 💯 We just elected the king of name-calling this election for president.💯💯💯

[@Bloodshotty]

What is a woman?

[@calgrissom9181]

Late 90s early 2000s Trans people where in a better place than now. I as a strait guy use to hang with my gay cousin and his mix of Lgbtq friends. Everyone seemed so accepting and far less angry then. The activist went insane and tried for the kids and the schools/sports and that's when it became a huge issue for the country.

[@krystalb4336]

100% accurate. They took it too far. We tried to warn them.

[@nonyobussiness3440]

This is true. In the 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s in a lot of ways transgender people were accepted by more of society than gays. Like Pat Robinson the 700 club, many very Christian conservative people had a lot more empathy and acceptance of trans people and stated so publicly. They accepted and understood what gender dysphoria was and how it was not a choice. Plastic surgery was not as good as it is today and even when it got good they acknowledged if someone chose to go through all that and the hormone therapy then they were born the wrong gender and that having to live as opposite gender from what your soul/concousiness is is very difficult.

[@CurtisSmale]

Have you ever considered the possibility that a woman might not want to change or pee in a place that a person with a penis is also? Women are vulnerable to men. We have segregated spaces for a reason. You continue to dismiss this very real thing that is incredibly important and still (despite being less radical) accuse the right wing of being extreme in protecting women as if their actions have ANYTHING to do with hatred or fear.

[@jordyb57]

Trans messaging and demands have been TERRIBLE … and its hurt the ENTIRE LGBT community.

[@moonie9000]

Yeah. It's the same with vegans.

[@nonyabisness6306]

frankly, i don't think bathrooms, changing rooms, sports etc are segregated by gender, they're segregated by sex. which means all discussion about allowing trans-people in is meaningless.

[@commonsense-s6w]

100% this

[@davidowens1424]

Yep. There's a deliberate effort to conflate sex with gender by trans activists. The more confusion they can cause the more space they have to operate. Physical activities are influenced by sex and no amount of gender confusion will change that fact.

[@stanthemafia]

I will not deny biological facts for 1% of the population. It’s also not wise to erase the rights of women athletes.

[@TheKnowledgeMan101]

And will you apply that logic to people within those female athletes? Because certain female athletes have better biological advantages to other female athletes, are you now gonna advocate for more segregation? Do white European women now have to be banned from competing against Asian women because of height differences?

[@EagleHeart19]

Most women supported the trans movement.

[@JamesJames-qh4hc]

@@TheKnowledgeMan101 tard take right here. Can't really expect a logical argument from a man in a dress

[@stanthemafia]

@ in your circle maybe

[@stanthemafia]

@ in your circle maybe

[@whyme007]

Acceptance of Gay/lesbians in society was a different thing. That is about sexuality which doesn't have anything to do with anyone else. Its personal. The problem with the Trans agenda is how it directly affects women.

[@Utubeisevil]

haha again female privilege is issue its always uggo females hating pretty trans girls, men have no issue with trans men

[@lennywhite2833]

Lgb people were still treated different because they were not straight people remember conversion therapy camps to make children straight again because straight parents hated there children or their child for being gay are a lesbian or bi-sexual do you remember that.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

No, the biggest problem is how it affects children.

[@LembeckIsStaying]

And children, that's a big no - no. F up your life at 18 like everyone else, but let kids be kids.

[@AcbLynn132]

They crossed some lines.

[@nickifiresnow1931]

Part of the problem is there are so many of us trans people not grabbing headlines and being obnoxious (maybe as many as 0.5% of the population). But even one clip of someone having a moment mischaracterizes all of us. Most of us just want to lead a normal and already live among you.

[@somchai272]

And there's nothing wrong with that but can you name 1 civil right denied to the trans community? You can't legislate what people think. That would be actual facism.

[@handle-h5m]

"Trans" are just crossdressers

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

What should be more concerning for trans advocates and activists is that this rise in resistance is actually because people have become more informed. The bump of support in the beginning was more out of ignorance. An ignorance of the nuances of the issue like how it can impact minors. An ignorance on how destroying norms established with respect to sex based distinction can cause harm. People were more willing to support this stuff in the beginning because they thought it was more of the same live and let live. They have come to find out that much of this is the exact opposite and that it's more about "let me live my identity and you have to support me in that endeavor no matter how ridiculous my demands may be".

[@Dan-ji4db]

Spot on

[@DrTzeus]

Equity is not the same as forced equality.....the cause ruined itself putting trans people into sports. It went from an awareness movement educating parents to be supportive of gay children coming out at much younger ages (single digit ages instead of as adults) into an aggresive activist front suggesting sex changes for any gay boy. The anti-gay movement fought back with equal counter forces. As an educator I exeperienced this change, going from being known as a "really good explainer" about this rare condition to being accused of being a "groomer" for even mentioning it. Back into the closet for any gay talk. Simple solutions got ignored. We already have a third type of restroom for family and handicap use. Christian families did not want to share the "family" restrooms in public places, and trans people did not like using the "handicap" third option...bitter fight resulted. In sports, the trans athelete should have never bumped bi-nary gender winners from the podium or qualifying cut offs. If they won an event, the officials should have giving them the win, but still had the next person (non-trans) also get first. That would be equity, and a consideration for the drugs the transathelete is on. Transatheletes forced their belief of equality on everyone, when the fact is they are on "performance enhancement drugs." They wanted to get the win and not share it. It was ridiculous. This is not a problem exclusive to this issue. Re-election politics has infected the whole country. Never give an inch and make sure the other side is viewed as totally wrong, with an abundance of "make up new facts and rules" to fit their own biases. There is no comprimise today, total binary thinking (Us vs everyone else is wrong) and there surely will not be the win/win fourth option which takes far too much humility and intellegence to achieve.

[@charleswomack2166]

Well thought out comment!

[@eiyukabe]

It ruined itself putting trans people into sports, telling lesbians they had to be open to date trans women, telling gay men they had to be open to date trans men, telling straight men they had to be open to date trans women, telling women they had to be open to date trans men, getting people like me fired from our jobs for pointing these problems out, doxing people like me, harassing same-sex advocates at conferences, getting us banned on social media for disagreeing with every little thing it demanded, passing laws in the UK to arrest people for misgendering, getting male r*pists put into female prisons where they r*pe again, pushing to allow children access to dangerous and unnecessary body mod treatments, demonizing feminists, unilaterally changing language ("gender is not the same as sex! hur dur!"), and generally being bigoted and shitty to anyone that criticized the cause in any way.

[@eiyukabe]

"It ruined itself putting trans people into sports" Sorry, I worded it this way because that is what you said, but what I mean is getting males into female sports because they identify as trans women. Of course trans people are allowed in sports and always have been, they just belong in the category that matches their actual sex.

[@Pino12081]

Protect woman.

[@PumpdaBrakes-ub8kp]

and children.

[@ADeadlierSnake]

Which one?

[@metalzonemt-2]

From whom? Priests?

[@bird4816]

underrated use of 'woman'

[@SinclairPoppins]

Imane Khelif clocking that woman in the Olympics was sort of America’s turning point, I think.

[@sarapiotrofsky5045]

Kheliff is a woman. Morrocco isnt lgbt friendly and will imprison anyone who is

[@colihon3552]

she volunteered to fight and the Moroccan chick record sucked. like 4 and 9 meaning 5 girls won. so man or woman that's not good. even worse if she was a man smh. use your brain

[@unicorn-glasses]

Which is infuriating because Khelif isn't even trans. It's just people jumping onto clickbait news stories and not listening to real factual information, as usual.

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

@@unicorn-glasses "because Khelif isn't even trans" He says he is so he is.

[@SinclairPoppins]

@@unicorn-glassesShe may have a y chromosome, though. Besides the Russian boxing association disqualifying her, a French journalist recently released her alleged medical records saying she was XY.

[@TonyV585]

It doesn't matter to me if someone's gay, bi, trans, etc. You don't need to tell the whole world and shove it down other people's throats. This political identity crap gets annoying.

[@OpenMindedForever]

Really? So straight heterosexuals don't broadcast their gender and sexuality 24-7-365 as individuals, groups, organizations, institutions, nations -- do we hide it? 🤔

[@williamsmith9026]

​@@OpenMindedForever No. They don't

[@justhair17]

@@OpenMindedForever No, they dont. As a straight men, I never go around saying how good it is to be one nor do I make it my indentity

[@OpenMindedForever]

@@justhair17 ... Sure you do 24-7-365. You just take it for granted until someone discriminates against you.

[@20SilverTeeth]

@@TonyV585 only way to escape this is by letting go on that issue completely … especially the children part…. Just be clear and say I’m not for it and everything will go back to normal and people won’t talk about it.

[@onepartyroule]

The gender identity movement is NOT analogous to the gay rights movement. They are DISTINCTLY and importantly different in consequence. The gay rights movement did not seek to TAKE rights from other groups.

[@geltao-o420]

What right does a trans person take from you by existing?

[@BrandonGolets]

@@geltao-o420 What rights are taken from a trans female who isn't allowed to play in women's sports or go into women's bathrooms? What rights are taken from teachers who aren't allowed to talk to children about their sexuality?

[@SirBullet754]

Most people don't agree with this stuff

[@serenditymuse]

That most people agree or disagree says nothing at all about what is true.

[@peaceandllov]

@@serenditymuse “Gender identity” is bullshit, yes.

[@sabrinalennox2004]

Their strategy of accusing and labeling people as trans haters simply because they don't feel it's fair for men to play against women

[@jonnaking3054]

I think you're a hater if you call trans women MEN

[@marcosolo6491]

On the one hand, anybody with half a brain knows that that is simply the thin edge of the wedge for christian zealots. On the other hand, that need not have been the hill that the trans activists chose to die on. On the other other hand, this is how boundaries get tested and the new normal becomes the new normal, so in the long run, it is fine.

[@rs72098]

Yeah they have deceptive ways of re-labeling things. *Trans-rights:* Men playing in women's sports. *Gender Affirming care:* Surgical Sex changes. *Preferred Pronouns:* Telling other people that they have to participate in your delusions, or they are bigots.

[@amphetamean66X]

As a trans person watching this. I just wish everyone would forget we exist. I just want to use the bathroom, get a job and live my life. I play some sports and I'm not dominating. I'm just another average player. Moderate their hormones and put them in the right weight classes and it should be fine. I'm tired of people making such a big deal about us. Also we're such a tiny population, it's sad that we made such a huge political influence. We barely exist.

[@butvang]

You are not a victim. Grow up

[@keepingitreal5533]

I agree with you. It's too bad people like Ana take a bullhorn to Twitter to announce how "offended" she is by inclusive terms meant to include transgender people and non-binary (birthing person) and serve no other purpose than that. It's amazing how non-progressive Americans are and how disappointing a progressive ally (supposedly Ana) has come to be. I'm a cis woman and I couldn't agree with you more

[@justhair17]

As long as you leave children alone, go into the proper bathroom and do not ruin women's sport, nobody rly cares. Oh, and also, don't expect us to refer to you as something you are not

[@Austin-fc5gs]

@@butvang they are and you are bullying them. loser

[@lawrence208]

as a trans person, how are you defining what it means to be trans? honest question.

[@denisestarr2314]

I'm a post op trans woman . I live my life as a simple female . I do not approve of the radical behavior of the activist, I'm not a political statement .

[@peaceandllov]

You are a man.

[@iolitelight]

There you go, look at your first response. This is why the fight was necessary. That fight was fought by those before you and made your transition and life possible. Don't you care about others who need support? Of course it is totally your choice. But the fight isn't over. They won't stop at sports and bathrooms.

[@wrightcorp.9642]

@@iolitelight you are part of the problem, ignore trolls and don't die on a foolish hill. Trans women should not be competing in Professional female sports, advocating for things like that is what got Trump elected and turned public support against the trans community. You need to focus on issues the public can get behind, I don't think they actually care about bathrooms. If you actually want to help that community don't pick a losing battle like changerooms and sports, its a foolish hill to die on and only sabotages that community more.

[@level9drow856]

@@iolitelight Why do YOU guys get special treatment when others are mean? People call me name all the time. Women get called the B word, I get called a jerk. Some get called the N word, others get called a Yazi. There is and will always be jerks int he world, trolls, they are rude to EVERYONE. Why do trans need special treatment over the rest of us when someone says something mean? They act like they're the first to ever be called names or have to deal with jerks. Get in line.

[@tcdan-c2m]

@@peaceandllov I think that someone who has completely transitioned deserves the right to be recognized as the gender they transitioned to. Think Blaire White.

[@ShellySummers]

I'm transgender and have hated how they lashed out like they have been. I've been kicked out of transgender groups because I'm like let's not be aholes. I've also been my passing privilege means i should shut up.

8:20 I really appreciate that part about how gay rights activism required a lot of patience and persuasion. I'm gay myself and I've noticed for the last ten or more years how many young gay people by age (37) and younger only seemed to want to emphasize the riots and the brick throwing and the demands, and that is just so inaccurate. A lot of work had already been done BEFORE the stonewall riot, and a whole lot of work had to be done AFTER the stonewall riot, and most of that was, indeed, patience and persuasion, getting to know people as an out gay person, and showing people that we really are normal human beings just like everyone else.

[@NoName-ml5yk]

he Stonewall Inn had no liquor license.[43][44] It had no running water behind the bar-dirty glasses were run through tubs of water and immediately reused.[42] There were no fire exits, and the toilets overran consistently.

[@amercanmade2685]

Yes and you are not living in a Delusion. This tie you have with the Delusional wing is bound to do a lot of damage and may reverse some of the gains people like you have made over the last 3 decades. Is it worth it? I am a straight man. It has been years since I heard gay jokes. Well that is changing. Wake up

[@benjaminc.6778]

Comparing gay rights to “trans rights” is completely disingenuous though. All gay people want is protections from discrimination and marriage equality. Guess what, trans people already have that. There are no rights trans people are lacking. What trans people demand though infringes on the rights and spaces of women. Males in women’s prisons, abuse shelters, change rooms with little girls, etc. When has any minority demanded access to other groups’ spaces instead of carving out their own? Trans people need to demand their own spaces. Transmen aren’t taking scholarships and medals from men like transwomen are. They aren’t winning Man of the Year awards or demanding access to men’s prisons. “Trans rights” = male privileges.

[@chrlpolk]

People were generally okay with Trans using the bathrooms they identified with, even Trump was like, leave it alone. But the opposition to biological men in women’s sports got people rethinking that the bathrooms issue is a slippery slope to too far beyond.

[@BeardiusMaximus]

When you look at the rhetoric coming from the right, it's very different to how you're portraying it. They're staunchly anti-trans in every respect, ESPECIALLY bathrooms. And unfortunately, that has an effect. Many (most, maybe?) think of trans folk as perverts and deviants who'll do anything to sneak into ladies bathrooms. It's preposterous, of course. But unfortunately there's far too much life given to this fear-mongering by the easily panicked on their side

[@bird4816]

slippery slope is real. people say it's a fallacy but it's so clearly a real mechanism

[@realworldhuman]

I have empathy for people with gender dysphoria, and I believe people suffering from that condition deserve to be treated with respect. I do not believe that gender is a construct, that someone can be born "in the wrong body" or that human beings are somehow in a different category than the rest of living species in nature who display sexual dimorphism. According to the trans activists, I am evil.

[@RealJackHQ]

Not evil, no. But it would be denial, which we all suffer from at some point in our lives, thus is a real world human phenomenon speaking of your name. There are people who transitioned because their gender dysphoria was that severe where psychologists could not reverse it with the lengthiest of questionnaires, most powerful of sedatives, or getting out of the house/staying away from media. It was that adamantly baked into one’s natural psychology. Now, you could say that geneticists should find a way to prevent gender dysphoria from enveloping future kids and adults. Even then though, just as with kids who have autism or people who were born blind or deaf in the quest to make everyone more perfect in terms of their identity rather than character, how far should we really go?

[@9395gb]

There is no way to tell who has clinically diagnosed gender dysphoria. Self id policies allowed men to just declare themselves women. No therapy or psychiatric diagnosis is required.

[@realworldhuman]

Furthermore, two of my friend's kids, a boy and a girl, got into the trans culture and they are now medical patients for life. They are 19 and 20 years old, the (former) boy is autistic and the (former) girl has experienced childhood sexual abuse. The parents are doing their best to show them love and maintain the relationship, but at the same time conflicted about seeing them going down a path which could cause permanent damage to their physical and mental health. This issue being politicized, under the guise of "compassion", goes against not only the Hippocratic oath but the scientific method and common sense.

[@somchai272]

Can anyone cite 1 civil right denied to the trans community?

[@jonmeans2637]

Nope,

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

Trans advocates like to insinuate that trans rights are merely rights everyone else has. But when you get into the weeds and hear them talk about them they're clearly not. These "rights" they advocating for seem largely predicated on this idea of a belief in identity. And that respect for this identity should be imposed on others. Which is why they probably won't reply to your comment.

[@somchai272]

@Wayne-tu6dz exactly. They seem to want to legislate what people think, which by definition is facism.

[@freegadflyathome]

A CHILDREN'S hospital got a bomb threat for giving gender affirming care to minors, which did not include any surgeries, along with doctors and nurses receiving threats at a high enough rate to matter (even if you don't agree with hormone therapy, this is obviously illegal.) Two females (fab) are being harassed relentlessly by right wing media and Donald Trump. 320 trans people were murdered in 2023 in the UK alone (many go undocumented). Seems like some civil rights violations to me. 🤷‍♀️

[@v1deo.hunter.d317]

@@somchai272 none, at this point they are fighting for playing in women's sports and fking up kids hormones

[@MarthaAnthony]

Maybe Democrats need to extend their empathy to women and girls who have valid concerns, and listen, instead of dismissing anyone who steps out of line as being phobic, mean or politically-motivated. Especially when the person speaking up is a survivor of SA. Dismissing everyone who expresses a thought outside the prescribed party line, and/or bullying them is sending a lot of people to the right or making them politically homeless. And you'd think Democrats would understand the power of women's votes (or absence of) more than anyone.

[@kranahan5267]

It’s not the Dems; it’s theses Far-Left anti-American Progressives

[@rustysparks3149]

How has TYT become purely informational truth? They've become one of the most trustworthy channels on KZbin. The days of screaming and freaking out about everything are gone thank God.

[@devontes5186]

Lol now that they agree with you suddenly now it's truth huh. Clown

[@MrRumcup]

​@@devontes5186 or it's suddenly the truth because it's suddenly the truth, asshat.

[@vladtheimpaler9577]

The LGB should split from the TQ+ side as the two have become completely distinct concepts and their policy goals often conflict.

[@231media3]

I got lost at the example of an 8 year old trans kid. Smmfh. Why is that even a thing? Let kids be kids for gods sake. When they are over 18 they can then make whatever decision they choose to at that point.

[@DanielPeffers-n9f]

child development disagrees and facts don't care about your feelings

[@peaceandllov]

Every new religious movement goes after the children first.

[@unicorn-glasses]

It's a thing because the vast majority of trans people know that they're trans when they're kids (or they know that they're not the gender they were assigned at birth, they just don't know how to say that because they're 6). What's wrong with letting 8yo Timmy wear dresses and go by the name Sally? If they, their parents and their doctor feel that that is right for them, why should anyone else be allowed to dictate what they do?

[@unicorn-glasses]

Most trans people know that they're trans when they're kids. And good parents will listen to their kid and let them live in a way that doesn't make them absolutely miserable every waking moment of the day.

[@_Ali_Baba]

@@unicorn-glasses TRANS IS JUST TRENDY RIGHT NOW !!! BUT NOT FOR LONG !! THEY WILL NEVER FORGIVE WHAT ADULTS DID TO THEM !!

[@keremmorgul367]

I don’t think the problem is simply about tactics, it’s about dogmatism. You cannot educate others unless you are genuinely open to listening to and learning from people you don’t agree with it. As someone who believes that trans people have the same rights as everyone else to realize their full potential and pursue their dreams free from oppression, I also acknowledge that there are legitimate questions about gender affirming care for minors (e.g., how to decide if/when a case justifies serious medical interventions) and participation of trans women in women’s sports (e.g., how do we balance inclusion and fairness?). Asking these questions does not make someone a bigot. In fact, when the left ignores such difficult questions, they provide a fertile ground for the far-right to exploit the anxieties of ordinary people who may otherwise side with the left.

[@TotalWater-d2o]

*"As someone who believes that trans people have the same rights as everyone else "* - Republicans believe that trans people have the same rights as everyone else. - They reject far-left social constructionist claims about gender which would afford transgender people additional rights that normal people do not have eg. Males being able to access female-only spaces.

[@IvoryTower777]

what is sad is if you spend time with trans people IRL its nothing like what you see on twitter or very assumptive things you see online. Like everyone in general, people are doing their own thing and minding their own business and that is what I try to remind people of.

[@wekurtz72]

That's the problem - they're not minding their own business. I play in a band with a gay dude and things are way worse for LGBT now ever since 'gay' became something that goes on a resume. Transmission and modern gays have NO idea how to live and let live.

[@Kickingitoldschoolbaby]

None is saying trans people can’t exist and do thier own thing. It’s the fact that they are pushing it onto children…it’s beyond sick to take children who don’t know any better and hurt them. If they are 18 years old, do whatever you want. Everyone is ok with that

[@aunc3281]

I'm a liberal and think trans people should be who they are, but that does not mean I want a biological male competing in biological women's sports. I don't want to share a bathroom with a person with full male strength and is attracted to women. Have no problem with sharing these spaces with gay women. Also, I don't like being called a cis woman, and this should be respected. I have no problem calling a fully transitioned person a woman. Yet, I am a bigoted, awful person? Voted against my party.

[@crob3094]

So you voted for Trump! Conservatives are oppressing the gay community as a whole across the country. How was voting against your party going to make this particular matter any better for gay rights over the next generation? What are you trying to accomplish by giving conservatives power for this matter? I get where you're coming from on the sports matter even though that's literally 0.2 % of a problem. What's wrong with your issue with the word cis? At the end of the day, it's an adjective. I mean a lot of the words you used in your comment like biological, trans, gay are adjectives.

[@billyzee261]

We have a friend who transitioned into a female, decided to keep the penis though. I see this person as a female because she has the mentality of a woman. The only problem is that when she disagrees with other women, she's real quick to threaten with physical violence (in a stern but sort of kidding way). Women are afraid of her. She'd no doubt beat the crud out of 99%+ of any woman walking the planet. It's sad to see this behavior.

[@billyzee261]

...and she'd likely beat the crud out of 75% of soy boys. She's about 5'11" and has a stronger build than most soy boys, probably weighs about 195lbs, very little body fat.

[@billyzee261]

@@crob3094 nobody is oppressing anyone. The system just pisses us off with a whole month to honor gay people. How about a month to honor non-gays? What about a month to honor hispanics like me? A month to honor whites, and another to honor asians, etc. The insanity never ends, but it's built in by design to stimulate hate. If you can't see it, you've probably been fully boosted.

[@suzannemcvicker617]

​@@billyzee261he has the mentality of a male - quick to threaten violence

[@SpencerFrench-h6l]

Fairness = already there. And the things that are brought up (housing) could impact religious freedom and one can’t override the other. Respect & love= you can’t force that. No law should be made to force respect and love. That’s crazy to think that is something someone is entitled to.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

There is no religious "freedom" protection for a landlord.

[@hangten1904]

Remember when they tried to cancel Dave Chappelle?

[@manwhohasnoname6549]

No

[@SickSkwerl]

You mean the guy that's gotten countless Netflix specials? No, I don't remember when he got "canceled"

[@synchronium24]

@@SickSkwerl Plenty of normal people have lost their jobs because of cowardly idpol leftists. That Chapelle is too powerful to be cancelled does not erase the attempt. Likewise, I doubt you'd say the right doesn't try to cancel liberals or leftists just because some of their attempts fail.

[@kathyanwari6605]

I am a democrat and voted for Kamila, but I am tired of a new pronounce everyday. I have no issue about transgender. They should have the right to have job, health, respect, but I don’t have to learn a new pronounce that dose not make since grammatically everyday and be attack for it.

[@theprogressiveatheist7024]

So, exactly who are these leftists creating new gender pronouns every day. I’ll wait.

[@kranahan5267]

💯

[@RobertWGreaves]

With a degree in human development, I find the notions on both the left and the right are ignorant of the complexity. And when I have attempted to discuss some of these complexities with champions of trans ideology, I find them to be intolerant and bigots.

[@eiyukabe]

McBride isn't being harassed. You're like 20% of the way there Anna. Disappointing -- I thought you had come further.

[@mike-gv2ol]

Cutting the stem off an apple will never make that apple an orange. Same goes for men and women. Most have no problem with how others live their life, just don’t tell us we have to fall in line and demand that we call you something that you are not.

[@jssamp4442]

It is strangely humorous how so many of you struggle so hard To find a fitting analogy. Apples and oranges don't make a good comparison to men and women. Oranges are a completely separate species from apples, while men and women are both Homo Sapiens. Cutting part of an organism doesn't turn it into another species. Maybe you should try something like; "Slicing an apple will never make that apple into a sliced apple." It is sad how quickly the turn away from science and education in red states is affecting the mental acuity of the residents there. Nobody has a problem with how you live your lives either, just stop trying to force your hatred and bigotry on the rest of us.

[@petehaward4517]

​@@jssamp4442Trans Ideology is not science. It's a religious movement, a pernicious cult.

[@RealYRM]

@@jssamp4442 There is no reputable "science" supporting this level of trans indoctrination of kids, this level of BS. If you want to be a furry, be a furry, but the rest of us don't have to pretend you magically became a bear. Christians can't force me to pretend to believe Jesus walked on water. Muslims can't force me to pretend to believe Mohammad was an illiterate profit who magically wrote a book. You can't force me to pretend to believe that people can change gender as easily as they change underwear. And if gender is so ethereal, why go to the problem of using horrible drugs on little kids? They can just be a super beefy guy with a beard, wearing lumberjack gear, and say they're female.

[@mike-gv2ol]

@ I’m not forcing anything, I’m telling you to stop trying to force me to call a man a woman or a woman a man. Your side is the one demanding compliance. You are the ignorant one if you can’t see that.

[@RealYRM]

@@mike-gv2ol 100%. This is NOT about 'live-and-let-live'. The trans activists are going after little kids to indoctrinate them. A confused kid might want to be a puppy one week, a spaceman the next, and a woman the next... but now, if the kid hits that last phase, they try to destroy his life permanently. I think it's sort of like, how smokers try to get other people to smoke, or alcoholics try to get other people to drink. Since it's cool if someone wants to be a drag queen, what on earth is the harm in letting them be a drag queen once they're an adult? That doesn't include magically changing gender... but go ahead and be fabulous for all I care right? But I agree, that's a man in a dress, and we are NOT obligated to pretend we can't tell it's a man in a dress. At this point, there's no threat, no amount of violence or anything, the trans community can threaten us with, that will force us to pretend we can't tell the difference between a man and a woman. Just like, someone in a cult or a religion can't force me to accept some magical claim, the trans community can't force me to pretend to believe that gender is fluid.

[@wkadalie]

For a groups that core message is about tolerance they're extremely intolerant.

[@jojorockzzz1211]

Got to agree with you on that

[@somchai272]

@wkadalie That may very be true but can you cite 1 civil right denied to the trans community? You can't legislate what people think. The would be actual facism.

[@maynardbecker4613]

@@wkadalie word

[@aaronxalapa]

well they went too far... and I'm gay.

[@terrnoisrp8894]

Respect

[@Ray03595]

Many gays feel the same. We don't want to be associated with this lunacy.

[@David-db8mf]

We’re tired of the BS.

[@prestonlanglais8271]

After losing as massively as we have as democrats, this Trans issue is not the hill we should be dying on. We lost the whitehouse, the House & the senate. We need to come up with better policies that would appeal to a much broader electorate.

[@rs72098]

I agree, but it's now heavily entrenched in the Democratic party. The far left won't back out of this until the Democratic party splits.

[@tcdan-c2m]

@@rs72098 I agree, but there's other issues that are gonna end up splitting the party, too.

[@annabellesanchez8011]

Like normalsie

[@9395gb]

​@tcdan-c2m it wont split if rational dems abandon these policies. They are like Qanon. Eventually Republicans abandoned Qanon

[@hybridPeople358]

Sometimes, too much proud is bad for you.

[@sahara-nadine]

💯 across the board. Couldn’t agree more.

[@suzannemcvicker617]

Pride is a sin for a reason.

[@monique991]

Anna’s being annoyingly timid with her positioning here-just spit it out and say what you think with your chest…like you do everything else.

[@yol_n]

What does "hate crime protection" even mean???

[@chrlpolk]

Usually, it’s when an act or crime is part of a larger scale intimidation campaign, like burning crosses on a lawn to make a minority neighbor feel unwelcome and in danger all the time. Or a crime committed with the intention to “send a message” to that community. It’s not hate as in, I hate you for banging my gal.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

@@chrlpolk That didn't answer the question.

[@Batzarn82]

Wait, telling people they are transphobic if they don’t agree with any radical thing that pro trans rights people say didn’t make people more pro trans? I’m shocked.

[@Kickingitoldschoolbaby]

Right it’s not a conversation, it’s name calling if you don’t agree with them. It’s vile and people see it for what it is

[@WaxPaper]

It's smart, they kinda put the cart before the horse with some issues. There's a reason why the gay rights movement didn't start out with gay adoption as a prominent, public issue. Real change takes time, and it's incremental, if you want it to work.

[@Eragarev]

This is all so much bigger than people realize, I think. This is truly a huge choice for how we, as a species, proceed when it comes to humanity.

[@tupacisalive1236]

I have been saying,let’s first respect the spaces of women first,but they don’t care to listen to women,that’s the problem,this is also coming from a very left person

[@lawrence208]

FYI you're on team "i-dont-know-what-a-woman-is" remember? How are you going to convey respect for women when you wont even define what a woman is?

[@heidifreet6149]

Hey I’m not transgender and I still get targeted in bathrooms because as a woman I have short hair and a lesbian. Everyone deserves respect. No matter your race, gender, sexuality and so on.

[@LevBronstein997]

Sorry but not sorry. Racists and transphobes deserve no respect.

[@HeSpeaks-u9w]

"Targeted" how? Are you using the restroom consistent with your sex?

[@JamesJames-qh4hc]

@@heidifreet6149 "then everyone clapped"

[@mewimi]

Yeah and people like Ana push the bigoted narrative that puts your life at danger also. Shame on these grifters :/

[@Bloodshotty]

Woman is transphobic. You are a birther.

[@fuerstmetternich1997]

Any time I hear the word "activist" my stomach turns...

[@play030]

So what do we call you? Fence sitter?

[@level9drow856]

@@play030 Sane.

[@commandershepard9920]

@@level9drow856 So being an activist for literally any cause makes you insane? Uh.. that's one take I guess.

[@op-qn4kb]

​​@@commandershepard9920 the word activist has been conditioned negatively

[@straightwhitemale966]

people are coming to their senses again.

[@TotalWater-d2o]

Gender is dependent on biological-sex such that the terms 'man' and 'woman' refer to 'adult human males' and 'adult human females' respectively. The people who claim otherwise are consistently unable to provide a cogent and logically consistent definition of gender terms like 'woman'. If you dont have a cogent and logically consistent definition of the word 'woman' then you have no business discussing womens issues or claiming individuals are women.

[@justincapable]

Citation please. NIH. Sex is a multidimensional biological construct based on anatomy, physiology, genetics, and hormones. Gender can be broadly defined as a multidimensional construct that encompasses gender identity and expression, as well as social and cultural expectations about status, characteristics, and behavior as they are associated with certain sex traits.

[@thebirdclan]

They don't want a definition because it doesn't serve them. Whatever you to find a woman as they can't live up to that and they don't want that. They don't want their own category, they don't want their own locker room or spaces, they want to dictate the situation like Trump does

[@TotalWater-d2o]

​@@justincapable *"Citation please. "* - Sure, what would you like a citation for? *"Gender can be broadly defined as..."* - You've attempted to define the word 'gender', you were asked to define the gender term 'woman'. *"a multidimensional construct that encompasses gender identity and expression..."* - if you want to use the term 'gender identity' in your definition of 'gender' then you'll need to define that too HINT: If these word definitions reference eachother then you've committed a circular reasoning fallacy. *"as well as social and cultural expectations about status, characteristics, and behavior as they are associated with certain sex traits."* - You've referenced 'social and cultural expectations, characteristics, and behaviours' that are 'associated with sex traits', but have failed to acknowledge that many of these are infact CAUSALLY linked to biological-sex. - The fact ANY of them are causally linked to biological-sex completely undermines the claim that 'gender is a social construct that isnt dependent on biological-sex'. - Masculinity (and machismo) for instance is associated with greater aggression, competitiveness and higher sex drive, all of which are known male biological-predispositions.

[@peaceandllov]

Practically everyone who calls gender a social construct has no idea what that actually means.

[@realworldhuman]

@@justincapable Gender studies institutional capture doublespeak

[@solace4299]

Some of the problems surrounding this issue could be alleviated if people on all would discipline themselves to be precise with their language. Female and woman, male and man are not interchangeable terms. "Biological male" and "Biological female" are redundant descriptors. When either side of the issue uses the terms for sex and gender ambiguously or synonymously, it is impossible to have any kind of understanding. A man can be pregnant if he is transgender. A male cannot. If you only want females involved in women's sports, call them "female sports" or cisgender sports.

[@solace4299]

*people on all sides

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

"Female and woman, male and man are not interchangeable term" "When either side of the issue uses the terms for sex and gender ambiguously or synonymously" Yet in reality the overwhelming majority of the worlds English speaking population regards the term gender to be merely a synonym for sex. A term that gained popular use because it could be employed without evoking the act of sexual intercourse. Under this framework of understanding those same practitioners of the English language regard gendered terminology as being sex specific. The only one's who believe otherwise are adherents of the modern gender faith. People who give credence to this belief of gender as some alleged identity.

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

"Biological male" and "Biological female" are redundant descriptors" agreed. But through the shared understanding of which the majority of English speakers hold "biological man" and "biological woman" would also be redundant descriptors. Because to them there is no such thing as a non biological man or non biological woman as being either is intrinsic to one's biological sex.

[@1558bess]

Mental gymnastics

[@rickdockery9620]

Men are men women are women. That’s precise enough

[@Pen1221]

the world is healing

[@chattywalrus8485]

Just like the green movement, trashing good, valid points with aggresive, destructive means.

[@briancampbell5534]

Did Ana do the I have a Black friend schtick?

[@mewimi]

Yup. She is a bigot.

[@PistolPackinHermaphrodite]

Is it time to shun the cult queen yet?

[@NairuOnLife]

I can forgive it since it was used to illustrate an example of the non-extreme side of the trans community and their thoughts of this topic. Anecdote, or rather an Anacdote? =)

[@caseylooong]

She did, indeed. I hope she reads these comments and sees the attitudes and opinions of the side she is taking a stance on. Why Ana and Cenk can't see that their new and revised stance on trans rights goes against every ethical and moral principle they stand upon is beyond me. This is the rare topic I am shocked by their lack of objectivity on. I really do think they are typically fair. I hope they self correct with more education and feedback from their staff and listeners.

[@PistolPackinHermaphrodite]

@caseylooong Hate to break it to you, but conservatism is now the counterculture. Don't worry, we'll show you how it's done.

[@normanicole4714]

Its the relentless dehumanizing and misrepresentation across social media. Its nothing trans people are donig. This is like blaming jewish people in 1930s germany.

[@peaceandllov]

The nazis psychologically tortured and mutilated gay people and the mentally ill. And that’s exactly what “trans activists” are doing today.

[@geltao-o420]

@@peaceandllov Trans people are real. The way you operate as a human being and your thoughts and feelings happen in your brain, not your junk. Being more feminine or masculine than people would intuite by looking at you isnt craziness or gayness. Expressing that unintuitive level of masculinity or femininity isnt torture, its honesty. Its unusual since trans people are about 1% of the population, but that doesent make it not real.

[@Alison2436]

the fact u think that not being able to bully the majority males u like news in national Germany shows why everyone is against the trans TREND. it was never about rights but a teenage trend thst thankfully is over now. u aren't a Jewish u aren't a victim. your a bully and a BAD PERSON and no amount of mutilation will fix your evil heart

[@geltao-o420]

@@Alison2436 Trans people want to be masculine or femanine, not bullies. Trans people have been heavily bullied for this and have had to seek out the protection of the law for it. They are not bullying the majority by doing this, only seeking to exist quietly and peacefully. Wanting to be masculine or feminine does not make someone a bad person. It may seem drastic when someone turns to surgery to acheive this, but it is their right to be comfortable in their own body.

[@Canal13Canal13-p5f]

Exactly! But TYT loves Ben Shapiro who loves to desumanize trans people. So They not gonna say anything about their friends

[@rickmorty5215]

You see the problems with the ideology, yet you keep trying to normalize this stuff. You can't have it both ways, TYT.

[@CineGisticMedia]

A lot of methods can build resentment towards the confrontational issues, especially those that go viral. Resentment...isn't easy to reverse.

[@xx133]

Yeah, including billions of dollars spent in ads and prop…

[@MrMaxwellTalks]

The man issue is that being a transexual and "identifying as transgender" are 2 different things. Transexuals know this. Once gender became a "construct" (ironically without understanding that whole concept's origin), it became an "identity", which of course is tied to woke politica. The mainstream left media saw this as the next movement after 2015, then the gay rights groups changed their focus once marriage equality between adults was law. Omce the adults were taken care of, the next money grab was convincing left mainstream media that kids were being harrassed for what they were convinced was real because it exploded on social media. The T and Q (which is just anothe marketing term that changed from "questioning" their sexuality to an imberella "queer" for some reason) are completely separate from the LGB. Let's hold everyone accountable and get these young people the help they need.

[@SinclairPoppins]

The bell curve is pseudo science? Lol, no it’s not.

[@sandipaaaaaa]

A man may have the right to wear lipstick and a skirt if that's what float his boats but that doesn't give him the right to all of a sudden come into women and girls bathroom. This insanity has to end.

[@990mustang]

Facts

[@jeffsteyn7174]

Exactly. Look, it must suck to be someone who's confused about who they are. But the bathroom thing is crazy. Even more so the sport thing. If you want, have a 3rd option transgender sport and bathrooms.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

Transgender and cross-dressing aren't the same thing.

[@suzannemcvicker617]

​@@berniethekiwidragon4382we don't care. It's men.

[@brentharrington9235]

@@berniethekiwidragon4382 actually it is exactly the same thing.

[@Russellviews]

I noticed this Thanksgiving that my extended family were far less politically correct with their verbiage in regard to our trans world friends.