This Company knows Business. - VShojo & Ironmouse Follow Up

[@jack_shippo]

Do you want me to do more videos on VShojo and any of their talent? Let me know! If enough people want me to continue making content about them I'll do it - it's a lot of fun looking into! I'll be doing a scripted video every Friday moving forward, so please look forward to it!

[@drautch]

yaaas boy!

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

Yes please - VShojo has been very inspiring for me, and I adore all the talents they have. I know they've made mistakes - don't we all? But I know they've grown beyond those mistakes and learned to do better. They wouldn't have attracted Mata, Kuro, Henya, Geega, Kson, or any other talent if they were that terrible.

[@daisukeniwa402645]

Vshojo isn't the only company that knows business. Just look at Cover/Hololive they wouldn't be #1 Vtuber agency for nothing

[@DeValiere_]

Yeah, I've got to the point now where I fully expect any positive comment I make about VShojo or one of their talents will attract at least one hater comment. They just can't help themselves. My dad always used to say some people aren't happy unless they're miserable.

[@Tymaishu80]

You dad is a wise man.

[@jack_shippo]

Thats very very true - unfortunately a lot of people get so comfortable with being negative and miserable they don't know how to get out of it, is what it is with a lot of those people sadly lol. Good mind set to have, thanks again!

[@Duamerthrax]

It pisses me off. Apparently Froot is distancing herself from the other talents because she doesn't want them to get overflow hate.

[@jack_shippo]

@@Duamerthrax Aw really? That sucks :(. I just saw recently about her diagnosis (At least im like, 99% sure it was recent? Apologies if im behind on it) and I can understand how everything can be a struggle on top of that too - I have similar issues and they're rough - no one deserves to deal with that drama stress, hoping she's OK and able to get back into things soon.

[@DeValiere_]

@@Duamerthrax Yeah. Mouse made it REAL clear on a stream recently that she had Froot's back. The haters are even saying now that Froot made up her autism diagnosis to garner sympathy. Some people are just sick. SMH

[@TinyGremolin]

"I think more people should focus on having fun" AMEN brother.

[@jack_shippo]

I spent A LOT of my life stuck in my own head thinking that I couldn't do that - it's hard some days, but ya gotta just let go, and have fun and enjoy life. Thanks for the comment and for watching, appreciate you tiny gremolin! (Love the name lol)

[@SarumanTheStinky]

4:20 Just to add how awesome Gunrun and Ironmouse is, one of their new talents K9KURO speaks about how he had a huge tax debt due to some mismanagement from his past company and he wasn't offered any assistance from said company, and out of desperation he messaged some of his friends asking for advice and that includes Ironmouse and Mousey is the first to respond. Not only she helped Kuro, Gunrun offered help aswell with connecting him with the right people and this is not a one time thing this is months of back and forth assistance.

[@jack_shippo]

Oh damn that's crazy - I hope Kuro is able to get that in check, debt can be ROUGH to deal with - also just another thing that shows how good of a person Mouse is, she seems like the type to bend over backwards for her friends, and it shows through her actions. It's awesome that Gunrun helps out too - just solidifies they're good people.

[@Duamerthrax]

Talent owned IP vs Company owned IP is a complicated issue and comes down to what the talent WANTS to do and what the talent CAN do. People compare Vshojo to Mythic, but Mythic only really arranges for sponsors, not organize concerts. I don't really think it's worth worrying about what model is the best, but which company(and its management) matches the talent working for them. Cover solely own the Hololive talent's IP, but they have really good retention. Cover also doesn't seem to care if you have side gigs in your free time so long as you bring your A Game to the company. PhaseConnect is a relatively new player, also have really good retention and their are fairly unrestrictive with their talents. Phase had a really unstable first year, but their CEO was new to the businesses and actually adapted to his talent's needs and now looks like they're primed for a lot of growth. There's plenty of examples companies loosing talents faster then they can bring in new ones, so I wont name them. It isn't that one model is better then the other, but what does the talent want to do and will the company actually come through on their end.

[@leoscrymgeour5881]

Man this is a great video and I agree what you said about drama let go it happened in the past and people can learn from their mistakes some people just was a excuse to hate I’d also love to see video of you covering other members of vshojo I think henya would be a good one to talk about

[@jack_shippo]

Thanks! Yeah it's definitely the plan to keep working on videos for each member - I learned a lot video-creation wise from these two I did, so I'm hoping to be able to structure the ones about each member better over time.

[@leoscrymgeour5881]

@@jack_shippo neat I’ll be looking forward to the video

[@IWatchYouTubez]

I really appreciate the captions!

[@jack_shippo]

I'm glad! I started to put them in all my videos when I can - did they work well for you? Easy to understand and such, not to fast? I'm still working on figuring out the best way to present them.

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

I've been a fan of VShojo and its talents since before VShojo was an idea. When the girls first announced they were joining a brand new vtuber company in late 2020, I was enamoured with their enthusiasm and passion for talent first content creation. It was such a contrast to Hololive English, which at the time was THE vtuber corpo to watch in the West. For me, that mattered far more than the heavily produced "idol" productions of Hololive. Currently, VShojo-while still relatively small but also growing-is in the perfect position to become the premier Western vtubing company. Canada's Phase Connect is also gaining in popularity and as a Canadian myself, I want PC to grow more. As it stands, the current "holy trinity" of Western vtuber corpos IMHO consists of Hololive English, VShojo, and Phase Connect.

[@jack_shippo]

I wish I had gotten into VTubers back then - I'd probably be in a much different place content wise, and I'm pretty sure I would have had my own model at this point lmao - but its so cool that you've been a fan of them for so long! I definitely agree that they're in a good position - I'm still a complete newb to the entire vtuber space and everything, but from what I see they definitely have the potential to skyrocket. I'm planning to eventually look into Hololive and Phase Connect a bit more too!

[@Darkeus1]

I love Phase Connect but they had a WILD beginning. They are not know as the Sad Girl Group or the Mental Health Group for nothing. But damn I love Tenma and Luni. 😂

[@jack_shippo]

@@Darkeus1 ooooffff well with how messed up my own head is mental health wise I'd probably vibe with them 🤣🤣🤣

[@Cleron_O_Andarilho]

Forgot that Melody come up with Vshoujo idea, she let the command to focus on content creation

[@jack_shippo]

*makes note for if/when I do a video about Mel* I legit read that bit briefly when I was looking into VShojo stuff, but it completely slipped my mind since I didn't note it down and didn't see it elsewhere lol - ty for the reminder! For sure next time.

[@drautch]

YOOOOOOOOO and he dropped it the day after Ironmouses concert. what great timing!!!! the girls have fun together because VShojo lets them recommend who they want new members to be so they pick people they have worked with and know they connect with so it always ends up just being friends playing with friends and not new co-workers you have to adjust to. No other org does that with hiring.

[@jack_shippo]

Haha wanted to start off March on the right foot with keeping up with video releases - so it worked out perfectly! That concert was awesome too, first time I ever watched a vtuber concert thingy, was a really neat experience.

[@aurinrakkun8589]

And people saying 'Oh, nepotism!' like that's not a very common thing in business in general.

[@jack_shippo]

@@aurinrakkun8589 I think a lot of people just don't understand the thin line between business practices and nepotism - like yea, sometimes businesses go into "nepotism" a bit, but its just how it is - guarantee that any small local office has more nepotism going on than any VTuber group for sure lol - it really is so common place.

[@SolitaryLark]

The Vshojo drama was handled by all parties involved AGES ago and anyone still holding a grudge frankly is really lost the sauce.

[@jack_shippo]

TRUE. People just love to hold onto drama like that lol it's crazy

[@CarlFox]

Anti's gonna anti, and VShojo had 'em from the start, sadly.

[@moonlight6713]

Hell yeah I completely agree with your take on the drama. People/the internet love to bring up years old drama to hate on Vshojo and ex Vshojo members. They make a situation that they're not a part of their life. Also, they started their Japan branch with Kson and Nauzna, and then Henya joined in the past year. Love the vid 👍🤙❤️

[@jack_shippo]

Yeah - I see too many people out there just get SO hooked onto drama and such, it's like dang dude, just watch something to make ya happy and let that go lol AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT - I forgot! This was my first time writing like a "follow up" type of video, and I had talked about Kson/Nazuna starting it up w/ Henya joining in later on the first video, just completely left my mind to mention it again here when writing the follow up lol - thank you for the reminder!

[@Tymaishu80]

You are so right about the drama stuff, it's old and dead, leave it in the past where it belongs. Besides that, loved the video, great vibes. I like to see and hear about the experiences of people who are still new or just getting into vtubers.

[@ILHillbilly67]

They know that if you support your talent retail or make a lot more money because it will be less stressed and have to deal with less things and just worry about the Content. And as long as they keep doing that they’re going to keep attracting quality talent that will make them a lot of money and make themselves a lot of money to. I really wouldn’t be surprised if certain birds wound up there

[@jack_shippo]

I'm glad that I know enough about the current state of VTubers that I know the certain bird you're referring too, and here's hoping, I think it would be a wonderful change.

[@jameyknapp9299]

engagement comment go vroom! but, seriously, enjoyed the vid.

[@jack_shippo]

Hahaha well thank you for the engagement comment, it is EXTREMELY appreciated lol Glad ya enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

[@ericbaek3706]

vshojo is a great company. Sometimes when they have fun, forget they are with Vshojo. That's what a company should be.

[@jack_shippo]

Facts! Same thing for any job - if you're having fun with it then it doesn't feel like a job/company ya know?

[@Karpens16]

Mowtendoo was surprising, where have I heard that name? Apparently he's the same guy that made crazy youtube poop music videos back in the day.

[@jack_shippo]

Hah no way! I knew his name sounded familiar, sounds about right.

[@Jmt1000XD]

Once again, great video! In my last response I talked about the rabbit hole and what to go with next. As much as I would love to selfishly say to do more Vshojo girl videos, I also recognize that growing your community is also important. So to be unbiased, if you want to do well numbers wise, Hololive is a great video topic. They are the most successful company and have the most love from the community of vtubers. I don’t know much about them though. All that said, if you want to do another video of Vshojo, I’d recommend Zentreya, Henya or Kson. The only thing I’d recommend is that you be respectful to Vtuber traditions. Past lives (characters they played in the past) can be sore subjects to certain vtubers and it’s a taboo to mention them blatantly. HOWEVER, it is okay to imply it. For example, Henya used to be another Vtuber called Pikamee. And If you were to mention her past, you can mention elements of it, talk about her general experiences and other things. Though, one final note on it. That’s only if you are, or are interested in being in the Vtuber arena. Since you’re outside that sphere, you could get away with saying their PL (past life) name. Its really up to you. Have a wonderful day! Side note: I know for sure that Kson doesn’t mind talking about her past life. She often jokes that her favorite Vtuber is her past life character 😂😂😂

[@jack_shippo]

Thanks for the comment and the tips! Yah I want to start looking into other VTuber groups as well, figure keep growing and bettering myself talking about what I know/learning about now and move on to other things. Never wanted to just keep to one niche, but I've always been into anime, so streaming/gaming vids and anime combined = vtuber, so it works out that I'd branch off into that space lol - I'll definitely start looking into Hololive too! Thanks for the info on their "past lives" as well - I didn't know that was a thing. Also you are BLOWING MY MIND that Henya was Pikamee back in the day, I never knew that lol she's one of the ones that I had known about/seen clips of (Mainly her, Gawr Gura, Filian and Neuro are the ones I saw clips of before getting into Mouse's stuff) that's cool - but at the end of the day, in my eyes, they're two different creators ya know? I appreciate the heads up on how its a vtuber tradition to not discuss them, I still have a lot to learn lol so any feedback (positive or negative) is always welcome! Have a wonderful day as well, thanks again for the support! If you're ever interested we do have a Discord server as well if ya want to join in (discord.gg/DGw6hPvGT6).

[@Jmt1000XD]

@@jack_shippo So, just for a little extra context. I would normally say, Check out the big vtuber orgs like Nijisanji and Hololive, but Nijisanji... They umm, have been getting a lot of (deserved) hate recently. I won't go into the details, but TLDR: There's a negligent, toxic work envirionment within the company that was recently exposed when a HUGE vtuber left the company. She tried to take her own life and was eventually fired and there came a huge backlash from the entire vtuber community. So yeah, Nijisanji is a little too hot for now. On the point about Pikamee and past lives. Please, I implore you to watch a clip. It's called "Kuro watches a Henya clip that's not supposed to be watched... " by RabbitholeCh It's K9Kuro, coincidentally Both a new member of Vshojo and an EX member of Nijisanji... haha Anyway, in the clip Kuro finds himself doing an oopsy. Lastly, if you're interested in how Kuro deals with his OWN past life. Watch THIS clip first, THEN the Henya clip: "Kuro's KZbin Home Page keeps reminding him of something...." by the same channel. It'll help give you context to how past lives still HEAVILY affect the Vtuber's lives. Vtubers have complicated lives huh? haha

[@billyxxxx1738]

Iregardless of what one thinks of Vshojo, they are doing a hella of alot better than OTHER Vtubing 'companies' recently. For now.

[@jack_shippo]

You aren't wrong lol that's still something I want to look into, ya know current status of other vtubing companies, but I'm still new to it all so don't have much to say yet. Here's to hoping VShojo doesn't stray and keeps doing what they're doing and getting better and better.

[@Tolhurst_2222]

Really liked the video. Great quality in content and production. I would love to see you make videos for each member of VShojo. I would recommend watching Zentreya, she's an amazing streamer with crazy content and an awesome community. That being said all VShojo talents are worth a watch.

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you thank you! I try lol - and yea I love watching Zen's stuff! she's super fun, a true gamer - I've been enjoying her retail store game streams recently. I need to try and join some more Discords eventually too.

[@x149te]

Vshojo is the best company for big indies. But I like watching small unknown people getting attention and glory rather big girls and boys becoming bigger. Phase Connect, IdolEN, even Hololive. Fuwamoco as grat example of saving unfortunate twins. From niche girls who lost their job to rising stars. Vshojo is great place to work, but We will not see this kind miracles, because this is place for big birds, not for nobodies with big potential.

[@jack_shippo]

True! I always want to try and support small creators, it's one of the things I look forward to being able to do if I ever grow more on here or Twitch - I like supporting those who need it. I'd love to do some videos on smaller creators in the future, but have to grow to be able to get to that point, so hopefully one day.

[@autohmae]

I see VShojo as a talent agency and some of the others as idols agencies. Just look at Amuse as a talent agency in Japan to know what I mean. They aren't perfect, but most of what they do when things aren't as great.. is because of financial pressure. For example One Ok Rock left and kept everything they do. And I think they also existed before they joined Amuse. These companies seem more like 'facilitators' than anything else.

[@jack_shippo]

Interesting - I never even realized bands like One OK Rock would be in a talent agency, makes sense though. As huge of a weeb as I am, I never got into talent agencies and such lol so still a lot to learn.

[@autohmae]

@@jack_shippo well, think of record companies of the past as well: their are 2 opposite ends, some have a producer who came up with the concept, selected the people, music, etc. Spice Girls style. Compete creative control. Some record companies just help a band to record their music and be a distribution channel without any creative control, more like facilitators. I put Nijisanji more on 1 end and VShojo on the other.

[@jack_shippo]

@@autohmae Oooo good point!! I honestly completely forgot about record companies, yah that totally makes sense as a comparison.

[@autohmae]

@@jack_shippo So Nijisanji is like the company behind AKB48

[@Nexus.1203]

Alright, I'm in. Good man making good videos.

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you! I try haha

[@wew123tttt]

People just want the drama to continue..... Attacking/bullying the content creators......like what happens to nijisanji....

[@jack_shippo]

People can suck, it's a crappy thing that so many people will still harp on it, but all ya can do is just power through, tell people to F off about it, and just move forward ya know? I don't know how some of the big names handle it when it comes to bullying and such, and i can only imagine how tough it is, but they get through it with support from fans. 99% of the time the positivity outweighs the negative people, but they're just usually louder lol

[@daisukeniwa402645]

Hololive knows more about business than vshojo, they wouldn't be number 1 for no reason

[@daisukeniwa402645]

Do one on Cover/Hololive and see why they're the #1 Vtuber Agency

[@jack_shippo]

I haven't gotten into anything with Cover or Hololive yet, but maybe in the future ya!

[@superitgel1]

Drama? I've never heard of it. Can anyone elaborate please.

[@jack_shippo]

It's smelly stuff, I wouldn't worry about it much lol - honestly 99% of it is inflated because people are addicted to drama anyway.

[@toms7219]

Not even the detractors called their new team a retirement home when Lebron went to Miami or Durant went to Golden State, so people calling Vshojo that when Kson and later Henya signed with them puzzled me. Like tell me you understand nothing without telling me lol

[@jack_shippo]

I love the comparison to NBA players lmao - it legit WORKS - I don't know why someone would think this is a vtuber retirement home, people are wild man they just say the most random things, can usually tell when they don't understand a thing they're talking about.

[@PotLid6661]

All i can say is Vshoujo base on twitch and i don't use twitch. I don't say twitch is bad , it's just i don't like to use twitch so i don't watch Vshoujo .

[@leoscrymgeour5881]

They upload stuff on KZbin aswell

[@jack_shippo]

^ exactly - each member has a channel and VShojo has a channel as well, definitely worth it to check out (www.youtube.com/@VShojo)

[@headless0ptomist198]

It's just to bad they had to lose Silver and Vei to learn how to things properly, they were not very good to their talents at first but some members were friends with Mel so they felt obligated to stay but after those two left the contracts and opportunities got better. Kson even confirmed this because she was gonna be the next to leave but they mede her a much better deal so she's stayed. Vtuber corporations are a cancer on the community and they would ultimately be unnecessary if Vtubers and their communities would just supoort each other instead of comparing and competing with one another.

[@CarlFox]

I don't think Kson ever had actual intentions to leave; she did say that, if a much better offer came along, she _could_ choose to leave VShojo with all her stuff intact, but that was hypothetical. Also, no business plan from any company ever fully survives contact with the realities of business. You take the good and bad as learning opportunities, which it seems they have. Nyanners and Vei leaving seemed to be strictly a business decision, especially in Nyan's case; SIlver seems to be the only one who actively burned her bridges on the way out. I could even see Nyanners come back at some point if the deal is right. (Speaking of drama, could all the 4Channers shut up about Nyan, please? She outgrew you lot, let her be.)

[@timurdos]

found another one. kson _joked_ that if someone offered her a $1 million/month contract she would leave. that's it. Your Quote: they were not very good to their talents at first Wha? Every member stated clearly during Vsj debut that they keep ALL streaming revenue (bits, subs, donos etc). And all of them had a manager and overall help from the company. How _better_ can you treat the talent? pay them on top of their revenue lul?

[@jack_shippo]

To be fair - I don't think there's anything I wouldn't do in this world for a 1 million a month contract 😂😂😂

[@ganbarubies]

I ended up watching the previous video on Mouse and that video and this one is an amazing look into VShojo and some of its talents! I would definitely love it if you did more videos like this especially talking about the other members like Kuro just because I think it’s also important to shed more light on Vshojo’s first male talent and he’s such a hilarious, passionate and creative guy who brings a lot to VShojo as well in my opinion!! ❤‍🩹 (Also he’s my favorite member lol) But yeah!! Great video :’D

[@jack_shippo]

Ah thank you so much! Seems like the consensus is that people want me to make more videos about vshojo lol so I will! Heck ya gotta show some respect to Kuro - I originally called him out when I said I'm just some dude talking about anime girls and guys lol but it just didn't flow well so took it out, but wanted to make sure I said girls and guys for respect for our boy Kuro.

[@ganbarubies]

Understandable! it’s always great to see appreciation to the guy considering all the achievements he’s made so far in the company and fun stuff he’s been doing !! I’m definitely looking forward to seeing more VShojo videos like this in the future

[@jack_shippo]

@@ganbarubies 100%! My man is in there in the TRENCHES being the only guy in VShojo, have to respect him lmao - I love watching some clips and such when the group is just teasing him constantly - he takes it so well too. I saw a short clip of him playing Connor in Chess recently too - f'n loved it. Thank you again for the kind words! Appreciate ya taking the time to watch - I'll do my best to keep bringing ya good content to enjoy - especially about your boy Kuro!