Ironmouse and the Power of VShojo: Exploring the Best Group in Vtubing!

[@jack_shippo]

Are you a fan of VShojo or Vtubers at all? Let me know! Always looking to meet more people who can share some quality VTuber knowledge with me!

[@TheAyanamiRei]

I LOVE VTubers. I enjoy watching clips of VShoujo, but when tuning into streams, it's the Smaller Streamers I like best. Ones you can really build relationships and even friendships. The kind of stream where the VTuber will remember your name if you're active a lot.

[@KaoretheHalfDemon]

I love vtubers in general. Vshojo, Hololive, and Phase Connect are my fave companies but I love the indie vtubers as well!

[@kianacomet6988]

Vtubers Cure Depression!

[@DeValiere_]

Pretty much VShojo ride or die for me with a few indies sprinkled in like AICandii as I know they're 100% in control of their content etc and in VShojo's case they've now reached a place where the current talent appears happy and well supported. Lessons have been learnt and the current model for VShojo appears to be working well. We'll never know what goes on internally within VShojo (despite so many claiming they do and substituting rumours and speculation for any semblance of facts), but when certain members left in early 2023 it seemed to lift a great weight off the shoulders of the remaining talent. What had been a very sparse collaboration schedule within VShojo became something of an avalance of collabs in the wake of the departures and it really hasn't slowed down since then, with Zen driving a lot of that. While everyone talks about Mouse (and rightly so) Zen is in many ways the heart and soul of VShojo - and I suspect we only see a fraction of what she does for the group. I know there are VShojo haters out there that will never quit, but I can only go by what I see and hear from the talents, and the way Mouse and the others talk about GunRun and VShojo is what I go by in determining the ageny's credibility. There are times I suspect VShojo's biggest crime in some people's eyes is that they're NOT like the JP agencies. SMH. And seeing Mata's rather enebriated, tearful thanks to a very heavily medicated Mouse at the end of the New Years VR party summed up just how different this group is to some of the big JP agencies. Not really an agency for loners or egos thats for sure. The way Henya has grown and come out of her shell since she joined has been a delight to see. You don't get that happening if the talents are as horrible as the haters claim. The gremolin energy between Mouse, Henya and Froot is brilliant. And who knows, if Mouse is to be believed, Hime might even stream before the year is out - we can but hope :)

[@TheAyanamiRei]

@@DeValiere_ Yeah. I think Mouse was probably the Heart of the Old Group, but Zen seems to be the Heart of the New Group. An if VShoujo was truly that bad, then Matara wouldn't be talking about how much BETTER things were. She wouldn't sound so SHOCKED at how much support she was getting as a Talent. Like you don't see actual Facts of the TERRIBLE Treatment of Talent the way we are with these other companies. We actually see the opposite, facts that they are thriving and doing well

[@reversal5035]

thanks for supporting vshojo and ironmouse!

[@jack_shippo]

Thank YOU for taking the time to watch and comment!! Appreciate it!

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

"I have plans to make a vtuber model" _ironmouse cackling in the distance_ She won't stop until EVERYONE is a vtuber.

[@jack_shippo]

Ah so that's why I've been hearing evil cackling and "ONE OF US" chanting far in the distance the last few days - damn, guess I'm really sucked into this huh...

[@CTyDeHTtlt]

Thanks for supporting Vshojo and Ironmouse!

[@jack_shippo]

Thank YOU for watching!

[@Gr8Hat]

great video Jack!

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much! Just watched Ironmouse react to it and uploaded it - still wild to me that her and chat enjoyed it so much lol - thank you again.

[@dirzz]

I always appreciate spreading more love to VShojo, the girls and Kuro 😅

[@jack_shippo]

Heck ya! I always try to support those who deserve it lol they're a good group for sure.

[@Groovebot3k]

Goddamn dude, that was a solid video. VShojo to me is such a fascinating agency because of how comparatively lean it is compared to other major agencies; I hesitate to use the phrase "quality over quantity" in this regard, but I genuinely think I am so much more invested in every member's output because their comparatively smaller talent pool and constant collaborations make it so much easier to engage with all of them. Combined with the "talent first" mindset (a catchy slogan that I honestly believe when they say it) and a solid talent pool (Ironmouse is a powerhouse, but every one of them are star talents and innovators), and it's no wonder they have the foothold they do in the community despite having a fraction of the members of other big names. What I feel safe in saying is that while I was watching vtubers before VShojo, VShojo got me interested in vtubers as an entertainment medium.

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much! Been trying to get better with videos/scripts so I'm glad so many people are enjoying this one! Interesting comparison too, I didn't realize how the other agencies could be more bloated comparatively, and also only noticed one thing about like auditions and such while looking into VShojo stuff, but I think another person had commented that VShojo doesn't really do any auditions anymore and instead seeks out members based on how they vibe with the current team, which makes A LOT of sense and is such a smart way to go about it. I don't think any other VTubers or group could have gotten me into VTubers like Mouse & VShojo did - like I've watched some Filian stuff before getting into Mouse but she wasn't really tied to any groups lol. Thank you again for the comment, I really appreciate it!

[@TheAyanamiRei]

I think a big part of VShoujo's continued success is that the Talents are allowed a much more freeform and flexible schedule. If they want to hang out with someone else, they just can. There's no need to schedule, it's just "Hey you online? Want to join? You do? COOL!" An how they've really transitioned to more towards being a cohesive whole. To really be integrated with each other, in large thanks to Zen. Zen has really stepped up to be the Heart of the Group.

[@LordAshura]

VShojo has had their issues, but what makes them different is that they have been able to learn and improve as they go. After losing nyanners, veibae, and silvervale, I've noticed that they have been more cohesive, and the agency has done more to improve the contracts and provide more support to its members. They're no longer doing tradition auditions and are instead finding people who have been tried, tested, and true as vtuber AND can mesh well with the other members. Having bad social chemistry has doomed debuts and they want to avoid that. Let us see what new members will come to VShojo.

[@Taiakun]

I agree regarding Vshojo being more cohesive in 2023. While Nyanners, Veibae and Silvervale are great streamers, they did not seek out collabs with other members as much (except maybe Nyanners with Ironmouse) and more often than not are off doing their own thing. Out of the original core, the member who seeks out collabs the most is Zentreya, and one of the things which helped this year was that newer members were willing to join as much as possible. Haruka and Geega were already collabing with Zen years prior (hence the group name The Three Idiots), and Henya is really eager to make friends and have fun with everyone. Adding Matara elevated things to a whole other level, as she has so much ambition to do with projects and collabs involving the other girls. She is also a people person and just loves hanging out with the others on stream or in discord. Them also finally having the modded minecraft server helped a lot. With Ironmouse and Henya often being on during their off-time, and Mel, Kuro and Froot also loving playing the game, it gave everyone a chance to always hang out with each other at any time of the day. I think the best thing about this group is that they can spontaneously just decide to hang-out whenever they want. No need to schedule a time or organize things in advance with management. If someone is on the open chat discord server, anyone is welcome to hop in.

[@drautch]

yeah those three, while entertaining, were also sort of the problem children causing most of the drama people hated Vshojo for. Henya came in and just stole every heart.

[@Abnotus]

great video, just saw it when mousey reacted to it on stream

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much!! Just got done uploading my reaction to it too lol I can't believe Mouse and everyone in chat enjoyed it so much - thank you.

[@AlexTheSoutherner]

Incredible work, bro I wish more people could be this positive about things.

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you!!! I try, it's tough at times, but it's healthier ya know? Not being positive to the point of toxicity, but just not focusing on the negative. Can really help you live a bit better. So glad Mouse and Chat enjoyed the video - I just uploaded my reaction to it too!

[@AlexTheSoutherner]

@@jack_shippo The way you cover the whole formation up til now and put it as "it's okay to have low points and rough times, it's the way you get through them that makes you an amazing group" Nobody's perfect, and I hate when people try to focus on every tiny little negative thing, but you put it perfectly. Vshojo has been through a lot already, but they've only come out better for it.

[@vagrint]

Great video watching Mouse reaction to it was a delight! Keep up the work dude look forward to more!

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much!! Will do too! Took a bit of a break but back at it now, hoping to get more content out consistently. I just uploaded my reaction to her too! Thanks again!

[@gexianhen]

the only drama that come from vshojo was that when silver leave she say she feel that they wherent friends anymore cause they grow distant.... thats kindergarden level drama compared on what is happening in other agencies nowadays

[@jack_shippo]

Oh that's it? yeah that's really nothing - it's natural for people to drift apart, it does happen sometimes unfortunately. Thanks for the heads up! Appreciate the info! 😀

[@adamamentia2678]

There was also the nux drama, but I'd say both sides were at least partially in the wrong in that situation

[@gexianhen]

@@adamamentia2678 the nux drama was not related to the graduation (exit of the agency), but that was a real drama. The talents where being arrased by a malicious person online who send dead treats and even revealed he know the irl house of some of the girls. Reason why they have police involved abd where hidding the deal to not give the stalker the satisfaction of attention. Nux revealed this in a video because he was also being arrased by the same guy. But all vshojo girls enter in panick fearing this reveal coul trigger a real attack. It was just a big misunderstanding , not really nux or the girls fault. Sadly this break any future interactions with nux, even when he reveal that they apologize and he forgave them in private

[@bladypiter]

they also recently dodged a meteor strike

[@EndoftheBeginning17]

@@adamamentia2678 Nux was white knighting while actually trying to protect his own rear. The doxxer got Nuxes personal email and it freaked him out. He was worried about getting a VICE Raid as this had happened to him before. Gunrun was inexperienced at this sort of thing, being a new CEO and all. Both have more or less moved on.

[@vegasherrmann6929]

Wow, Jack_Shippo.... I am just so in awe of your skill and talent in presenting entertaining "documentary" documentation in this fashion! Keep up the great work and I look forward to your content!

[@terence1432]

This video took the words out of my mouth. I remember when I stopped watching twich years and years ago. It just wasn't my thing anymore. But, literally because of mouse and Vshojo, and their friends, im back in the saddle again. I've never cried so much from laughter, and just really good wholesome moments then I have with this group. The community has been so great, warm, welcoming and funny.

[@jack_shippo]

I feel that - I love to stream but it was hard to find any communities I really vibed with or felt comfortable with. Was really surprised and happy when I stumbled into Mouse's community, and from their found the rest of the VShojo members. It's been great, and a huge pillar of support while I was struggling with some IRL stuff - it definitely reignited my desire and passion to make content myself too! I'm glad you were able to find them, and I hope your experience on Twitch keeps being a good one! I stream over there Tues/Thurs/Sat at 12pm EST if ya ever want to swing by too!

[@terence1432]

@@jack_shippoI'll definitely make sure to stop by and say hi!

[@FrankHeeremans42]

Great video! Welcome to the rabbit hole thats called vtubers. As someone who also got into vtubers because of Ironmouse I can honestly say that it made me a more positive as a person and Mousey in particulair made me want to do better. I discovered Ironmouse and the start of the pandemic so her content and othjer vtuber content made me keep me sanity in a weird way during that time because that content just made me laugh especially the streams which are just as chaotic as said in the video. Thats the case for vtuber streams btw. I say just enjoy the rabbit hole and go explore all the vtubers, they are so creative and just love to have good time.

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you! Appreciate ya watching and commenting! Yeah, just watching people make fun content that isn't driven by negativity or drama can really help improve your own positivity, it's why I try to stay away from drama and such - except when I like to make my troll Twitch stream titles about MAJOR DRAMA 😂) - glad you got into Mouse around the pandemic and that she helped ya keep sane, not weird at all - whatever makes you happy and helps you get through life then go for it! Thanks again!

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

Out of every vtuber company, VShojo is unique in its approach to how it supports its talents. This is the main reason why I have always supported and enjoyed VShojo, despite all the negativity they receive, the positive things they do far outweigh the bad. Even former talents continue to thrive on their own - I chalk up their desire to part ways with VShojo as them wanting something different that VShojo was unable to offer them. VShojo really is a beacon for Western vtubing, along with Phase Connect and HoloEN.

[@jack_shippo]

Facts - very good way to look at it! Just because someone leaves doesn't mean it's all negative, could just not be vibing well and need something different for their life.

[@x149te]

One of main reasons I like Hololive is fan community. Fan arts, music, animations, even games. There are around 250 holo fan games! Including famous ones like HoloCure and Idol Showdown. Legendary animations like Myth Bad Ending known outside vtubing community. Whole internet was spread dancing duck gif and didn't know its origin.

[@jack_shippo]

I love how passionate the fan community is across the board for vtubers, at least from what I've seen - the amount of fan art, fan animations, and other things I've seen so far are insane lol - what's one of your favorites you've seen?

[@x149te]

@@jack_shippo I can't choose one particular. Game "Nameless" by SK_Jynx was very emotional and made Mumei cry, tho was made in one month by impression of Mumei's song "Mumei". Revising Atlantis is small masterpiece, based on Gura's lore. On animation Suspect artist spent 2 years of his life, and I see why. Idol showdown is great game, and because of this more sad that one of dev team didn't survive to release date. Different works I love by different reasons

[@TaiGell]

Very cool video! Thank you =)

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much! Appreciate it! Glad ya liked it.

[@Stieby]

Saw this posted on the VShojo subreddit. Great video and keep it up.

[@jack_shippo]

SOMEONE POSTED IT ON THE VSHOJO SUB-REDDIT!? I have to go check it out - thank you for the heads up, and thank you!!

[@adamamentia2678]

Fantastic video, almost wish it was longer so i could hear more. You should consider doing some on the rest of vshojo

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you! Yeah I originally was going to try and do it about Vtubers as a whole / Ironmouse & VShojo, but it got overwhelming because there is SO much to Vtubing - that's a brilliant idea to do videos on the other members, I do need more scripted videos to work on, maybe I can turn it into a whole series kind of thing. Thanks again!

[@Jmt1000XD]

First off, great video. Very personal and direct. It’s not a KZbin video do the sake of content, but one driven from genuine interest. One thing that you have consider is that of all of the agencies, the most popular and fruitful one is a company called Hololive, they are very well respected and command a huge audience. That being said, while Hololive treats their talents generally well, one thing that Vshojo has them beat is the contracts. While Hololives gives a bigger audience and by extension more attention, money and tangible events (3D concerts, new models, etc) Vshojo is more for established vtubers that have some kind of following. Ones that can be led in a direction to keep it going. In that aspect, it’s harder to be seen as much as Hololive and other big agencies, but as I mentioned, the contract and money split is where it really sets itself apart. Members of Vshojo get 100% of all their donations, bits, subs, etc so they don’t have to share that portion to Vshojo itself. So while the total profit is lower than the total viewers and donations with other companies, they get a bigger cut of the pie. And for veteran Vtubers, the biggest and best feature of Vshojo besides great managing, is freedom. The talents can stream what they want, when they want and how they want. Besides a few sponsored streams that I imagine are in their contract (or they get a cut themselves) they can stream at any time, any game and any activity including face cam streams, and personal sponsors, etc. So yeah, also lastly, they have probably the most generous split for merch in Vtubing with Geega saying that it’s above 50%. Nijisanji another huge company and rival of Hololive gives the talents a measly 2% of merch sales… yeah. Anyway, great video. I ALSO fell down this rabbit hole cause of mouse! She’s a gem and so are the rest of the Vshojo girls!

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you! I try to not do anything scripted on things I'm not interested in, and have been spending a lot of time recently bettering video/script structure and editing - so I really appreciate the kind words! I originally was going to do a whole video about VTubers & Ironmouse/Vshojo as a whole, but I quickly realized that there is SO much to it I was super overwhelmed, so focused it to just Ironmouse/VShojo - so I learned a tiny bit about some of the other big name companies but didn't get to much into it. Thanks for sharing some knowledge on the contract aspect of things, and how their revenue is split separately - definitely helps understand some specific things. Makes sense with how the current VShojo members act that they have more freedom and much, much better management - they don't seem tied down, and seem like they actively work together as a team instead of a company/employees, which is absolutely the way to succeed. Thanks again for the comment, I appreciate it!!

[@adamamentia2678]

@@jack_shippo yea to extend what op said here a lot of vtuber agencies especially the really big ones holo/niji tend to follow the "idol" business model, this has led to several problems regarding talent being treated like products and not people, I think holo is doing better on that these days, but niji en is currently imploding.

[@Jmt1000XD]

@@jack_shippo No problem. You did the work, I just said a few words. Words that I mean, but words at the end of the day don't create it good content :D As far as learning the Vtuber scene, there are a lot of ways to do so, but don't feel compelled to. For example, I know how popular Hololive is and how great their talents and concerts are, but to me, it's too much to get to know since there are a million worthy Vtubers to watch. So for me, I only watch Vshojo, and indies for the most part. A little Nijisanji before the huge debacle, but I figured Hololive has enough fans. haha.

[@drautch]

Ironmouse has dropped so many people down this rabbit hole and her 1inning 5 awards last year (and Vtuber of the year this year at the Streaming Awards) further pushed Vtubers into the mainstream. Vshojo get along because the talents have a say in who they work with and they only pick people they enjoy playing games and spending time with which is a great way to hire if they are going to spend every day with them. Also, i can't wait for the sequel once you learn how much better the Vshojo contracts and deals are compared to the idol based corporations. They actually let the girls keep their models and social media if they decide to leave and that's only one of the many things they do most idol groups wont.

[@jack_shippo]

I've definitely learned A LOT more about VShojo after making this video, and I think I'll be putting out a follow up video this Friday 2/29 - because ya, there is SO much more to VShojo than I initially thought - the way they handle their contracts and such is phenomenal, I never realized they were all so different! Thanks again for watching!!

[@drautch]

@@jack_shippo can't wait to see it!

[@quinceykirkland1227]

I look forward to your journey into the rabbit hole, you had a similar experience to me, it's a fun ride!

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you! Yeah so far it's been a pretty crazy fun ride haha and there's so much more to it.

[@quinceykirkland1227]

I found project Melody first in 2019, while forced to stay home through her I found Mousey. If you would have asked me 10 years ago if I'd a fan of Vtubers I'd have said no. I mostly watch Vshojo because of how much love they have and support they give, not just each other. Now I'm stuck in Vtuber land...

[@jack_shippo]

Oh wow so you've been in it since the start of Vshojo then, that's cool! Sorry you were forced to stay home but I'm glad that you were able to stumble upon this great group of creators - hope things are going ok for you! Well, as okay it can be for someone stuck in VTuber land, this stuff is pretty crazy 😂

[@quinceykirkland1227]

@@jack_shippo good thing I feel, I might never have known how much I'd enjoy their content. Also I like authenticity and I think Vshojo has that in spades. There are indie one's I've started to watch for that same reason. ShyLily, Numi. Keep looking!

[@daegograndynte2771]

@@jack_shippo well, the existance of vshojo is collectively made by the members. Melody is the one who invited the pioneers. Iirc, the one who actually push mouse is zen. From less than 100 to the crazy numbers that she is now. So, its kind of open secret that to get into vshojo, you need collective agreement by the members. Its like joining some sort of a club. This is why, Matara say, "come to Japan, then we can talk," in one of her stream. By looking at it, it seems that there is a possibility that Mika and Pomu might be joining. Mika kind of confirm as Kuro permenantly move to Indonesia. But I don't know about Pomu.

[@nicolasmonty3692]

​@@jack_shippo Same here but unlike some I am one of the Original Vtuber fans since I started watching Vtubers at since the beginning of this comunity.. I started watching them back in early 2017(vtubing officially started with Kizuna Ai in Nov. 2016) I started watching vtubers in Jan. 2017. I discovered her after I was in a low point in my life and helped me im proved my overall outlook on life and helped me alot. From her I found Mirai(she is another pioneer of vtuber and is one of the "four heavenly kings "it was aterm used often to describe the major pioneers of Early V-tubers which besides Kizuna and Mirai Akari also include cyber girl Siro and Luna Kaguya until the rise of Hololive and Nijisanji.) In late 2017 which lead me to learn about Eilene family and Natsumi moe ; one of the bigger earliest En Vtubers along with Zen and ironmouse. Most believe vtubers in the west only started in 2020 a after the debut of Hololive En when there was already vtuber in the EN scene but was very niche and not openly accepted in the west. I regularly watched vtuber between 2017 and 2018; I took a year break to focus on work and study with occasional watch of the Vtubers I settle with and fit my schedule before I resumed watching Vtubers in the early 2020s. I digress but I did not discover Ironmouse or Zen until 2020 when I started watching Nyanners in summer 2020 and from her lead me to the Vshojo girls. I can ads more about my journey through the Vtuber community but I think it may not be appropiate for this thread.

[@TheEchoShark]

What makes me sad is how she kinda backstabbed nux taku who was one of her first friends on the platform and was a huge factor for her getting popular well they did collabs She's great but i wish that never happened.

[@quinceykirkland1227]

Donate plasma!!!

[@jack_shippo]

FACTS - you can get PAID to do it too - everyone should be out there donating that plasma! I'm very very excited to hopefully grow a bit more and be able to do some charity streams later this year to help with the cause - it's been helping me stay a bit more focused on my own health too so I can actually go donate.

[@quinceykirkland1227]

@@jack_shippo I wish Mousey all the love she's fantastic

[@nutcrackernoonan3637]

The best thing about Vshojo is that the talents own their IP's. So even if they leave Vshojo, they can still be their characters. Unlike the big corporate groups.

[@jack_shippo]

Oh that's really cool! I actually didn't realize other groups didn't let their talent own the IP, makes sense since I guess that's what graduating kind of is then? I never completely understood the whole concept of graduating lol

[@nutcrackernoonan3637]

@jack_shippo graduating is just part of the Japanese idol culture. It's silly to me, too.

[@TheAyanamiRei]

@@jack_shippo It's just a cute way of saying they're leaving. A nice Euphemism, and if it's on good terms, it gives people a chance to give them a Last Hurrah. An yeah, since in Idol Groups like Niji & HoloLive, because the Corp pays for the models they own them. It's standard procedure. Meanwhile for VShoujo they get to keep them, they're allowed to go be themselves WITHOUT needing a Rebirth. Which is NOT Industry Standard.

[@phoenix___7747]

Cool video. I think you have taken a journey a lot of us have taken when peering into the life of ironmouse. I did 3 years ago and never looked back. Welcome.

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you! Appreciate the kind words and welcome - so far it's definitely been an amazingly positive experience, so I'm excited to keep diving more into their content and just seeing what it's all about.

[@nerdjournal]

There are some pretty cool free customizable vtuber kits and software. I also suffer from various disabilities one of them being my lungs. So I sound so horrible a lot of the time, it just makes sense to me if I ever try to make content... I want to make a model of a dying god or a monster and have part of the lore account for why sometimes I won't be able to breathe all that great or why me breathing sounds like a million souls are crying from inside my lungs. Seriously, liquids in your lungs make really creepy noises when you breathe sometimes. lol. Luckily I have had a career in art and and video editing so I have a few skills needed for it. It's just my Autism and my social paranoia make it soooo hard to take the first step and put myself out there. I'm thinking about asking my Psychiatrist for valium or klonipin to help me with my sever anxiety/paranoia with social media and general public related interactions.

[@jack_shippo]

It doesn't matter what you sound like - as long as you're passionate, enjoy what you're doing, and make fun content - that's all that matters!! 😀 I love how you'd incorporate that into your lore - having your breathing sound like a million souls crying sounds EXTREMELY metal and cool I love it lol. My disabilities are all mental, so I can understand the autism/social paranoia bit (I'm diagnosed bi-polar, but am 99% sure I have un-diagnosed Autism as well, it runs in the family unfortunately) among other things - my one piece of advice to you though? Just make content. Just push yourself to take those first steps and CREATE something - a video, stream, testing out a VTuber model, anything - just take that first step and things will be SO much easier from there - you CAN do it!! If it helps - I sat struggling with myself to even START writing or editing this video, my own brain is my worst enemy, and I didn't think it'd even be worth it to try - but you HAVE to push past that crap in your mind and just create something. If you ever need advice or anything like that please don't hesitate to reach out - and I'd love to see what you come up with vtuber/content wise!! Please don't give up on it and pursue your passions no matter what - the world needs more passionate people creating things. Thank you again for watching and commenting!!

[@olgagachaphoenix9130]

Nicely done

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you!

[@WeaKeDBZH]

very nice video dude and very nice to speak about plasma donating

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much! And hell yeah - it's an important thing. Like I said in the video too I'm hoping to do some sort of charity stream later this year, just hoping to keep growing so I can do good things like that. Zen is awesome - I can be VERY competitive in games so it's fun seeing that side of her at times lol plus she's really good at gaming! Respect to Kuro and Bubi too always Thanks again!!!

[@IndyDev13]

JACK!!!!! Awesome Video!

[@jack_shippo]

INDY! Thank you so much I appreciate it! It's awesome you stumbled on my video lol

[@funnyperson4027]

Great video man

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much! Appreciate you watching & commenting!

[@scottlinting6308]

Mousey is GOAT

[@jack_shippo]

TRUTH.

[@CreamIc7]

I went from hating vtubers to feeling natural to being a true fan

[@jack_shippo]

Just out of pure curiosity - why did ya hate vtubers at first? I know it's a completely different like, take on content to say the least lol, but I'm always curious why people aren't fans or are fans of something, so just really curious! Not asking for any bad reasons lol

[@CreamIc7]

@@jack_shippo I just followed what other people said and didn't form my own opinions

[@jack_shippo]

@@CreamIc7 Hey a lot of people do that - glad ya formed your own opinion eventually! Just keep enjoying what ya enjoy, F what other people said, always make your own opinions and do what makes ya happiest ya know?

[@CreamIc7]

@@jack_shippo yeah I used to to be to scared about what others would think but I don't care anymore especially considering 90% of popular things that people form opinions on are objectively wrong

[@jack_shippo]

@@CreamIc7 heck ya, be proud of yourself for that. Good mindset to have

[@ashes_024]

1:51 Don't worry to much about the lore... Non of them act like their lore😂.... Unless bubby perhaps 🤣

[@jack_shippo]

Hah! Very good point lol I love the idea of lore though, one day when I have time I want to sit and figure it all out. I don't know if my brain could comprehend though lmao

[@ectothermic]

With the recent Niji stuff it's honestly pretty crazy how well Hololive being as big as it is and Vshojo being as small as it is comparatively have handled all their drama so professionally. The talent also seem to just be in good terms with one-another if not outright extremely close friends, even outside the organisation. The people who are friends with Vshojo to the point where they almost seem like part of it like BuffPup, Bao, Shylily, Rose and Numi etc. are all so nice and wholesomely chaotic it's inspirational.

[@jack_shippo]

Very true - it was crazy being an outsider and not really knowing much at all and seeing the Niji stuff unfold - I understand a lot when it comes to business/management stuff, and seeing it from that perspective, it's just so disappointing how a group so successful could be ran so horribly. Just hope all of the members who were impacted by that can heal up and get better. Yeah that's the biggest part for VShojo that I think works well - is everyone gets along and they do things outside of "work" together - really builds up a good team. And all of their friends that join in things really helps lol. Thanks again for watching and for the comment, appreciate you!

[@darkcardking]

Most of the ones that graduated are mostly doing well. Nazuna is the odd one out, as it recently came out that she was married in the past (not the problem) and was incredibly abusive to her husband (the problem)

[@jack_shippo]

Good to hear for the majority - but holy crap that's horrible for Nazuna, what the heck. Glad they split ways because that doesn't seem like the kind of person ya want around, wow.

[@Dazreil]

​@@jack_shippo also Vshojo was not a good fit for her, since her audience being mainly Japanese and watch Vtubers on YT and Vshojo mainly stream on Twitch because their CEO was OG twitch staff.

[@ericbaek3706]

and bubi.

[@jack_shippo]

Some might even say that Bubi is the most important one. And by some I mean Bubi. Bubi says that.

[@ankparptheinsane]

I am fans of Vshojo and know that compared to other Vtuber Agency like Hololive, and Nijisanji (before Selen crisis), VShojo has a lot of hater but If you dig around enough you will find out that the real reason is because they're free women on the internet who have freedom to do what they want. And also, sometimes there's a very political reasoning behind those hate, it's very easy to understand and even easier to ignore them. the other reason is more probably from traditional corpo stan, "Vtuber supposed to be 'Perfect Idols', and these western bitches ruining everything".

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

Most of the haters are idol worshippers, moral guardians, or simply antagonistic trolls with no lives. For the most part they've become few and far between, but they still pop up every so often.

[@jack_shippo]

Always going to be some people who are just like....addicted to being negative about certain things/people/groups and unfortunately won't change, which sucks lol, but hey it's on them - they can live and be negative and everyone else can move forward, grow, and try to enjoy life. Just still blows my mind like dang, life is hard enough without spending literal years of your life angry about people being anime girls/guys on the internet 😂 Thank you again for watching, the info and for commenting!!!!

[@blakelonestar]

I understand the thesis of your video, but not bringing up their “talent freedom” when alledging they are the best group in vtubing is missing a *very* large piece of the puzzle. You say you’re new to the scene, so it makes sense. Not hating.

[@jack_shippo]

Yeah I honestly didn't think other companies did things differently - I thought they all were the same as VShojo - I legit go into this with 0 vtuber knowledge lol

[@ashes_024]

I can agreed on these.... Vshojo is the best group in vtuber industry (you literally have to a veteran to join them) ... But i say hololive is the best vtuber company (proven that Yagoo being the third best CEO in japan and literally being worship by the hololive fans).... And Nijisanji being worst at both😂

[@jack_shippo]

Yeah their process for bringing on new members is brilliant - I've been seeing a few comments about it and it's really cool how they go about it comparatively. Thanks again for watching!

[@ashes_024]

@@jack_shippo thank you mate.. For noticing my comment and welcome to the rabbit hole... I've been in this "void" 🤣 since holoID 1st gen debuted.... So about 3 years.... My advice is never stop looking for a vtuber that 100% fit your taste... Because imagination is. Literally the limit for vtuber variety out there... There's one for everyone... For example if you really like smug anime girl... Then my friend "Inami Yoki" is is the one,if you like a literal AI then "Neuro-sama" is your bot, or a vtuber that speak your language... Well they hard to find but they do existed...

[@jack_shippo]

​@@ashes_024 Of course! One thing I always try to do is, until I have too many comments to keep up with, to reply to everyone! You all take the time to comment so it's at least one way I can show my respect and be thankful back at ya! There are definitely a lot out there, and it's really neat to be involved - most of yall in the communities have been super welcoming too! It's really nice - definitely going to keep looking into the vtuber world while doing my own thing too lol so much stuff - appreciate ya!

[@x149te]

Why I can't call Vshojo best agency, because this is literally elite club for big indies. You can't enter there with your 5k subs and show your talents all over the world thanks to Vshojo popularity. Hololive still doing best in all sides (from top female streamer of the year over all platforms to concerts and charity streams). And Phase Connect very Intriguing with their growtn and open policy.

[@nujevad28]

You can't have it both ways, either be an unknown but heavily controlled, or be already big and have freedom.

[@x149te]

@@nujevad28 indies can be free and unknown

[@daegograndynte2771]

Well. Vshojo is an agency like actors joining actors agency or singers joining music agency. People joined vshojo as a contractors and using the perks of an agency while taking cuts from sale of merch and sponsorship. Yes, the company taking cuts, not the other way around. Where as the rest is somewhat like a company as they become employee and get perks. This is why, after Haruka, there is no other audition as they tried that model and don't think it was good in the long run. And this is also why there is no such thing as graduation. Either exit on mutual term or exit upon end or contract. There is no such thing as termination in this model but there is break of contract clause if the said person bring harm to the company, but the level is quite lenient. In vshojo, talent have the power to their own career and the agency assist them in term of management and completion of contract with sponsorship or projects. Its works as an extension and not the one who makes things. This is why Henya can joined in and do the 3D consert even when she joined not even for 3 month. Henya herself thought she can't joined in the first place. As long as there are resource available and time for her to prepare. She can joined them. This is also the reason why there is no such thing as milestone where talents have specific number of time to stream. They can do whatever they want. This is also the reason why Hime aka Sydney can joined geekxplus and nazuna aka mikeneko kan join voice-ore while still in vshojo. This is also why Geega can still be under MSM. The model is good for established vtuber as sometimes, to do idol stuff, you need to have a group/agency to pull crowd. Let say if Dokibird joined, she can bring all her crew with her and vshojo can do the hings that she might have problem doing.

[@x149te]

​@@daegograndynte2771 Vshojo closer to Asmon's Mythic rather than traditional vtuber talent agency. Maybe because of that those 3 went from Vshojo to Mythic. Overall Vshojo feels like that. Individuals. Not group by one label. Especially after Hogwarts "wizard game" incident. But first Vshojo concert was a good show. Simple, but cute. About "second job". Many big vtubers in Holo doing their activities aside agency (only Niji requests to close any side activities). Calli doing live concerts and tours, Choco and Noel recording their 18+ content for their past chanels, Kronii and Nerissa doing their VA things, Ina took 3 months hiatus for drawing to her chinese emploees.

[@daegograndynte2771]

@@x149te yes. The only difference is that, vshojo treat the members in collective ways. Which mean, the members do grouping works with tags in them. Its easier to sell their image as a group for some sponsorship or merch collabs. Mystic on the other hand works individually. Meaning while its under agency, they are still independently between each talent. And as for Hololive, yes they do have them. They can even stream on their PL or IRL flesh as long as they did not disclose themselves. Still, they cannot signed under other employers/company. Its more like working independently to get extra income.

[@hate6crew6death6roll]

its stayed drama-free really after the departures IMO. I think they really learnt after a big mess once and i think there was some disagreements about one person within but since its gone long into vsj-history and should stay there. it was a terrible time being 1: a VSJ and 2: someone who was there for each fact of the situation that came out. It got me into HL and (ironically) nijiEN (until recent events) but the past while, zero drama and i think they have been able to knock that kinda atmosphere on the head finally. Glad to see it getting the recognition it deserves as a vtuber group, many had shyed away, glad you found them as they are all incredible people in there, all powerhouses of content in each of their own ways.

[@notamercwithamouth]

Yea, the “disagreement” wasn’t one at all. VShojo doubled down lest we forget every single girl didn’t try and defend that individual. They pretended he wasn’t there. I certainly didn’t forget and won’t trust em after that.

[@hate6crew6death6roll]

@@notamercwithamouth no im not trying to downplay it, thats what i mean by number 2: i was there and seen the terrible stuff but i think that was set off by one person mainly and the rest followed suit. but i think they are past that and i mean, forgive and forget or forever be bitter.

[@dirzz]

@@notamercwithamouth so much energy wasted on hate

[@jack_shippo]

Yeah I know that any "drama'' really was in the past - another reason I try to emphasize growth and growing past any negativity or issues. EVERYONE f's up at one point, no one is perfect, it's how ya grow past it that makes you strong. Appreciate the info and glad you got into vtubers and such! They definitely seem to be in a good place currently.

[@jack_shippo]

@@notamercwithamouth Bruh I already deleted one of your other comments because you clearly didn't watch the video or listen to anything I said in it - I specifically didn't go into the previous issues because it's severely overblown, especially from what I've read and seen about it. Imagine holding onto hate for a group from something YEARS old where the people involved with it have already let it go - seriously, I said it in the video, but turn that inwards and grow yourself, it isn't worth it holding onto negativity like that forever. EVERYONE messes up at one point, it's how ya change and grow that matters. No one is perfect, everyone messes up. You do you - just offering up some advice.

[@kianacomet6988]

Liked and Subbed homie we appreciate you ❤

[@jack_shippo]

Thank you so much! I Appreciate YOU for watching, liking, subbing AND commenting - all the best things you can do to show support, thank you!

[@kianacomet6988]

@@jack_shippo Of Course!! Always Happy to see New Poeple enter this wonderfull side of KZbin and Vtuber Rabbit Hole.😁