Things In Wings Of Fire That Make ZERO Sense...

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

What other odd things have you guys noticed? Let me know down below!

[@Local_Menace02]

Another odd thing is why would Queen Coral “train” Anemone? Anemone could just cast a spell when no one is looking and stop the war, just make everyone get along. But that might make the second arc a little unnecessary if that happened- still would have been good if Anemone had done that

[@TheOriginalCrypticArchives]

What I don't understand is how the fruits can be small and large at the at the exact same time, so are they large? Or small?

[@useruser-gb3kh]

Okay, I just remembered another one. So you know how in the beginning on the Lost Hair dragonets get almost spotted by a SkyWing patrol? WTF WAS IT DOING THERE?! We know that the dragonets left the Sky Kingdom in the end of the first book and didn’t plan to go back there. They were mowing East towards the “tail” and the Sea Kingdom. And considering how impatient Tsunami was I’d say they were pretty close to it. Which means there should be no SkyWings that far into the MudWing territory. From what we’ve seen different allies would get together only for attacks and occasional guest visits. No soldiers trade or anything. That means there should’ve been a MudWing patrol, not a SkyWing

[@jesscarmichael1978]

@@useruser-gb3kh true but didn't Crocodile follow webs? I just assumed Crocodile told the skywings and I'm pretty sure the skywing weren't looking for the dragonets they were following Crocodile which was following Webs and I'm sorry if that explanation was confusing

[@LuxTheForestFox]

I got one in book six moon rising, moon had a prophecy of what would happen if she stopped the awful prophecy and in that prophecy she saw a deep red ish brown dragonet ofc that’s perils and clays dragonet, and peril have to be the one laying the egg. HOW DID THE EGG DIDNT BURNT TO A CRISP also it says in escaping peril prologue that she burnt all the skywing eggs that’s fit for the prophecy SO HOW DID THE DRAGONET SURVIVE!!!

[@Energy_Department]

In the Darkstalker legends book it mentions that the pet scavengers in the school used an apple as a peace offering and it’s mentioned that dragons were eating apples. So dragons are eating something as small as a pea and that’s the size of there fruit apparently?

[@TrickyTalon23]

Actually fruits are bigger in that world

[@Energy_Department]

@@TrickyTalon23 Really?

[@-thunderstar-6414]

@@Energy_Department yep, it's like when dinosaurs were around. Everything was way larger than it is now. Because dragons are the dominant species, we'll, the food probably was modified to the size the dragons wanted it to be.

[@Energy_Department]

@@-thunderstar-6414 Ohh ok I got it. Thanks

[@-thunderstar-6414]

@@Energy_Department ok lol because I thought my explanation was a little confusing

[@pocketscarf]

I suppose there *could* be an argument that dragons and/or humans could have cultivated some foods over time to be larger/smaller respectively. After all, we see that in our own, real-world agriculture. Like with corn, for example. It started out with the edible part being really tiny, and now it can be the length of a person's forearm. Or perhaps fruits have evolved/mutated to be larger or smaller based on what species is nearby. Course, neither of the options are really hinted at in the books, are they? But it's something to consider.

[@silverballstudios3578]

Be amazed has a video about this :)

[@silverballstudios3578]

I mean on the the sizes of fruits

[@silverballstudios3578]

Not exactly but you'll see

[@imbored2423]

This is weird and kinda gross but poop?💩 dragon poop would probably be bigger so more nutrients?

[@slipperysock3423]

This makes sense but the reason that fruit and vegetables got bigger was because people would take the seeds from the abnormally large fruit/vegtables and would plant them and kept doing that until they were artificially evolved into more edible fruit and vegetables and you are partly right about the fact that they could be mutated

[@3rdEyeLenny]

For Onyx, I'd say, at least we were given SOME sort of excuse as to how and why Onyx was with the younger dragonets. (She snuck in as part of the plan to learn more about Sunny and possibly take her out, and everyone forgot she was 19, meaning she at least looks young enough to be in the place. ) The third one with Sky being invulnerable to Peril's scales makes sense, and I headcanon it. My explanation for it was since it's also HIS fire, he's sort of immune to it. Along with that, as you pointed out, Sky should've burned in the egg, like Scarlet said.

[@kikithekiwigameing2365]

I honestly didn't know onyx was 19 until now, I thought she was 8

[@kyleighcampbell4311]

Some people say it would have made much more sense for her to be a teacher because she had the age and it would have given her more access to things and more of a chance to spy on the dragonets. But that’s the thing, would they let a random sandwing that just showed up that wanted a teaching position have it? Even if they did they wouldn’t do without some questioning right?

[@BeepBoopbebo]

I think Onyx probably lied about her age to get in.

[@Xenyca]

Finally, someone brought up the food sizing! It’s so inconsistent. At one point in Dragonslayer (and I think Moon Rising as well) it’s mentioned that a blueberry is the size of someone’s hand…which is HUGE. But at other times it just seems to be normal sized??? I’ve always been so confused about this. With Onyx I just assumed she looked much younger and smaller than she was, but now that I think about it it STILL doesn’t make much sense. I headcanon that either the sort of gooey egg-stuff would have kept Sky safe or Peril wouldn’t really burn until she hatched, although fire immunity is way cooler.

[@avacornthelastponybender8583]

Sense there are more examples of Fruit being bigger than normal, I think it's more likely that Pyrrhiain Fruit is huge. Look at the sense in Darkness of Dragons when Darkstalker holds & PICKS THE LEAVES off a strawberry. None of the characters comment on how big the berry is, it must be a normal size for Pyrrhiain strawberries. But it can't be the size of a real strawberry, 'cause someone Darkstalkers' size holding somthing that small is like someone our size holding a Musterd seed

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Ikr! I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it

[@ericvondell5157]

I've just begun reading into Wings of Fire, and aside from the triple moons of "The Land of the Lost", the sizing issues didn't escape My notice! But, in Land of the Lost, There are portrayals of supesized berries and veggies, as well as normal sized of the same. These were Explained in the failed remake of the 1990's as due to genetic engineering. There's also a mention by Wesley Eure's Character concerning "Why there's dinosaurs here in the first place". He suggested that "everything is from other worlds and times just evolved...". Tui doesn't say just how advanced Dragons and humans were before "The Scorching", but, I've come across Three fan stories suggesting that humans may have come from space as invaders! I've considered that Both humans and Dragons came from different planets and fought over this new world.... whatever, not much Makes any Scientific (or Magical) sense in the Wings of Fire World! Basically, WOF is Just "Game of Thrones", but, with Dragons in the human roles! 😻

[@Xenyca]

@@ericvondell5157 Oh wow, that's a really cool theory! It definitely would explain a lot, like animus magic and an unusual amount of limbs in dragons, along with all the sizing stuff!

[@Xenyca]

@@Dogloverlikesdoge Me too!

[@stranger9155]

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[@fabledpigeon]

Yes, because fire needs oxygen to burn.

[@fabledpigeon]

I just reread this, earlier she put her tail in a pond and all the fish inside boiled and died. This book series is not very consistent with it’s logic-

[@stranger9155]

​@@fabledpigeon Because most of her body was out of water, allowing heat to transverse through her body, allowing the tail to keep average temperature, unlike when almost her whole body was underwater. Way less air, think about it more.

[@fabledpigeon]

@@stranger9155 true- I’m not gonna go too deep into the science but that makes sense

[@nedhunter9817]

I literally just commented the same hypothesis without realizing someone had already done so.

[@IcestormTundra]

I think I remember a part in book 15 that said the fruit were a lot smaller than usual when grown on human farms. And there was a part in book 6 where Bandit eats a blueberry that fits into both his hands at once. I've got a feeling magic might have been involved, or cultivation.

[@jesscarmichael1978]

Oh yeah! An animus dragon probably enchanted mostly all the fruit to be super sized for dragon!

[@eevee177]

Actually, I think that agricultural dragons weeded out the small foods and kept the biggest ones, like selective breeding but plants.

[@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber]

I agree with ALL of these things! Especially the oversized/tiny food. Plus, I agree that Onyx should have been a teacher now that I look back on it. Thinking certain things through like that is very important when writing books. I’m not criticizing Tui I’m just saying. Yea *is* Sky immune to fire like Clay? Super weird that he didn’t die in their egg.

[@god_2.0_the_better_version]

Peril absorbed his fire and I'm gonna assume there's probably something stopping dragons from being burnt by their own fire.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Yeah, definitely

[@JadeMountainArchive]

I had NO IDEA Onyx was so old hahahaha. That is really weird. As for the dragons' food intake: I think we can partly explain that with the fact that they're reptiles (at least, I think they are). Being cold blooded means they don't have to eat as much to replace the energy their body is using - a crocodile, for example, only needs to eat once a week or so to keep itself full and some have even been documented to go over an entire YEAR without eating anything. So, for Clay to be constantly hungry (even after eating an entire cow) is a bit wild. Still, a single kiwi probably wouldn't mean much to a dragon haha - it'd be like giving a person a single grape or something like that. Not exactly filling.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

I suppose it's the thought that counts XD

[@minecraft6829]

It was noted in one of the books (book four or five??) that a dragon can go a month without food before dying. Plus, a cold blooded creature couldn’t live that far north in the arctic, so ice wings HAVE to be warm blooded. Also, sand wings emit heat from their scales; and I don’t THINK (correct me if I’m wrong) reptiles can emit heat like that. If two dragon tribes are warm blooded; who says that the rest aren’t as well?

[@sbbluffs]

@@minecraft6829 true

[@ariannasanchez2776]

Maybe Jade Mountain is a school with an open policy for any age, it's never too late to learn. respect to the sizes that confuses me a lot, I always thought that humans were the size like in the image of Smolder and Rose or even bigger because they can carry a small dragonet, but the graphic levels draw them smaller I don't like that, I prefer them to be a little bigger, I think the indicated size would be up to the shoulder of a dragon. I think that Sky having the same scales as Peril, she can touch him without hurting him, I have the theory that touching Peril's fire scales could happen to Sky and vice versa, it's just a theory, an idea, I've been thinking about it a lot, but it would be great to see that they could share the scales of fire.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Even if any age can come, it's still a bit weird to place adults in classes with children. Maybe Onyx could have been a teacher or there could be all adult classes of some kind

[@lynnward3666]

and in book one when tsunami and clay escaped clay added " barely as high as his shoulder" and i dont know if this matches up but the sword was 4 times longer than a regular dragon claw. pg 89 and 90

[@eriklin9541]

When it comes to fruit and other plants with mixed up sizing, I think dragons usually would grow the fruit larger while a human would make it hand sized. Sky most likely has fire proof scales, because of Peril. Onyx or Flame being older than the teachers isn't that bad in my opinion. I think in a dragon society they don't care about age. Plus Onyx went most likely because after her mother's death she had to teach herself so she went to the academy to learn more. The Cow thing doesn't make that much sense but i guess the cows are taller than the humans, but still not as smart so humans could put them in a fenced area. Still the mixed up sizing is weird What I think doesn't make sense with mixed sizing is how the Dreamvisitor is so small on the cover of Dragon Slayer when it was about the size of a pocket knife in Darkstalker.

[@damen9578]

I just want Sky to finally meet peril, realize they’re siblings, and on impulse just hug her. Where we then see that he’s not effected by her flames.

[@munkin8144]

With the first one, I always thought Jade Mountain Academy worked more as a college or school that dragons of all ages can attend. It could be a coincidence that Onyx is in a school full of dragons younger then her, or it could just be some kind of inconsistency, we know Tui has done that in the past with dragon ages. To add onto the sizing issue with humans and dragons, why in the world are dragonets so small? We see multiple times that baby dragons can sit on a humans shoulder and even be tossed around, as seen with baby Sky and Bumblebee. Humans shouldn't be able to support the weight of a dragonet, as they should realistically be the same size as a human. (unless baby dragonets are canonically the size of a pea to adult dragons). As for the animal and plant sizing compared to humans, the only logical explanation that I can come up with is that there is some kind of form of gigantism, like certain plants and animals have some sort of parasite or virus that makes them grow in size. Either that, or we're looking at completely different species of animals and plants that look like the normal ones, just bigger. As for Sky not being burned by Peril while in the egg? It's possible he's immune, but I still have no idea.

[@friendly_lemonade]

I think an explanation for Sky not dying in the egg would be that dragon eggs have a sort of goo inside them like chicken eggs, where the dragons eat it until they hatch, and since Peril can’t burn things in water, this likely would have stopped her from burning Sky as well.

[@crimsonarcher213]

i kinda thought that for animals and plants the humans just did tons of selective breading to get small versions of the stuff

[@thehyperscientist1961]

As for the size difference, I have a few theories that might work (some spoilers for Arc 2 ahead!) 1. The early size comparison shown 1:40 could be between a full-grown dragon and a human. It's possible that dragonets are just much smaller. We've known that Morrowseer is quite big compared to the original Dragonets, so there also might be some significant size difference among the dragons themselves. 2. Most dragons aren't really that big. It could be that the average size of dragons compared to humans is closer to something we would see in Dreamworks Dragons. The large dragons that are shown might happen to just be exceptions. 3. The plant life of Pyrrhia has split into two different types: human-sized and dragon-sized. In a scene from Moon Rising, Moonwatcher passes a blueberry to Bandit (Winter's pet human). This would not be possible if the blueberry was human-sized. Then in Winter Turning, Winter saw vegetable gardens growing in a fortified human town. Therefore, the plants must be human-sized, or else there would be carrot leaves the size of trees. It could be any one, or a combination of some of these theories. Hopefully the upcoming Wings of Fire Guidebook can help shed some light on this mystery

[@retro2323]

Something that has always bugged me since the third arc is when Sundew used Bullet ants, and specifically called them Bullet ants. These ants are named so because their sting feels like being shot, but as far as I know, guns don’t exist in the world of Wings of Fire.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

I hadn't even noticed that! Good observation.

[@zacharybyford8200]

I noticed that too, so I just explained it away in one of my fanfics as the dragons having technology on par with Victorian Era England and just lost that in the scorching but the words still stuck around. Of course this was before we knew anything about The Scorching so I detailed it out myself.

[@Waste_of_Space]

It mentioned in Moon Rising about Bandit (Winters Pet) ate a few blueberry's the size of his own head. This is ridiculous, lol. Also, nice video!

[@Sympathy4TheMachine]

I think that maybe normal cattle are about 6’8” tall, since a 6yr old dragon (according to WoF experimental wiki) is about 9’8” to 8’2” tall, so a cow that size should be enough to sciatic hunger, but people don’t even eat something about a third of their size, so they would probably be a bit larger than normal sized. And as for fruit my guess is that they have a size comparison as a normal fruit to a human, like a mango would be the same size or a bit larger than a dragon talon. But this isn’t even earth, so size rules won’t completely make sense. And my theory for firescales and ashscales (I think that’s what their called) is that ashscales are either invulnerable to all Fire, or maybe just firescales, or maybe even just to their twin counterparts.

[@Nek0ru]

well I have a theroy with the whole 'Sky would have died in the egg' thing, maybe, that only when peril was exposed to the oxygen in the air it triggered her scales to become so warm, because fire needs oxygen to burn. So the suppository only once Peril has been exposed to the oxygen in the air she began to heat up.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Interesting!

[@OhsweetOhno]

Honestly, my least favorite part of WoF is the humans. I feel like they just shouldn’t be in the world that WoF

[@vfakecfake3366]

I have an explanation for the 2nd one: This is hard to explain but maybe fruit can be ripened at a very small size (which could satisfy a scavenger), and it could grow to a size to satisfy a dragon. And for meat, I think that there are varied species. Maybe scavengers could keep a species of cows small enough for them, and dragons could have bigger species of cows for them. This is highly unlikely, but thanks for looking over it.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Maybe, yeah!

[@fabledpigeon]

Another thing, when Wren finds sky it says he is small enough to curl around her shoulders (or something like that, I can’t be bothered to grab the book) which means a dragonet is about the size of and adult dragons talon or something, especially because Wren was only 7 at the time. Just another point to the messed up sizing-

[@indo7635]

I heard that Tui said that blueberries were around the size of a scavengers head although this might not be true

[@useruser-gb3kh]

I actually don’t see much problem with any of these 1. I didn’t read the second arc yet, but with Onyx I just got the same idea as we have in our world where older people can come to colleges and study with 18 years olds because they want to lear more 2. The animal sizing isn’t a problem at all actually. Looking at the chart of human/dragon difference, a normal sized cow is actually a good one-time meal for a dragon that size. It was mentioned that they do hunt smaller animals, but I guess they could be somewhat of a snack. When it comes to fruits, Tui actually said that they were dragon-sized. It doesn’t really explain how humans can eat them normally, but they could just cut it or there could be different sized fruits. I mean it’s a magical world 3. Here there could be a lot of different theories. I’d guess that the liquid in the egg keeps the dragonets completely safe till they are out. Basically I would say you can’t really tell it doesn’t make sense if there’s no clear rules about how this works

[@yeetmastercatto]

Here's another thing: How do dragons learn to speak? Sky learns to speak Dragon as he gets older, without other dragons to teach him.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Oh my goodness, that has bothered me for so long! How can Sky even speak dragon? He was never raised by Kestrel

[@calliope1868]

I'd assume it's a natural instinct for them, the problem with this stuff is that people think of it in human terms

[@hello7795]

Yeah, i’d assume it was a natural instinct. I mean, when moon hatched she was also able to kind of speak (albeit very little), and sky probably wasn’t isolated from dragons his whole life, so he could learn from the speech around him.

[@Sage_Starss]

I think that its because sky has the least fire of all the skywings they even refer to him as "The least skywingish skywing" so he can probably withstand more fire because of the fact that he has so little fire

[@Snekelord12]

I was rlly confised in the books because when i read the 5th book theres a scene where sunny lets a female scavenger ride on her shoulder/ or back and a important thing to note is sunny is rlly small compared to other dragons, and even with that sunny looked huge! But in the same book when flower is sitting on sunnys shoulder,flower doesnt look that small compared to the previous scavenger i mentioned, and when sunny meets her father a fox apears to feed stone mover and get the fox is about the size if not slightly bigger than sunnys tail???

[@xavier_plays95]

So I think that, for the different sized foods thing, there are essentially two types of every plant and animal. The ones that are human-sized, and the ones that are dragon-sized. This isn't easy to explain in the books, but I believe it's just a matter of evolution. We know that about 5000 years ago, humans ruled the world and there were very few dragons, seemingly anywhere. This means that during the time of The Scorching, the food would have all been human-sized. Dragons with leafspeak could have suggested to the plants to grow larger over time, and animals could have gotten larger based on diet and breeding. There are obviously a lot of holes in this theory, but we know that the dragons are fairly advanced, and have been for some time. Even in Darkstalker's time, there were vast libraries and gardens, so why couldn't there have been biology?

[@izinate]

SPOILERS and probably spelling errors One thing I didn't understand about sky is that when he was a dragonet wren found him and the traveled a bit until they came across a cave, but not just any cave but the dragonets cave. It shows them being about the same age as Sky, if not older. But Peril and Sky are twins, and Peril was born a year before them, mentioned in the first book. This makes Sky older then them and that means the dragonets would still be IN THERE EGGS. Just something to think about.

[@It_Was_Taken]

To discuss Sky's fireproof scales- I think it is a genetic mutation due to the fact that peril isn't just immune to her own fire... She is immune to any fire as shown when in Moon Rising she literally walks thro the burning library with no effect. Meaning that this likely passed onto sky. Plus if peril was always on fire even in the egg Wth did peril not burn the egg itself and even as a dragonet peril is shown to be able to burn a embryo(Unhatched Dragonet) with no problem. + Peril didn't even fry herself. Which should have happened if she was burning in the egg because the inside of the egg(Yolk/White) would fry and create smoke. Causing both dragonets to choke to death.

[@LuciPlayz19]

Ok but for sizing also somehow 5 year old wren could hold baby sky in her arms? Like-

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Okay, now *that's* even weirder-

[@sbbluffs]

i thought of that when i read dragonslayer

[@bizarrebravo9874]

I agree with all of these! This has been stuff bothering me for years!! Also, I'm puzzled as to how the Dragons/Scavengers breathe. As there has to be enough oxygen in the atmosphere to properly support an animal the size of a dragon. If its the amount of oxygen present on earth, then the Dragons probably wouldn't be able to get enough oxygen each breath. Also, if there was enough oxygen to support the Dragons, then wouldn't "regular" sized forms of life look different due to a different environment/oxygen levels? Also, how technology has not advanced between Darkstalker: Legends and current time in the books.

[@paulfrancistorres7144]

Maybe the Nightwings were the main innovators of Pyrrhia that all the other dragons relied on for newer technology, and them going into a 2k-year-long exile on the volcanic island all of a sudden left nobody to come up with new technology in that time? I mean, I’m pretty sure Pantala is only more advanced than Pyrrhia because Clearsight was there and readily accessible for things like figuring out new technologies

[@pintodragon3259]

I've always thought of dragons as the size of Clydesdales (a big breed of horse) compared to humans. Nothing too crazy, big enough for human to defend themselves but not pose a really threat to dragons, and the live stock would be slightly bigger than real life. About the fruit thing though, I had an idea that maybe the dragon poop is like extra fertilized? So areas with a lot of dragons have massive plants and bigger animals growing there.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Interesting!

[@tellmethesongoftherain6534]

In Darkstalkers’ book, what *really* annoyed me was that fact that apparently his scroll was burned to absolute friggin ash and somehow Kinkajou could write on it?

[@Crashpad1413]

I think she used a scrap from chameleon’s treasure

[@vanilladrizzlequeen]

yea, she used the pieces of the scroll from Chameleon’s pouch with his different forms- she wrote on the backs

[@barklet6110]

That brings up another issue, how did darkstalker get his powers back if there was still scroll left?

[@vanilladrizzlequeen]

@@barklet6110 I think that even though pieces were missing, the big part peril burned was basically his scroll so by destroying it he got his power

[@avacornthelastponybender8583]

Something that makes no sense to me is Peril burning out the venom in Clay's leg I'm glad she did it & i understand HOW she did it, but how did she learn how to do that? I don't think you'd get very much medical training if you'd lived the kind of life Peril did

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

I haven't even thought about that, but you're right! It's a bit odd that she suddenly got medical knowledge

[@tyarmstrong46]

I kind of figured it was less Peril having medical knowledge out of no where and more so a desperate attempt to save Clay by any means necessary the only way she knows how. By burning it

[@avacornthelastponybender8583]

@@tyarmstrong46 Classic Peril

[@Jellyfish-the-seawing]

Tbh peril probably just started wildly stabbing around and didn’t actually have any knowledge about it

[@legendarypotatoe5829]

With the sizing of fruit it could be they grow dragon-sized fruits and scavenger's grow human-sized fruits? Like different kinds of fertilizer? I'm not sure on the animals though. That is super confusing. As for Sky, I think that he may be fire proof since he shared an egg with Peril. Even though she absorbed all his fire. Honestly, these are all great questions.

[@dyingemu1461]

Also, adding on to the food problem, sandwings can survive a while on just a lizard or two. Unless there are abnormally large lizards in these books or they eat iguanas, a creature smaller than their toes fills them up

[@BlueJay2]

Ok, another thing to add to the sizing! In Dragonslayer Wren is apparently able to hold baby Sky, and I think he even perches on her shoulders at one point (he might not have, I might be remembering that wrong). Wren is a human child. Human adults can be held in dragon claws. How small are almost newly hatched dragonets???? How is a human child able to just carry one around???? What?????

[@maxineguthrie1828]

In the comics they make the wof dragons look like human sized

[@babyli9205]

Also during the prologue of Escaping Peril, Ruby's brothers greet her as she enters the hall; however, they normally don't know who she is since previously, their only sister had been Tourmaline. So why did they not question her identity at any point in the prologue? They didn't even seem surprised to see her as if she was always part of their lives, which in reality she was not.

[@hauntress2341]

Chameleon likely had something to do with that lol

[@M0th3r0f1lM0thSss]

I have a sulution to the sizing stuff. Cows and so on, are normal size, as well was scavengers, and dragons range from 10-12 feet

[@Dragonsfire663]

I have an idea for the fruit part , there might be different types of the fruit where some of it could possibly be big enough for the dragons but the humans could be eating a smaller version of that fruit that looks and tastes the same but is just a bit smaller I'm probably wrong though about some of the fruits but maybe a few are like that

[@izzygraff2026]

Thank you for bringing up the good part! I’ve always wondered about it and can never wrap my mind around how it works

[@D03-H03]

One thing I noticed was that, in the book talking about Darkstalker, Fathom, and Clearsight, Darkstalker mentions that he placed an animus spell on a small bell that would ring and alert him whenever someone used his scroll to cast a spell. Spoilers: Why didn't he hear it ring when Kinkajou cast the spell on the strawberry?

[@paulfrancistorres7144]

I mean, it’s been 2000 years, what are the chances that bell still exists? Plus, did he ever enchant it to be immune to the ravages of time? Did he ever enchant it so he could hear it even when far outside the Night Kingdom?

[@D03-H03]

@@paulfrancistorres7144 maybe you should ask him!

[@ocstudios1585]

My headcannon for firescales/fireless dragonets is that the fireless dragonet can touch their firescales sibling at least for a little bit, absorbing their heat a bit. Which would explain why Sky didn't burn up in the egg.

[@phoebeisthebestest]

I think alot of people forget that Sky isn't confirmed to be Perils sibling in the books. (maybe it was confirmed by Tui, I'm not sure) He may not even be related to her at all, but chances are he is, because the story's link up scarily well if not lmao. Anyways, I think the fact that the other sibling 'burns up in the egg' is kinda outdated, because Scarlet mentions that there hasn't been a firescales in years in the sky kingdom. Either that or I think Chameleon might have something to do with it lol.

[@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978]

I would take whatever Scarlet says with a grain of salt. She isn't known for being a good, honest, dragon, is she?

[@K0lya_elemos]

For the rainwing and fruits it is Said in the books that the sun give them most of the energy they need so they don't need that Much fruits

[@mariajones1562]

in book 10 after anemone cast the empathy spell and transported the icewings to the ice kingdom and the nightwings to the night kingdom, why did darkstalker go to the night kingdom? he's a nightwing - icwing hybrid.

[@YourCasualKomodoDragon]

Also- during Qibli's book Vulture is watching scavengers in a maze. and its big enough for two dragons to be able to pick it up. :/ matrix hello?

[@Kiyowi_Moth]

Isn't the food thing obvious? For the livestock, animals must have evolved to be bigger in order not to go extinct, but the livestock already had by humans must have STAYED THE SAME. In Darkstalker's book, THEY MUST HAVE CUT THE FRUIT INTO SMALLER PIECES FOR THE SCAVENGERS! In The Brightest Night, Smolder must have given Rose A BABY BANANA! YOU CAN SEE THEM IN STORES!

[@paulfrancistorres7144]

I feel like even a dragon-proportioned baby banana would still be too big for a human

[@stargazer5772]

Would also like to mention that in the third series **Spoilers** a Scavenger plays with Bumbleebee and she actually holds with her. I know that dragonets are supposed to be small but not that small.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Yeah, good point

[@CaramelCoyote]

Actually, I’m pretty sure when we first met Anemone, it was said that she was smaller than a scavenger, and also, Wren had held baby Sky.

[@paultaylor5700]

Somebody else gonna talk about the fact that darkstalker took turtles powers and then turtle. Just all of a sudden. Had them back in the next book lioe huh?

[@Fogclaws]

qibli gave him a earring that made him immune to darkstalkers spells, and he used a spell to take his powers away SO THERE

[@paultaylor5700]

@@Fogclaws o thanks I guess my brain skipped over that part

[@ultimatewoffan2832]

I think everyone is forgetting that this book series is for kids 8-12 years old while we the readers are teenagers to young adults. Of course there's going to be mistakes, it's a kids series.

[@thatoneenbybird1127]

I headcanon that dragons are about the size of large horses.

[@FluffyMuffinCentral]

Personally on sizing, I think maybe there’s things sized to dragons and the same thing for scavengers, so like size mutation I dunno

[@someotherguy41]

My food Theory is that all food and live stock comes in all different sizes like a banana can be a normal size for a human but another banana from a different tree could be dragon sized same with animals. And it can be any size in between human size and dragon size just depends on the soil or food given

[@Snekelord12]

I think maybe the animals got bigger after the scorching

[@anonymous_bag5241]

I’m not sure, however I think the food issue could be the fact that there are different sized fruits/berries that look the same but are different species or like you said, are just mutated.

[@randomfurry7721]

i have a small theory about peril- maybe she heated up more AFTER hatching but was only warm in the egg? since you probably know how when fire is exposed to oxygen it.. y’know, is able to burn, but inside an egg there probably isn’t any…? maybe that’s why?

[@CoolScratcher]

Do a part two, this was very interesting!

[@vibingthings]

I agree- at first I thought that Onyx had dragon equivalent dwarfism? But she isn’t mentioned to be short? Also, HOW IS PERIL X TURTLE an excepted ship in the fandom? People complain about glory x deathbringer (still not an ok ship) but Peril is eight. Same issue with snowfall x sky- age makes NO SENCE in wings of fire, since it created so many plot holes. Also great video by the way!

[@Povejmikatrina]

I really think Onyx should have been a teacher who bonded with and maybe manipulated Qibli in particular, so she could get closer to Thorn. Maybe introduce her in the first series, so her being a teacher wouldn't come out of nowhere too. And yeah, the food thing is super weird and confusing.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Definitely! That would have been awesome to see

[@stormcat9628]

That's a really interesting idea

[@IsabellaNelson586]

It is confirmed in dragonslayer that there are both human sized and dragon sized variations of animas. When leaf is stuck in the skywing banquet hall, he notes that there were huge oversized food and animals. I have a personal headcannon that an aminis dragon in history could not find enough food for themselves or their family and enchanted the food to have bigger proportions.

[@IsabellaNelson586]

This also applies to vegetation as well

[@tootleturtle5403]

About the scavenger thing.... If you look at book two's graphic novel, scroll to the part where the Skywings bombed the Seawing pavilion, then look for the green Seawing holding her dragonet, you'll see its an average for a small dragonet, As a month year old human child would be. It mentions in book 14 that a scavenger picked up bumblebee and was tossing and catching her, I started to think, HOW!? The more you think about it, the more confusing it gets... You see (also in book two graphic novel) When Auklet hatches, she is the size of tsunami's talons... Seawings are the shortest tribe and even then their NEWBORN dragonets are still too big for a human to pick up.... So does daffodil have superpowers??? Or is bubmblebee just undersized?? Also this happens in dragons layer too when sky is small enough for Wren to pick up... Again being newborn AND LITERALLY THE TALLEST TRIBE IN PYRIAHH he still manages to weigh like, what TEN POUNDS??😑 Facts don't match up..... Also in book one graphic novel when clay and tsunami find the scavenger with the bags of treasure he looks like he could fit in her talons, even smaller than Seawing newborns..... And no I didn't forget to mention book 5 Just thought My ranting has gone on long enough😅.... Peace out

[@mothwingthemedicinecat]

true, why would Onyx be at the school? and rooming with one of the youngest dragonets even? (i assume. i think tamarin is around kinkajou's age) also another thing i wondered is why every queen would suddenly agree to not eat scavengers? after eating them all those years? i suppose maybe for Glory it would make sense- she doesnt really like meat. Coral also wouldn't care becuase scvangers dont live in the sea kingdom, and maybe it wouldnt affect snowfall either very much. but the others? i mean, they could assume that the scavnger was enchanted by some dragon that loves them. they didn't know animus magic wasn't working anymore. but they just agreed? with no arguing?

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Yeah, the scavenger thing was never explored. I definitely think that some (if not most) dragons wouldn't like the change

[@slipperysock3423]

I'm pretty sure firescales develop just before they hatch because most repiles scales develop straight before they hatch so maybe dragons do the same?

[@cookie856]

In the real world, we do have different size in the same species - Like with dogs, pigs, horses and goats, and plants also do comes in multiple sizes. It is unfortunately not confirmed that we do have like "more or less two identical species except for the size", but that's the headcanon I went with for the inconsistencies.

[@SkylethrinYT]

I think the only logical conclusion with the food is to assume that human grown food and dragon grown food are two different sizes. You'd think dragons would breed bigger cows for themselves I guess?

[@ashleafwing1706]

Wouldn't it be cool if sky wasn't immune to fire, but only firescales,, like it didn't hurt him at all, so he can hug his sister

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Aw, that would be so sweet-

[@Gooobly]

On the cover of The Hive Queen, Cricket’s talons are black, but in EVERY OTHER BOOK, they are described as ‘warm golden/honey’

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

That's definitely weird... there are quite a few cover mistakes as well like Qibli's snout scar being missing on his cover.

[@Gooobly]

@@Dogloverlikesdoge YES OMG

[@sportbaby2001]

What about morpho? The color of his wings wound the been determined until six years after hatching, and the hive wing would not be that patien5 for the scars on the talon palms.

[@ravem410]

I think a good theory is just that, there is large and small versions of just about everything due to agriculture or growth meddling. Afterall it could explain the differing sizes.

[@is.Rayven]

I have something that also doesn’t make sense with sizing. If Darkstalker is supposedly about as tall as a mountain in arc 2, then how the heck does he fit in Jade Mountain? Is Jade Mountain just really huge, or is Darkstalker small? Idk, it’s hard to picture heights in my head while reading if it’s not a graphic novel, so it’s probably just me

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@Hepoxni]

I've always thought that there were different types of fruits, human sized and dragon sized

[@Shiningclaw6161]

One other thing is that they always act like Umber is the youngest of Clay's siblings but, he hatched on the same day.

[@ApricityGlow]

The last hatched, so he would be the youngest, just by minutes or something.

[@Shiningclaw6161]

@@ApricityGlow They always act like he's years younger. He is technically just as old as Clay.

[@klcatlin]

I think that the embryonic sac juice stuff in Peril and Sky's egg was enough of a buffer to just make a very toasty temperature in the egg, not burn him. And Sky wasn't burned when they hatched together, but Kestrel was burned when she tried to escape with Peril because the embryonic sac was wiped off

[@Rip-Tyro]

There is a very simple explanation for the messed up sizing, the bigger fruits are just offshoots of the smaller fruits and same for the animals. Some just had a genetic mutation and grew bigger while others stayed the same size.

[@lantern2718]

It actually explained in the book why Onyx is at JMA. The book said she had little education while she was running away with Palm, so she went to school. Speaking of Palm, has any of you ever thought Prickle is an animus? She said she’d enchant a moon to fall through her head- which exactly happened.

[@glowfish937]

im still picturing someone hauling around and cooking a t-rex

[@bayzul7405]

Yes on sizing, it's obvious early as the graphic novel back art, Hidden Kingdom, the fruit are large as as their talons. It's a nice spread, but throwing a banana in the mix - and speaking how Flower just peels a banana - how BIG are the rainforest fruit? I get graphic novel - but Flower is an absolute example brought up that throws me off completely.

[@kazzmcsass]

Two things that don't make sense to me happen in book 14/15. First, I was under the impression that Sky would be weaker than the average dragon. Even if he's a skywing, I always had the impression that he would be too weak to be strong enough to fly all the way to the lost continent. Second was another size related things, in that apparently that baby dragonets are small enough to crawl on a scavenger's shoulders without them being super crushed by a literal dragon being on them.

[@Nik-Name2008]

I think theres a dragon and human variant of everything. And the strwberry song could be explained by Peacemaker finding a batch of human strawberries with a abnoramlly large one.

[@josephrowlee]

The things about the food is what got my brain hurting. Maybe there are human and dragons sized fruits? Like how there are different kinds of apple. That's the best I've got for that.

[@Mel12356]

second! also I haven’t watched yet but this will be good. ok,ok, the food thingy where like, in the graphic novels the cows are half the dragons size, but they have it as live stalk for scavengers, I think their are two different kinds of animals. the big ones, who are what dragons eat. and the small ones. this is just something I thought was cool. the fruit thing, maybe, like ya know how humans take off fruit before they mold or something? what if the dragons let them grow, what if they have something that can make dragon sized animals and fruit. here is my prediction and a little story :) long ago, during the time when humans were mostly the ones who took over the earth, there was a animus who was thinking of something to do. (this was before darkstalkers time to!)let’s name him……. Preycatcher.he was a fellow nightwing, off to go catch some prey. he silently creeped through the night, hiding in bushes when he would see animals, and leaping, with his claws and teeth stretched.he had only caught one pig, the wrest slipped out of his talons. “mph. this animals are cowards..” he mumbled, whipping around to try to see if there was any other prey. “these animals don’t do anything!” he growled. “they barley even fill me up! the only thing big enough for us dragons to eat are whales!” he muttered, his horns feeling some of the breeze in the wind. Preycatcher muttered some more, and lifted up his wings to fly, he caught the wind, heading towards the nightwing palace. as he flew, he could see the palace from a distance. he father, Boldminded, was waiting for him. “What did you catch? Anything good for the family?”he father said, lifting his scales over his eyes. “oh I-“he stuttered. “I thought Missedout was the one going to go get the family prey. I just went to go get prey for myself!” he said, feeling dumber then ever. “how could I have forgotten prey night! if mother finds out she’ll make ME catch the prey EVERYNIGHT”thought Preyhunter, biting his talons. “it’s ok son! I’m joking! I’m joking! Missedout is getting the family prey don’t worry,”his father laughed, patting him on the back then flying off. “phew, alright, that scared the scales outa me,” thought Preyhunter, letting out a relieved sigh. he flew over the gate to the nightwing kingdom, blocking out the guards call for him to stop and say his name. they won’t go after him anyway. they’re just as dumb as his little brother, Cavescraper. as he settled down his wings to land, he looked at some of the live stalk Neckcracker had got. they were so small compared to dragons… “phewny things, not even fighting back,” he said, and with that, he turned his head around, swished his tail, and went inside. “sweet heart! how are you? did you use your magic today?” his mother asked,while on the cave floor reading a scroll. “nope,” he said. he looked through the carved window Cavescraper made, and saw the live stalk. then he got a idea. “I didn’t use magic today… but I’ve had a great idea!”Preyhunter said, his mouth widening bigger then the last time he had a whale. “well, I mean I just came up with it, so I cause I didn’t have it for long, but I don’t care!” Thought Preyhunter, just wanting to say his idea. “oh, and what is it?” his mother asked, still reading a scroll. “ya know how are live stalk here are way to small? what if I cast a spell to make them big!” he said. “all the animals!?” his mother asked, shook. “no! that would take WAY to much magic. how about the animals here,I make them big animals, and say whenever they give birth, those animals will grow up to be as big as them!” Preyhunter said proudly, liking his idea. “do what you want honey, I’m not interfering,” his mother said, looking back down at her scroll. “DONT DO IT IN THE CAVE THOUGH!ONE WRONG MOVE OF THAT SPELL AND YOU MIGHT SET THIS CAVE ON FIRE!” his mother shouted as Preyhunter walked off. Preyhunter went outside, and started to think of it. he touched all the live stalk, and said… “I want all of the animals I just touched to become half way to dragon size, no fighting back dragons, and when they give birth, they give birth to 50. those 50 babies will grow up to be as big as their mother and father. and when the babies grow up, they will make a huge family who will spread across the world,” he said, finally stopping his words and taking a deep breath. after a minute, nothing happened. but then Miss’Grass the pig grew bigger, and bigger, and was almost Preyhunter size. same with all the animals. “IT WORKED!” he shouted in thrill. “I OFFICIALLY CONSIDER MYSELF AS A MINDREADER BRAIN!” he shouted, running back home in bizarre. “I did it!” he shouted. “I did it!” he said again. but his mother looked disappointed. “I was expecting you to think about it, not just go and do it.” she sighed, “you go off and do things without thinking about it. think of the consequences! how are baby dragonets gonna be able to even catch a chicken!” his mother sighed. “but I guess having bigger prey is better then before,I suppose,” his mother said. right then and there, Preyhunter felt power hunger for some reason, he looked at his claws, “I hold power. why do just this?” he thought, but then Missedout came in. “MOM! I MADE FRUIT BIG!” she shouted excitedly. ask me any questions you like!

[@catnip4801]

The cow one, kinda makes sense bc they are still tiny dragonets

[@ChaosEnthusiast]

i remember looking at the rainforest for the first time in the graphic novels and im like "why's that toucan so big?"

[@lucid5017]

For the egg thing, I could be wrong but the whole point of eggs is that they contain a kind of water/liquid like substance to keep the baby in place. With this wet substance when Peril and Sky were born they would come out wet. With this mabye it would take longer for Peril’s firescales to kick in, also fire requires at least 16 percent of oxygen content to burn so that could be why she didn’t burn him when they were hatching or in the egg together. 🤷‍♀️

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

That would actually make the most sense ngl

[@RaginiSR]

Well though it isn’t consistent in the books I imagine a dragon is the size of two sofas. But dragonets are so small that scavengers can lift them. And the eating whales part that means like an entire party eating a whale not one dragon. And there must be a lot of oxygen to support the dragons in the atmosphere and this usually makes fruits large. Like how leaf says that Rowan handed him a blueberry the size of his head.

[@TheUltimateDorito]

Idk if anyones mentioned this, but the dream jewels (I’m so sorry I cannot remember their names) that darkstalker gave to his friends where dragon sized, like almost a small book in our hands I imagine. But in the cover of Dragonslayer, the jewel is tiny? Scavenger sized? That could be lost easily, and when we see in the graphic novel when Starflight uses the jewel, it’s dragon sized?? Idk that’s just something that’s bothered be for a while..

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

That's really odd--

[@beingweirdisnormal8409]

I noticed it also. And they're called Dreamvisitors, if you wanted to know! It confused me, as well.

[@redraptorx1066]

i headcannon the size difference deal as an animus got board one day and didn't like the idea of eating meat all the time so they made fruit(and other foods) bigger.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Ooh!

[@laughsingay]

One of my things: in book 13, Bumblebee is big enough to throw off Cricket's balance and cover Sundew's entire face with her body, but in book 14, I believe Daffodil? is playing with Bumblebee in a way that would suggest she is the size of a *human* baby or toddler sooooo yeah that makes no sense.

[@ursamajor7]

Best explanation I have in my mind for the food thing is to just ignore the drawing of Smolder and Flower. Pretend that scavengers are actually bigger, or dragons are smaller, either way the food can be regular size

[@audreysbooks2]

What about bugs, ants etc.? Scavengers must see those large, even though they’re still tiny. How big would a pray-mantis be? If ants are like dots to us, how big would they be to dragons? I’ve thought about that a lot and just don’t know how to figure it out.

[@GHShadowWell]

I agree with all of this even if some of it is just knit picking, I also laughed the entire time, I don't know why

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

XD

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

I probably sounded crazy lol

[@flatmarssociety3664]

Onyx could have been teacher like you said or Tui could have made her a dragonet, All she had to do was take the original SmolderxPalm story and replace all the Oasis moments with Burn. This fits with Burns personality as preventing Heirs would be safer for her and she’s supposed to be cruel but also fixes the problem

[@transnewt]

Sometimes it’s hard to keep old facts together. Such as the size chart, or the age gaps.

[@Dogloverlikesdoge]

Yeah, I definitely would have done way worse than Tui lol It's very understandable with such a large world like this

[@Chuuyanakahara701]

The fruit in Pyrrhia and Pantala are over-sized to cope with the dragons that live there, Either that or the humans there are smaller than us. And I think they specifically bred the food to be bigger also to cope with their hunger

[@orenjinokawa]

I think I have an explanation for the fruit sizing problem.. maybe the fruit in the rainforest/anywhere where dragons are are giant, or maybe the scavengers grow their own human sized fruit, and smolders scavenger , idk, or maybe fruit just grows in different sizes, like the rainwings only eat the dragon sized fruit, and same thing but with scavengers

[@CaramelCoyote]

For the sizing part, I think it was a mistake that Rose ate a small banana because another huge sized fruit or “dragon-sized” was during Moon Rising when there was a blueberry the size of a human hand.