|THINK YOU KNOW DAMAGE?| iDentity Doesn't, and Maybe You Don't Either Tom Clancy's The Division 2

[@blakemorris2753]

Excellent, and clear, breakdown of damage calculation; I appreciated the specific examples you give to help viewers grasp the application to actual talents

[@lucassilverblade913]

It's really hard to concentrate on your explanation with that background music. Please find something subtle so I don't have to replay portions to get it. FogOfWar is my go-to guy for numbers, but you've done a great job at making the info user friendly. Thanks Agent!

[@d15p4tch6]

Thanks for the feedback! I'll tone down or remove the music in future videos. I'm glad you told me!

[@lucassilverblade913]

@@d15p4tch6 You're welcome. Looking forward to the next video 🙂

[@sybren-srb]

Fog of War is wrong on so many things, its not even funny any more.

[@d15p4tch6]

@@sybren-srb such as?

[@sybren-srb]

@@d15p4tch6 just watch some videos by Ikia and Dod about him

[@grannde_]

Great video man, keep it going🙏🔥💯

[@beingbeyonddat]

Good video, mate. This reminds me of the good MarcoStyle days when we had a KZbinr that was actually totally invested in the game. I understand you wanna get better at videos same as I want more damage XD I took your advice now take mine: if in your video you're going to explain something by talking choose music that is not that high on BPM or considerably lower the volume.

[@d15p4tch6]

Thanks for the encouragement AND critique. I might re-release the video cuz of the music problem - you're the third one to bring it up. My bad!

[@beingbeyonddat]

@@d15p4tch6 No no, don't delete it. We saw it, noticed something to improve and wrote some comments about it so you can improve. No worries, pal. GG.

[@martinmiller3765]

Why would he assume two amps cancel each other out? Why would they? I've never looked into how the formulas work exactly but I never thought, even for a second, damage multipliers wouldn't stack somehow. That's just what any gamer would assume instinctively.

[@d15p4tch6]

I have no idea why he would think that - intuitively you'd think they'd either add or multiply. Plus, its super easy to test and see "number go up" even if you don't do the math to see if it's multiplication or addition. Also, let me just say, thanks for commenting on a number of videos - I hope you're enjoying watching them as much as I did making them! Welcome!

[@martinmiller3765]

@@d15p4tch6 Thanks, Dod-Regnbue recommended you and others!

[@eljin_2004]

IDentity don't do math in his builds.😂😂😂

[@HustleLifee]

So basically at the end of the day you want to get as much multiplicative damage as you can on your build which will give you higher dps numbers. I'm honestly shocked Identity did not know this, and how the multiplier for multiplicative damage works. No wonder he is all about the hybrid, and skill builds. He doesn't actually understand the dps side of things. Great explanation!

[@d15p4tch6]

I mean, hybrid builds arent bad per se, you just want to maximize your hybrid by understanding the damage calculations lol. I'm all for imaginative builds as long as they make some sense. Honestly, Ive always been surprised by how few people know basic things about the game, even myself included sometimes. But that's why communication of these things is so important.

[@mamba96]

So if obliterate is 1.25 and striker with the backpack gives 100% amp, that means i get 1+(100/100)=2 right ? So now, 1.25×2= 2.5 ? So i get 250% dmg ??? I'm so lost 😅

[@mamba96]

Or 50% dmg ? If 1.15×1.15=1.3225 that's 32.25% more dmg what is going to be 2.5000 ? Why the "1" in 1.3225 goes away ? If this "1" goes away, "2" also goes away ? That means that 2.5000 is 50% more dmg ?

[@d15p4tch6]

@@mamba96 you are so close! Great work. You get 2.5x your damage in the first example. If we are going to translate that back into a % increase, we need to subtract 1, then multiply by 100% (reverse order of how we translated % into a multiplier). So for that case, it would be (2.5-1)*100 = 150%. Same process that you did correctly for spotter and flatline!

[@mamba96]

@@d15p4tch6 ok so now i understand why "1" in 1.3225 goes away, it make sens know. God imagine that i'm french and i'm trying to do some maths in another language ! Hope you are ready for this because i'm not done yet, i have so many questions ! The 1st is : - now i know that striker and obliterate give me 150% more dmg. Is it for every bullets from the base weapon dmg of any weapons without crit dmg ?

[@d15p4tch6]

@@mamba96 yes, that's right - you'd take your base damage and multiply it by that if it wasn't a crit. Remember too that there's also damage to health, damage to armor, headshots, and damage to targets out of cover! Also, very impressive to be learning this in another language! I only know English, unfortunately 😞

[@mamba96]

@@d15p4tch6 yes i know about health dmg, dttoc, dta and hs dmg. Don’t worry, like i said, i've got many many other questions 🤣🤣🤣. I'm gonna work on that and we'll talk about it tomorrow ! Also do you have any knowledge about skill dmg calculations ?

[@grumpyoldman6503]

How does math work? 🤔🤣 To be fair, the wordings and inconsistencies in div2 are legion (gotten better lately but still many inconsistencies). And its not clear what multipliers are in the same class and thus additive with each other within that class vs truly independent (and thus exponentially scaling) amplifiers. Side note, optimist is a shit DPS talent, generally speaking.

[@d15p4tch6]

Yes, yes, yes and yes. Agree 100%

[@vilandesch]

@grumpyoldman6503 @the sidenote I thought this too, but then i realized it´s unconditional. Most of the "better" Talents rely on an activation. Pulse, Kill, Damaging Skill. So i changed my opinion to "not shit but also not great" :) Subjectively speaking: best Weapon/Talent = AUG SMG/Fast Hands :)

[@vilandesch]

I agree with all, but why didn´t you adress the Hunter and Intimidate Buff, where each stack is an amplifier on it´s own? This would be the perfect example to show, why this term was introduced in the first place. Amplification is not an mathematical operation. The description of the Hunter Talent is correct, whereas the description of Intimidate is false. Hunter gives 5* 5% Amplifiers (1 + 0.05)·(1 + 0.05)·(1 + 0.05)·(1 + 0.05)·(1 + 0.05) = 1.28 (1 + 0.5)^5 = 7.59 Intimidate gives 9* 4% Amplifiers (1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04)·(1 + 0.04) = 1.42 (1 + 0.04)^9 = 1.42 When Heartbreaker was introduced every stack was an 1% amplifier; it was fun as long as it lastet :) (1 + 0.01)^100 = 2.7 At the beginning Striker stacks were also 1% Amplifiers so they changed the wording from "wepon hits amplify total weapon damage" to "wepon hits increase total weapon damage", what makes it somewhat correct, but it can be confused with the "other increase total weapon damage" (1 + 0.01)^50 = 1.64 Total weapon damage is the result of the equation and not the name a modifier, Hence the two descritions "increase Total Weapon damage" and "amplifies Total Weapon damage" And the simplest form of the equation is: NewTotalWeaponDamage=PreviousTotalWeaponDamage+PreviousTotalWeaponDamage*CurrentModifier: Yn=Yp+Yp*M -> Yn=Yp(1+M) M1 to Mn are the Damage Modifiers in no particular order Y0=Basedamage Y1 = Y0*(1 + M1) Y2 = Y1*(1 + M2)=Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2) Y3 = Y2*(1 + M3)=Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2)*(1 + M3) Y4 = Y3*(1 + M4)=Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2)*(1 + M3)*(1 + M4) Y5 = Y4*(1 + M5)=Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2)*(1 + M3)*(1 + M4)*(1 + M5) Yn = Y4*(1 + M5)=Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2)*(1 + M3)*(1 + M4)*(1 + M5)* ... *(1 + Mn) And i agree, that massive is bad in their wording. And i still don´t get it, that DTA or DTOC is called multiplicative, when every Damage Modifier (and i mean the total value, not the single value on the item) is multiplicative. edit: deleted the Austrian saying. if you are not familiar with the Austrian mindset, it could be misinterpreted. :) 😀

[@d15p4tch6]

I didn't address HF or Intimidate because I honestly didn't think about it lol I should have included it. That certainly adds to the number of amplifiers. As far as everything else you discussed, I didn't want to get into any analogies or do any distribution or explore alternative points of view, because I just wanted to state the facts as simply and helpfully as I can. While "total weapon damage" is likely an output or quotient in the equation rather than a variable, it's much easier to understand by just assigning a name to each multiplier. If we treat part of the equation as Total Weapon Damage, then we want to keep track of what multipliers are part of TWD and which aren't, even though the distinction is immaterial, since they function the same. For example, we could get into the weeds parsing out the equation from it's "most correct" form with lots of addition and then resolve it into the final equation, going through the fact that, in fact, multiplication is just shorthand for addition, but yeah, it ends up looking the same. We could do a theoretical proof, but I think that would just add confusion instead of relieve it. I have no idea what the last part of your comment says, as I am an ignorant American... Thanks as always for your insightful comments!

[@grumpyoldman6503]

I sincerely hope you didn't type all of that out on your phone.

[@theprinceofallsaiyans5830]

Uhh could you please rewrite this comment so it comes off much more condescending smug, and also please add your own form of mathmatics and calculitive prosseses that only dont confuse you. But dont take more than 10 min and the first half of the Words Document tutorial to create them. Thanks.

[@theprinceofallsaiyans5830]

Oh dont forget to include music thats 1 decibels quiter than your speaking voice and make sure its linked to your narration so when you make jump cuts somdoes the music cause you know, science

[@vilandesch]

@@d15p4tch6 When you look at your weapon in your inventory, you will see "Total Damage" calculated by Y1=Y0+Y0*M1; Y0 = Basedamage, M1 = All Weapon Damage + Weapontype Damage. massive omitted the word "weapon"because it´s obvious, that it is Total Weapon Damage. On the other hand, it´s important to specify on items, if the modifier applies to weapons, skills or all of them. Then massive messed it up by not giving this variable a proper name. Just a description. And they made it worse, by coloring only "Total Weapon Damage" orange and not the whole "increase the Total Weapon Damage". So someone came up with his own label. And messed it up too. I don´t understand why "aplifies TWD" became AMP and "increase TWD" did not become INC or incTWD to be consistent with e.g. DToC or DTA. We are talking Math, there are no alternative views :) I only wanted to show how to get from Basedamage to the "end" calculation. I did not imply that you have to do the calculation step by step. i tried to show that, if you have 2 Modifiers the calculation is just Y2 = Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2) and if you have 8 Modifiers the calculation is just Y8 = Y0*(1 + M1)*(1 + M2)*(1 + M3)*(1 + M4)*(1 + M5)*(1 + M7)*(1 + M7)*(1 + M8) As i am a non ignorant Austrian :)

[@andygreener3130]

OMG 🙄 Is he Forkie? “What’s Cheese?”

[@d15p4tch6]

I have no idea what this means

[@andygreener3130]

@@d15p4tch6 Pixar Animation character created by Bonnie and given a few short films. He knows nothing and asks a lot of dumb questions

[@Bigfoot-0331]

when it says 85% damage what does that mean?

[@d15p4tch6]

I'm not sure what "it" you're referring to. I don't ever say 85% and it's not in any text in the video either.

[@Bigfoot-0331]

@@d15p4tch6 i have a build that says 85% submachine gun damage

[@d15p4tch6]

@@Bigfoot-0331 that means your smg will have 85% weapon damage. For calculating damage of that smg, your Weapon Damage multiplier will be 1.85. if you have no other buffs and your bullet doesn't crit, the damage on target will be 1.85x the Base weapon damage. This value should match the damage in your character screen.

[@Bigfoot-0331]

@@d15p4tch6 1.85 x weapon damage = total damage is what u are saying

[@d15p4tch6]

@@Bigfoot-0331 exactly, Total Damage in your character sheet

[@sadukar_7th_legion]

It's maths, not math. You don't say mathematic, you say mathematics. The science of numbers. Do you say physic instead of physics? lol Good video mate.

[@d15p4tch6]

Lol I studied engineering, not English! XD

[@sadukar_7th_legion]

@@d15p4tch6 You star, subbed. lol

[@waynemawston7806]

Well considering he said yellow striker was more damage than red he is stupid.

[@d15p4tch6]

I just focus on people's opinions and arguments. Calling them names doesn't do anyone any good.

[@RaptorMaster82]

There are people who live off the mistakes of others, you can't make your own content, what a lack of creativity you seem to have

[@d15p4tch6]

iDentity didn't make any mistakes. He asked a question, I'm answering it. No hate or disrespect was intended towards him or his community. I've made plenty of my own content - are the other videos that you thought were "unoriginal" or didn't show enough creativity for whatever your standard is?

[@MultiplicativeDivision]

@@d15p4tch6 Your video was very clear and helpful. Identity does a lot of clickbait type videos (I know this question of his was not - but it goes on to show that identity has no clue) and I have called him out for that…. Keep up the math and good work 👍

[@diegochavez1286]

Did you hit your head when you was born or something? Lack of creativity? Show me any other content creator that explained how damage works in this game the way Dispatch did. Now go and creep for attention somewhere else

[@martinmiller3765]

A quick scroll through his videos was all it took to prove that statement false immediately.