Things Have Gone WAY Too Far!

[@grahambonner508]

If i were the driver i would have stayed further back to emphasize my intention not to pass. If i were the cyclist i would have thought nothing of this.

[@kenbrown2808]

if I were the driver I would have used my indicator. edit: someone else pointed out they did. I dust didn't take notice of it. so yeah, driver did all they could to make it a non event

[@TheMirrorGuy]

Totally agree 👍

[@scaryfakevirus]

The driver was fine.

[@StevieOnHisBike]

@@scaryfakevirus No, they were too close. Another 3 or 4 metres would have been fine. Remember, the cyclist has no idea what the driver's intention is. When drivers get this close it really unnerving.

[@scaryfakevirus]

@@StevieOnHisBike Well Stevie, the vehicle wasn't directly behind the cyclist and because he didn't know what the driver's intention was or it was unneverving for the poor darling, that doesn't constitute an offence. When another vehicle comes up behind me when I am stopped at lights, I don't know if he's going to crash into the back of me either. That's why the police couldn't se any issue, because there was no issue. If he is so nervy then maybe he shouldn't be on the road. And neither should you by the sounds of it.

[@Boingyuk]

I’m a regular cycle commuter and usually the first to stand up for the cyclist in situations with cars, but this is pretty ridiculous. So to all you motorists out there, please don’t tar us all with the same brush

[@StevieOnHisBike]

I also cycle most days and don't feel this warranted reporting to the police. But... the car did get too close and, as a fellow cyclist, you will understand how scary this can be. They had no idea what driver was about to do. Ashley should have used this to try to educate drivers that they need to stay back as cyclists can feel really vulnerable (that's what he's all about right - education???) But no, he went all Daily Mail and ridiculed the cyclist. Pretty poor from AN. If this is the best he can do then he should stick to driving.

[@Boingyuk]

@@StevieOnHisBike I agree the car is uncomfortably close, but not worthy of a police report in this case I think. Also agree this looks like it has been posted as a click baity way of stirring the pot, it’s not the slightest bit educational….which is disappointing by AN, I’d hoped he was above that.

[@scaryfakevirus]

@@StevieOnHisBike Not you again!

[@StevieOnHisBike]

@@scaryfakevirus 😛

[@petergibson7287]

There is no us. There’s not one single car driver who feels any comraderie with other car drivers, and they don’t feel any responsibility or shame about the behaviour of other car drivers. It’s the same with bicycle riders.

[@tobystephenson7625]

He must be a relative of Jeremy Vine !!

[@alanstebbings2886]

Or Mikey

[@CycolacFan]

I thought that but any Jeremy would have turned back, undertaken the car then thrown himself over the bonnet before starting an argument 😂

[@kenbrown2808]

@@CycolacFan you're not wrong.

[@gordon861]

If it had been Vine he would have swerved right and stopped claiming he'd been knocked off.

[@dalemr2]

This is the perfect example of buying a camera to try and cause issues.

[@metromadness2016]

The Driver was closer then I like but nothing I would make a big deal about.

[@DemiGod..]

@@metromadness2016 Something you have to live with . In the country for example, can be doing 40+ down a hill, traffic including busses will leave a 1 second following distance. If you hit a bump and went down, no way a buss could stop in time as they would hit you before they realised what happened due to reaction time.

[@DavidSmith-fs5qj]

Sounds like this guy would like a Minority Report society.

[@mattwardman]

@@DemiGod.. A not uncommon cause of KSIs.

[@Noctover]

Slow content day, he spent all morning getting all his cameras ready to be "offended" by some "big bad motorist treating him like a second hand road citizen" and got nothing, so this nothing burger had to do. This is exactly the kind of person who says "actualllyyyy" every time someone says something at a party.

[@goodyeoman4534]

He's upset that lockdown is over and needs a new avenue for his snitching addiction.

[@Jack-ht2gr]

Actually

[@insoft_uk]

Probably someone that spends money on cameras looking for the slightest of things 🤦‍♂️ I just bought a camera for my bike to examine myself, I’m more concerned about what did I miss how to prevent it from happening again in the future . Up to now they had only been one close pass tho with the help of the footage I now know exactly how to make sure it doesn’t happen again. This is how I see cameras should be used for

[@Mr.1.i]

and reports anybody for alarm and distress for anybody angry at him prancing about

[@wibbley1]

@Noctover Not even Jeremy Vine could have turned this clip into a conflict.

[@G4WYZ]

When I first saw the video, I checked on the date thought 1st April was long gone.

[@smilerbob]

The car was indicating at 0:07 and turned at 0:17, yet worried about the crossroads? How good were the shoulder checks if they didn’t know the driver was turning? Slowing down would’ve made the driver slow more but not ram the viewer as they were positioned away from them. They even appeared to be leaving pothole space should it be needed The driver might have been closer than I would have been but at no point did I think they were going to pass at any point during that clip

[@stevenrix7024]

How long would you need to look back over your shoulder (I.e. not forward, where you are going) to catch indicator lights in daylight like that? If just glancing over your shoulder very briefly, the flashing could easily have been missed.

[@andrewnorris5415]

@@stevenrix7024 Yeah generally you just want to shoulder check only for as long as needed. As need attention on the road ahead. You are not looking specifically for indicators, but for cars. Trying to check if one behind you may have an indicator on is too much of a distraction from all you need to do.

[@kenbrown2808]

ah, I missed the indicator in the video. and for steven, indicators tend to run on a one second cycle. so a little over a second should be sufficient to see an indicator.

[@TheMirrorGuy]

​@stevenrix7024 This is why I use a mirror, so easy to see what is happening behind. Incidentally though the indicator could have been for overtaking the cyclist not turning. That said, drivers who indicate to pass cyclists are generally safer at overtaking.

[@smilerbob]

When I cycled I was always fully aware of signals from those behind and it doesn’t take long to see an indicator on a car. The timing is set so they are visible for all. Is a shoulder check timing any different to looking in a car mirror? Not for me they aren’t

[@1988dgs]

That cyclist is paranoid and needs to be nowhere near other people

[@FattyOn2Wheels]

he's realistic the vast majority are too close and this car was too close

[@WhiskyMechanic]

They probably have a job in human resources.

[@fritzdrybeam]

He, and many others, have been close passed and nearly killed. Now, off you pop, no content troll.

[@Bikey_McBeardface]

A bit of paranoia is what keeps cyclists on 2 wheels rather than under 4, his feelings of nervousness the motorists approach and proximity caused are totally justified, motorists will tailgate, pass at pinch points (and solid white lines, brows of hills, blind corners, narrow country lanes............) and he's likely had it happen before. What you can't justify is trying to blame a motorist for making you feel that way when they end up doing the right thing after all.

[@fritzdrybeam]

@@Bikey_McBeardface Well said.

[@ryanmitcham5522]

Personally as the car driver I likely wouldn't have got that close to the cyclist, but it's nowhere near significant enough to report, much less expect action, and certainly not to then appeal against the decision not to take action. While is cammer is eye rollingly deluded, they probably did feel somewhat intimidated and nervous about the vehicle and what they are going to do. But they need to learn where the appropriate theshold is, namely where somebody actually puts them in danger, not simply makes them a bit nervous that they might put them in danger. It's frustrating because in Greater Manchester I can't get the police to do anything about even high level intentionally dangerous and selfish driving and I really fear people like this cammer are just making it even harder for those of us attempting to report actual deliberately selfish driving. For context in 2 years I only tried to report a total of 3 incidents - because I don't report run of the mill mistakes and even bad driving - only the really high level stuff where it's clear it's intentionally selfish driving and not simply a mistake. But them GMP either decline to do anything or simply don't reply so I don't bother any more. Which is probably what they want. No wonder our roads are such a selfish dangerous mess. Which they like to pretend they can fix with another batch of cameras.

[@Pystro]

Would the car have pulled up that close, if the cammer was in a car rather than on a bike? _Hard to say, with an unknown amount of camera distortion. A good driver definitely wouldn't; if you randomly picked an average driver of the street, yes there's a chance they'd do the same to a car._ Does the cyclist have a good reason to feel in danger? _Possibly, depends on the camera distortion._ Is that something the police should follow up on? _I don't think so._ You know, just give them a "hold back" hand signal and move into primary the next time something like this worries you.

[@andrewnorris5415]

To be fair he would have heard the car getting close as he approached the narrow gap and got a bit of a fright thinking it may be trying to squeeze through. It was a reaction to being scared. The police decision was correct but ideally (in my view) the driver could have waited just an extra 2 seconds to not get as close before turning. Sure he closed the gap slowly enough, but to try to save himself (or herself) time the driver got as close as possible just before turning off. Coming closer to the cyclist right up to turning. We need to put ourselves in the position of the cyclist? How many of us cyclists regularly pass these close gaps and fear someone is about to try to squeeze through? I do. We are aware from the sound just how close cars are getting. Def not deserving of prosecution I agree there. But for advanced polite driving - just wait another 2 second before turning off?

[@StevieOnHisBike]

Absolutely and that's what this video, from a person (Ashley Neil) who claims to be about education, should have been about. It's looking like he's more about "the views" 🤨

[@simonharris4873]

Sorry, but the rules for driving around more "vulnerable" road users are hard enough as it is, with them being able to basically do whatever they like then claiming it wasn't their fault because they were vulnerable. I do not see any benefit in asking drivers to modify their behaviour to prevent riders from being scared of their own shadow.

[@simonharris4873]

@@StevieOnHisBike Your user name explains the obvious bias in your post. If situations like this scare you, stay on a bike path.

[@StevieOnHisBike]

@@simonharris4873 Now what makes you think that I, personally, found *this* situation scary? Bias? Based on what I've written explain. I you actually read what I wrote then you'd realise that my main criticism with this video is the way AN dealt with it.

[@StevieOnHisBike]

@@simonharris4873 If you find the rules a challenge then... stay off the road. "...them being able to basically do whatever they like..." bollocks "whataboutism" argument.

[@Pystro]

Here's an idea about situation of this general kind (footage reported to the police, police refuses to take action): Someone could create a database where people can submit such "no further action" incidents. And then if the blamed car actually does get into an accident,(*) there would be actual reason to point the finger at the police (assuming the footage actually shows reckless behavior upon inspection, and isn't just a case of "could have been a bit more considerate"). (*) Assuming the laws in your jurisdiction allows private citizens to get their hands on crash reports and the contained license plate information.

[@davehollingworth5537]

Delusional indeed. And what a sad waste of police time, Ashley’s time, my time and now poor you reading this! 😊

[@fatchris101]

From a avid cyclist - if your viewers goal was to widen the gap between motorists and cyclists respecting one another and allowing both to use the public road safely they most certainly achieved that.

[@RM-qv9rb]

Have you watched the video? or are you the deluded cyclist from the video?

[@fatchris101]

@@RM-qv9rb what you mean

[@draconicdusk5911]

@@RM-qv9rb I think you may have misunderstood. fatchris means that if the cyclist's intent was to sow discourse between cyclisters and motorists, then they're doingjust that.

[@spm36]

​@RM-qv9rb 😂you've just made yourself look a fool...you clearly didn't understand what he was stating..try harder

[@mda5003]

He was obviously hoping for a close pass just so he could do a 'Jeremy Vine' shout and got annoyed when it didn't happen!

[@Bikey_McBeardface]

Nah' any regular cyclist would know exactly where to go if they wanted to legitimately report a few motorists. I could ride to a road 5 mins from my house where not only would I get close passed multiple times in a few short minutes, they would do it over double solid white lines on a blind bend (which pretty much guarantees points, not just a warning letter).

[@thecrispymaster]

Goes beyond deluded, if they live their life under this level of fear over nothing they need actual psychiatric help (said as someone who actually HAS lived with that in my younger years). My guess though is that they don't and just get off on playing self designated road police. Another small petty person wanting to feel powerful.

[@andyedwards7800]

Car was far too close to the cyclist. If 1.5m is good for overtaking why not elsewhere?

[@kenbrown2808]

I think with the lens on the camera, if one recreated that, we would find the car was never closer than 2 meters, with the possibility of the sloppy weave left before turning right getting within that.

[@MocSomething]

I suspect the DC cyclist has had bad experiences with drivers before. The red car didn't do anything particularly egregious, but was probably just close enough that it triggered them. I remember when I used to cycle, I would get a bit tense at pinch points when cars were catching from behind, so perhaps there is a bit of anxiety in this.

[@ChrisCoxCycling]

I think you've nailed it. But to waste the police's time reporting that is just silly.

[@Jowley]

First. Red car was chill as. I would love more driving like that. Then again, i am finding as time goes on this year, drivers are keeping more clear of me. Its really cool

[@ericchild3363]

Spot on. As a driver/cyclist, I agree totally with your assessment. Too many cyclists are becoming professional victims.

[@007floppyboy]

Looks like Tailgating to me, makes the rider very nervous when this happens, also makes drivers very nervous. Tailgating is the action of a driver driving behind another vehicle while not leaving sufficient distance to stop without causing a collision if the vehicle in front stops suddenly. A typical example of tailgating. The first car is being followed very closely by another. Tailgating is illegal and can result in a careless driving charge. Drivers found guilty of tailgating could be hit with a £100 fine and penalty points on their driving licence. In more serious cases, penalties can range from a driving ban to a prison sentence.

[@stevecole9674]

The car in this video wasn't directly behind the bike, I'm not sure how that makes your explanation of tailgating relevant here.

[@007floppyboy]

@@stevecole9674 Doesn't matter, tailgating is 'too close'.

[@stevecole9674]

What doesn't matter? You defined tailgating, but it didn't match what happened in the video

[@007floppyboy]

@@stevecole9674 being directly behind doesnt matter, as a driver you are supposed to leave 1.5m gap between the car and the cyclist, do you know why? Its so if the cyclist falls off, has to move suddenly, or some other reason, the car would have been in direct contact with the cyclist. Therefore the driver was too close to take avoiding action, therefore the driver was tailgating.

[@stevecole9674]

​@@007floppyboyit's almost like we watched two different videos, I guess we just form opinions based on footage from a camera that clearly distorts things one way or the other. I think the car was never closer than 2 metres behind the bike and was probably going around 15 mph at that time, I think the positioning was fine, I think if the cyclist had actually done the shoulder checks he would have seen the indicators and I think if this worried him as much as he said we would have seen even a slight instinctive change in his riding, like position or speed.

[@willy5342952349855]

That’s one of the worst ‘incidents’ I’ve ever seen and reporting it to the police is the height of insanity

[@idavidmcclune]

Bit harsh calling him deluded. We really need to stop personal attacks on social media. They are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are. I'm glad the police took no action but I can understand why the cyclist thought that the driver got needlessly close. I'm surprised the driver did get so close given how cautious they had been otherwise. Chalk this one up as a learning experience for all parties: the driver, the cyclist and yourself.

[@chrisl1797]

@@idavidmcclune I have emailed Ashley directly about him poking fun at people in his videos. Ashley is better than this.

[@christopherhammond7258]

Not harsh at all its not the rest of the worlds fault that you and this viewer are paranoid that the everyone else is out to get ya

[@idavidmcclune]

@@christopherhammond7258 Just to clarify, I am not on the side of the cyclist and I am certainly not of the opinion that everyone is out to get me. I know that most people have far more important things to be doing than targeting me specifically. I'm just keen to have open, frank and respectful discourse where we can all learn from other people's views and opinions expressed sensibly and with reasoned arguments. If I wasn't like that, I would simply reply by calling you a 4 letter derogatory name of one sort or another. Which doesn't get us anywhere now, does it?

[@idavidmcclune]

@@chrisl1797 I hope he changes tone in the future as he does make a lot of good points and does not need to lose the high ground he works hard to achieve.

[@metromadness2016]

​ He does have his own He does have his own opinion and this one I don't agree 100% on.

[@philipparris4287]

Sad,if you use the road with this attitude God knows how they see life

[@iansumo1]

the car driver did not put the cyclist at risk at any time during that video clip.

[@richardgiles2484]

Somebody once told me the camera doesn't lie. Iv lost count of the number of times it has. 😢😢

[@chrisnielsen9885]

That’s the biggest myth isn’t it! You can make the camera say anything you want

[@JakobusVdL]

The camera told the truth, the person who'se camera it was, not so much......

[@akj2387]

There definitely wasn't a 1.5m distance between the car and the cyclist. Remember it's not just 1.5m when overtaking, it's 1.5m at all times, including when you're behind them. I'm surprised the police didn't do anything. (1:41) is way too close. Would the car driver get that close if it was a lorry there in the place of the bike? People are saying that the car wasn't directly behind the cyclist and so they weren't in danger. You're supposed to treat a bike like a car and give it a whole lane. Doesn't matter if he is at side of the lane, still shouldn't be there. Also shouldn't they be keeping a 2 second gap?

[@chrisl1797]

You could fit a large diningroom table on the floor between them at 1:41

[@petecurran3995]

As if the police don't have enough to do. This doesn't help the cyclists' case.....

[@guessundheit6494]

Typical gas sniffer mentality, "it didn't rvn you over, WHY are you complaining!!?!?" If a gas sniffer tailgated a car that closely, the whining would never end.

[@danieltesfaye8517]

I was thinking the same thing. It wasn’t that bad, but the driver wasn’t perfect at all though. I wouldn’t like a car being that close behind me while on my bike at that speed for no reason just to turn right. How is the red car gaining on the cyclist when they are turning right?

[@jeffknight904]

As an old fashioned person of advanced years who is not up with all the hip and street jargon of the younger generation, I was wondering if you could answer this question: Is 'gas sniffer' a derogatory, indifferent or affectionate term for 'cyclist'?

[@danieltesfaye8517]

@@jeffknight904 No, a gas sniffer is a derogatory term for a motorist but the point is if a car was that close to a another car people will be complaining and say it is dangerous. People who aren’t cyclists don’t really understand certain things and are very ignorant to issues cyclists face and just blame them if anything goes wrong. A lot of motorists are very selfish and very sensitive compared to cyclists when they have road rage or do dangerous manoeuvres to get in front.

[@mikeallan7740]

Using slurs against ordinary people does nothing but make you look bad, self righteous arrogance isn't going to help you if you end up under the wheels of a "gas sniffer's" car because you refused to use common sense on the roads and blame everyone else for your poor behaviour.

[@jeffknight904]

@@danieltesfaye8517 thanks for your clarification. I guess my mistake was to think too logically about the literal meaning of the name. It seemed logical to me that a gas sniffer is a cyclist because they're the person who's breathing in the exhaust of the vehicle in front of them.

[@henryginn7490]

I wouldn't have gone anywhere near as far as reporting this to the police, but as a less confident cyclist it would make me feel uncomfortable having that proximity. If you were in a car and someone followed you that closely, you would be uncomfortable as well, I'm not sure why that changes when you become less vulnerable on a bike. Whenever I go on my bike I pretty much avoid roads entirely because of situations like this (takes quite a bit of planning).

[@adz124ps]

Police in his thumbnail again! You gotta get them clicks and likes!

[@radishpea6615]

I do think the car seemed to be to close to the cammer.

[@Hdtjdjbszh]

I honestly think that the car SHOULD have waited until after the island. I understand how it could have been a scary situation. Nothing happened here, but sometime the perception of fear is enough to make you feel unsafe on the road.

[@Buckets41369]

It also diverts attention to the threat at the rear from any other road users emerging from the junction. Even though it was a technically, as Ashley likes to call, a “non-event” it is still tailgating and increasing danger for the vulnerable cyclist.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@Hdtjdjbszh waited for what? To not overtake?

[@Hdtjdjbszh]

@@kenbrown2808 no, to approach. I don't think the driver did anything wrong, but they could have done something better

[@Hdtjdjbszh]

@@TPH250290 that's like arguing women should stay at home because they are scared of men. Ultimately it's the responsibility of the people with the potential to cause harm to show they are safe,

[@kenbrown2808]

@Hdtjdjbszh sorry, but it is not my job to babysit somebody else.

[@johntreherne4611]

It is annoying as someone who cycles and drives that a cyclist would put a video out like this it provides those who have an agenda against cyclists with ammunition to suggest cyclists are over sensitive. Try it where I live where drivers routinely tailgate cyclists or drive on the wrong side of the road or run junctions just in front of you. If poster thinks this is bad driving it shows are lucky they are to live in a safe area.

[@NickAskew]

This is the problem with some road users. They seem to think the road is only for them and that anyone else is out to get them. The red car clearly doesn't do anything wrong but my guess is that the cyclist is just determined to make use of their new camera. There are plenty of times that real incidents occur and the police need to wade through footage of those incidents, not this stuff.

[@stevestrange965]

To see the other side, if the cyclist was driving a car and the driver behind got that close (ie tailgating) would that have been acceptable? The cyclist is a more vulnerable road user so that makes it even less acceptable. Would I have reported it? Probably not - plenty of dodgier close passes to prioritise unfortunately. Avon & Somerset are good at sending warning letters (a bit too good unfortunately...), and the driver would probably have received one for this.

[@wibbley1]

The car slowed right down, as it was turning right. It was not tail-gating. Unbelievable (well actually it is not) that people are trying to defend this bike rider.

[@stevestrange965]

@@wibbley1 So you're saying if they drove up that close to your car you wouldn't go gammon-red? Methinks not.

[@wibbley1]

@@stevestrange965 The car was indicating to turn right. At no time was the car directly behind the bike. It did not drive up behind the bike, but kept wide of it. This bike rider needs to check his lycra is not too tight and restricting his testicle growth.

[@KennethSwaby-j9d]

I agree fully with you, Ashley. 👍👍

[@nicholaswestlake6804]

Is there some camera perspective that makes the car look much closer or is that way less than a 2 seconds gap?

[@grahambonner508]

It clearly is quite a wide angled lens which does distort perception of distance. Ashley did a video recently where he used a more "human eye" image for the rear facing camera, I found the difference quite surprising.

[@robg521]

I am all for people being held to account but this exactly why I disagree with police accepting camera footage from the public. Because most of the time it is a waste of their time. Some people need to cause trouble for others in order to validate themselves, this is a typical example.

[@howitsdone5581]

A large percentage of footage does contain evidence of an offence, clips like this are almost certainly in the minority

[@markj.a351]

Think of all the real offences that would go unpunished without public footage. Only people I can imagine not wanting police to accept public footage are dangerous road users who don't want to be caught.

[@robg521]

@@markj.a351 The issue I have is that it is appalling when the people need to do the police’s job for them. outside my house one of my neighbours caught a young thug [17 years old … one of the other neighbours later recognised him] steeling his moped, when he ran out to stop him about 8 of the thug’s friend appeared [they turned out the be the local drug dealers that were trying to move into the area] and threatened the neighbour so to let the thug go, when I walked outside to see what the commotion was there was already about 20 other neighbours confronting the little thug’s gang. When more neighbours came out The gang ran off leaving the little thug behind with us, The were 4 separate people on the phone to the police reporting that violence was in progress and that it was serious. [The thug was trying to fight viciously and it took 5 men to hold him down and restrain him on the floor] It took 1&1/2 hrs for the cops to turn up, when they did we let go of the little thug so the police can take control and at the 1st opportunity the thug ran off [throwing a bag of drugs away as he legged it] ….. the police didn’t bother to give chase. What they did do was to ask all the neighbours did anyone take a picture of the little thug ? I respect and abide by the law but it grinds deep when we have to do the police’s job for them because that can’t do it themselves.

[@thomaselliot2257]

It may have looked that the car was quite close to the rear, though difficult to judge from the camera angle, I would understand, before hind sight, the anxiety what the driver's intention was, but then, in hindsight, why go to all that bother to report. On saying that, you did sound a little harsh about the biker's delusion. On saying that, I would agree with your frustration about there are too many cyclists, including two who we know about, who make it a livelihood to report and act the victim.

[@greggreasley]

Whist the person in the video is making a meal of it, it does highlight a bigger problem.

[@wibbley1]

It highlights a bigger problem. One of arrogance and entitlement which is constantly fed into the cyclists mentality. A bike will never slow or give way, or refuse to use a bit of give & take on the road. They want 1.5 metres space, but never give similar to other road users, including pedestrians. It is about time we had new legislation. Mandatory training for all cyclists. This may help stem the death rate we see. Mandatory protective clothing (motorbikes have to wear helmets & car occupants, seatbelts) I don't know why bikes think they are so special that they don't need any regulation. And registration markings. Yep, easy to put on a hi-viz jacket, which of course should be mandatory.

[@wibbley1]

@@user-to8un3gl6p I use my sweeping eyes to observe the lawless bike riders on the roads and pavements of London. In general, the bike riders are an arrogant lawless bunch, showing little or no roadcraft, expect everything their way, but will never give anything back. I will see a vehicle trying to manoeuvre into or out of a space. Other traffic will stop, to allow the vehicle safe space. I have never seen one bike ever do likewise, they will just blast round the vehicle without thought or consideration. An everyday occurrence. Somebody was whinging about a bike rider being knee-capped in another group. Well if the bike had not been speeding too fast for the conditions & too close to the cars, it would not have happened. As Ashly says as risk increases (filtering between lanes for example) slow down. A lesson missed on cyclists.

[@wibbley1]

@@user-to8un3gl6p Yep, typical bike rider deflecting comment. Rather than reviewing this bike riders pityful video, clearly showing nothing happened. Bike riders time would be better served policing and educating themselves, rather than always pointing the blame at others.

[@wibbley1]

@@user-to8un3gl6p Tailgating? The cars closing speed was slow, they at all times remained wide of the cyclist and were indicating (something a bike rider never does) right. I do not see any tailgating, just an arrogant entitled bike rider trying to make trouble.

[@wibbley1]

@@user-to8un3gl6p There were no parked cars on the left. The car slow gained on the bike, then adjusted their speed so as not to overtake, keeping wide, indicating right and turning off. I know bikes want the whole road to themselves and they are all very selfish road users, but 2 X plod saying no issue and also Ashley, the entitled are still arguing!

[@marekklimczyk4042]

If that was the worst car maneuver, I ever encountered on a bicycle, I would still be cycling today. Too many idiots to make it safe.

[@wibbley1]

@marekklimczyk4042 Agree, far too many idiots on the road. We need stiff penalties, bans with the cars/bikes being crushed. Alas it seems the new policy is to let criminals out of prison early. Bikes, whilst recognising their vulnerability, ten seem intent, due to arrogance & entitlement, to put themselves in harms way anyway. Personally, cycling round Elephant & Castle, F'that. I would sooner get off my bike, cross as a pedestrian & then safely re-join the traffic, giving a little here, but then taking, by using the cycle lane. Alas most (all) bikes will risk their lives playing with the traffic. Same as turning right on a busy road. I will stop on the lef & wait until it is safe, rather than increase vulnerability by sitting in the middle of the road. Most (all) bike riders would see this as somehow 'loosing to the motorist' and would rather risk their life than stay safe.

[@danieltesfaye8517]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@wibbley1Hello again, You don’t get it unless you try it yourself. I cycle around the Elephant & Castle question mark and that is fine for me. There are segregated cycle lanes on both sides some of them in bad condition with rubbish in them and debris. That’s why they are not used as much and I choose the road instead. I just know you don’t cycle because you think it is better to stay on the left while doing a right turn? Like what? That makes no sense. Why would I be on the left while I am trying to turn right. Why are you giving different rules for cars you hypocrite? Imagine if cars decided to turn from the left to go right on a busy road that would be chaos. How do you want a cyclist to go right on a busy roundabout? Use the left lane and cut everyone off? It just this selfish mentality from car drivers like yourself that make roads dangerous for other road users and more congested for motorists. You talk as if cyclists need to get out of the way like every single car driver are emergency services. I will say this a million times: Cyclists don’t need to automatically move out of a cars and should use the road as a fellow road user. Bikes literally take very little room compared to a car with one person in it. You can overtake them in time. How am I supposed to stay safe if you want me to turn right from the kerb side? The whole point of moving towards the right before turning right is to show your intentions of turning right, way before you signal right at the turn you want to take. I can’t believe you watch Ashley Neal and your mindset comes from those dashcam channels. Cyclists can do very little to stay safe when they get forced into the door zone by car drivers that are so impatient to get absolutely nowhere. Cyclists are put more at risk from other drivers not themselves get that in your head. Plenty of car drivers take a lot of risks to themselves and other road users. I see them speeding, overtaking late and overtaking cyclists very closely on a daily.

[@wibbley1]

@@danieltesfaye8517 Quite simply, I take responsibility for my own safety, rather than delegating it to others. Whilst of course I could sit right in the middle of Streatham High Road, waiting to turn right, I have put myself in a position of danger and vulnerability. I could easily be hit by a reckless moped rider from either direction or a car trying to 'be clever' and jump a few cars. Rather than be smug & entitled and end up being dead right, sometimes it is safer to stop on the left and then cross the road as a pedestrian. However I realise no other cyclists think like this & would rather risk their lives playing with the traffic. You describe the Elephant perfectly. So again I'm not going to risk my life amongst all the diverse drivers now on the road. I would sooner use some common sense, rather than entitlement & get squashed.

[@danieltesfaye8517]

@@wibbley1 Did I say motorists should be responsible for my safety? Oh my goodness hand in your licence to the DVLA. Drivers should look after me but I don’t expect them to. I have been in the middle of busy roads waiting to turn right and none of those things comes to my head because they never happened. Surprisingly on busy roads you don’t have to wait that long to find a gap. Also if you ride down the middle towards the path of oncoming cars, drivers will steer away from you because you are actually visible when you make direct eye contact with the drivers. Plus if the main roads are busy you can just take an alternative route instead which would definitely be faster than dismounting and using a pedestrian crossing every time you turn right. Just because you can’t cycle doesn’t mean you can make these bold assumptions. I see many cyclists pushing their bikes around busy junctions. Cycling in general isn’t playing with your life in traffic? Cars are dangerous. Roads are dangerous because of cars. Bikes were using the road way before cars until cars got popular and the roads became accommodated to cars. Now suddenly car drivers like you think no one else should use them? If you ask a HGV driver: Which road user is the worst as in inconveniences you and makes your job harder? They will say car drivers without a debt. They are basically how motorist think of cyclists but driving a car. Car drivers cut them off, make them lane change unnecessarily for the car driver to speed up again, car drivers get distracted and in general drive the most dangerously. Diverse drivers? Tell me you didn’t vote reform. For me the only driver who gave me verbal abuse for no reason so far was white British. Why you are saying cyclists are entitled so they get squashed as if there aren’t motorists who deliberately cause a crash to make a point?

[@peter04345]

Again not sure why you post these videos. Appears to be to just raise animosity between road users. Personally I would not have reported the incident but then again that is just me. But was it dangerous, yes. Why do you not try to understand things other than from a car drivers point of view. A cyclist you are not. The cyclist doing around 20km/h and the car catching up around 25km/h. That is 5.5m/s and 6.9m/s respectively. The car driver got to within 1 - 2 meters from the cyclist. That is to 1/3 of a second max to impact. Think how that makes one feel. After thinking about that, then make your comments. 1 ton of metal 1/3 of a second to impact on flesh. Then advise all your viewers to respect others and give space. Remember the stopping distances at those speeds. 1/10 of a second is a false start in the Olympic. I would ask you to just think before stirring up the pot so that people can learn rather than have their prejudices affirmed. I am sure the cyclists motivation was to try and improve the safety for everyone, nothing bad in that.

[@TheVanderfulLife]

People like this take away resources from actual issues.

[@wrightwoodwork]

They haven't taken in what the driver was doing and the shoulder checks weren't sufficient as they weren't aware of the right signal so wasn't in any danger and was never going to pass at the island . Saying that some people do freak out if a car gets close. A lot of the time you can hear if a car is going to start to pass. The thing is to command the space going past the island if you don't want to be passed

[@jameshoward2738]

Ashley got back quick from Goodwood to post this 🙂 Saw you today just as the Red Arrows started when I was waiting to cross the track. I saw a woman I thought I recognised but couldn't place passing me in the crowd, then I saw you behind and realised where I'd seen her before. Strangely I bumped into another KZbinr SciManDan in McDonalds recently too.

[@shm5547]

Poor driving, absolutely no need to get so close, but not something I would have reported.

[@Jaymark-gk4li]

They should all take a test mandatory 🎉

[@BikeBenzy]

I probably would have stayed further back as the driver... You could argue that should the cyclist move to their right suddenly, the driver would not have had enough time to react... But this is not even close to being worth reporting to the police.

[@lordedam5303]

I was the viewer who submitted this clip. I don’t normally bother with KZbin comment but thought I would for this, mainly to respond to some of the other comments provided. The camera here was a 170deg wide angle - the car was closer to me both laterally and backwards than it was the side of the road. The car was a lot closer to the side of the road than the car is wide. The car is 1.8m wide. 1. Wasting police time. No. Operation Snap in Wales is staffed by trained civilians, with a police sergeant supervisor. Reporting a situation where you felt you were in danger to the police operation setup specifically for that purpose is never wrong - if no one reports anything the genuinely bad drivers will keep going until they kill someone. Of course some borderline or inappropriate reports will be made. In my opinion, this car got far too close for comfort. Unfortunately for me, the law (and Ashley’s peanut gallery) doesn’t care how close a car gets if they aren’t overtaking. 2. Shoulder checks. It’s easy to count seconds in a video. The reality is my first check had a car far away. My second check, preparing for the junction a few seconds later had the car sat a few feet off my back wheel. Honestly, at that point I wasn’t looking at their indicators, I was trying work out if they were going to push past at the island. does anyone here really expect detailed shoulder check every couple of seconds on a not very busy road? Go check some of Ashley’s riding videos - how often are his shoulder checks? 3. “It was a very sedate, well timed move” - wales has a default 20mph limit, the car was probably bang on the speed limit throughout. I don’t think it timed its move. If anything it only slowed down when it realised it couldn’t complete the overtake before the island. 4. Finally, the closeness of the car. Any regular viewer of Ashley’s channels knows he has criticised drivers for being further away than this in the past, but in this case the car did not actually pass so “hey, no pass no foul”? Remove Ashley’s commentary and look at the video on its own merit. A car came within a few feet of a vulnerable road user in a potentially high risk area. The guidance is always “give a cyclist as much room as you would a car”. would you drive that close to another car in front of you? Would you be comfortable with another car that close behind you? It’s nice to see a number of comments agreeing with my opinion of the high risk in this video though

[@ChrisBrown-px1oy]

I appreciate your coming here and I couldn't agree more with your point 1. A reporting system should not come with jeopardy for the reporter and nor should the right to query. Comments suggesting otherwise are not worth worrying about. While I would agree with the police decision to take no further action, I value as a driver who doesn't cycle now this insight on how the incident occurred to you. I hope you won't be offended, then, if I invite you to apply a bit of the same spirit. The end of the quote from your email to Ashley shown here from 1:01 says your concern shifted to not bring run over at the crossroads, and "luckily that was when they decided to make their turn". I suggest that on the contrary, the driver had already decided to make that turn, possibly before even deciding to make the journey. The only driving decision that could conceivably have been about you was a benign one, to stay behind you past the refuge. On your last questions, with point taken about the relative ease of establishing intention via mirror views, I think I would have been comfortable either way, given our clearly diverging trajectories.

[@wibbley1]

Mate, I think you need to take some rider training. If you were so scared by that 'big nasty car' then maybe riding is not for you. The car did nothing wrong. It stayed behind you, was certainly not tail-gating at that slow speed and was turning right, thus had no intention of passing you. Just think of the number of times you manoeuvre on the road, turn left, right etc without any arm signals. Other road users don't have a clue what or where bikes are going, but we have to put up with it. Same as a pedestrian on shared routes, bikes are lawless, with no way to report them. Are you happy to wear identifiable registration markings so any bad or dangerous cycling by yourself can be reported and lead to prosecution? Thought not.

[@philipreid2542]

Interesting how the police never actually said the car wasn't too close, but that point seems to have been lost on most people. Shame really, as it's actually quite interesting how an overtake may have been prosecutable, but not tailgating. Could have made for a more interesting video than what we got (driver did fine, cyclist shouldn't have reported)

[@ianmason.]

@@philipreid2542 The police wouldn't comment on the issues at hand at all. They are always very careful not to, in writing at least. Note the very neutral way their response was worded. You can't draw a conclusion from them omitting to say something.

[@philipreid2542]

@@ianmason. true, fair point, but nor can you say OP was deluded for requesting a second opinion, as if the police had explicitly said the driver wasn't too close (which is something many here seem to be arguing)

[@PedroConejo1939]

First off, I think the police decision was sound and it shouldn't even have gone to them. There is a widespread habit, and not just towards cyclists, of drivers closing the gap before turning off. I don't think it's criminal, but it's sub-optimal. This driver was the least bad I've seen. Maybe the best thing to do is bang on about it on YT videos.

[@goodyeoman4534]

It's one of those where they get away with it so many times they stop thinking about it. If they ever did prang someone, they'd be held liable. The other one is changing lanes straight away but indicating after they're already across the white line.

[@Grumpster1971]

I can think of another word to describe this cyclist, other than deluded. A fine Scottish word. Fanny!!! 😂

[@CurlCascade]

There was no reason the red car couldn't have hung back another car length or so, it does look like they get quite close albeit to the right hand side of the cyclist. But that's not something that warrants reporting to the police.

[@WilliamHandover]

That’s not an offence.

[@akj2387]

​@@WilliamHandover It is an offence, you're supposed to see a bike as a car and should be treating it as if it's taking up the whole lane. The car guy defo wouldn't have gotten this close 1:41 if it was a lorry in place of the bike. Definitely not 1.5m, nor the minimum following distance on a 30mph road.

[@wrightwoodwork]

Have to agree not that it would bother me

[@WilliamHandover]

@@akj2387 again, there was no offence committed. The guy was not behind the bike, he was off to its side and did not pass. The police reviewed twice. The conclusion = deluded. Are you deluded too?

[@WilliamHandover]

@@user-to8un3gl6p nowhere near. Again… deluded was the conclusion and the police agree, twice.

[@scottvessey915]

The driver was too close, but there's nothing worthy of filing a report. Sadly, I've reported situations which were WAY more dangerous than that only for there to be no follow-up from the police - I really wish people like your viewer would stop wasting their time so they could spend more of it on reports which deserve their attention.

[@davidbarlow350]

You sure that wasn't the self appointed cyclist's champion Jeremy Vine?

[@WhiskyMechanic]

I have 2 cars, 2 bicycles and 2 legs which I all use regularly so I feel I manage to see things better from all perspectives. This video is crazy. Nothing happened! Was the cyclist's name Karen?

[@drahcirnevarc9152]

As myself a cyclist, I might possibly have given the driver a friendly wave.

[@anoncyclist2131]

having a car 1m away from you for any reason shoudlnt happen. drivers need to remember that the space you can see isnt always space you should use its not a reportable thing, but the driver really shouldnt have gotten that close for no real reason

[@chrisl1797]

At the end of the day you cannot control other people, only your reaction to them. Things happen nearly every day on any journey. Some are poor, some are bad and some are downright dangerous. If anyone is concerned about road safety then they should have dashcams and report things to the police via Operation SNAP. One should remember that the police can only intend to prosecute if A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED, there is ENOUGH EVIDENCE, and it is in the PUBLIC INTEREST to persue the case. i.e. there has to be a better than reasonable chance of a conviction.

[@Bikey_McBeardface]

It's the CPS not the police that decide if something is "in the public interest" the CPS only get involved with offences that require prosecution via the courts, traffic offences (which are not necessary considered crimes) can be "actioned" automatically via the points system, fixed penalty, and/or mandatory driver education courses (and very rarely police caution) and the standard of evidence required is way lower than an offence that would/could result in a criminal record. If the driver refused to accept their allocated penalty or fight the decision in court, then the CPS would become involved, and they may decide it's not in the public interest to pursue. But that is highly unlikely.

[@chrisl1797]

@@Bikey_McBeardface with Operation SNAP I have been told by them that they decide if it is in the public interest. There are two tests a clip must pass; offence an ITPI.

[@petef15]

Basically he's upset because he got scared for a moment.

[@Umski]

Blimey, I’ve had a few NFAs on the basis that they couldn’t judge the passing distance from the footage but at least the cars went past - this was nowhere near the cyclist FFS - no wonder the police are overwhelmed when junk like this is submitted 😮

[@mikeallan7740]

It all comes down to the victim mentality, victimhood has poisoned politics and drives pretty much all of the hatred and misery we see in the world, people saying and doing awful things thinking they're still good people because they're the victim and therefore justified in being utterly awful to other people. You also see it with many cyclists and motorcyclists where due to being more vulnerable they're therefore always right no matter what because motorists are "victimising" them, that's why this guy and people like cycling Mikey are the way they are, perpetual victimhood leading to massive levels of arrogant self righteousness.

[@cyclecam6328]

I agree with the police decision. It''s worth knowing that getting close to people like this can bother them. If youve got no awareness or good enough awareness it feels fine. This was a 'friend' but getting close was one 'foe' cue.

[@smilerbob]

It is one reason I am careful to not get too close but also not stay too far back it encourages an overtake from behind Given the car signalled early, stayed wide but didn’t force anything, even with being away from cycling for over 7 years I would’ve had no issue with this driver. But, as you say, for some it can feel intimidating

[@goodyeoman4534]

Eh?

[@stevenrix7024]

@@smilerbobIf the cyclist had hit a pothole and fallen to the right, towards the middle of the road, could the car have stopped in time? It looks to have been quite close behind, but then these cam lenses can distort things a bit…

[@smilerbob]

@@stevenrix7024 Yes, I believe the driver could’ve stopped. Looking at the closest point on the footage, it appears the vehicle is behind the cyclist by ~3m measuring the distance on the traffic island and at the lower speed, very easy to stop. I have already said that I wouldn’t be that close but in my opinion, correct decision by the police. As you say, camera distortion played a part in making this look like the driver was up alongside

[@josephmarsh8235]

Seriously, what is going on with so many people? Just think what people all over cycling twitter and many more social media might think of this if people think this is bad driving and the cyclist is in the right for saying the driver was putting them in danger. And to finish, what would Jeremy Vine, and Cycling Mikey think of this? Would they be on the cyclist's side for reporting this? I honestly hope not.

[@ImranOO7]

Definitely deluded, the vehicle behind was never going to be an issue and yet the cyclist was still crying. He needs to do better and concentrate more on the road.

[@r4vr4c]

Another great waste of police time and tax payers money

[@DeeSock]

Honda should have held back more for safety and given the cyclist proper space! If cyclist spilled onto road in front of the catching and 2-second-rule-breaking Honda, who is potentially distracted by other traffic and center island, I doubt Honda would never have rammed the cyclist. Check Wham Baam Teslacam for MANY instances of the "HONDA BUMP". I remember cycling decades ago and few thought it a problem to drive past me within inches to my side. Thankfully this is now recognised as dangerous, not a deluded safety concern. A relative and a schoolchild I knew would not be dead and buried from cars ramming them if "rare" circumstances were considered by those drivers. So many interactions between cars and cyclist happen, that rare becomes a regular injury occurence at the national level.

[@Chomp-Rock]

Cor, does he use that camera to film tilt shift footage?

[@symonlibera7011]

And i thought i had it bad when i was closed passed by a lorry at 50 mph.

[@Tillyard86]

Is there a law against making people feel vulnerable?

[@thenayancat8802]

This seems to be somebody traumatised by previous negative interactions if I'm honest

[@shed66215]

No issue with how that car driver dealt with that, deserves an A. Cyclists response/reaction to it is surely an F.

[@Mesofs9]

The cyclist should try biking in the Netherlands. In this clip there is hardly any traffic, in small city streets you dont get more space when cars overtake and nobody is even bothered.

[@wibbley1]

@Mesofs9 but this is the UK, where every bike dresses like & thinks they are in the tour-de-france and treats every road as their personal racetrack. It is so woke now, that bikes think they have priority over everyone & they need not ever stop or give way. Convert a pedestrian route to shared access and it is suddenly full of speeding bikes, showing no care or consideration for pedestrians. Unfortunately with the wokey mentality of the local governments, they keep feeding this mentality, which just promotes more arrogant, entitled and dangerous cycling.

[@stephenpalfreyman4755]

Definitely a waste of police time but I'm still surprised that the analysis thinks the honda driver did nothing wrong - they weren't overtaking the cyclist so shouldn't they be keeping 2 seconds behind?

[@akj2387]

Exactly what I was thinking, they should be keeping 2 seconds behind. Seems like that flew through everyone's head, what does it make difference cos it's a bike? We're supposed to see bikes as cars and imagine they're taking up the whole lane. I doubt the guy would get that close to a lorry 1:41.

[@vfclists]

Ashley can't help being Ashley can he? This is clear case of tailgating. Tailgating is tailgating whether you intend to turn off or not.

[@ClimateChangeDoesntBargain]

I think the car was too close

[@Mrhullsie2]

I am so glad the video ended as it did, when it started i thought you were agreeing with the cyclist and i was asking myself what did i miss in that footage. If that is enough to scare the cyclist then i am sorry but they should not be cycling on public roads for their own piece of mind.

[@TPH250290]

Should be cautioned for wasting police time.

[@stestar09]

Back in my day i had to chase down & shout @ drivers (between traffic lights) for hitting my bars with there mirrors , now they cry if they are overtaken by something within a cars width

[@ArminGrewe]

According to plenty of biker channels "cagers" are only out on the roads to "kill" or "murder" bikers. Seems at least some cyclists have a similar attitude.

[@JP777-k9w]

It will be bikers like the one that nearly crashed into me yesterday overtaking on a blind bend at 60+ m/h in a no-overtaking zone

[@aanubis5874]

Good video Ashley! I suspect the cyclist in this video is named Hyacinth Bucket! 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂 This is frightening to think people as so up themselves they waste precious Police time on stupidity like this. The Police get enough stick for their procrastination and absolute indifference to real crime, maybe issues like this are the reason so much time is wasted. As you say, Deluded!!!

[@thealbagalavanter9986]

I don't see any dangers at all

[@GoosePlays20]

W to the car driver

[@Francis-xl2gu]

Could it be the 'vehicles appear closer than they really are' in a rear view ??

[@Tailspin80]

I’m guessing he wouldn’t have liked the Jag that pulled out right in front of me yesterday then. It was only the sound of my locked up rear wheel that made him hit the brakes as I squeezed between his bonnet and the hedge on the right. Must get a camera!

[@CRUDEDriving]

This was completely unnecessary. Good video and analysis. Thanks, Ashley. 🙏🏽

[@patricksavage8519]

Another example of an entitled cyclist

[@JurivonStolzenberg14]

Is that an EV? The only hazard i can see that An EV could potentially accelerate fast into the wrong direction. That's why i never cross the road as pedestrian in front of them , even if driver waves me across. Most have more electricity in engine than in brain and spinal nerves .😅

[@j0ebaldw1n]

It's a hybrid, Honda HR-V.

[@abt833]

I partially agree with the cyclist. What if a car sped out of the junction to their left. They may have a slow quick and swerve. I would never get close to a cyclist of another road user in case of random occurances.

[@grimsbyhackney479]

You could "what if" yourself into a lather.

[@abt833]

@@grimsbyhackney479 I would rather "what if" than die

[@wrightwoodwork]

That why you take up primary past junctions to command the space going past

[@abt833]

@@wrightwoodwork maybe so, but as a driver I am going to think for the safety of myself and the cyclist. If you want the cyclist to think for you that's your choice.

[@wrightwoodwork]

@abt833 I'm with you a 100% , I would have held back a bit more as really no need to be that close and to make them feel uncomfortable. Turning right just relax as the 1 second lost in getting to junction will soon be gained back

[@ryanbarry7670]

It looks very close on this fish-eye lens, meaning the car must have been a lot closer in reality (I'm thinking just under a meter). If I'm right in that I can see why the viewer was a bit startled by it..

[@Slaeowulf]

It looks nothing like a fish eye lens. You're right that the focal length meant it probably was closer than it looked, but you'll want to Google what a fish eye lens actually is.

[@Robert-yw5ms]

'Luckily the car decided to turn at that point' well yeah but that was always their intent. Your viewer is acting like it was a sudden decision, possibly made by rolling a die.

[@Chomp-Rock]

Yeah, they definitely decided to turn way before that point 😂

[@douglasreid699]

the only thing i can think of that would be a risk in this situation is the car is a bit close if the cyclist fell off, could they still stop in time. most likely they could, seems the car has timed it rather well to take the junction and keep moving.

[@christopherhammond7258]

Wow grow up ffs

[@GodmanchesterGoblin]

​@@christopherhammond7258 Very constructive.

[@highdownmartin]

That one word is W⚓️.

[@DaveHines1]

“Words fail me , see diagram “ 😃

[@nickramsden5366]

I wonder how many hours a day are spent reporting all drivers passing at 149cm or less.

[@StevieOnHisBike]

If I reported incidents like this one then, I wouldn't have any time to ride my bike. BUT, how AN can fail to point out that the car got way too close is ridiculous. These videos are about EDUCATION - cyclist and motorist alike. Did the car driver put the cyclists in any real danger? Not really (hence no police action) but they still got too close which, can be f'ing scary! Why didn't AN reframe the situation and say something to the effect of "cyclists can feel really vulnerable and so stay a dozen or more metres back until it's safe to pass (or turn right)). But no... let's stoke the anti-cyclist fire!

[@philipreid2542]

Exactly. I'm still unsure about what the video's actually meant to accomplish

[@Daz1024]

Car driver had nothing to gain for being so close and, especially with the current state of UK roads, if the cyclist had an issue and came off, it would be between emergency stop or collision, opposed to steady braking. It did appear close and ultimately, unnecessary. A police matter? No. Only the 2nd time I've disagreed with Ashley.

[@lukjad007]

I wish cars behaved like this. I didn't feel the slightest amount of pressure.

[@peteroverall3058]

You choose to be an organ donor get a car if it's all too scarey out there

[@Chigleybus]

Hmm what would the charge be? Driver approaches cyclist considerately while waiting to turn right. Definitely six points there, maybe even a ban. Miss Marple would probably be more aggressive behind the wheel 🤔