This $20 Mod Is Killing RuneScape..

[@FrenzyLive1]

The game came out before 9/11 and still has more players than concord

[@bananenkuchen7230]

Everything has more player than concord

[@Jeejicle]

@@FrenzyLive1 hee hee that one’s a funny!

[@eldenvedetta635]

@Asmongold Pin this comment

[@deenman23]

neo natzis didnt campaign to kill runescape

[@AndrewsArtDen]

My game has more players than concord and I haven't even made it, lol.

[@LordFinkenstein]

Nothing will ever beat chilling in Varrock bank with the boys.

[@BlueRadium]

Camelot bank grinding Fletching to 99 with the lads, selling the yew/magic longs to the enchanters outside 👌

[@Imtryingtodobetter]

Grove street baby

[@ljsnell]

buying lobbies 100gp ea

[@jackj4631]

buying rune scim 30k

[@AChunkyDog]

buying gf 15k

[@jesse3086]

I was saved in WoW by Chinese gold farmers. There was a huge pack of them traveling around, scouring the land of all resources to sell on the AH. I was getting camped and they stopped farming to help kick those 3 guy's ass. It gave me a permanent buff to +China.

[@Tathanic]

-china i had to wait hours for a GM to answer a trick and purge them all so i could finish my quests, also crying about PvP on a PvP servers? lmao

[@Mikesusendsadasdc]

They arnt gold farmers for money brother. Well the retail wow usally arnt. There Chinese students or residents who live in the US. I learned a lot about it from playing on Illidan and having a White kid I knew for 15 years, be in a Chinese guild, Learn Chinese, go to school to master Chinese and become a translator online and play WoW all day with Chinese guilds.

[@maskettaman1488]

+10 social credit score, good job chang

[@noahchopson7136]

China best

[@non1503]

And I wonder if those people were inmates. I remember when that was happening. prison leaders/owners making them play.

[@fabiopauli420]

"killing RS" is a bold statement considering 1/10 players even engages in pvp content. Edit: i am aware this cheatclient (not mod. Don’t mislabel it) gives advantages in pve. My comment is about the original Video claiming this would destroy all of RuneScape. Guys. Even as a Main. Ironman mode is right there. Basically half the playerbase is irons. And most pvmers care for the gear and gold they make rather than if their achievements really matter. Who cares that 23000+ people got an infernal cape. You finally got yours. And thats awesome. And doing that yourself will always be 10 times more satisfying than using a cheatclient. At most in a pve context it provides unfair advantages for world firsts and or speedrun times. But the playerbase that engages in that level of pve content might unironically be lower than the pvp playerbase. Anyway im back to grinding lms for my golden weapon specs.

[@MYyGUN]

Id say 3/10 do. Its less popular now but back when old school was the main game 5/10?

[@fabiopauli420]

@@MYyGUN during one of the community consulation pools a few years ago ("New Skill: Community Consultation and Poll 78") the question "What activities do you most enjoy ingame" (you could select as many choices as you wanted) 138,342 People voted and 15,519 of those players had one vote in pvp (11.3%) so if we wanna be pedantic: 11/100 people enjoyed pvp 2 years ago. Ofcourse: maybe that has changed But wrathmaw poll results dont seam promising it has.

[@MYyGUN]

@@fabiopauli420 i forgot about them polls cheers i totally forgot, i know i never voted

[@YoureSoCreezy]

Well part of the reason i dont even touch pvp is because runelite exists

[@kooz6]

Maybe more people would engage in pvp if it werent for cheats. But honestly I think there's more people acitvly doing pvp content than u might think.

[@45noop]

PKers in OSRS will wait in the wild for hours just they can kill someone with an inventory of bones and still say “sit” 😂😂😂

[@krozareq]

I sometimes do that in Star Citizen at outposts or package locations. It's akin to fishing and kind of a relaxing experience.

[@johndillinger1918]

It’s more the high of defeating a real person and sending them grumbling back to lumbridge. Like killing naked man on rust

[@jeff230394]

Sit

[@Dan-hh5pk]

Im a newbie and a casual but damn, i love PvP in Runescape (and i suck lol)

[@TidusDowthelas]

There are Legit players that PK the bots and Cheaters too in OSRS, just to rid them off the server, and get the Developers to ban them, some clans have devoted to attacking these problems on site.

[@darkwolf9637]

1:50 this is the exact plot of kaiji. Its not " the bad guy is cheating but the good guy wins through hard work" its " my opponent is cheating, how do i cheat better than they are"

[@ClaySano]

We buying all the rock cards with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@syressx9098]

Kaiji fans based as usual​@@ClaySano

[@TheTrueSalpan]

Kaiji ❤

[@diablo.the.cheater]

The problem is not when one cheats to avoid hard work, the problem is when one cheats and puts the same amount of hard work.

[@fluktuition]

@@ClaySano We were about to buy all the rock cards, but we noticed someone else was bulk buying them. So instead we bought all the paper cards !

[@cabbagedestroyer1693]

OSRS has the most caring, interactive, committed, and toxic community. Pissing off the wrong people in game will actually result in your family members being called, stalked, and have death threats sent to them. On the other hand, it has the best game wiki and there are players participating in every piece of content in the game. It is also the only game that retained all of its player base from Covid.

[@Chippaization]

I always wished OSRS people would work on the ffxiv wiki because it is so trash

[@WillWonkeyTertel]

You just listed out most MMO's they all have this small bubble that builds with crazies.

[@primary2630]

not all of it cause i'm not playing it right now

[@TrueChaoSclx]

@@Chippaization for ffxiv, generally we use garland tools and teamcraft. But it's more like a database browser than a wiki, and doesn't contain a lot of 'useful' info, only very specific info. Would be nice to have an easier to browse wiki for just regular use.

[@gutz5035]

OSRS is becoming bot land and hacker filth like RS3, not sure if removing RL and the Wilderness will even be enough because you still deal with farming bots messing with player based trade economy.

[@sophiacristina]

S. American here, Brazil in specific! I met people that indeed used or wanted to use bots in Tibia (a game that is very popular here, and was way more popular in the 00's) to get Tibia Coins to sell. The degree that they "enjoyed playing" was not such matter, they enjoyed it a little, but they truly were doing it as a job. 40 USD is 234 BRL. Our minimum monthly wage here is about 392 USD, an so, 40 USD is like 10% of a wage. Think about it, those guys got what would be 2.25 days in a job in a single PK. And not counting that i'm talking about Brazil, and not about countries like Venezuela or something.

[@1Grainer1]

i haven't heard about tibia in ages, i think last time i've seen it was somehow someone put an ad in a bus in 2014, before that i've last heard about it in 2008, and it somehow naturally merged with runescape into single game in my mind edit: $400 wage is also familiar, it was like here in 2006-2016 or so, but since we're in EU since 2004 (Poland) our game prices got on equal prices with UK, Germany and rest, so $60 for game while you earn $400... that was a golden age of piracy

[@Skvat69]

what is a single PK?

[@Skvat69]

ur grammar is so bad bro u explained it bad with all respect, how much did they get for how much work u say?

[@whyme15able]

​@Skvat69 he's saying they would get 2 days' worth of pay at a job, killing just one player.

[@r3mpuh]

Tibia > Runescape

[@jwolfe1844]

The good news is you don't need to PVP in this game. You can opt out and still experience 99% of what the game has to offer. That said.. PVP has a long and fun history that we don't want to lose. Having the option to go risk it all in fights is an adrenaline pumping experience, and many have put thousands of hours into perfecting it. This is a PVP killer and will deter a large part of the community that makes the game interesting.

[@TurntOddish]

Except if you want to PvM in the Wildy

[@NocturnalPyro]

25:00 Actually, Osrs has never been more popular, more people play the game daily than both WoW and and FF14, it might honestly be the most popular mmorpg currently.

[@UNDERWOODTRUTH]

True

[@aliceshiki8069]

I can absolutely relate to the thing of "People in South America will grind games like crazy for money", like... I had a friend who did that in Tibia. He was on a PVE server, his guild was the top guild in the server, and his guild leader was the top Paladin in the whole game (that account was eventually banned because he advertised that he was willing to sell the account a bit too openly)... And 100% of the guild consisted of gold farmers. People online hated my friend's guild. They were people who did camped farming spots, actively lured mobs to kill people trying to compete with them when they were farming, basically made things much harder for anybody else to do, they did the things that others thought as against the spirit of the game or something... And well, they didn't care, because farming there was their job. My friend had a job in the military and he quit it for playing Tibia, because it was way less stressful than the military job while also offering similarly good pay. They even had an internal policy in the guild that was like... "If you got tired of playing Tibia and want to go work on something else and wanna sell your account, you either have to sell the account to someone within the guild, or you need to first change servers before you can sell the account" to like... Not put a strong account as a competitor to the guild in the same server. So uhn... Yeah. It was all done without cheats and in a PVE server, but they were still absolutely cutthroat and did everything they could to get rid of their competition, because it was simply their job, so they went all out in making sure that they could make enough money regularly to pay their bills. My friend eventually quit that to go work in a bank because farming on Tibia had also become too stressful eventually, but... Yeah, that happened.

[@BlazerV61]

As a player who put in thousands of hours into this game before and after EoC, I fully understand how powerful this plugin is. You basically are not even playing the same game at this point...

[@kennymichaelalanya7134]

EoC. Evolution of Combat. Now I feel old.

[@mrcool76789]

the cool thing about rs is everything happens in .06 second intervals, so even the best scripts can be beaten by top top top pkers who can easily react within that window. it does kill 99% of players tho

[@Kevvzi]

​@@mrcool767890.6 seconds*

[@HebiSnake]

​@@mrcool76789 it's 0.6 not .06

[@LowLifeDust]

@@kennymichaelalanya7134 I remember young me being so excited hearing about the EoC update and then it came out and I stopped playing

[@bradleymoore2797]

Pov: You're an excellent bowman and the gun was just invented.

[@samadams2203]

Indeed. I am my tribe's best flint knapper, but I'm very concerned about this 'copper' everyone is talking about!

[@randybobandy9828]

Except being an excellent Bowman when the gun was invented was still OP.... Guns were terribly slow and inaccurate to use.

[@bradleymoore2797]

@@randybobandy9828 No one in any modern armies uses bows now for some reason. It's like gun tech must have improved.

[@Amohaze98]

@@bradleymoore2797ye but as u said "guns were just invented" as if an experienced archer couldnt fill a guy with a musket full of arrows before he could even load it

[@MaysoonTV]

​@@randybobandy9828 Typical bowman cope

[@ib2nyce4u]

OSRS has never been bigger. Big reason is all the improvements the devs/Jagex have made, kudos to them and their hard work and passion for the game.

[@AZona-h4t]

I’ve played on and off since 2013 release and it’s the biggest it’s ever been. Mod ash and the other devs have done an amazing job keeping microtransactions and the bs out of the game. So much fun content to do

[@1God1Fury]

The problem is that back in the day cheating was look down upon from both Developers and players community, but now it become more acceptable, taking a blind eye to it or argue "it's not cheats, it's just a mod bro", "everyone use this, so it' okay" THAT is what I absolute despise. Not because cheating exist, but because people don't see it's cheating and even encourage cheating calling it "mods". It doesn't matter how small cheating advantage mod provides. *Cheating is cheating*

[@cyber_crypto]

Runescape was my first MMO as middle schooler, LFG!

[@daxxjester]

what are you looking for a group for?

[@primary2630]

Mine was actually Tibia, but then WoW.

[@tiredenough7739]

This is how i read it too 😭​@@daxxjester

[@Nkodtb]

Same here

[@qdizzle2714]

@@daxxjester also means Lets fucking go

[@Fwhalon]

More people getting access to the internet was a mistake. Everything has gone downhill since like 2007

[@kOoSyak]

True. 30 yo parents gives babies tablets and its started.

[@ineedcoffee2575]

It was all over whenever KZbin got sold

[@randybobandy9828]

Absolutely, it really started rapidly going downhill past 2013.

[@MageSkeleton]

Don't worry, it's just a "fad."

[@tylerguitar75]

Niche games > global mega games

[@xRevenge713x]

As a maxed combat pvmer in the game, I did get discouraged from ever trying out pvp because I heard my buddies lost so much gold to auto-switchers 😢

[@redrepublic5557]

You can just make a 1 def a welfare pk

[@iTzRioZ]

Me too, thats why i hate some of the comments in here saying that nobody cares about pvp and that pvpers deserve this.

[@UwU_Blaster]

Player v Mer. Down with elves!

[@Rikent]

Why not go LMS? Never pk'd much, but tried out LMS for a rune pouch and it was surprisingly fun.

[@hulkhogan2113]

​@@Rikentyeah LMS is fun ASF but it's more fun to actually risk money

[@whitejodeci8926]

I was addicted to this game when i was younger. Even though I've been tempted to come back, nothing will brinf back thefeelinbg of your first time in lumbridge, not knowing where to go

[@Moon_Bear_Gaming]

OSRS is a completely different game these days.

[@Rossiey1]

I stopped playing OSRS years ago because I only like to PK and 9/10 people in the wildy/rev caves are bots with perfect prayer switch timing on top of auto log out when they see you. Its not even PK'ing its just a weird form of PVE, like comp stomp in wow

[@apensalesman]

Another reason why runescape players vote no on anything that tries to make PvMers have to go into the wilderness

[@abraham_myshkin]

Those wildy master clue steps get the heart rate up!

[@ryanomalley1776]

400m in osrs is closer to $80. Its around ¢20 per million. In Venezuela they likely make around $33 per month. The number changes depending how there economy is doing but they make pennies compared the wage in the US.

[@loopuleasa]

you mean per hundred million

[@krozareq]

It sounds like they're banning bots eventually. But they should also track all movements of gold and then retroactively nullify any gold a botter received. No matter where it goes, it disappears. If a gold buyers bought some gold, they log in one day to find it gone. If they buy an in-game item with said gold, it will be tracked to that transaction and said items will be gone if the amount they have is less than the amount to be removed.

[@jamie3356]

The worst part about these cheats is that people use them on bot accounts. So not only do they have unbelievably strong PvP abilities, they also don't have to play the game... They'll have 20+ accounts running at once, PK'ing people and raking in billions of GP.

[@RisePlayer]

Yes thats what I do. Its fun - shud try too :p

[@YodielandInhabitant710]

​@@RisePlayerSuck-start a 12ga asap.

[@RisePlayer]

@@YodielandInhabitant710 what is 12ga? I can help you

[@almar555]

It's fun I recommend it, I got a maxcape legit on my main but botted pvp accounts really gave a new spark to the game for me :p

[@Jeru3]

7:02 I saw it.

[@Afro-ninja]

Saw what?

[@plasmask8]

B O O B S

[@Valhal1776]

I wasn't sure what all I saw at first, but I knew I saw something alright

[@BobbyWakefield]

It's a screenshot too 🤣

[@BabyZzz17]

I’d drink a desk drink to that

[@nybotheveg]

13:30 the blue helmet he's wearing is a super rare untradable cosmetic. I have no idea why he brought it into the widerness.

[@j_lemy]

Few people have truly quit RuneScape. At the least you will visit it once a year. Such a great game, and such great memories surrounded by bittersweet nostalgia.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

So basically MapleStory. Nobody ever quits they just take long breaks.

[@sutenjarl1162]

Its easy its a boring game

[@imp77776]

Never played and never will not a game to judge on graphics but holy shit this game looks like dog ass

[@nicespy9790]

@@imp77776if you didn’t grow up on it, then you’re not gonna like it most of the time. It’s a game I think is really grounded in nostalgia, like classic wow, but this game was released like 6 years before wow. I started getting back into osrs like last month and just the sheer amount of stuff to do where you choose and your knowledge and skill heavily impact how you progress is insane. Doing research on the wiki or talking to other players on strategies immediately help you and turn what could be a 30 hour leveling grind into 3 hours of leveling through optimal quests.

[@mrkatking1]

@@imp77776 Yeah, it's ancient lol. It's based on August 2007 version! It originally released in 2001.

[@CrippledMerc]

If Jagex was better about banning bots that are leveling accounts, and banning accounts that are being sold, it would heavily impact these kinds of people because the supply of max accounts wouldn’t be there for them to just buy and jump right back into max pvp where they can make money. However, they also have farms where they level accounts legitimately, rather than with bots. So it wouldn’t stop it entirely, but it would make it much more expensive to the point where it may not be profitable.

[@valthorlegrand]

pvp is like not even 5% of the game, jagex will never give a fuck until they can ban botting altogether accurately

[@HawtLS]

Easier said than done. Jagex is a relatively small team, and it’s an arms race with bots constantly. When a specific bot gets detected, and they target the software itself, they can ban a specific website or popular client. But there are thousands of people actively working on new and improved bot scripts everyday. So the most efficient route would be to auto detect bots and ban accounts that are found to be cheating. But RuneScape is a game where a completely legitimate player will click the same spot without moving their mouse for 19 hours in a row. You have to make sure not to ban real players, while still casting a wide enough net to ban the thousands of bot accounts created daily. Then bots find ways to work around detection algorithms, and the cycle continues. Every online game I’ve ever played has cheating problems. RuneScape is one of the games targeted the most, due to its simple gameplay (mouse clicking majority of the game) and ripe economy that makes it one of the most profitable games to cheat on. Bots will never go away in RuneScape. And I’d be lying if I said they don’t actually improve a lot of aspects in the game (keep g certain high demand items low in cost, making certain minigames very active and thus more efficient, and providing jagex with millions of dollars in account creation costs). I do still wish bots could be fully eradicated, but it’s clear that they aren’t going anywhere

[@startjim123456]

I need to be in the wilderness's and i refuse (group ironman) i can go just to lose my gear but even if i can win (never gone happen as there all cheating) i get nothing... I love to get an ironman only world as this is gone stop 1 problem that is ironman players get left allone as to play on the ironman world you need to be ironman and you cant farm gear of other players that way with PK bots but alas its never gone happen

[@_Professor_Oak]

not in 2024 anyway, the game OSRS is based on however, PvP was the end-game, and it was WAY more popular. Edgeville was packed every night after school.

[@HawtLS]

@ yeah, pre eoc pvp was peak, and the first couple years after osrs came out was also peak. But I think it’s slowed down since then because of the variety of pvm and Skilling content, and the relatively large barrier of entry now for pking. Everyone used to be equally terrible-now you have to be very good to even kill PvMers risking 300k. Outside of specifically wilderness agility and chaos altar, pking is too difficult for it to be popular

[@lotlizard7735]

Bots pay for mem. That's why anticheat is low priority.

[@NickG1010]

just for a bit of context, i mainly pk in the wild on osrs, i just avoid the north rev cave location , as there will be the high riskers - as there will also be the cheaters there. There still is a good pk scene in other regions tbf.

[@ddr1706]

Absolutely. This whole thing is overblown, likely for views (views = money). However I do agree with bringing attention to issues that desperately need fixing. The thing is, this won’t impact even .1% of players

[@mas5517]

@ 9:00 there's actually a pker that beats these type of bots, you've reacted to him before, Odablock

[@Gapeh0rn]

Must be a glitch

[@JustinLietz]

The goat

[@minoritymind]

Undisputed!

[@alhassirakhdugani5813]

I miss rs back in the day.

[@jmatt3281]

The atmosphere was awesome, now it's just not the same

[@Justaguywithglassesok]

Not only rs i miss when there was no sites for guides no meta no builds it was your adventure, and i miss that.

[@kuzz1191]

@@Justaguywithglassesok bro i was literally using guides for runescape in like 2005 idk what ur on about, theres always been guides atleast

[@lufcharrison2234]

@@Justaguywithglassesokthat happens with pretty much every game ever made lol

[@interactiveunicorn]

​@@kuzz1191Oh, I remember RuneHQ one. 😊

[@HotAkPL]

Funny how online banditry is now a thing you can do to make money.

[@Zeziliath]

Idk about other games but you could sell your gold way back in 2004, but some already sold on Runescape Classic

[@devinschwartz7596]

OSRS community is so strong. Love that game to death. It’s a lot more complicated than it looks, one of the most unique games out there

[@eviltoe7432]

Funny thing is one of the things people complained about with RS3 is the customizable interface. They said the customization was too over the top and was akin to cheating... Meanwhile all the plug ins on OSRS is waay to op

[@xx99strrxx]

It's not killing OSRS at all, its just damaging the smallest percentage of the community (pvp)

[@ryanblack3686]

Not the smallest, just not the biggest.

[@lol24891941]

Ever wonder why pvp went from the biggest percentage to a portion of what it used to be? Jagex ruined it with updates and neglect, hence why they don't care about ahks and bot clients.

[@VitrusHD]

Brain dead comment lol

[@tomtom-gi9eo]

If this isn't killing it, BrighterShores will 🙂

[@TheEagleAndTheApple]

​@@lol24891941 TRVE

[@MultiTrackDrifto]

Idk how devs don't ever just filter out literally impossible actions as cheats in every big game. Like in gta 5 you can get millions per second, teleport, fly in boats, and the servers don't flag that even though it's obviously cheating

[@hamburgerfatso]

Because this stuff is technically doable

[@BULD0SIS]

the game is already capped at 10 inputs per game tick (every 0.6 seconds) for the purposes you are talking about

[@lampisfun1139]

In a game where most high level players can do 8 actions in 1 tick perfectly consistently, detecting someone doing 10 actions in 1 tick is not very easy since normal people can do it, just not perfectly

[@diablo.the.cheater]

Because MMOs always want to minimize the shit that the server has to verify and compute as the cost scales with the number of players playing.

[@hulkhogan2113]

Only way jagex gets these pvp cheaters is if they are inexperienced with the cheats, if they spam way too many switches or do impossible actions like insta spec off a rune cbow. It's obvious to see the cheats in person but for jagex to detect it is pretty hard. Someone who's actually good at pking can hide there ahk use and make it look organic.

[@Spookyskelepr]

12:00 It's not a plugin thats using some osrs API, its literally a cheat that is injected into the osrs game client. But jagex can't do anything to combat that, since the legimate jagex approved Runelite client works exactly the same, It's just a Client that injects itself into the base client. I hope when jagex updates the official client with a plugin ecosystem that uses a jagex made plugin API, that jagex bans all 3rd party clients. Thats the only way to try to solve the issue with Cheat clients

[@mattdrifts]

There's still colour bots. While less capable but still an advantage

[@YodielandInhabitant710]

You can apparently inject cheats into the official jagex client as well. This needs a server side solution.

[@HawtLS]

Banning all third party clients wouldnt help, it would simply make the game significantly worse for legit players. Bot scripts are relatively simple to write, and bypassing anti cheat systems is constantly being worked on by thousands of people. No game has eliminated cheating completely. The most successful companies spend millions on giant teams of anti cheat teams, and those games still have plenty of hackers.

[@bigting6614]

Nice try, it’s literally just a plugin which you can make in intellij idea by cloning runelite since it’s open source and then use runelites API to code whatever you want as a new plugin

[@lampisfun1139]

@@YodielandInhabitant710you can, but its way easier to detect the cheats happening when you control every aspect of the client. Thats the point

[@devonwarnock2625]

0:50 practice in lms until you're comfortable with the mechanics, then spend some gp to get a few backup kits and send it.

[@VinceMouse]

Let's not forget that there's also a CCTV bot network that keeps track of the entire Wilderness, and see your inventory, so that PKers can hunt you down if you're carrying enough value on you. Combined with the Wilderness being designed to be inescapable beyond level 20, you have no recourse.

[@MasterReaperSID]

I don't think you know what your talking about, "Inescapable beyond level 20 wilderness."

[@VinceMouse]

@MasterReaperSID Dragonstone and certain other teleports being an exception doesn't change the fact that, once you hit 20 wilderness, the game doesn't want you leaving without heading back to lower level wilderness.

[@VinceMouse]

The main reason these plugins can swap things so fast, is because of the Tick system. If you input it all in one tick, you can do it all that fast without a plugin. But a tick is .6 seconds, and a bot can absolutely do 7 clicks in half a second, when real people can't.

[@Majora96]

Real people absolutely can do 7 clicks in half a second. But it takes experience and skill

[@Jeejicle]

$20 a month is actually crazy tho

[@schmiddy8433]

A lot of people who buy it are goldsellers. Very easy to make that money back.

[@teiced]

If you don't have a job, yeah.

[@notzoti]

there's losers that pay $150 a month for tarkov cheats, $20 is nothing .

[@ragedarchmage6888]

It is if you're not planning on making money off of it, most people that use that plan on selling the "profit" they make so realistically you spend $20 to make idk, $50-$100 in return, so you are making money.... so that $20 a month means nothing to them it might as well be free, now if you're not selling anything and just using it to "win" fights yeah it's a bit steep

[@ThisIsSparta300]

Bro the time u save working ONE HOUR equals all of that work 🤣

[@AbyssTTV]

MAMA WE MADE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS: MR EDITOR: you linked the wrong channel that ain't me 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Mike-pf1tv]

yo homie got that asmon react! love man been watchin your pk vids for awhile. really like the og pk stuff. i played in the mm and damge inc era

[@AbyssTTV]

@@Mike-pf1tv Go watch the video I made about the battle for control of mage bank then :)

[@TheGuren96]

Are you winning son 😢

[@PinkchinsOSRS]

We made it

[@AlrightThere]

I don’t pk in osrs but I know it’s a huge part of the game. You’ve done a great job at representing that part of the community 😎

[@styx953]

Worth mentioning is that pvp in runescape is about as relevant as pvp is in wow, most peoples just do pve/pvm so this dosen't affect them at all. It is basically a minigame at this point.

[@toddb.7016]

Some comments in this and the underlying vid are misleading and wrong, here's some corrections: 10:40 Multiple actions per input are not allowed in the game, AHK are also banned. You are right in its not a plugin (bc it isn't, its an external cheat.) 8:35 & 11:42 Plugins/addons like this do not exist, are not allowed to exist are checked to not exist within Runelite. They are also not allowed to be in the game. The cheats are external, Runelite or normal plugins have nothing to do with the existence of them. 14:17 It is definitely detectable by jagex, many bots from different aspects of the game get banned for it too and so do people in pvp, but the problem is it makes no difference if they get banned, they will purchase a new account and use that the next day. (like he said at 19:40) The notion of this being allowed is wrong. The notion of this begin an allowed plugin is wrong.

[@theletterk]

bro snuck in mayhem makers and thought we wouldn’t notice

[@Elimba78]

Yes the botting is so annoying, I use to make my money at grand exchange it was fun hobby, it was why I played runescape in 2023, but trying to mute bots, then a hour later new bots come on to spam and to block again over and over it is so annoying, game is trash for this reason.

[@bobmarley5454]

Get the anti-spam plugin for runelite

[@yannivazquez5311]

You can turn that off thru runelite. It’s under spam filter or something like that. Game became better for me after that, not seeing bots constantly spamming scams

[@Chesslover69420]

The best non-advertisement advertisement for cilenting I've ever seen.

[@killerbas40]

It's always the question with these videos what the real goal is. Same for the cheater interview, are 17/20 characters at revs really clienting? i mean there are many bots, but only a few pk clients. If he tells everyone is clienting in the wildy, other players may feel the need to also buy them; '' he doesn't want to get recognised'' but could just be asked by the seller to be interviewed to indirectly promote these cheats. If i knew this underground cheat seller makes alot of money, would i actually risk my life doing an interview where i risk his income, for which i'm not even being paid? Seems unlikely to me, but hey who knows

[@0100-d8m]

​@@killerbas40 Yeah, this video is going to make the PvP plugins take off even harder until either jagex does something about it or you start seeing additional PvP plugins competing on price/features, bringing in even more casual players not willing to drop $20 a month but willing to pay $5.

[@YodielandInhabitant710]

The guy that made the video was a big time max pvp player and literallu quit playing pvp because of these clients

[@gatorbait9385]

Peak RS pking was low-level mage battles north of Varrock. 1v1 were nail biters because you could get 2-shot, but its a multi-zone so grouping was huge

[@gatorbait9385]

Also, before teletabs existed, so your only option as a low level was to walk all the way back

[@kennymichaelalanya7134]

Member Elvemage? He was like 99 mage at combat level 40 or something

[@Rikent]

Back in 2004 I remember going deep wildy and whenever I'd be losing a fight I'd ask to team up and then backstab later on lmao

[@Cognitoman]

I did this back in 2002. Those were fun days and it was 3 hits

[@Cognitoman]

@@kennymichaelalanya7134omg!!! Dude ai remember that. Didn’t you have to do a quest to get these special magic spells too. Fucken forgot about that man. Also my buddy and a pure with a mage plate, or something crazy and everyone thought he was a unpure dueling, I think you could reset stats at some point or something before they even had dueling and if you had a rune plate on when you reset that stats it would stay on your character as long as you never took it off or something. It was like super rare

[@thefalchion]

I love osrs. I hate that jagex keeps trying to get non pvpers into the wilderness by adding super strong leveling methods, bosses and gear upgrades to lure players who dont care for pvp into the wilderness. Its like they're looking for cannon fodder to feed a dying community within the game, and the ones profiting/benefiting the most are the people who care the least about the health and integrity of the game, sadly

[@wellincolin]

For as "small" as the pvp community is, they are dedicated enough that they sabotaged several great polls that would benefit PvE just out of spite. They PvE and PvP communities are always at odds when it comes to the polls. You can't forget that at least for OSRS, pretty much every substantial change comes from a poll.

[@Deadpooln2b]

this shit is happening in Elden Ring as well, lots of people use infinite items for healing/arrows/bombs/buffs, almost all elden ring pvp streamers do it, and they did it in the previous Dark Souls games too. They think its fine to dupe items to skip grinding for them, but they also dupe items that you cannot grind for, like blessing of merika, preserving boluses, golem great arrows to name a few. Spit on these players if you see them, hawk thui

[@ZyoStar]

pvp in runescape has been an integral part since its launch, its only falling off because of sweats and cheaters, and jagex has no incentive to fix it

[@GleppaPigg]

Skibidi? Ongyatt

[@StackingGains]

It's not that they have no incentive, they are just mismanaged.

[@etherealpenguin8683]

jagex do want to fix this kind of stuff, thats why theyre trying to make their own client comparable to runelite, because eventually they want to snuff out runelite, runelite is the main reason these kind of cheats exist and go undetected, unfortunately though i think itll be too little too late, theyve not been able to commit enough resources into the client development quick enough to out pace the damage thats already been done, the wilderness/pvp also has problems beyond cheating/botting but atleast when they do finally gain control of their game again and can pull in the reins the game can start healing and faith in jagex from the community can slowly be restored, pvp though is a lost cause, it may have been integral at one point or another but its not why the majority of people play today and i dont see that changing going forward as the issue lies in complexity and barrier for entry, same thing happened to rs3, as the games evolved its only gotten harder and harder for new players to get into pvp, and its also not just an issue with new items coming into the game but new tech being discovered, the fond memories people have of runescape pvp are from a simpler time that can never be recaptured and sure, there are still some sweats that enjoy the complexity on offer now but its a monkeys paw because they are now the pvp community that jagex try to appease, and they get bored and want more tech added, new spec weapons like the voidwaker (a terrible weapon for pvp imo) that just further increase the barrier for entry and push us further away from the nostalgic times of pvping outside edgeville/varrock with dragon scimmys and daggers

[@HawtLS]

It’s not ready falling off though, in fact it’s more active than it has been in many years. People have been saying PvP is dead since RuneScape came out, and it’s never actually died.

[@_Professor_Oak]

@@HawtLS well technically, it hit a real rough spot after 10.12.07 😂😂 (until they brought in the first iteration of BH)

[@Zetherior]

Me a 35k hours wow player. Asmon on wow drama: i sleep. Asmon on osrs drama: real shit.

[@MrJmcd3737]

WIldy is already dead. If I ever go out to pvm, I assume, if I get attacked by anyone who isn't trash they must just botting (AHK'ing). And I bet im 95% right on that

[@lampisfun1139]

These arent “add ons” or “plugins” or “mods” these are straight up hacks. Theyre not allowed by the devs, you get banned when theyre detected, and you obtain them through third party suppliers.

[@1God1Fury]

Personally I don't care what they call them. My only question is: "Does it give unfair advantage?" If yes - it's cheating. Don't care how small it is. Accepting even light advantages is still an excuse for cheating and it will only grow bigger overtime and normalized to cheat if most of community use it to optimize their gameplay and getting edge over other players

[@DoobiousCreature]

Third party tools that let you play better should always unconditionally be ban-worthy offenses. You should NEVER as a company allow anyone to download and use tools that trivialize skill unless you plan to implement it as an official feature. Otherwise you have shitty situations where someone who installed the game fresh has to download 500 additional tools just to level the playing field.

[@tormstorm]

None of the «plugins» they talk about in this video is in any of the officially approved clients. It’s modified client with custom plugins which is against the game rules and will get you banned.

[@Elimba78]

The south american guy killing rs guy to pay for his lunch tomorrow was funny lol.

[@lampisfun1139]

Hes probably Venezuelan. Theres a really big community using osrs to make their wages because of how bad their economy is. Playing osrs literally makes as much as a doctor down there.

[@Telarius]

For those saying "Odablock can beat them!" No. He can't. If Odablock fought himself but who had the addon. He'd shit on himself. Oda wins because he skill gaps the bot users largely. The bot closes it but he niches out ahead.

[@minoritymind]

He can beat "them," not himself. Dummy.

[@Telarius]

@@minoritymind You're missing the point, they're saying he can win as if its a gotchya/proof they're beatble, but they're not when used by a skilled player, vs another skilled player, its 100% wr

[@minoritymind]

@Telarius Well, Oda literally put up a short of him beating one like a day or so ago. If 17/20 are these kinds of bots in the Rev caves, then surely he's killed many skilled PKers using them. He's proof that you can become skilled enough to still have a high win to loss ratio even if you don't win every time.

[@Telarius]

@minoritymind point went over your head reread

[@OldSchoolDudeGaming]

Pkers just love to talk about how important they are to RS’s survival but guess who kept RS3 afloat? Skillers/pvmers/casuals. Pkers make up such a small portion of the RS population,

[@benderisgreat95able]

They might be better off implementing instant loadout swaps as a feature, since it costs a lot of inventory space for food and potions to do that.

[@ariesthagemini6526]

14:20 auto input plugins, which are the main topic in this video. Are super difficult to detect. Mainly due to the fact that the player is constantly inputting their own unique mouse movements while pressing the shortcut keys to do the hard stuff for them, as well as the fact that any good plugins are injected directly into RuneLite, some bot scripts do this as well though and still get bans so its not the key problem with plugins being undetectable. Fully Automated Scripts are much more detectable due to consistent inputs and inevitable crashes from lack of micro managing on the user.

[@FallFactor]

Jagex is working on making their own client with third party plugins only accepted through a screening process done by themself. Removing third party clients all together seems to be their goal, probably to fix this issue.

[@YoureSoCreezy]

Im fine with this. I also hated addons in wow and agree with asmon completely. Ive never even touched runelite i just play the game normally

[@_Professor_Oak]

The cheaters will always find a way, but this will probably make a big difference.

[@clayk4753]

I remember when “old school RuneScape” was “RuneScape 2” back in the 2002

[@captaindanthefireman]

OSRS has the same skill cap as 1000m sharpshooting. There's 1000 different skills to learn and all of them take an ungodly amount of time to master. I hate this game and have over 1000 hours in it. Where Guthix sought balance in the world, I seek balance in oneself.

[@erikcrawford1505]

it’s kinda funny how RS3 doesn’t have these specific problems, they’re 100% against the rules and it tracks your key presses to tell what intervals and speed you type to determine if you’re a bot. although it’s pretty easy to get around by manually recording a macro that’s regular human speed with human timing. but that’s not nearly as broken as this.

[@leozetalol]

That's ironic, considering how many in OSRS shit on rs3 for being "ezcape"

[@erikcrawford1505]

@@leozetalol tbf to them, we do have a ton of quality of life stuff making the game "easier"

[@leozetalol]

@@erikcrawford1505 oh yeah for sure. Not gonna debate that. Though it's still is kinda funny to me, that OSRS also no longer really is like 06.

[@the__man]

@@leozetalol osrs never was except the first year. Rs2 was the original game. OSRS is a reddit led bastardization of the original

[@Ladywizard]

@@erikcrawford1505 especially our fast travel

[@alexhennessey926]

The big problem is Jagex has no incentive on banning botted accounts because it appears as paid membership. Sure the bots might make enough for the bonds but having an increased amount of people with “members accounts” probably looks better to the board members than “we have some bots in our game” sounds bad to those same board members. Edit - spelling

[@im600lbs]

in the osrs community its just cheating and botting, no difference than using an aimbot in rust, they also have automated bots that go around the wilderness killing people

[@AllStreetsEnd]

To add some context, their lead anti-cheat left awhile ago. Its been an issue.

[@lampisfun1139]

Hes been replaced since then and theyre working on something big(according to them) that will soon relieve a lot of botting and cheating. I think its just the switch to their official client but there could be more

[@AllStreetsEnd]

@lampisfun1139 you are probably right, iirc it's supposed to be ready soon. They already have community plugin devs working on migrations. So that would make sense.

[@Rondigity92]

Imo what feeds bots the most is Bonds which are essentially WoW tokens, it allows botters to pay for their membership without even needing to input any personal info.

[@leroyjenkins2639]

But without bot accounts buying them, whales would be less incentivized to buy bonds as the demand would be lower. Jagex is financially incentivized to ignore that particular problem

[@Rondigity92]

@leroyjenkins2639 jagex keeps prices high for items keeping them out of reach for most players, so players buy bonds to sell for gold to buy the items bots are selling.. bots then use that money to buy bonds with in game currency through the GE without ever having to connect them to any credit card or other irl payment stream that could trace back to them making it less risky for the botters. Jagex doesn't mind, they sell more bonds because of this. That's why the cost of a bond has increased in game, to encourage people to buy them with real world money to be able to purchase the things you need to enjoy the game. I came backnafter like 15 years in march but as an IronMan to avoid the p2w microtransactions.

[@Rondigity92]

@leroyjenkins2639 love the name btw

[@YodielandInhabitant710]

@@Rondigity92 They've always done this but it used to be done with stolen credit cards.

[@Rondigity92]

@@YodielandInhabitant710 now they don't even need to do that... less legal risk

[@nanopi]

The server software has to receive the packets from clients, and those can be recorded and checked for any wrongdoing. When that happens, it's up to the developers whether there is a immediately perceivable reaction or not but they can decide to put the player on a delayed ban to prevent figuring out what triggered a "detection".

[@ericlegacy8834]

I would think all Jagex has to do is delay the time needed to equip items in a row by a small amount.

[@Stoff_Rocks_Packs]

This isn't just a PvP problem it's a OSRS problem. People use cheat plugins for day-to-day PVE stuff too, it's just less visible.

[@dry-cleaning6255]

And the plugins exist because OSRS community can't live without Quest Helper and Treasure Trails autopilot plugin etc. which means Runelite is used by everyone. It's a self inflicted issue, considering OSRS has the voting system.

[@KiffgrasConnaisseur]

This is why MP games are *so much inferior* to SP games. Imagine not being able to mod, use QoL features or external resources because it would immediately destroy any balance the game had. It´s similar to the "curse of knowledge" within hardcore shooters.

[@noahchopson7136]

Imagine no competition or economy 😂

[@KiffgrasConnaisseur]

@@noahchopson7136 Oh yeah, because those things didn´t exist in the pre internet era...

[@noahchopson7136]

@KiffgrasConnaisseur it was around but you had to physically go to a tournament or set up a LAN, im not saying SP games or old MP games are bad, but surely you can admit competitive gaming blew up alongside people having access to the internet. Having a leader board for every player pushes competition way farther than a local group no? Plus I can't think of any way outside of dnd where a real economy could exist in a offline world

[@Majora96]

What is MP and SP?

[@noahchopson7136]

@Majora96 im assuming multi-player and single player

[@BilboBaggins236]

OSRS PvP - even when it doesn't look like it - has a very steep learning curve. For those who don't play the game, timing and position means everything. Clicking 6 exact slots in your inventory in 1-2 gameticks is really hard to nail every time. These addons doesn't only ruin the high end PvP scene, but also makes it almost impossible for anyone new to get into it, which was already really hard.

[@orangenasa]

even kernel-level anti-cheat isn't enough. You can just slap something on a $30 raspberry pie and it will work just fine even in a game like Valorant. People like to imagine that big E-sports titles like League and Valorant don't have cheaters but it's just not as obvious there.

[@antons7210]

PK has been dead for years, this is not killing RuneScape as a game by any means. Most of us don't touch PVP. I don't think people realize how much bigger PVM is, which is of course understandable when you're outside the bubble

[@Nick-ij5nt]

for all the people criticizing OSRS combat, go get a Phosani Nightmare kill and then talk to me

[@tormstorm]

👆

[@colinmarshall6634]

Most OSRS players would be happy if PVP died

[@jsportgarage7665]

Agree, majority of the game are PvMers.

[@krozareq]

True in many MMOs now. World PVP has just become a way for little kids to be more incredibly annoying than they already are.

[@ThoughtPolice77]

The tldr is that pking in osrs takes a ton of fast and precise clicking across different panels of the game (prayer,gear, food,potions) and that made it a niche to be good. Then there were plugins that only click for you Now there are now plugins that do not only that but predict what clicks you should do and eliminate a degree of human skill issue

[@Zippo_Squeeze]

RuneLite was fantastic for simple folk like me, because it allowed for pluggins like gpu changes, fog changes, and a quest helper to track quests and tell what to do next since so many of them are wildly unclear.

[@TheClandestineFox]

Fishing levels?

[@SidMajors]

99% of the players don't care one bit about all this lol

[@APolishedTurd]

Destro locks didn’t need a bot in MOP to solo a BG. You just needed two spells and one passive to be nearly immortal against being outnumbered. Rain of fire with the passive that made enemies burning generate extra burning embers and ember tap. Occasional fel bolts into those burning enemies generated even more embers. Near infinite instant cast 100k+ heals and you stacked haste>crit. So you spammed them fast AF. And when one isn’t paying attention because they are tunnel visioning against you you just spam a few chaos bolts at them and absolutely chunk their health out. I got tyrannical gladiator in MOP on a desto lock. Destro lock in MOP was the strongest class in the game by a large margin.

[@raybonsignore5290]

17:00 is why i dont play tarkov anymore. Was chilling in a quiet room on labs with my friend packing mags and such, and i just started taking hits to my thorax. No sound and we were in a spot that had cover on all sides. I tried to move spots and hid, but after a few silent hits, i died to a guy from several 7.62 to the chest. Also, my buddy didn't get hit at all and was left alone. Sure, i lost some gear, but it was the way i lost it that made me stop. This was around the time that the cheater wiggle video came out, and i just gave up. Love the game, but I can't stop thinking that theres cheaters everywhere.

[@skryze6381]

I made a new WoW account I think it was during WoD and ran a PvP bot to see how high it could get in arena (Aff Lock). It ended up getting close to 2k rating but I figured it would be able to get much higher. The CCs and switches were millisecond instant which was funny to watch. Surprised the account never got banned tbh. I also got Glad legit on my Lock and Mage so was expecting this to climb way higher but it just goes to show at high level PvP the players are even better than bots on a lot of occasions and rarely make mistakes. I’m sure there are some crazy expensive bots out there though which are even better

[@mathiasH9108]

Asmon should start a RS series tbh.. He can afk alot on the side while playing wow etc. The game has both very high skill requirements fo both pvp and pve. I would love to see that

[@here4dapart]

Thank you for using your big channel to bring attention to Runescape-related issues and even relating it to other games. I just discovered your channel and am gonna check out more vids! Noice!

[@papapsych2746]

Jagex doesn't have the hardware resources to be able to analyze the inputs of every person playing, basically if the player is unreported they are not looked into by their automated ban system.

[@FirestormDDash]

The other problem, OSRS is always the side to mainscape. So they dont care heavily until they start to bleed out. Infection setting in isnt their concern.

[@donovanbasile5002]

The sad part of this for me was that as a f2p player (I was in middle school, ofc I was broke) , I played right before and after RS3 released, pvp was the best way to level combat skills past a certain point. When I played, community was quite a bit more honourable. Shame to see it's just this crap now, even though I don't play anymore. Shoutout to the old guildies, miss y'all.

[@JfkNeedsWindWall]

A human can get multiple inputs per click, so maybe a good bot to avoid detection would randomize how many inputs are done each tick

[@brayden7649]

I've played RuneScape basically my whole life and can add some context to what you were saying at around 9:21. The game operates in 0.6s game ticks basically meaning an action can occur 100 times per second. You can actually win against these client users by switching to a different weapon and attacking the person all in 1 game tick. There are 3 attack styles, so the best that even the most broken clienters can do in that situation is predict a 50/50 on what attack style you're switching to. You have to be pretty decent at the game to do this well (which I'm not), but it is totally possible unlike what you're saying, which I'm sure is the case with cheaters in other games

[@ryanpatton1795]

1. hold a competition for the fastest item switches 2. if anyone exceeds the winners time = insta perma 3. profit

[@Soul_Wars]

oldschool runescape is propped up by 80 to 90 percent bots at all times. You cannot argue this fact.

[@selairium]

technically you can do that with any game, smash wasn't huge until the fan base made it huge, and then started having tournaments for it, samething goes for the og mario, way back in the 80s they used to have tournaments for the nes mario to see who could get the most score and also make it to the very end, any thing bro, anything can be an esport.

[@pineapplezpeno2703]

Round pegs do fit in square holes though

[@ShotokunWulf]

Jagex should just add auto swap armor , swapping armor is annoying anyway

[@natejewell8002]

Always enjoyed pvp in wow much more because there is more time to think. You’re thinking of how to line up a combo of abilities rather than an accurately time SA, triple eat, or 6 way gear switch’s. Don’t get me wrong, I love that about osrs for pvm and I also get why some people enjoy pk’ing so much, but it ain’t my jam

[@sunvesu]

I really want to see Asmon get a quest cape I think this would be insane content for him and his community. I would literally pay to see it and I'm sure many others would.

[@VinceMouse]

It's such a shame, RuneLite essentially makes the game playable in the modern day. Jagex needs to take some tips and incorporate some of these features, so people don't NEED to use alternate clients.

[@dermandosper2066]

we got TAS (Tool-assisted speedrun), now we have TAPVP (Tool-assisted player versus player), progress of years