Think twice before you buy the Flight Deck

[@WatchMysh]

The title is missing a "y". 🙈 It was late... very late... Corrections: - I accidentally called the gear lever a flap lever in the beginning - Clarification: The "additional throttle" is an axis which can be assigned to flaps or anything else (coolers, prop pitch, ...)

[@SirioAstarot]

I want to buy it, do you recommend it or is there something better?

[@WatchMysh]

@@SirioAstarot No. It's way to expensive for what it offers. If you want to invest 400 bucks, go for the WinWing Ursa Minor and the Orion2 throttle with a grip of your choice. It's leagues above the Flight Deck in terms of quality and precision. Or if you don't need twist get the Orion2/F16EX.

[@JimBobe]

Hello. I would like to buy this. Do you recommend?

[@WatchMysh]

@@JimBobe I recommend to watch the video

[@Ainar86]

This just confirms what I've been saying for a while already. Turtle Beach are the new Saitek of the sim space: amazing looks, good on paper, abysmal hardware and build quality that's not worth half the MSRP. Like it happened with Saitek though, I hope their emergence points the "pro" companies towards the direction current consumers are looking so we get even better stuff from them down the line.

[@WatchMysh]

Well said

[@WatchMysh]

@@Ainar86 this aged well. We got the Ursa Minor, as you might have noticed already. :) Now all that's missing is a matching throttle unit.

[@neoshi3796]

And they'll hopefully learn soon enough that the flight and space sim community is a no bs community when it comes up product quality. Those who skimp eventually lose their pants. It really didn't surprise me that saitek went bk after rmaing 4 x52s over a year. I got my money back from them luckily before they went bk. Still using my warthog till it goes belly up but got my money back on that too.

[@AnomalousVixel]

@@WatchMysh Depending on your application you can just get WinWing's Ursa Minor HOSAS set for less than $400, which is what I hope to do sooner or later. Twin angle grips is my platonic ideal for mecha.

[@viktorhobl6447]

Great review! I can 100% confirm all those mentioned things! I personaly had: - T-flight stick, T-Flight Hotas. No comment. Good for start thou. - Then i bought my first Saitek X52 Pro (it's Logitech X52 Pro now). This one served good but wear out quite soon and started to have more woble and freeplay on stick. - I tryed Saitek X56 Rhino for space combat. That one felt great with the weakest spring on the stick. But sadly the ergonomics are not great for my small hands. Sold that one too. - So i went to T16000 with throttle and even with pedals + one more stick to try HOSAS. In the end i decidet to sell it because of the gimble tension arround 0,0 and the overall build choices. - I went back to my second Logitech X52 Pro which i upgraded with magnets and lube and this one still serves well. Great ergonomy btw. Recently i bought this Turtle Beach Velocity flight deck. On the videos an reviews it look sooo good, but guess what. It's basicaly just shiny, more tech loaded and expensive T16000 with the same bad gimbal on stick. I literaly just send it back. From my point of view it's absolutely not worth the money. It feels like cheap base with tons of random good and bad addons. If there was only different gimble and more consistent quallity on all elements... It's so pitty, noone really tell's you abbout the gimbal and i saw so many reviews. I recomend to stay with the X52 Pro and save some money for VKB. At least that's what i'm doing right now. I really appreciate you honesty MYSH. Great work!

[@WatchMysh]

Hey mate. Thanks for the long and thorough comment. :) I don't know why some reviewers don't mention the gimbal. Maybe they don't know anything better than cup and ball and think it's the standard. Check out my hotas overview if you ever need a new set. I try to inform as honestly as possible. I'd suggest you should try out the VKB Gladiator if you're searching for the best price to performance. Otherwise I think a cam based stick would make you really really happy because they are monstrously precise around the center, especially with no center cams.

[@S1mon.276]

hey man I have a logitech x56 hotas I am thinking about selling it because it doesnt feel like in a real plane do u have any hotas with throttle quattren that u would suchest me (for the same price so about 200) thx

[@TheMNWolf]

Maybe it's a different kind of flight sim that I tend to do, but I can't imagine taking my eyes off the monitor to look at a display on the throttle or on the stick and that being a good decision.

[@WatchMysh]

Exactly. They should have rather ditched the touchscreen and put the saved money into a proper gimbal.

[@ReepsWasteOfTime]

Correct me if I am wrong but I swear my VKB nxt evo space combat edition has better placed buttons and seems to be better made.

[@WatchMysh]

The Gladiator sits two leagues above the Flight Deck in terms of build quality.

[@ReepsWasteOfTime]

@@WatchMysh And thanks to you I didn’t end up getting another low quality joystick. I would rather the thrust master MFD to a screen on the joystick but as a vr player, ideally, more games start making use of hand tracking would be cool (and save me money XD)

[@THX1138765]

Can confirm, my NXT is a game changer.

[@713deflorist]

thought the thumbnail was clickbait. Found an honest review. lol Appreciate it! 🙏 I was close to 'pulling the trigger' on this stick but the build stuff you pointed out would make me _insane_ Thank you for that. The journey continues

[@WatchMysh]

@@713deflorist lol thanks. I'm trying to specialize on "Baiting, but delivering". Check my 2023 hotas overview if you want. I'll post a new version in october or november, depending on how much new stuff comes out until then.

[@Xephyrra]

Another great review, hitting on all the important points. Love the new format as well!

[@WatchMysh]

Thanks! I just added "myself" to the mix. It's that what you mean?

[@Xephyrra]

@@WatchMyshYes, it's a nice change having someone talk to you. Also I thought you would be ugly since you didn't show your face before, but you're actually quite handsome!

[@WatchMysh]

@@Xephyrra lol thanks! Made my day. :D

[@M4rcom44]

I looked at all the reviews for this product including yours, I decided to buy it because I wasn't thinking the situation with the wheels axes of the throttle was not so terrible. Damn if I was wrong!!! The product is a complete disappointment! It's interesting because it's basically a T-16000 on steroids, but all its interesting features don't work properly on major simulators. I think this video can even expand on how bad this product is, and I am one of those who wanted to concretely try it! DON'T DO IT don't be fooled by the split throttle! I should have paid more attention to your point, but I really didn't realize that half the stuff didn't work at all, thanks for your effort!

[@WatchMysh]

Yes, it's really bad. That's why I more or less stopped the review in the middle. Things were only getting worse and worse.

[@meanmicro]

@@WatchMyshare you real I bought one and have not had an issue why is that, do you know what you are doing , what a poor review

[@WatchMysh]

@@meanmicro Every flaw is a tendency, not an absolute. It's the same with the X56: some units are fine, a lot of them are not. There's better stuff out there for the same price or even cheaper by now (Winwing Ursa Minor). I suggest (after you've finished venting) to take a dive into gimbal construction. You'll then understand my critique.

[@boneseyyl1060]

@@meanmicro Do you even understand what a review is? He isn't here to agree with your opinion just because you bought one. Nobody is saying it is terrible. The biggest knock against it is the quality versus the price. If you like all the bells and whistles and colors on it, that's great. But some people would prefer build quality and function over frills, for the price of this stick. If that ain't your cup of tea fine, do your own review, but don't come down on others for their own honest opinions.

[@Syntherios]

I bought one if these a few weeks ago and absolutely loved the ergonomics and customizable touch screen, but it just up and died on me a few days ago. The stick lights started flickering and it would randomly "reboot" like it became disconnected for a second, and a few days ago it just stopped working altogether. No lights, no detected input. Contacted Turtle Beach for an RMA and I'm literally about to leave my house to take the HOTAS to the post office and send it off. So now I have to suffer playing Elite Dangerous with a controller for the next couple of weeks. 😮‍💨

[@WatchMysh]

@@Syntherios eh, that's bad. Hope you'll least get a proper replacement and nothing refurbished.

[@bobbyd6680]

How was the customer service?

[@Qichar]

Thanks for the review. It's strange how only VKB and Virpal seem to understand: if you don't get the gimbal right, you might as well make a $50 stick. All those "features" don't matter if the gimbal is bad. At this price point (350), you can get the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO and Omni Throttle for dual stick flight. Mine arrives this Thursday. I'm glad I didn't get the Turtle Beach despite it looking quite nice. Since I want my sticks for VR, the aesthetics would have been wasted on me.

[@det.bullock4461]

Yup, just like I imagined. The "gamer" look and the touch screen were already a giveaway if you ask me.

[@WatchMysh]

Totally

[@jonservo]

It’s definitely worth taking the time to do in depth research and investing a bit more in these kind of peripherals. I got a pair of t16000m sticks a year or so ago and more recently the throttle and already have decided to spend the money to invest in the vkb gladiator premium for the right hand and Omni throttle for the left hand. The ball and cup gimbal in the thrustmaster worked fine for games like construction simulator but when using it to fly the center spring throws off fine control (though I did do the spring mod to the right stick). In the end I regretted not just saving up a little more and getting better gimbals from the start. This turtle beach flight deck seems like it’s the worst of all options going by reviews I’ve seen. $400 is expensive for such cheap construction, you’re paying for lights and fancy options (which don’t seem to work well) and sacrificing the most important part which is the gimbal. It’s a shame because I really like some of the design choices they made for this HOTAS. I love the indicators for the throttle positions, maybe not that important but it’s a neat touch in my opinion. If I do get another throttle it will probably the vkb stecs or something similar but I’ve decided it’s better to save and go for a better device for the long run instead of taking chances on the cheaper options

[@WatchMysh]

Exactly. Everything.

[@halopcdraco]

So in turn, getting VKB's is still better and at a lower cost then these. I currently have a Logitech x56 since Dec '23, as a gift it works fine but the stick squeaks when you move or twist it. The stick also needs better tensioning springs.

[@WatchMysh]

@@halopcdraco yep

[@renesakata1737]

I actually bought this Velocity HOTASS very cheap, hoping to get back into Space Sims. I think I have used every major brand out there before, including TM, Saitek, Logitech, Virpil and VKB. The most daunting thing for me was always, setting the HOTAS up in SC or ED. Unfortunately, no Sim dev cares about Turtlebeach, so there is no device support and I have to do all assignments manually. I have that thing for 2months now and still did not feel the mood to use it..haha. Something about it just doesnt sit right. I have also noticed that it has more physical buttons than you can assign. I mean you can click them, but they do not show up in Windows or Flight Hangar. Weird… also, the B1 button on the stick keeps falling off.

[@WatchMysh]

"Button keeps falling off" sums up the quality impression I had.

[@sneakyfildy]

got x52 pro for 100 euros a few weeks ago almost new, works great, but I want to add weight there and if possible decrease the tension near edges of a gimbal. Bought some counterweights used to balance car wheels, will try to stick them into the base/throttle XD VKB is practically unavailable in Europe, they offer 'air delivery' which results in smth like 250 euros only for a stick, crazy

[@WatchMysh]

VKB has an email notification for availability alerts. I've heard it works quite well. :)

[@sneakyfildy]

@@WatchMysh after I will break x52 during my attempts to modify it 😅

[@WatchMysh]

@@sneakyfildy lol. Don't kill it. The X52's problem is the center spring. But there surely are mods out there to soften it a little.

[@THX1138765]

That's not a crazy price for a well made stick. VKB sits several notches over Logitech and Thrustmaster. Look into Win Wing, might be easier to get and pricing is more transparent.

[@MrBlobfish2000]

Nice video! I am amazed by these looks and I'm looking to buy this one for €250 used. Would that be a good option, or should I go for the TM t.16000m or the TM TCA captain pack x airbus edition? I'm looking for one that's reliable and doesn't have a sticky center.

[@WatchMysh]

@@MrBlobfish2000 Winwing Ursa Minor + Throttle of your choice. If you don't need twist: Winwing Warthog Metal Hotas. The Flight Deck's quality sucks.

[@MrBlobfish2000]

@@WatchMysh sure? because I like the TCA ALOT because of the realistic (ish) throttle.

[@WatchMysh]

@@MrBlobfish2000 it uses the same gimbal as the t16000. The Ursa Minor copied the VKB Gladiator. It's a lot better. They also have an Airbus grip version.

[@MrBlobfish2000]

@@WatchMysh It's more about the throttle I was talking about

[@WatchMysh]

@@MrBlobfish2000 ok misunderstanding. I have no idea about the internals of the TCA throttle.

[@shyneus9773]

To think you could buy a WinWing Orion 2 throttle and stick for just £35 more than this. I love their F-16 throttle, been serving me well.

[@WatchMysh]

Here in Germany it's 15€ less for the WinWing kit

[@Oshia666]

Where? For the stick and throttle I see are £600+

[@shyneus9773]

@@Oshia666 The WinWing site. Orion 2 HOTAS metal warthog, to be specific. £411.85 Choosing their other grips are around £515 to £560. Plus with UK trade channel shipping is free still, I think.

[@Oshia666]

@@shyneus9773 No shipping, vat or import taxes? The last time I ordered abroad I was hit by all sorts of fee's and it upped the price a lot. I have the X52, I've had it for many years but the gimble is naff, it sticks and squeaks and minor adjustments are difficult. I was considering the Turtle Beach or the Warthog but if I can get the Orion 2 for the same price I sure as hell will.

[@shyneus9773]

@@Oshia666 If you use their UK site and order from the UK warehouses, no import or taxes. Shipping might still be free, unsure if that was temporary when they opened the UK stuff. I got my orion 2 with the f16 grips for ~500, no import or tax, no shipping cost. That was months ago tho

[@zoisbekios5239]

I pulled the trigger and gave this one a go, Im waiting for it to arrive tomorrow and now im seeing all the negative feedback. If i have any QC issues i may return it. I was mostly drawn by the sheer amount of controls available. This is admitably my first HOTAS system so the idea behind it was to have something that can adapt to all the different games i want to try with it, MSFS, Star Citizen (mostly), warthunder and maybe some BF2042. The display and general looks attracted me as a new buyer. Unfortunately all the other products have been on the market for several years and ive seen their prices only go up. On forums i also see people very agressively trashing on products. Logitechs deck for example has its QC also coming up at every comment even after several years from its release. Also looking into the competition I was unable to find any announcements by another company developing anything similar. Especially in terms of some kind of haptic feedback. Are you guys waiting for any releases? In what price range are we expecting them?

[@WatchMysh]

If you want quality devices I'd suggest you take a look at VKB, WinWing and Virpil. Check out my hotas overview video to see what's available. :) Like I mention in the video: for the same price you can get a Winwing Hotas system that's high end entry in terms of quality. It's also very adaptable. Get a set of pedals to go with it since it doesn't twist and you're good. There are lots of combinations available that are easily as versatile as the Flight Deck. The displays are just gimmicks in my opinion and look flashy. I'd rather get something with real flip switches you can operate without looking at them.

[@WatchMysh]

@@natedogg7376 Glad you like yours. Other people comparing stuff is not a "hate echo chamber" though. The WinWing set is cheaper and several leagues above the Flight Deck in terms of build quality. So that's not elitism either. Why pay more for less even if you don't fly a lot? I' d suggest you go try out the mentioned products. You'll spot the differences immediately. I had high hopes for the Flight Deck since we're still missing an affordable mid range HOTAS system. In my books is was a disappointment though. //edit: A VKB Gladiator NXT EVO combined with an Orion2 also is around 400€ and of a lot higher quality. Don't even need pedals then because you have twist. That's just how it is - no hate here.

[@diddelmann9145]

Hi did you get your Hotas and try it with Star Citizen ?

[@zoisbekios5239]

@@diddelmann9145 Hey, yes. I am playing star citizen with it. Overall it is a mixed experience. The OLED screen is still not very functional. The abundance of buttons tho is. Quality wise its okay. I was lucky and received one of the fine units. I do have some weird bugs here and there, but nothing a restart doesn't fix, and firmware updates keep improving the functionality of the devices.

[@PaleAle-kg7gz]

Had it for about a month. I do like all the features it has specially the B1 button has thumb tracking so can use it instead of grabbing the mouse. My touch screen has no lag like yours but updated it right away. Is it a high tier stick no, is it medium tier yes. Seems like you’re trying to compare it to winwing or something. When it’s trying to compete with thrustmaster.

[@WatchMysh]

@@PaleAle-kg7gz ofc I compare it to Winwing. It sits at the same price. Now with the Ursa Minor there's even less of a reason to buy a flight deck. The Ursa plus a Orion2 throttle with a grip of your choice even sells for less and is two leagues above.

[@PaleAle-kg7gz]

Was $200 less here than the warthog. I checked into winwing was going to cost $400 more that’s without the shipping to me.

[@WatchMysh]

@@PaleAle-kg7gz Where do you live? (Warthog is sub par, too). I judge on European and US prices. The Flight Deck is 399 here. Currently on sale at TB for 369.

[@PaleAle-kg7gz]

@@WatchMyshI paid only $500 cad for the turtle beach. Everything else I looked at was way more.

[@WatchMysh]

@@PaleAle-kg7gz ooh you're in Canada. But can't you order from the WinWing US warehouse then? Should be okay with shipping then. But maybe there are even more taxes then? I'm not familiar with the situation. If you like the FD that's fine. It's not that you couldn't fly with it... But I have to tell people as it is. So I judge on EU/US prices and available competition. That's where it hits a brick wall in the form of Winwing. Within the EU there's even free shipping.

[@Monstacheeks]

Nice review! Thanks for explaining in detail what some flaws were!

[@WatchMysh]

Thanks! You're welcome! 🤗

[@halcyonzenith4411]

It's made to LOOK expensive but anyone who has bought many peripherals before recognizes the cheapness and cutcorners. A plastic ball gimbal is not something you see on good quality flight sticks. This is basically the same situation as the Saitek X56 with its many problems and failures.

[@WatchMysh]

Yes

[@jaykuptake]

Can wait for the updated version of this. I feel like now would be a great time with MSFS coming so soon.

[@WatchMysh]

@@jaykuptake Updated version of the Flight Deck?

[@jaykuptake]

@@WatchMysh looks like I commented on the wrong video, I meant the hotas for 2024

[@leeebbrell9]

Does the stick have twist left and right

[@WatchMysh]

@@leeebbrell9 yes

[@S1mon.276]

hey man I have a logitech x56 hotas I am thinking about selling it because it doesnt feel like in a real plane do u have any hotas with throttle quattren that u would suchest me (for the same price so about 200) thx

[@WatchMysh]

The X56 is quite bad, yes ... Check out my HOTAS overview video if you need a market overview. I'm not so much into civilian aviation so I can't recommend a throtte quadrant, though. If you want an affordable but sturdy flight stick with a good gimbal check out the WinWing Ursa Minor.

[@S1mon.276]

@@WatchMysh okay thank you a lot and yes I am looking for a gimble

[@S1mon.276]

@@WatchMysh what do u think about the Gladiator NXT EVO ‘Space Combat Edition?

[@WatchMysh]

@@S1mon.276 Best bang for the buck around 200€. Check out my review video, I explain and show everything there. :)

[@AnomalousVixel]

"the gimbal is bad" INSTANTLY puts it in the shit-bin with Saite- I mean, Logitech, I guess.

[@WatchMysh]

@@AnomalousVixel Yep. The Saitek X56 sucks equally, whereas the X52's gimbal is a lot better.

[@ZidentZ]

Hi Mysh! I remember you made a video about bombing guide i requested in War Thunder, since then.. i give it a try to play in Air SB which the gamemode i prefer over RB (i suck) now, maybe u can make a video about how to Air SB (Objective to do, Mouse Keyboard Settings suggestion, How to not how to do, Tips etc.) can you?

[@WatchMysh]

Hey :) I'm sorry but I can't since I don't play air SB. I mostly play IL2 or DCS if I want to play a "proper" sim so I never got into War Thunder SB.

[@davidgiles9751]

I've owned one since it first came out (pre-ordered). While I mostly agree with this video, I've found it to be decent enough for use in MSFS2020. However, for the price, it should have better overall build quality. My biggest disappointment is the functionality of the LCD screen on the throttle. It's pre-mapped to your keyboard, so you can't customize it individually - you have to map the appropriate key on the keyboard for what function you want. All in all, it's not worth the price, and needs to be on a significant sale before I'd recommend it. I'll eventually sell mine (at a big loss I'm sure) and buy a higher quality product.

[@WatchMysh]

@@davidgiles9751 Sure, it's decent enough. Like t16000m. But as you said: grossly overpriced.

[@nonamemcnotaspy8654]

would you recommend it if it were 299?

[@WatchMysh]

@@nonamemcnotaspy8654 Still not. The cup and ball gimbal is just not acceptable at that price point. For 300 bucks you're close to an Orion2 throttle and an Ursa Minor Fighter stick. The FD gets utterly demolished by that combo.

[@bobbyd6680]

@@nonamemcnotaspy8654 You saw the sale at Amazon? I just had mine delivered. Might just send it back now after some of the reviews I've been reading. I really like my TB Velocity One Yoke and Throttles and thought this would be a good stick setup. Oh well.

[@51areaspodcast]

Mine didn't last a month .

[@WatchMysh]

@@51areaspodcast Meh. Thankfully there's warranty.

[@51areaspodcast]

@WatchMysh I'm just glad I got it on Amazon. Easy return .

[@WatchMysh]

@@51areaspodcast True. :) Got something decent now?

[@51areaspodcast]

@WatchMysh nope still shopping around . The prices for these things are ridiculous. This was 425 dollars and lasted 3 weeks . I'm going to end up with a 2nd car payment for a video game controller I know lol.

[@WatchMysh]

@@51areaspodcast Lol ... well for 425 dollars you can get gear thrice as good as the flight deck. Check out my 2024 HOTAS buyer's guide :)

[@grotthemighty7480]

I wouldnt call the winwing similarly priced.. its almost double what this costs so it definitely isnt in the same space. Basically you get a tflight garbage pile a logitech for a hundred or so less than this or you spend a thousand dollars on a hotas or more for a hosas. Maybe this works out for the mid range gamer who isnt going to dump thousands into a setup for one or two games

[@WatchMysh]

@@grotthemighty7480 where do you live? At the time I released the video the WinWing set was priced almost similarly in the EU. Just checked: Winwing Metal Warthog: 383. Flight Deck: 349 on sale at Amazon and other dealers right now. Normally 399.

[@IopuaauahiPapale]

theres supposed to be 3 haptic detents that are user configurable. was yours maybe not configured?

[@WatchMysh]

@@IopuaauahiPapale My FD only has virtual/vibration detents.

[@Frankenllama]

I still think this is a better buy than the x-56. The real issue is that in my country I can't get a virpil or vkb without importing, and the import duties cost half what the stick does.

[@WatchMysh]

If the X-56 or the FD were the only choice, I'd also go with Turtle Beach.

[@bzdtemp]

Hmm, maybe I should just stick to using my trusted CH Flight Stick Pro + Throttle. It has served me well for decades.

[@WatchMysh]

@@bzdtemp as long as you're happy with it? My new hotas roundup drops today, though. 31 minutes of hotasology.

[@bzdtemp]

@@WatchMysh I am happy, but I do ask my self if something more modern would be better. For sure there would be more buttons, rudder functionality would be nice and I could get rid of my USB-GamePort gizmo + satisfy the urge for new gear 😉 I shall check out your roundup - thank you. Adjust for inflation my FlightStickPro+Throttle set up was $750 purchase back then. Only I recall it felt as more as I was just a student back then.

[@WatchMysh]

@@bzdtemp Wow that's a lot of money. Today that buys you a cam/spring gimbal, awesome stick, high quality throttle and a set of good pedals.

[@bzdtemp]

@@WatchMysh PC gaming was different back then. I was super lucky and had a, for the time, big PC* payed for by a company I worked for alongside studying - it cost the equivalent of like $12K today. I bought a sound card for it, so it would do more than just beep, and that came to about $700 in today's money... *IBM, 33 Mhz 80486, 4 MB ram and 170 MB hard drive.

[@jiayfcn]

Hi! Can anyone tell me that is this can be use on xbox-x series? thanks!

[@WatchMysh]

No, it can't. Only the VelocityOne stick and the yoke are compatible.

[@GROGU123]

You can buy a VKB gladiator and VKB stecs mini for cheaper than this turtle beach system.

[@WatchMysh]

At least in the USA I guess. In EU the combo is more expensive. But only a bit. The Flight Deck is overprized and shoddy in comparison.

[@ghost6174]

Just got this first try only the right throttle works when split to to throttles when both connected none of the throttles work if any one could help wood be good but yer

[@WatchMysh]

Return. Buy proper system for the same price.

[@micr0d0t97]

Well it’s really not to bad of a deal considering you get the joystick and the throttle. I see alot of other options just the joystick is $200 and you still need the throttle after that

[@WatchMysh]

@@micr0d0t97 What you get in the end is a lot better though. If you buy a Gladiator and a TWCS throttle you're still paying less and the stick/gimbal is a lot better than the Flight Deck's. The TWCS throttle is on the same quality level as the Flight Deck. The WinWing Warthog set I mentioned (stick and throttle) sits at the same price point and demolishes the Flight Deck from a quality perspective. The only reason to buy the FD is if you're on console and you don't have a choice. Oh and today you could buy a Winwing Ursa Minor and a Orion2 throttle from them. In the end you also pay less for a quality two leagues above the Flight Deck.

[@micr0d0t97]

@@WatchMysh hmm that gives me something to think about, i want to get as stick sand throttle for my stepdad for his birthday and i was going to go with the turtle beach cause its like a all in one [package but i will look into the ones you listed and compare. i think one thing i like about the turtle beach is the touch pad and little screens on it. idk why but i love things that have little info displays and screens. im such a sucker for that.

[@WatchMysh]

@@micr0d0t97 I also love those things. Sadly the screens lag and the touch pad is next to unusable. And let's not talk about the bottom tier gimbal of the Flight Deck. I suggest to do yourself a favour and buy some proper quality gear that comes without screens and touch pads but a proper gimbal, quality plastics and/or metal components, quality switches and customizable resistance. A good allround bundle for desk use is the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO combined with a STECS Mini Plus. Both use the same software and you get VKB's legendary customer service. The Gladiator even has clutches which the Flight Deck also lacks. You can remove the springs and fly helicopters. In case oft the Orion2 set you get a complete super smooth metal gimbal. No twist though. You'd need to go all in and buy a set of pedals, too. Luckily the WinWings Orion pedals are the best bang for the buck in the market. So you also could get the whole pack (Stick, base, Throttle, pedals) from WinWing. If you compare it to the Flight Deck that'll be powder coated aluminum vs some cheap plastic. I'll take all of that any day over a few screens (you probably rarely look at while flying) and a barely functioning micro touch pad.

[@micr0d0t97]

@@WatchMysh thank you for the honest review, now I don’t think I will be going for the flight deck. I think now I’m leaning more towards winwings / VKB. It would be nice if turtle beach actually listened to all the criticism and upgraded their product for the future. Every review says the exact same things that could be done to make it a better product.

[@WatchMysh]

@@micr0d0t97 They have the feedback. Now they can produce a Flight Deck 2.0. But I guess they won't. The FD is exactly what they wanted to make: shiny seemingly high end gear that's cheap to produce and easy to sell because shiny and good looking. Good idea to go for better gear! :)

[@3516diesel]

I bought this and it's junk, pinky trigger on the throttle is already broken. No warranty because It was bought as a gift from Amazon, Turtle Beach will only warranty if bought directly from them.

[@WatchMysh]

That's really shitty customer service. Would also be illegal in the EU @ warranty.

[@happinessguy9354]

i love your videos

[@WatchMysh]

Thanks! I love you folks who are watching & loving them! :)

[@nonamenolife01]

Ich habe es schon unter dem Community Post vorhergesagt

[@WatchMysh]

Jup. Ich hoffe ja immer auf das Beste aber im Grunde war es zu erwarten.

[@billfletcher9761]

You seem to be the only one not impressed so I guess I will have to take your comments with a grain of salt. I will agree its too expensive.

[@WatchMysh]

Hey. :) Depends on the bubble you're getting your reviews from. I'm by far not the only one. A lot of very experienced HOTAS content creators share my point of view. To verify just go to r/hotas and ask about the Flight Deck's overall quality there. Or in the HOTAS discord. Doesn't matter.

[@billfletcher9761]

@@WatchMysh also most players are coming from thrustmaster x or one and compared to them the flightdeck is miles ahead. When you have graduated to the pro league with vastly superior tech then dropping down to the flightdeck is like slumming it. I personally am happy with my flight deck especially using the lcd buttons to test combinations etc. I come from logitech yoke or T.16000M and feel i have upgraded with turtle beach giving then dues afterall they are reasonably new to the flight controller world

[@WatchMysh]

@@billfletcher9761 Glad you're happy with it. Coming from a wobbly Hotas X the Flight Deck must feel like a surgical Instrument. Still I'm just comparing price to performance and build quality within the bigger picture. The Flight Deck can't compete here. I wish it could since I like the idea of a "good casual midrange set". Maybe next time? We'll see.

[@BekoPharm]

Oh. This could have been good. Ah well 🤷

[@WatchMysh]

yeah ... :-/

[@matthewta4402]

is this xbox compatible?

[@WatchMysh]

No. But the VelOne Flightstick is.

[@R0d_1984]

$699AUD in Australia...

[@WatchMysh]

That's like 375 Euros, right? Cheaper than in Germany. But the Flight Deck got even more competition in form of the Ursa Minor now. Doesn't get easier for it.

[@DanielDrake]

excellent review

[@WatchMysh]

Thanks :)

[@acexprt]

You’re comparing a console flight stick to a PC flight stick. Console players always pay a premium

[@WatchMysh]

Good point. I review for PC, though.

[@Him____.879]

Bro take your mums gardening gloves off 0:45

[@WatchMysh]

@@Him____.879 lol These are standard allround work gloves I use. I don't want to get finger prints on the gear before recording the b-roll footage. I want to get nicer ones but it's not a priority.

[@Him____.879]

@@WatchMysh round here those have always been sold as gardening gloves sorry if I came out as rude

[@WatchMysh]

@@Him____.879 Np I wasn't offended :)

[@andresilvasophisma]

On paper this is one of the best HOTAS out there, too bad they messed it up in QC.

[@eltorro4962]

anyone tried it on XBOX SX?

[@WatchMysh]

@@eltorro4962 not compatible

[@meanmicro]

I was going to subscribe but won’t bother

[@meanmicro]

Obviously against it before you started I love mine no problems and is perfect in almost every way bullshit about switches this is so bias it’s laughable

[@WatchMysh]

@@meanmicro With how many grips and other throttles did you compare it first hand? It's okay to like your set. But once you get something decent you'll see my points.

[@johnnytrongaming]

🤦🏾‍♂️ should have watched this review first..

[@WatchMysh]

That doesn't sound good... 😳

[@BLACKFIRE-1776]

he called one of the toggle switches a flap leaver, wrong, he said theres another throttle on the throttle, wrong that is the flap leaver, dont trust reviews that get simple things wrong, in other words, this guy has no idea what hes saying

[@WatchMysh]

I never called the switches flap lever. I said "Among the controls is a flap lever and some momentary switches". The switches also aren't toggles, but momentaries. The axis you mentioned is an independent axis that can be used as I flap lever or another throttle / cooler / whatever axis. That's a problem with my wording, not me being clueless. (It's lever without the "a" by the way.) The real error was that I accidentally called the gear lever a flap lever in the beginning, but you missed that ... I'll put that in the sticky, though. In the end though nothing changes the fact that the Flight Deck is an overprized flimsy piece of tech.

[@BLACKFIRE-1776]

@@WatchMysh whatever you say, I've seen 10 reviews telling me to buy it and showing how to config it, you did say the obvious flap lever on the throttle was another throttle, what kind of throttle has 100 on the bottom, obvious flap lever, sorry but i dont trust people who make simple mistakes on things this important 😁

[@WatchMysh]

I just explained you why I called it like that. I see so many sticks and throttles within a year, for me it's just another axis. It can be used as a flap lever, a throttle, whatever you want it to be. You're taking a slight error of my script to discredit my whole assessment. I know you want the Flight Deck to be good ... exactly as I hoped, too. It isn't. Look up similar priced products like the WinWing Orion2 HOTAS set. It's mostly metal, comes with a gimbal that smokes the Flight Deck effortlessly and has superior ergomomics and even more controls. But feel free to dump your hard earned money for flimsy plastic crap. Just don't cry later that nobody told you.

[@Tekjive]

Every serious review points out how faulty and crap this setup is …I don’t sub this dude and no idea why I read this random comment but blowing off the entire review over a few mislabeled switches seems weird lol. It doesn’t make this subpar overpriced kit any less subpar and overpriced. Glad I watched reviews before eating $ on it. And it’s not just YT reviews, Reddit, etc full of the same …they chose glam over function 🙄

[@Hypagon]

Yea it's obvious sampling bias. Pointing out 2 minor mistakes, or misunderstandings doesn't disprove the quintessence of the video. The HOTAS might be usable, but has serious flaws that shouldn't be there for that price.

[@WardenOfTerra]

This is not good advice at all. Telling people to just throw thousands at a HOTAS system is insane. You obviously don't understand WHO this is for. The all-in-one approach of this system is very good for the price. A beginner isn't going to buy over-priced sticks and mounts for their first entry into sim flying.

[@WatchMysh]

How is this bad advice if you can get by far better quality gear for LESS money? I never told anyone to throw thousands at anything. Did you even watch the video? I perfectly understand who this is for: people who dont know there's a lot of better gear but just not on Amazon. The Flight Deck is full with pretty rgb lighting but sells you the worst gimbal construction of them all at a premium price. It's on the same level as a t16000 stick for 60 bucks... But as I told another person before: It's your money. Burn it for an overpriced chunk of plastic as long as you want. But don't forget: A 100 Dollar Winwing Ursa Minor stomps this set easily which leaves you with 300 bucks for a high quality throttle. If you don't believe me go to r/hotas and ask there.

[@harlemk1ng]

This channel literally has videos reviewing HOTAS gear from budget to high-end. Turtle Beach unfortunately spent more money on the aesthetics of this HOTAS and not the quality. It's basically this generations X-56.

[@pellebackman4673]

First😅

[@WatchMysh]

Hi! :)