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[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

Stoke is no joke! I was surprised that 12 combustion chamber engine worked, but they did it. Its a radically different design and its good someone is investigating it. Hope they can re-use both stages in commercial service. The Firefly 24 hour challenge was awesome too.

[@maakuw]

Same!! That hop test was phenomenal

[@user-om2os5yr6i]

Stoke should make versions that fit on top of SpaceX Falcon and SS "superheavy" boosters. Betting SpaceX will have to end up scrapping the SS can, and go with a Stoke upper stage instead, because SS cannot be turned around in less than weeks; each tile needs personal attention after a flight. There is no reason Stoke's thing couldn't be launched again the next day.

[@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958]

That would make a lot of sense. Maybe Stoke will make a Falcon second stage and contract for flights on the booster.@@user-om2os5yr6i

[@frankmcgowan9457]

​​@@user-om2os5yr6i Don't you think Starship should be tested at least once before you pronounce it dead? Let's see it fly and re-enter the atmosphere. I expect some warts will be found related to the heat shield and tile process but there is no way to know prior to the test.

[@NuclearFalcon146]

@@frankmcgowan9457 Not to mention Stoke could use lessons learned from Starship testing without having to spend the money themselves. We can debate the practicality of production Starship until heat death but as test articles they give invaluable data and learning. Let the testing program go on as long as it can be sustained.

[@bluesteel8376]

I thought SpaceX still needed approval from a fish and wildlife agency?

[@infernoplexx9562]

wtf 😭😭

[@johndoepker7126]

Yup....there's even a few environmental lawsuits out there...and also a review of how the new deluge system will affect the surrounding area.....might also get in the way of the second test flight....so who knows if October is even an option at this point....we shall see !!!

[@infernoplexx9562]

@@johndoepker7126 at this point they are tring to find anything to stop starship.

[@kokomo9764]

They do. That point was not mentioned.

[@Poe9320]

The FAA is managing the environmental side for them because the fish and wildlife is biased

[@NoblePineapples]

Tim from the Everyday Astronaut channel has a very cool tour of Stoke's facility. It is so unbelievably cool what they are doing in terms of design. It's an aerospike after all!

[@bureboburebo4188]

It wasn't their first static fire, but rather the first hop test. They'd had several prior static fires.

[@willud8699]

This reminds me of Chrysler's SERV from the early 1970s, an SSTO design as a shuttle alternative. It also had an aerospike engine in a similar configuration and was intended to be fully reusable. A great concept, but rejected by military requirements. I hope Stoke gets it done

[@grogman1911]

Damn, I'm stoked after this update!

[@alexlabs4858]

And here we are already approaching the third starship flight! Launch cadence is improving!

[@stubbysidwell]

Great video. I watched the testing of the firefly rocket on the SlowMoGuys channel.

[@The_Isaiahnator]

I'm really excited about Stoke Space. The way they reconfigured a few things to separate their upper stage from all others is genius. Rocket Lab's Neutron Rocket is pretty cool as well, but Stoke has made the bigger innovation IMO.

[@linseyyoung1772]

Yeah. Not everything needs a behemoth like Starship. If and when we get to the era of fully reusable launch vehicles, there's going to be a huge demand for medium lift. If things work out for Stoke they could take a huge share of the launch market.

[@budimanleonardo6085]

it did not separate

[@jhill4874]

I would like to see tech like this and Dream Chaser mated up with Falcon Heavy.

[@mymixedbiscuit9159]

It'll mate with Vulcan Centaur.

[@UghIHateTheseThings]

@@mymixedbiscuit9159I’d be happy to see either. The more diversity in these technologies, the better

[@NathanRae]

Glitch transitions make my epileptic eyes and brain hurt. Apart from those, great video.

[@NathanRae]

No sorry I couldn't get to the end of the video. Not knowing when the next flashing jumping transition is too much .

[@appliedfacts]

Me too!! I hate glitch transitions. They hurt my eyes and brain too.

[@Junyo]

Unfortunately, this video is based on the WRONG ASSUMPTIONS (aka bad research). The FAA has stated yesterday that there won't be a final ok before late October, but that a launch license also depends on the OK by the wildlife organization that might take a bit longer. Anyway...no launch for AT LEAST another month/4 weeks. End of October AT THE EARLIEST. Not "very soon" as this video states.

[@jroar123]

Stop calling SpaceX Starship launch a mishap. It is a test bed that made it off of the Launch Pad as predicted. The damage to the stand was also predicted. They were in the process of building the new water deluge system and planned on incorporating it on the next launch, which will happen very soon now. The best we can hope for on the next launch is if Starship separates from the booster. That's it. That's the next goal. If it has an unpredictable disassembly then fine, it's a test.

[@NicholasNerios]

Love hearing about the private companies. And what's up with the fish and wildlife agency stopping SpaceX?

[@texan-american200]

NGL, Stoke engine test burn looked very "STEAM PUNK" with the flames coming out near the nosecone while the engines were running.

[@willud8699]

Those weren't flames, they were backlit Truster outputs

[@texan-american200]

@@willud8699 Call it what you want, but I'm sure if you reach out to touch it, I'll bet that you'll have a lump of charcoal for a hand . 🫱🔥🍖😬

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Is amazing what u can say when you are jealous 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆

[@darioruiz5359]

The first stage engines are methane and are still under development. The second stage engines seen in the video are hydrogen, not methane.

[@endofdays7568]

This company is decades behind spacex

[@M167A1]

On the first stage, certainly. On the second stage they're actually doing something SpaceX really wanted to do but decided they couldn't or that it wasn't worth it. If SpaceX wasn't so focused on starship, I bet they'd try to buy these guys out.

[@plainText384]

Unlike Stoke Space (and BlueOrigin), SpaceX hasn't developed a high efficiency hydrogen-oxygen engine.

[@paulps9995]

Irrevelant, SpaceX is more than half a century behind NASA.

[@colinberg3342]

Terran R is fully reusable too. Also New Glenn will be eventually.

[@UghIHateTheseThings]

Terran R isn’t anything because it doesn’t exist yet.

[@AChanceOfReign]

Each day, we're getting closer to having full-on Starships from Sci-Fi media. I need my Millennium Falcon!

[@smartengineering8934]

You sure Stoke Space's engine ring is methane powered? It seemed they were going for hydrogen powered engines to take advantage of greater ISP in space on their second stage.

[@WWeronko]

Stokes is an interesting concept. However, it is a very long way from launching. I'd like to see a first stage prototype before I get too excited.

[@SebastianWellsTL]

I agree it will likely be a couple years before Stokes is as developed in their design as SpaceX's Starship. It's good to see at least the beginnings of competition with the SpaceX Starship, though!

[@mymixedbiscuit9159]

Wait isn't New Glenn, SLS and Vulcan Centaur the Starship competitors?@@SebastianWellsTL

[@lillyanneserrelio2187]

3:48 to skip to Firefly update

[@gregsteele806]

Hmmm, exactly how much payload can this thing get into orbit? Looks more like competition for the Falcon 9 than the Starship. Edit: Nevermind. I looked it up on their website, and they won't tell us. Doesn't give me hope for competition with Starship.

[@appliedfacts]

The starship is currently rated to lift 100 tons using Raptor 2 rocket motors. It will increase upto 150? tons after Rapter 3 motors are installed. There is no estimate on that time frame. I have recently read about SpaceX developing a 1337 rocket motor that will do even more payload. Competitors have no hope at all of catching up with starship for the forseeable future.

[@peterprins862]

When it comes to size, it's definitely more on par with Falcon 9 then with Starship. However where Falcon 9 is only partially reusable, Stoke's rocket will be fully reusable.

[@davebooth5608]

This one’s for you wherever you are

[@screally1152]

Nothing about the wildlife and fisheries news?

[@appliedfacts]

The latest information that I saw was that as of about September 17, 2023 the Department of Fish and Wildlife had not started to look at the data and application at all. I hope that is wrong or at least they don't drag it out in an extended power trip.

[@duxfalco]

9:52 why wouldn't you have said... "stoked", lost moment. love this channel, just ribbing

[@JosephDent-qd9ih]

Can we examine Tesla coil idea to make artificial gravity in outer space.?

[@__Just_This_Guy__]

Stoke's engines are hydrogen fueled, not methane.

[@petersteinmeijer519]

Both Starship and booster are to land ( or is it crash ? ) into the ocean, but have Space X even started work on that chopstick catching system for future landings ?

[@Charison22]

Yes, they recently upgraded the chop sticks to be able to hold the new and updated starship.

[@davidcadman4468]

They are working on a tower at Kennedy Space Center beside 39A launch pad. As well, as a replacement tower at Pad 40 for the Dragon/F9 launches. That will replace the Old 39A Launch Pad, which will be used for launching manned Starships.

[@timboatfield]

Likely Yes, 100s if not 1000s of times with digital twins in a physics simulator.

[@petersteinmeijer519]

Some time ago they planned to catch only the booster because it was supposed to be able to hover and move sideways into/onto the chopsticks. What was/is the plan with starship ? Is it supposed to simply land on the sticks with pinpoint accuracy ? Only one try ?

[@timboatfield]

Other than weight and size the technology is the same on both. Both are fitted with catch points, which are used by the chopsticks to lift it in to position. If you'd been paying attention you probably would ask such halfarsed questions. @@petersteinmeijer519

[@sjhaji]

Yeah Sir

[@cagecurrent]

Upper stage run on hydrogen and not methane as I understand it...?!?

[@ferencbardos6352]

Upper stage is hydrolox, not methalox.

[@CoreyKearney]

The FAA really put their foot in their mouth. What wasn't made clear is that list, in fact the whole investigation was compiled by SpaceX. The FAA just needs to see the list and approve the measures on it. It's vague because it's the public release version. They Didn't make the list, they didn't just drop it on SpaceX's lap and say this need to be done! This is a list of all the things spaceX has done, or plans to do to keep the launches safe.

[@user-om2os5yr6i]

Nonetheless, I predict launch will be postponed into next year.

[@TheBooban]

Is it the FAA’s fault or the media misrepresenting what the FAA said? Wouldn’t be the first time.

[@dwightmills9773]

SpaceX and the FAA created the list together while they investigated the first launch together, side by side, with NASA observing.

[@user-do5zk6jh1k]

​@@TheBoobanIt's almost always the media

[@CoreyKearney]

@@TheBooban PR isn't a top priority for the FAA, but given the subject matter, you'd think they'd choose words more carefully.

[@gkennedy0969]

I think The Hopper Is an amazing idea, the only issue I can potentially see, is that Dish may have that word Trademarked at this point because of their Dish Hopper Satellite System Tv Box Sets ya know. But otherwise that ring idea is genius, honestly I think it could benefit Elon Musk. He should just buy them, and fold their company into his, in their own like offshoot special department that whoever is the owner now would be the chairperson of that department so to speak.

[@TheStrike101]

Now you know why government progress is much slower than private progress 😂

[@mohammadsattar5488]

That landing looked cgi it.was so good

[@narq5099]

How does a regenerative heat shield work? Explain it to me as if I were stupid (because I am).

[@venkat.sairam]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:12 🚀 SpaceX CEO Elon Musk clarified that they have completed all 57 items required by the FAA for Starship's second launch, with the remaining six issues intended to be addressed after the next test. 01:50 🚀 SpaceX's Starship prototype super heavy rocket is close to a launch attempt, pending final flight preparations and the installation of the new flight termination system. 03:39 🛰️ Firefly Aerospace successfully completed a military test, launching a satellite into low Earth orbit within 27 hours as part of the Space Force's victus Knox initiative. 06:12 🌌 Stoke Space demonstrated promising technology with its Hopper 2 test vehicle, including a regenerative heat shield and a unique propulsion system, paving the way for fully reusable rockets. Made with HARPA AI

[@robertmartens7839]

Firefly is all about weaponizing space. Stoke is years away

[@Jam-In-With-Ben]

hi

[@runningray]

Kathy Lueders pronounces her name as "Leaders". FYI.

[@satyajitkalita]

Typing❤️

[@thisguyhere85]

Um... I think Stokes fuel is Hydrogen. Uperstage LH2/LOX

[@thisguyhere85]

Fully reusable stage 1 7x LNG/LOX engines.. is natural gas... second is Hydrogen

[@kellydon2294]

Very good presentation! I had lost interest, stopped watching one guy and recently skipped though another I'm still subscribed too. You lit my pilot light again. Maybe the flame isn't completely out yet after all. Liked! annnnd.... what the hell! Subscribed!

[@dakotagriffin4737]

Stoke space is not the only. I am planning on my own version of starship called the altair but I have to get my Levi-1 rocket to fly

[@MzGetsBaked]

unfortunately u need more money or more content to announce this.

[@dakotagriffin4737]

@@MzGetsBaked true we only have started

[@jimmysalt8825]

​@huntrclips4754 lol what is that guy smoking?

[@dakotagriffin4737]

@@jimmysalt8825 weed

[@appliedfacts]

@@jimmysalt8825 Whatever it is, it is taking him to space far cheaper and sooner than any rocket can!!

[@linseyyoung1772]

Stoke's upper stage is hydrolox, not methalox as you stated. C'mon guys, you can do better than making mistakes like that. If you've got that wrong, what else have you gotten wrong?

[@ferencbardos6352]

You're absolutely right. Be precise, authentic!

[@tylergerhart4806]

They said October for starship launch, but failed to mention the fish and wildlife have there own investigation that could take up to 135 days. The added water system is the issue. Will that be a problem with wildlife...

[@MaxStax88]

Ha, starship is the only competitor that new Glenn has

[@edvard5697]

Right and it isn't hobbled by Be-4 engines.

[@MaxStax88]

@@edvard5697 right, not just 1 but 7 bazzookkassss coming out dat a$$ is gonna be popin. SX nt gonna know what hit’em

[@dennymoningka]

Russia and China laughed at the FAA making things difficult for Spacex

[@paulps9995]

And the West laughs at Russia & China's Kleptocracy governance. Look at the Russian military half the equipment is stolen & the poor soldiers get slaughtered by the much smaller military of Ukraine. And China, you blatantly & arrogantly stole so much IP from the West that we have decided to put a halt to it. As Confucius said "Biting the hand that feeds you leads your economy to collapse" or something similar. Hahahaha. It's a long downhill slide for China now. Think of Japan's two decades of no growth. Your turn times four, buddy.

[@Michael-jd5vf]

Here we go with the hypes. Why are humans like that? Rooting for the underdog.

[@Keemperor40K]

It's no surprise that reusability is becoming more and more common. Space X and to a lesser degree Blue Origin already proved that the technology can be done and that it can save time and money. It's just a matter of time before more and more companies start to appear with new ideas and technologies as this space race really heats up and the commercial surface to orbit industry really matures. Space X is of course way ahead of the pack, but there are many who want to rival them and surpass them and these will appear in time. It is the legacy manufacturers (Boeing, ULA, ESA), who have to get their game together to get into the reusability and fast cadence that will dominate the space industry in the near future.

[@M167A1]

Blue Origin is a bit of a joke. Let them fly a few times and people will stop laughing.

[@paulps9995]

This is correct & hopefully, China is also a legacy manufacturer. Have you seen their copy of the Starship? Their constant stealing of technology is not conducive to innovation. The West has wised up. As you might say at a Maccas downunder "Do you want chips with that?" The answer to China is.... "Make your own".

[@jackson2uk]

Comment down below

[@icare7151]

2024 likely if not 2025. SpaceX should have returned my calls and emails.

[@mannyricketson4517]

Stoke space looks likethey know whats up besides some of them are X employees

[@yoyo-jc5qg]

that stoke rocket is going to save alot of money by being fully reusable, other space companies throw away their 2nd stage and fairings every time wow

[@olafmesschendorp147]

Not fairings

[@TheBooban]

IF

[@sandysand3097]

won't matter. Starship is to good if it pans out

[@costrio]

Confusion FAA documents aren't clear? So, what else is new in government business practices -- not?

[@jameswilson5165]

And the Governor of Texas stated about the delays...... nothing. Come on, Abbott! You had better get in the game or watch the backside of Musk as he takes his toys and heads for Florida. And Bill Nelson? Where the heck are you?

[@davecarr9889]

If i ever win the lottery im calling elon to build me a spacecraft and leaving the planet 😊

[@paulr4353]

It seems the FAA is doing all it can to slow SpaceX. Hopefully, the next advancement in space vehicles is the ability to carry enough fuel so as to allow the craft to slow down enough to simply drop to earth, saving the weight and complexity of the heat shield.

[@Lanchon-tf6px]

Perhaps counter thrust using the vacuum engines to slow the decent

[@duckvs.chipanddale585]

bro your stupid the amount of energy that that would take is pretty much the amount of energy that you need to get into orbit so you would either a: use orders of magnitude more fuel or b: just have a heat shield

[@paulps9995]

@@duckvs.chipanddale585 No it's not. Most rockets return empty, massive difference. It will chew up a bit of extra fuel though. It's just rocket science as far as I know.

[@duckvs.chipanddale585]

@@paulps9995no it wont just chew up some extra fuel 10 iq it won't have the atmosphere to slow it diwn

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[@gargamelandrudmila8078]

You are joking. This upstart Stokespace does not have reusable rockets. The new design has to be reusable and the stages as well. I hope they will be but I doubt it.

[@kokomo9764]

Duh, they demonstrated much of the ability to do it. Did you bother to watch the video? A hopper lifted off, maintained control, and landed. Exactly what SpaceX Hopper did a few years ago.

[@StevenRedcay-gw5ci]

This thing hasn't even flown yet besides its made of plastic ? What happen to ocean gate sub will probably happen to thing ! ! !

[@reganmorben9248]

Mariner MARE-IN-ER not marine-er

[@satyajitkalita]

Text.

[@jtit2025]

New Glen is starships competitor

[@duanenelson825]

Lol not even close to the starship.

[@Goulmy86]

Isn't Mr Musk going to a trail by Senate over his actions of shutting down Starlink for Ukraine?

[@jonse5a]

He didn't shut it down for Ukraine, he refused to turn it on for Crimea.

[@appliedfacts]

I have not seen anything about the government getting involved, just a lot of criticism from social media. If I was in his place I would have left the Starlink service on in Crimea, but then I am an old school veteran from the cold war. Putin's puffing about nukelear war does not make me panic into submission. He knows (and for what its worth) Biden said that any regime that uses nukes will be ended. I firmly believe that Putin understands that would be his reality.

[@edvard5697]

According to Musk USA sanctions against Russia prohibit Star Link from providing service to Russia. Interestingly, SpaceX apparently does not differentiate between Russia and Russian occupied territory. Perhaps this is due to the State Department's lack of understanding when drafting sanctions. So SpaceX never turned on service to Crimea. If this is true then bad planning by Ukraine. After this PR fiasco Musk says he didn't think he should be making these kinds of Star Link service decisions. So Star Link has sold a number of satellites to the Pentagon so they can provide service at their discretion. Oh and does anyone recall that about two months into the current Ukrainian war that Russian made a veiled threat about using a nuke to take out meddling LEO satellite communication networks?

[@Goulmy86]

@@jonse5a not according to Ukraine

[@Stubby0266]

Learn to pronounce "mariners" correctly.