This custom fitting SHOCKED me! 😲 | Callaway Apex Pro 24 irons

We visited The Belfry to test and be custom fitted for the new Callaway Apex Pro 24 irons.
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[@systemoptimizer3542]

Its nice of you to share your fitting experience. It seems you'd fallen into a lot of the misconceptions and myths that a lot of people do when it comes to club fitting. People that consider themselves tall think they need longer than standard, and people who think they're strong or fast think they need stiff or extra stiff. Many people are bullheaded and not open to change, but the people that are open to listen to a fitter and are willing to try something different from what they have used in the past can see significant benefit from a fitting. If someone sets up with bad posture (legs too flexed, upper body too upright, arms laying on top of the chest their hands will be positioned high, grip points at or above the belly) they'll think the need longer or more upright clubs (or both). Take the same golfer : hinge them from the hips with the center of the hips positioned above the ankles, let the arms hang to the side of the chest (look at a close up of Mcilroy at address), and let the arms hang under the shoulders, and you find the golfers back and club shaft now create a 90* (or close to it) angle. Now the club shaft points along the beltline, and a standard length and lie angle work well. Now if someone swings, comes out of their posure, and early extends (or swings excessively out to in) once again the fitting will suggest more upright lie, but if the golfer swings with good posture and doesn't early extend, and brings the hands and arms down (like the pros) instead of out the hands will return to a similar height at impact to were they started at address and lie angle fitting will be standard to maybe even flat. The more flexible a shaft the higher it can potentially kick the ball (if you're transferring energy into the shaft) and the steeper angle of decent that can be produced., The stiffer the shaft the less it will bent, the lower the ball will be launched, and the lower angle of decent that will be produced. Rory Mcilroy is both strong and fast (swing speed wise), yet he hits the very wippy and flexible G-Force swing speed trainer straight and on a good height. That's because his swing is on a good path into the golf ball, and he is transferring energy into the shaft (which causes the shaft to straighten) at impact.

[@Tom-mcateer]

Great film Rob.. I’ve played golf since I was 40 ( now 60) .. have owned over 100 sets of irons from vintage to new.. as I love trying different types to see how they work out.. although I found that stiffness did make a difference.. I always managed to manipulate my swing to more or less fit the irons I had at the time.. from blades to the chunkiest.. seeing this film makes me realise the benefits of fitting are to get better margins and tighter dispersion.. really interesting to see Laura go through the numbers with you and a great thing to do if you want to be the best you can be at golf..👍

[@RobMcGarr]

Wow, that's a lot of irons! Yep, the results were really good for me - if I can keep hitting it how I was during the fitting I'll be happy!

[@nsttig777]

That's too many sets. 5 sets a year. Wow.😄

[@franks4973]

Informative, nice way that you narrated the session and some surprising information. Thx

[@LosSaintPatrick]

Great, insightful video. Proves how fitting can make a difference!

[@RobMcGarr]

💯

[@niallvbrennan6629]

Welcome back!☘️

[@albertofernandez-sanguino3373]

The Boyz back !!!

[@user-fz4yr3nu4n]

Very interesting video.

[@nealfreeman01]

I'd be interested if they tried changing the head weight as well. Going from the 14 to 16 gram weights can add to the launch/decent angle as well.

[@markspence5288]

Welcome back rob.

[@wayneowens1649]

I could never have a fitting there with so many people in the background talking a fitting is a one to one not a social gathering 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@todaysgolfer]

Each to their own. Rob was fine with who was in the bay - which is one of the biggest we've used. There was a Callaway fitter, a Callaway rep, and the digital editor of Today's Golfer present.

[@simonwilson4240]

What was recommended for you

[@kevintee7437]

Great video l am also 6'3" my current set are 1 1/2" inches longer and 2 degrees upright they are now 10 years old. I have booked some lessons as my swing has changed since a knee replacement and l have just turned 60. I intend to go for a fitting but wonder if getting fitted on a mat when we play off grass gives a true reading what do you think. cheers

[@RobMcGarr]

Good question. I don't think hitting off a mat really changes the way you swing, so wouldn't affect what length/lie you need, but you could always go for a fitting somewhere where you can hit off grass if you're not sure.

[@davehurley26]

Brilliant 👍

[@petekenny3774]

I'm 6 2 rob I play longer 3/4" and 2 upright 🤯🤯🤯👀 I'll be checking this

[@RobMcGarr]

Can't hurt to check! 😎

[@paulmcgee1867]

The sound issues shock me , great looking range. CB looks best mix

[@RobMcGarr]

I did really like the CB but just found the Pro had smaller drop-offs on mishits 🤔

[@CHuzz7777]

The length and lie angle is fascinating. I’m 6’4” and my irons are 1” longer and 3 degrees upright. They were more of a static fit 6 or 7 years ago. Might be time to put myself in the hands of a professional.

[@RobMcGarr]

Yeah I think things have come on a bit since static fittings, I guess because it's impact that matters more than anything else!

[@fairwayfirstgolf2033]

Static fit is a reasonable starting point but it isn’t the final word in fitting. As a tall golfer (6ft6) I have done lots of fittings like this and played everything from standard (whatever that is this week!) length lie to +1.75 and 4 upright or more. Someone smart once said that you should probably play the shortest irons you can comfortably play because the odds of hitting the centre of the face go up. This is probably solid advice. I have played some good golf with all standard, r300 shafts at 6ft6 and 90mph or so with my seven. Maybe going in with an open mind and trusting the process/fitter is key.

[@RobMcGarr]

@@fairwayfirstgolf2033 Yeah I did think that shorter shafts should make it easier to hit relatively straight, and they didn't seem to cost me anything in clubhead speed.

[@aaronspence3930]

Would it not make sense to use a premium ball for a fitting? Surely that would alter the numbers for spin rates etc

[@mrwoo33]

Did you have the same swing weight? Were the shafts lighter? And the same length? Just curious that's all. Think the pro are hollow back design so I'd be expecting a little extra ball speed over the I25. Great video 👍

[@RobMcGarr]

Shafts are slightly heavier (5g) than what I had before and a bit shorter. I’m not sure about swing weight, sorry!

[@mrwoo33]

@@RobMcGarr really impressive numbers. Thanks for the reply

[@RobMcGarr]

@@mrwoo33 No probs, thanks for watching!

[@Noone-dy7sh]

You should have tried the MBs

[@petekenny3774]

Ping i25s are old now mate big advances since they came out

[@RobMcGarr]

I don't think I bought into advances that much when it comes to irons but was impressed!

[@sambo_jenkis4655]

Audio is spelling out of my phone speakers and not from the externas. It's difficult to hear. I adjusted my phone in many ways and couldn't hear them talking.

[@petekenny3774]

Robs back 👀👀👀 where you been mate how's your golf 👍

[@todaysgolfer]

We dragged him out of retirement! 😂

[@miket990]

At 86mph swing speed with 110 ball speed on old irons this was a poor set up 1.28 smash. This was ready to improve on

[@stephenkawasaki8942]

How rude the 3 guys laughing and carrying on in the background...

[@biggregg5]

I guess I just don't trust humanity. Every time I turn around, I see people doing things out of greed. My fear would be that instead of getting an honest club fitter, I would get someone out to make a sale rather than keeping your best interest in mind.

[@todaysgolfer]

Definitely not an issue, here. The fitter wasn't there to sell us the product. We needed to be fitted for the best Apex irons for Rob for further tests and review. Possibly more of an issue if you got to retailers for fitting, where they need the sales and could work on a commission.

[@dronepocket325]

That definitely happens. Especially with drivers

[@biggregg5]

@@todaysgolfer I wasn't insinuating that they were dishonest.

[@justinstephenson9360]

It is fair worry. I would suggest going to a fitter who charges a decent price for a fitting that is not refunded if you buy clubs (or knocked off purchase price of new clubs), that way it reduces the financial incentive to sell.