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[@jeffcronch5234]

Basket height also changes the way the basket can catch the disc. It’s basically taking a good basket and making it function like a bad basket.

[@DrewGibson]

“It’s the same for everyone” 😂😂😂😂

[@jeffcronch5234]

They may as well just replace all the pro tour baskets with precision practice baskets at this point. I’ve actually heard people wanting that. Incredible throw-ins like the Holy Shot literally would not have happened on those baskets.

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

​@@DrewGibson, I know, right? 6' 6" Gannon Buhr and 5' 3" Ohn Scoggins are both affected the same by an elevated basket. Right....

[@jeffcronch5234]

“Too close to putt but too far to be inbounds.” This is such a good point. I’m seeing so many weird designs hitting the circle. I saw one course someone designed where the bullseye was literally carved out and made a sandpit hazard. Gimmicky and seemingly designed to force c2 putts. Why design to punish the accuracy off the tee to take a putt out of the equation? It’s damn impressive to park a bullseye.

[@DrewGibson]

Because they can’t design a hole worth a damn without adding gimmicks.

[@jeffcronch5234]

The number of players defending it was weird too. They are like, “just throw shorter” at which point you are lucky to land in circle at all without skipping into the hazard or ground play making it C2. Pure flukey play. Pro averages from c2 are like 33%, so they expect casuals to just take a very low putting average for the occasional birdie, but most likely bogey because of a missed putt? Blew my mind.

[@micdavey]

There's a hole like that at one of my local courses too. It's ridiculous.

[@mortensandorff7135]

oh you saw a hole where the bulls eye was to smashed by traffic so a clever guy put sand instead. Thats a good idea (y)

[@woodwindfixer9248]

PDGA will never take it seriously when the chairman of the board is the biggest double dipper out there.

[@aslan-og]

The sport only gets better by addressing issues, thanks for raising awareness!

[@games_discgolf]

I think you said it best with "gimmicky" no sport that wants to be taken at a professional level should have a gimmick.

[@DrewGibson]

It’s a lack of creativity in design that forces people to do stuff like that.

[@gnarlymage]

Hey Drew I was the check in person at DGLO and so many people didn't give me time of day, but you were one of the really kind people. I am no longer a fan of a lot of the pros after my interactions with them, but I am even more of a fan of yours.

[@DrewGibson]

Love to hear it man. We’re all just humans. Without people like you we wouldn’t have events to play.

[@andrew.herron]

Yikes dude. Their job is to play disc golf, your job is to check them in. It's one thing to say thanks to Drew for saying something to you, but to say you're no longer a fan because a player didn't meet your expectations? Hope you find something better to do next year for DGLO.

[@gnarlymage]

@@andrew.herron based on how they treat human beings in normal every day interactions is a pretty reasonable way to gauge a person to me. Thanks for being a douche 🙄

[@chrisvanescobar]

The people who said you shouldn't be on the PDGA board were flat out wrong.

[@DrewGibson]

No they were 100% correct. Those people don’t want to change and it’d be a waste of my time.

[@christophersutherland]

TD of Ledgestone = PDGA Board of Directors President... Wonder why they get a tee pad waiver?

[@DrewGibson]

You said it not me 😂

[@Munchylego]

Heinold is too arrogant and close-minded to listen to anyone.

[@earlthomas6295]

I mean it's probably the hugest conflict of interest in the whole sport

[@tjg555]

I'll be honest--I like your "complaining" videos more than anything you've ever made on a course. I like to watch my favorite pros play disc golf, it's true--but the things you say and the points you raise are REAL ISSUES that affect the sport I love. Like this one, many of them are issues that would never affect me as a player, and as a result I never even knew about. You're trying to improve the sport in important ways. Your style is sometimes abrasive, but no one ever got anything done with cookies and soda pop. You have to be tough and confident to say the things you say in the way that you say them, and the PDGA and others need to listen. COUGH COUGH

[@BlaPunked-wn6ww]

Drew you are correct. I was a disc golfer since the early nineties. I am now 58 years old and due to the growth of the sport I am now able to enjoy it as a spectator. It's amazing how much the sport has grown. As it grows into the future there will definitely be growing pains. Please continue to help shape disc golf for those of us who enjoy it mostly as a spectator sport.

[@missedmandodg]

I always look forward to these videos. It really helps bring light to the "little things" that the average viewer may not notice. Thanks Drew!

[@averagegamer1911]

reminds me of the tournament were Simon intentionally threw ob over the island to take an easy par instead of trying to play the hole

[@Levitate1722]

I love these types of videos you do Drew! Hats off to you. Never be discouraged if anyone tries to talk you down, you are being constructive and trying to grow the sport, not talking shit on anybody. In my mind just like these things with open courses and 4 feet from the basket is OB, I really hate woodsy courses were there is a big ass tree or a freakin bush in my face, ass or thorns.. were i cant put my feet in that's INSIDE THE CIRCLE C1 ?! Wait whaaat ?? Have you ever seen a golf green where you cant put your feet on the ground, or a tree in the middle between you and the hole ? xD Honest opinion C1 should always be fully cleared with NO obstacles in the way or OB inside or whatever other thing it may be. C2 though that's where we can have a debate on wether it should be or not. I might get hate on me for this we will see, but i really feel like we should invent these smaller practice basket as the new standard. Because even though it shouldnt be just like golf, and it still will never come close to it, but that people can hit with more than 50% accuracy on 20 m (60 feet) putts is just insane. Maybe thats why it's also very difficult to make the course designs challenging. Because making a 60 footer aint that special anymore, it should be a 80 footer to really be an outstanding putt these days it feels like imo. Also what i found so odd since my early discgolf journey is that pros say C1 should be a 100% make. I dont really understand how or why, i mean the bullseye should be gimmie but not everything inside 10 m (30 footer). With smaller baskets C1 will be your lets say 75-90% make and C2 becomes where you make oustanding putts. In this way, your tee shot will need to be more accurate and cant get away with a "decent" shot. And therefore you wont need to make the greens the way they are now So then we can get to the next point, i love wood courses but maaaaan, when the gaps is like 2 meter wide (or even that) all the way and like 90 meter long hole with trees everywhere if you hit just one.. jez. Just how does that make any sense compared to golf, you shot is of my 5 meters oh boi now your of fairway and need to pitch out.. xD I feel like the woodsy courses should be like mostly how the holes are at Mcbeths New london tech, BUT with an improvement. The trees on both sides of the fairways can only be 1-2 meter in width (if you understand what i mean) and make smaller "off fairways" on both sides of the main fairway. Were the off fairways are 2 meters wide for example and maybe it needs to be double mando at the start idk. In case this made any sense to yall reading.. but yeah that's what i hope discgolf "standards" will be one day ^^

[@Lavaflow1000]

So many great points but the one that should be shouted the loudest is TD's changing equipment. Until there are standard tee pads and baskets for all pro events (like every other sport. Nobody changes the hole size you putt in in golf or the tee off area.) It will be a challenge to continue to grow the sport.

[@ryanmussell739]

100%

[@Unknown-rb3ip]

I feel you on the standardization. You have to remember how poor this sport is. The short term answer is for the DGPT to bring standardized teepads and baskets with them to each course.

[@anitabonghit266]

This comment right here goes against this isn’t ball golf. Since this isn’t ball golf and in golf green speeds change how you putt. Since our discs don’t roll on the ground the only option we have is to change how the baskets catch. You can do that by changing the height, size, number of chains.

[@Chris.Davies]

Rampant artificial OB and OB next to baskets says a lot about a course designer. It says, "I ran out of talent and skill at the same time."

[@booknikYT]

Here is my solution to boring and unfair design. Get off the golf courses and get back to the woods. You dont need spectators on every hole. Have bleachers and byo chairs on hole 1, 18, and pick two or three signature holes for spectators. No more random groups of spectators throughout the courase. You want to see what happens on everyhole, get a VIP pass to follow the cards. Also, enforce it. If you dont have a VIP pass, you're not following. You didnt pay for bleachers, you aint sitting. The tourney makes money, we get more awesome wooded courses, its a win/win. I am not watching 8 rounds at DGLO unless I want to catch up on some sleep. I'll watch as many rounds at Maple Hill or Northwoods i can get

[@mogotti3]

They also need to stop letting fans sit right next to the out of bounds line. How many shots have we seen hit a fan this year that would have ended up in bounds.

[@Unknown-rb3ip]

@@mogotti3 You to have to understand, your sport, at the professional level, has changed, forever. Its not going back to the way it was. The players need to change their game plans based on where the spectators are stationed. If you are throwing over OB, where fans are at, then that risk is on the player. Crying about it is lame.

[@johnmitchum724]

It's not the responsibility of the players to ensure the safety of the spectators. That is the job of the TD and the PDGA​@@Unknown-rb3ip

[@cirkuslizard8697]

There is a lack of excitement in any live sport with few spectators. Live disc golf is more fun with filled fairways or groups following a card. There are trade offs to that of course. Northwoods might be fun to watch on coverage, but is terrible in person.

[@dothisforfun]

The basket on a mountain thing had me cracking up. Totally agree with the statements. Let's work on quality and fairness in the sport 💪

[@Unknown-rb3ip]

WHen its done i Europe, its OK though, right?

[@discgolflife]

I agree with Drew! He explains a lot of what I've noticed in detail. 👏. Hopefully the PDGA and pro tour in general get with it!

[@chadmoore3330]

Shrink C1 down to 20-25’. That becomes the “green”. No obstructions or ob on the green. Use a smaller target like the DD marksman or MVP precision.

[@thisissostupidqsdfva]

Thank you Drew. Always value your opinions keeping it real. I also just really enjoy your play style and variety of cool discs. Cheers

[@reedmecum8966]

Stay diligent drew, greatest game that’s getting better every day Traditional golf is not bogged down with OB, it’s used but not like disc golf.

[@Thatscreamygood]

Completely agree with you with everything. Watching gimmicky golf is NOT entertaining to me at all. BUT you didn't mention cost at all and I believe that is almost the sole contributor to the quality of these courses. Time and effort can only do so much to improve Pro level courses. Designing/Redesigning new and existing courses (w/out gimmicks) costs WAY too much that the sport as a whole just doesn't have yet. I wish it wasn't always about money...

[@Davedoesthat]

Ge'em! Spot on.

[@najssiness]

Really good points, havent thought of standardizing basket placement and stuff

[@bradlasseigne8436]

I think the best part about the 5 different teepads at eureka is some are painted on the sidewalk...but a certain pro i was with went ob technically according to the tee sign but the sidewalk wasn't painted or roped there, played provisional and at the end of the round nate said it was still ob because they weren't allowed to paint the sidewalks.....but they were already painted in other spots.....needless to say they got some temporary chalk line there right after we brought up the point.

[@longway2pro]

Haha Nate Heinold just got roasted. Here's an idea - make disc golf "greens" shaped differently, kind of like golf greens. The disc golf "green" can be any dimension up to 99 feet, but the "green" must be fully clear of obstacles. When you're on the "green" you cannot step putt or jump putt. This means, that on a "green" that is 66' long, you'll have to standstill. That way, you can potentially have obstructed jump putts from 25 feet potentially. People like Brodie and the Foundation guys are always talking about making putting harder, and that might be a way to do it. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that.

[@thomascael2104]

Thank you very much for speaking your mind and sharing your thoughts. I find your videos very educational and interesting. IMO the best disc golf content 🫶

[@jose.discgolf]

Hundred percent agree. If the sport wants to grow there has to be a standard and set of rules for everyone to follow. Loved the sport analogies.

[@Unknown-rb3ip]

I think the DGPT should be buying up land outside of selected smaller cities and start building their own courses. Hook them up with fan and filming capabilities. If I was running it, thats what I would do. They can get you pros to help design the courses.

[@BryceRogers_]

Been thinking about this a lot lately too. You have the voice so please keep speaking it. Also, I know you have aspirations to design courses. By all means, that is what we need! We do NOT need 'more' courses... we need BETTER-DESIGNED courses. That's how we grow and thrive sustainably. You are right about the points made today. One thing disc golf needs to consider is how can we create the same affect of a "textured, hilly putting green" like in traditional golf. That's what separates the best from the mediocre on the PGA tour. How close can I put myself to negate the need for a 20 foot putt. In disc golf, generally speaking our air space is the same column of air that is above C1 and C2... there needs to be restrictions (hint: trees) in the airspace, not hills on the ground. Because our putts don't travel on the ground as they do in ball golf. If we don't start forcing a need to approach and "wedge-in" then our courses will keep getting trivialized by strong arms and even better C2 putters. Sure it's exciting, but it's increasingly less impressive to see a 60 foot putt if there is nothing in the way. It's a risk-taking fest instead of an exercise in keen golf.

[@BryceRogers_]

In traditional golf, a measured, tactical two-putt is smart golf generally. In disc golf, 2-putts means poor practice. Our courses need to evolve with the growth of our sport. And we are ready / due for some more legendary courses which take our sport to new echelons.

[@mikethomas5451]

You nailed this pretty much perfectly Drew.

[@a_macaulay]

I believe they should standardize on just one basket design with an open license that multiple manufacturers can build.

[@tjg555]

Those trick putts you talk about are great when it's Jeremy and 3 pros "competing" on invented holes inside a gym or a book store or whatever. They have no place on a pro tour course. These pros don't practice for hours a day every day for years and years so that they can be called out when throwing a shot 8' from the basket into the wind. In any observer's mind, that's a great shot--not one that should be penalized because 15% of the green is "out of bounds".

[@woodwindfixer9248]

Excellent point on the imposed height of baskets approved for set parameters.

[@TheTechnatron]

I've been a strong advocate for this for a long time. Tone polls are simply better for the sport overall. The key thing is to avoid any spit outs.

[@Banana16386]

What is a tone pole?

[@TheTechnatron]

@@Banana16386 A tone pole, also known as a tonal, is an alternative target used in disc golf. Unlike the traditional basket with chains, a tone pole is designed to make a distinct sound when hit by a disc. This sound helps players know they've hit the target, even from a distance or when the target isn't visible.

[@rubylong8897]

On point & totally agree my friend! 🥏⛓💥💚

[@LocalRoutePhoto]

In your opinion, who would be the ideal “official course designer”?

[@Levitate1722]

Mcbeth hands down, i loved the course he did the New London tech. The way he designed the holes, with variation between open and woodsy holes. In the woodsy holes there is a BIG fairway with GRASS in between the trees and THAT makes the woodsy holes soooo beautiful and what makes discgolf so special. If you dont have the distance AND accuracy to go for a birdie on some holes, then you play it for par (or go back and improve/change your form so that you can birdie it one day) as it should be. Just needs to fix the smaller pure wood holes (aka the par 3s) with smaller "off fairways" on both sides of the main fairway. I wrote my take on how to do it here in the comments

[@DrewGibson]

Maybe the guy who has like five of the best courses in our country, John Houck!

[@LocalRoutePhoto]

@@DrewGibson so I’ve never played a houck course, but I’ve heard many of his interviews. I agree with everything he stands for when it comes to course design. I’m super excited that we are going to have a Houck course in ct in the near future. I walked the property a few weeks back, and I can confidently say this track will have one of the coolest disc golf holes I’ve ever seen

[@reedmecum8966]

@@DrewGibson John houck and David McCormack are the best designs that I’ve played, both of them are at another level. Harmony bends and eagles crossing are the best, both in Missouri

[@edgarpung5843]

Thanks for speaking up for everyone with any sense. Great video all reasonable and true. Ivy Hill was a disaster of a course. I only watched the final round of the 3 rounds at worlds this year. I really like the idea of majors and other prestigious events being held at two separate courses. One technical woods course and one more open ‘bomber’ style course.

[@natemaas1982]

He always just complains. He sucks. Whatever… Anyone who actually believes that is not paying attention. Keeping it real Drew, thanks!

[@brianhendriks1257]

I can’t wait until you’re back at the top of the leaderboards again. You’re too talented to not be. Keep after it!

[@EnjoySynths]

This is the video I needed, as a serious fan of the sport, to see. Rational, logical, and fair arguments with real examples of poor quality control. I play a couple times a year, but I watch every tournament. I want it to be better. From commentary and coverage, course design, etiquette, to tournament standards and amenities… need to be better. And unfortunately, I think a lot of the people running disc golf need to move on for it to get to the next level of sporting legitimacy.

[@DustinDills-yf6uy]

You have so many good points bro!! They've changed the game so much since I played tournament golf but I've been watching lately and I'm like great shot but they definitely don't want the ace runs with obs 15ft behind the basket. Everyone plays some tee and the same baskets easy or hard there's a lot of good shots that are obs by ropes

[@theLizardof0z]

Funny you mention "just move the hole back", as that is EXACTLY what Doss and Sexton suggested doing to several holes on coverage today. ....this hole is outdated and too easy. We shouldnt have 60% birdie rates. We should have 40% birdie rates, so the basket needs moved back another 70 feet....

[@averagegamer1911]

only tournament ive played with water on the course is top of the pines at wilderness ranch but they also run food trucks and have permanent bathrooms on course as well

[@aaronmayhew2.0]

RPM Helix baskets would be an excellent standard basket

[@Saculmit]

New drinking game. Drink every time Drew uses air quotes!

[@aaronhackett5889]

Love these vids.

[@JonathanGeiman]

All great points. I don’t think there was anything you were off base on.

[@paulschneider2856]

Appreciate your opinion and honest takes. STL has a huge capacity of courses but they are pretty much all mid with so many flaws. Hence why I believe a pro tour event will never crack STL despite it being partially a Mecca in the region.

[@paulschneider2856]

Not to mention our basket issue with gateway Titans

[@andyeuler8928]

Drew ur not complaining ur just telling mfers the way it is...ur 100% right. If our sport is going to grow it has to have standards and as of right now it does not

[@BookieCrook]

One of the rules should be to not let Nate Heinold just do whatever he wants.

[@rodeo_cwboy]

Ledgestone is infallible.. till you get rid of that one "person."

[@cirkuslizard8697]

The answer to all of these is probably money. Money in the sport will allow more innovation, time and tools to make better courses. Money will never be in the sport when a vast majority of disc golfers don’t want to pay for anything. DGN, UDisc, pay for play courses or state greed is the reason anyone tries to make a return on investment in disc golf.

[@Van_bya_river]

Why not start removing links in the basket if we are changing the height of them. Or have baskets like the one where Coreys fell out the bottom? I do think tho there should be some ability to raise the basket. We are different from other sports where we can do that.

[@danielmarks2625]

I have thought for awhile that there needs to be standards for disc golf design like there are certain standards for ball golf courses.

[@CornDogDG]

Europe is the future. The great courses here in the states the disc golf pro tour doesn’t even play at hardly. It’s just going to hold the sport back.

[@todward3295]

Facts problem is European disc golfers are so much worse and they’re the ones who play the courses more

[@joedeur144]

So you don't think there should be elevated baskets and just have the standard PDGA required basket height? I do like the idea of a elevated basket, but there should be a standard max height allowed.

[@WolfNasty419]

Fair because we all have to do it... doesn't make it fair...Niklas got robbed for being good

[@stuartschwenke6656]

It does seem that the DGPT (as a governing body within the PDGA) has lost focus on the sport and the competitors. It has competing values that do not align to improve the level of competition and spectator value. And player reactions become amplified in a community that actually participates in the sport. I hope it does not lead to a division.

[@austinthrowsstuff]

I think you should focus on your disc golf game only. I see your golf clubs and I know you have other things. But there is a reason Gannon who has no GF and the most motivation is winning. There is a reason Paul was winning when he was putting at 5am all off season. I’m a big fan and I want you to win

[@max1cp]

Man you are so correct about all this. As someone who's a big fan of sports in general, DiscGolf is becoming more and more boring, fake, and artificial. Let the game be more natural. Stop with all the made-up bs rules. It's too much.

[@alwolschleger7242]

Drew, I think you're right on the money with the course design commentary. You talk about the pro tour being the strongest avenue to growing the sport, but honestly, I've watched less this year than since I started playing. Frankly, the courses that you're playing on just don't look fun, and they're not fun to watch. It's not fun watching zillions of rope lines in a big open golf course trying to work out if this or that shot is good or going to be OB. Idlewild is way more enjoyable to watch than Worlds at Jones Supreme (2022) was, and Idlewild is way way more fun to play than Jones Supreme was (the course that was so bad they immediately converted that park back to 2 courses and pulled it from tour entirely). I'll use DGLO from 2023 and this year as examples. Last year, Eagle got punished by a couple of fluky rolls into OB that cost him the tournament, and it did not feel like we were watching top-level disc golf. This year, I was spectating and saw in person Calvin in that thick brush on hole 11; it was cool to see him scramble at that level and make something out of that shot, and I'd like to see less OB and more scrambling on tour. And yes, if you mess up your tee shot but can scramble to save the hole, you should be rewarded for that. To be fair, Calvin's shot was possible because it was lead card and there were a dozen people on the case finding that disc; not convinced 4 players and 1-2 spotters would have come out with it in 3-5 minutes. And that's ok too; throw the provisional and figure it out from there.

[@zackyproy]

Drew what do you think of the Green on Hole 18 at Faylor Lake, it was somewhat controversial this past weekend. There were a few eagles, as well as 62% of the field taking double bogey or worse. It’s on GK pro this past week if you haven’t seen

[@MrBubblelips]

Agree

[@ParadoxAssassin]

Hey Drew, appreciate your perspective and have a question. What ever came of your application for PDGA board of directors this year? You weren’t on the ballot, so I’m curious if there was a reason that you received.

[@Van_bya_river]

Nate should not be able to double dip. He is one of the biggest problems. If it benefits his bottom line he’s ok with it. Your example of the tee pads is a Prime example

[@Atheum]

What if it doesn't change Drew? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, Big Jerm's recent video touches on that. Do you also find yourself more sore now then ever on these courses? I don't think you're complaining, but more like constructive critisim because you care. Perhaps some of the pro's are shy or a little scared to come forward publicly because of different reasons. Disc Golf needs you Drew!

[@Rex-ov7vp]

Keep your voice loud. Always reasonable.

[@justinbruner7661]

All of these things are happening because the sport looks too easy to the viewers when guys are shooting -16 in the playoffs. I agree with all you're saying so whats the change that needs to happen. Seems easy to me...the basket has to get smaller in order to make putting harder. Thats why og golf is much harder. Its the greens and the putting. Golfers are hitting the ball farther and straighter but putting is still what wins tournaments....because its hard

[@kman2906]

Many excellent points in this “rant” (Love the armchair rants by the way, definitely thought provoking) Only disagreement I may have is in regards to your comment… “ You don’t see other sports affect the equipment, there’s no other sport played that instead of making (it) the hole better they mess with the equipment” I kind of feel like basket height isn’t necessarily messing with the equipment, but where you put the equipment Every baseball stadium has a “Wall” for home runs to conquer, but how many of them are the same height or distant from home plate? So I get that the basket itself might be legal, but the position or height of the basket is up to the course designer. And they should be held accountable for whether it’s a Quality or Poor placement. Keep making Your content, I’ll keep clicking the moment I see it”s available!

[@DrewGibson]

It is effecting the equipment due to the angles the putt is thrown into the chains effects the ability for the target to catch it. A putt going vastly downhill has a better chance of staying on than a putt going vastly uphill…. Wanna know why I know besides my thousands of hours of putting? BECAUSE if lowering the target made it easier people would lower them not hike them up on a pedestal.

[@Boucher702]

i dont think they have enough pro players making courses and understanding what players want during a tournament. OB shouldn't effect good shots

[@mitch-a3011]

Someone will complain no matter what.

[@todward3295]

Yah and this isn’t it

[@todward3295]

This is super useful

[@wtforce5512]

I believe there should be someone NOT the PDGA and NOT DGN to uphold this. Ideally led by a player/players otherwise there’s literally no one else that holds enough authority to make these circus clowns move an inch let alone the extra mile.

[@YashaKoman]

I get irritated when there’s OB right by the basket, especially man made OB.

[@rudys_outdoor_life]

I don’t think there should be OB in the green or 66 ft of the basket. I also think jump putting should be out side of 66ft only

[@DrewGibson]

See we disagree there but I think the bullseyes aren’t a place for OB

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

Back in the '90s, it was in the PDGA rules that there could be no OB or major obstacles within 10 feet of the basket. This rule should be brought back.

[@claudbutton8068]

Even if i disagree with some of your opinions (none in this video) I for one am always glad to see you voice your opinion. Now, i love wooded courses more than most anyone and think it is the true natire of the sport (if you disagree obviously that is alright). Is there one wooded course out there that you would say was maybe not perfect but your thought of a perfect wooded course? Or do you think open is the way to be? I like faylor lake what i have played and new lonson seems great for what i have seen.

[@tonykaze]

Raised baskets are pure cancer, OB in circle one is garbage. I empathize with designers struggling to design courses that are challenging and fair especially with FPO and Masters+ in mind, but sheesh, the gimmicks are just not good sport.

[@austinrush1473]

Drew Gibson W

[@deadstarr7]

im fairly new to disc golf. just got into watching pro events this year started throwing last year taking it seriously this year... from an outsider perspective it seems sad and almost embarassing that some of these issues exists.. including but not limited to why arent there officials to decide in bounds foot faults etc.. that being left to the player is a recipe for disaster to the point players feel bad or like they shouldnt make a call and that makes for poor competition. the fact that there isnt a clarified rule set is embarassing. the coverage outside of jomez is embarassing and shoddy. the fact that there isnt a standardized basket (which you will find in every other competative sport) is embarassing.

[@SpinandThrowDiscGolf]

Pro Tour will be the ruin of disc golf. Disc golf was always local. It grew from the local community. Large tournaments were large because of the local community embraced the event. Centralizing control into some third party is the opposite of the spirit of disc golf as it was founded. And it is simply a way to consolidate all the rewards into a singular group of people making it easier for someone to come in and completely take it over. Just hide and watch. Someone from the outside who doesn't give a crap about disc golf is going to come in and buy the pro tour out and turn it into something completely not disc golf at all. In fact that already happened after COVID. No one seems to have noticed.

[@Munchylego]

I feel like a solid pro tour is exciting and great for disc golf. Why wouldn’t it be? There will always be the local communities with packed C and B tier tournaments and lots of doubles leagues and local leagues. It’s still a big part, if not the biggest part, of the sport. I do agree though, that it seems like some of the PDGA folks have little to no interest in the community or the pros or anything that doesn’t benefit themselves.

[@jeffnarum1373]

I hate artificial OB and obstacles (mozzarella sticks)

[@mortensandorff7135]

Did you never really watch golf? They spoil course design and holes with ridiculous pin placements and with how bunkers and mounds are placed as the green is not a 10 meter circle. A basket on a hill has many equivalents in golf.... The stimp does the same in certain instances. You hit a perfect putt but the ball rolls 10-15 meters away or off the green or even in water. You know this... Also a lot of suddenly revered courses were designed 80-100 years ago by people just winging it. The design are still terrible - but oh, they are classics by Tillinghast, Ross, MacKenzie bla bla bla. I 1975 only 2 books on golf course design existed..... You are just plain wrong....there are many design complaints in golf too You just want 10 meter free and easy putt every time.....this never happens in golf... You are not getting penalized - you just have a challenge - it's sports, right...

[@NickDangerThirdGuy]

I would like to see "luck" taken out of course design, and replaced by skill. Hitting a small gap is skill is a skill, having to find your way through tiny little trees at 200 feet, or avoiding ghost branches in a low ceiling is hit or miss luck.

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

No, it shouldn't be taken out, but it should be minimized as much as controllably possible. It should, however, be removed from the putting green.

[@NickDangerThirdGuy]

@@MichaelSweet-nn5bg Yeah, A distinction without a difference.

[@montebirdie]

Hole 14 at Worlds was just stupid.

[@tasslehoffburrfoot7056]

You say what you want bro. It’s still America

[@DrewGibson]

Tell others that

[@tasslehoffburrfoot7056]

@@DrewGibson​​⁠ my point is what does it matter what the haters say. They’re gonna spew hate either way. You still have a voice and it matters

[@sladebygaming]

The courses are slowly trending towards mini-golf right now and it feels so unnecessary. Mini-golf is fun but I don't want to watch the pro's play mini-golf every week.

[@eoghana315]

I don't think you could have made more bad takes in one video. The vast amount of money in disc golf is from weekend chuckers who have no effing clue the pro tour exists so the last thing the pdga should do is focus more on the pro game in spite of the amateur base. Course design is massively subjective and you're acting like it's not. There are very few properties that will satisfy all conditions of a) having signal b) challenge pros without using artificial OB AND have scoring separation and c) logistically host spectators and vendors. Your course design complaints stem from the DGPT sacrificing point b for points a and c.

[@mindful_clip]

Drew.. plenty of my friends.. play disc golf .. buy a shit load of discs... But do not watch pros.. at all. They watch football, and other sports they can and do not play.. So.. i believe the selling of plastic.... that makes the sport grow. A tournament is an expense. Selling plastic is profit...

[@mindful_clip]

they use tournaments and players to market. but trust me they are looking at the RETURN ON INVESTMENT per player the sign. Selling plastic and using people to sell plastic = the only priority on vendor's minds.

[@logicgator]

You think the 18 down at WACO was a perfect round?

[@DrewGibson]

Well it was -18 right? The course was designed as a Par X and Paul shot 18 less than what it was designed to be. You think hole 18 is actually a par 3? If the course needs to “change” why don’t we actually “change” / design better holes not just change the par? Honest question. You have my phone number would be happy to chat.

[@logicgator]

A hole can be a good hole and the stated par can be incorrect. That doesn't change whether the hole is good or bad. It just means the par is wrong. Par for 99% of the dgers in the world is very different than dgpt card holders. We learned what the top 1% of players' par should be from previous years' stats. In the case of PMcB's 18 down, it just so happens we were planning on changing the par on the course that year, but all the dgpt assets had already been made and published/printed etc. So of course the 18 down happened that year 😂 Answer the question though. Do you think it was a perfect round?

[@tomasjeronimo5982]

let him cook

[@JKDG356]

How can the pdga take things more serious, when they don't give a damn about men in a women's field. They don't have constructive criticism within the board that make the decisions. I imagine a pen of hyenas chirping at each other when I imagine them coming up with rule changes.

[@Stin1]

Do you get retaliation from DGPT employees or TDs who run some of these events? Or is there an understanding of the conversations you're trying to start? Just curious if you're putting a target on your back w your opinions or if people getting salty. Doesn't seem like you gaf but yeah

[@DrewGibson]

After making my video about champions cup I magically had an 8am tee time at ledgestone. You tell me 😂

[@Munchylego]

Hay bails are a terrible look.

[@flickrguy]

I think it’s funny complaining about putting stats when not every card on the pro tour records stats. Oof.

[@BoTillman46480]

I love these videos cuz they are always a horribly non-discreet fuck you to Nate Heinold

[@icancloptothis]

HATE your complaint about the height of the basket. There's no difference from a raised target vs putting it on a hill.

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

Wrong.

[@icancloptothis]

@@MichaelSweet-nn5bg go on

[@DGDumpsterFire]

The pros are not the only thing growing the game. You know what I've done more this year over watching? Playing and I didn't care that I missed tournaments. It's not the pros that grow the game dude. I hate to break it to you. But there's a lot of us who appreciate the tour but certainly doesn't impact the love of the game if the pro tour disappeared tomorrow. I can still play and discs will still exist. And before you say that wouldn't happen. There were discs long before climo so I think you should stop patting yourself on the back. You're becoming a more insufferable brodie. I challenge you to make a video where you talk about the good things about the game. You have dozens complaining. Do 1 entire video where you have nothing but compliments. I don't think you could

[@DrewGibson]

Congrats on your comment. Hope you feel better now 😂😂😂

[@DGDumpsterFire]

@DrewGibson Yup.. Instead of discourse, you act like a douche. Just like Brodie... Makes sense. Good luck trying to cash the rest of your career while you cry about how the PDGA doesn't cater to you. You should change the title to "Sub par disc golfer cries again"

[@humanecentipede985]

Make your own course and show them how its done.... unless its not that easy. I dont know for sure but doubt these free or nearly free courses have the money to plant new trees or completely reroute the fairways.

[@mortensandorff7135]

Did you never really watch golf? They spoil course design and holes with ridiculous pin placements and with how bunkers and mounds are placed as the green is not a 10 meter circle. A basket on a hill has many equivalents in golf.... The stimp does the same in certain instances. You hit a perfect putt but the ball rolls 10-15 meters away or off the green or even in water. You know this... Also a lot of suddenly revered courses were designed 80-100 years ago by people just winging it. The design are still terrible - but oh, they are classics by Tillinghast, Ross, MacKenzie bla bla bla. I 1975 only 2 books on golf course design existed..... You are just plain wrong....there are many design complaints in golf too You just want 10 meter free and easy putt every time.....this never happens in golf... You are not getting penalized - you just have a challenge - it's sports, right...