This Discovery Broke DARK SOULS Speedrunning

[@Swampdragon102]

6:30 I love how he is like "the world record improved from this to that" and doesn't even mention that both records are his

[@Eddie2P]

theres no upside to bragging

[@Eshtian]

When his name comes up it feels like bragging and I love it

[@WICK_3D]

Two different kinds of people

[@crazyfriend50]

He probably jjst thinks that what he did wasnt good enough and he wants to improve it

[@thefallenwatermelon3495]

@@Eddie2P he did brag but in a cooler more humble fashion

[@jerrycool5638]

I love it when a game’s top runners are also the game’s biggest advocates and historians. The time commitment of running alone is wild. But to be a true scholar of the game and presenting it so professionally on top of that is so admirable.

[@1337ofDiscreet1]

Tanslation: *_"I like it."_* 🤣👍🍻🍻

[@ecoterrorism_liker7251]

facts

[@stardustbanana1464]

I agree, a lot of runners are super dedicated to the game. Another example of this is Fireborn with the hollow knight community.

[@demonicheed]

This is such a good comment, great observation

[@NokoFace]

And some people really have the audacity to say speedrunners hate the game they run because they "Want to finish it as fast as possible."

[@Pantagana]

That sword with the weight of 500 swords is so funny. It's like it was forged from the core of a star.

[@capperbuns]

Lmao true

[@Bluecho4]

*Metal*

[@EnsignEpic]

Beware the power of the megaton dagger.

[@Soup0066]

It clearly means that andre forged the sword

[@joshuamedina6807]

Mjolnir sword edition you were not worthy

[@Taolan8472]

Your use of in-game render stills, glorious scene-text, and all the other fantastic cinematographical tricks... This is some top-shelf stuff, my dude. Holy hell. Also probably the mechanically and technically most complete single explanation of the prompt-swap-item-dupe family of exploits in DS1/DSR.

[@Chewbrocalli]

The editing in this is so great - so simple but really enhances the production value. Big fan!

[@Soul._.Seeker]

Its sure changed everything gliched speedruns normally take 30 to 40min. But before when they used glichless speedrun it normally took 1 hour or so. Just think about it how do people find these gliches its just amazing.

[@aurllcooljay]

Funny thing is some of these findings are a complete accident. For example the current method of getting into the Kiln of the First Flame area to fight Gwyn without lord souls was discovered by someone reporting getting stuck there.

[@griffinmackenzie]

glitches*

[@Laezar1]

@@aurllcooljay Well they aren't exactly accident. They are accident that prompt researching into what happened which then lead to understanding the bug and making it usable in a run. That research part is also very important to the process.

[@roosterbooster6238]

I prefer glitch free speed runs.

[@aurllcooljay]

@@Laezar1 I was referring to how the discovery was made by accident.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Always love the content Cata! Love all the casual "and then someone broke the world record by 100 million minutes" whilst it was you.

[@MMenyan]

the glitch works when done with only one device though on a dualshock controller, you can do r1 at the same time as x for example and it'll do the job

[@Eddie2P]

you sure?

[@Dr_Andracca]

@@Eddie2P On PC just using a controller I can get prompt switch to work really easily, I've never been able to get it done with mouse+controller though. So I imagine it'd work on consoles too, especially since the tutorial I originally found was geared towards consoles. Found the tutorial in question: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGaWpXd-d75rj9k

[@LamiiBunny]

@@Eddie2P I have a short video showcasing the glitch using just a controller. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpWpXnqsjKmqmLs I mostly recorded it to show it off to friends, but here's proof. There's no mouse/keyboard input on these prompt swaps.

[@Shadowgenisis]

seriously love how much effort you put into all of these Souls explanation videos. keep up the amazing work dude!

[@applesauce9982]

I love game breakdowns like these. Easy to follow info graphics but also showing the inner working of the code behind the game. Reminds me of Decinos Doom videos. Your production quality is really slick too.

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

I love the fact that the route uses magic as it's main source of damage, so I guess I owe that to this glitch!

[@GamersWeekend]

Not only a master at the game, but a masterful explanation of it's mechanics as well. Your content never disappoints Catalystz, keep doing what you're doing :)

[@goosbouwsma7464]

You yourself are not so bad

[@arifzahiruddin5602]

Very well explained! I'm not even a fan of the DS series, but all the glitches were explained so well I found myself watching the entire video

[@NightNinja540]

I can't believe this is the first time I've ever seen your channel. This tier of quality deserves way more subs!

[@Pod28]

The quality of your script writing and video editing is phenomenal and I was not expecting it for this topic

[@sekirosshadow9319]

This glitch allowed me to do an enjoyable ranged build from the beginning. E n j o y a b l e Best glitch ever

[@DeepVoicedDude]

Was this patched out of the remaster? I've been trying to make it work with mouse, arrow keys, home/end etc. but I just can't get 2 menus to come up simultaneously.

[@drakeeroks1582]

@@DeepVoicedDude nope, i can still do it till this day, at least on my xbox

[@Element-rb6ez]

@@DeepVoicedDude I don’t think they’ve updated the game for a long time so I’m sure it still works. Still works on the switch version for me so maybe you need to practice it

[@superbaas8822]

@@DeepVoicedDude the last versions with the souls was actually only made possible BECAUSE of the remaster

[@DeepVoicedDude]

@@superbaas8822 I guess I'll just keep trying? I can do the infinite soul pop glitch no problem on the PTD Edition to pop boss souls over and over again, so I don't understand why it's so hard to just press two buttons at the same time for this one.

[@LilAggy]

another banger video, cata. insanely high quality stuff my dude 😎

[@shmshare3868]

Hello aggy (:

[@Inverted88]

Your explanations actually made this easier to understand than I was expecting. Great stuff.

[@Chara_the_god]

Yeah I was just taught the brightness glitch recently. I am now on my first run of dark souls 1. Specifically remastered. And using some souls given to me, I'm like level 200 now. Jeez us.

[@mrrixel28]

I love this kind, they make watching dark souls speedrunning more enjoyable.

[@Fanta0846]

Great video and everything, but the best part was hearing Mechanism 8 in the background from Unreal Tournament again, I had forgotten about that song for quite a while, so thank you for that!

[@rig4O4]

makes me feel old, but also very satisfied for being able to play it on its peak back there lol

[@KrazyKaiser]

I love how you talk about the "all bosses speedrun world record going from 1:06:37 to 1:05:20" without even mentioning that those are both your record lol

[@cristian-bull]

I'm dumb for clicking that time stamp

[@halfpint90]

It literally says his name under each time

[@rolfknappmann]

The items duplication glitch is brilliant! I never tried it, because the tutorials required to purchase actual 500 units of whatever. But, being able to buy just ONE item and overload is absolutely incredible. I'll try that later

[@Definitely_Not_Vlad]

Cata these videos are absolutely amazing, great writing, great editing, very informative while also entertaining. Great work!

[@dbdanny]

Excellent video! Making a 16 minute-long "history of glitches" video interesting and informative isn't a trivial task. Subbed

[@rickdot4902]

Duping the soul items quickly became my favorite glitch once I got the hang of it. I use a slightly different version of it. But get the same result. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYK4fIidjbuliaM This has made it super convenient when I feel like doing specific builds. Let's say I want to play as a Silver Knight: Once I get the armor set, shield, sword, and spear, I'd need seventy twinkling titanite. Without killing any lizards or clams, that's 560,000 souls you'd need to spend to the Giant Blacksmith. Then an extra 2,000 for each individual upgrade. Another 70,000. 630,000 for the Blacksmith's materials and labor. Before knowing the glitch, you'd probably spend some time farming those slug guys in the Painted World until you've got the souls. Then carefully make your way out of the place; and to the blacksmith. Now you can pop a soul of a nameless soldier (800 souls) right in front of the blacksmith using this glitch and you're golden.

[@rickdot4902]

Also there's just leveling up insanely fast. I made two max level characters from scratch using this method. One sorcerer and Silver Knight. Both maxed out before NG+5

[@marioplumber3378]

@@rickdot4902 that sword weight thing is interesting to me, i wonder if its possible to glitch out the item weight so i can be a fast-rolling havel

[@catalystz]

It's great to see you having fun with it! Here is a better tutorial for Quantity Using as you described it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGaWpXd-d75rj9k

[@ajflink]

I'm a little annoyed that no programmer thought that having more than one means of navigating and selecting options in menus could be done simultaneously at From Software.

[@sofija1996]

And QLOC also failed to catch this glitch (as well as introduced a new iteration with quantity use) even though they fixed things like move-swapping by clearing the input queue on menu opening.

[@LilacMonarch]

DS1's pc port was notoriously bad in almost every way, for a long time requiring fan-made patches to even work well. I'm not surprised simultaneous controls were overlooked there. But with DSR you'd think it would be different.

[@nocomment9532]

Awesome to see the progression from the BKH RNGesus strat, Thanks Catalystz for the time and effort you put into these videos

[@jacklucy8745]

My life has been better since discovering you Cata, keep rolling !

[@finalfantasyVII2]

This is kinda similar to a glitch in Dark Cloud. Get super weapons hella quick by messing with merchants

[@catalystz]

I actually watched some of the Wrong Warp stuff in Dark Cloud recently! Fascinating how that game is broken.

[@viniciustavolaro]

really fun to discovery how the glitches works from the inside perspective, great video

[@fedeposada]

Your editing is so solid, I love these videos!

[@are3287]

Before that close up of fall control (hush/spook) I never realized the icon was a boot lol

[@RxAxIxNxBxOxW]

All your videos are so enjoyable!

[@tonycost3llo]

if anyone’s wondering,The quantity usage glitch works great on console

[@ProtomanWasTaken]

How do you get away with the initial swap from arrows to swords on a controller? I can't seem to get it to take both inputs.

[@catalystz]

Prompt Swapping as showcased in the first two glitches (Merchant Purchasing and Negative Duping) does not work on console, as it requires a cursor. Quantity Using is possible by opening the 'Brightness' menu and pressing R1 shortly after. A nifty tutorial is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGaWpXd-d75rj9k

[@ProtomanWasTaken]

@@catalystz dang it. Thank you.

[@koval3899]

Absolutely amazing video, everything explained "like i am 5", quality on 10/10

[@gabrielwears1778]

Absolutely adore cata’s way of talking to me like I know absolutely nothing but not making me feel like an idiot. Masterful teaching, and one of the absolute best dark souls KZbinrs/streamers out there

[@pingcashpurr]

Dark Souls tangets ahead! DS is sooo good! I absolutely love how you can choose to beat the game in 20 minutes or spend hundreds of hours on a single play through! The player’s free will to decide the choices/actions, fate, and pace of the Chosen Undead’s journey is unmatched and makes DS replayable countless times. And THEN there is NG+ mode which let’s you replay the game with all of your equipment and re-experience and experience events you may or may not have missed! I love Dark Souls, praise the sun!

[@VileLasagna]

Huh, it's been a little while since the algorithm brought me to one of your vids and... I must say... oh, wow.. Your content was always great stuff but now you have the pacing and scaffolding down just right and the presentation is just incredible. Truly amazing, congrats

[@martk647]

I like how Andre won't stand for that item duplicate like he is a spy sent by Miyazaki.

[@mmedina]

Subscribed. Great video and excellent explanation!

[@dropkickedmurphy6463]

1:07 I would say the hover glitch in the Jak series would be an example of both a praised discovery and a disliked one. People didn't like it for both difficulty reasons and just ruining the old any%'s skill. However, it was also praised because of what such a glitch could skip.

[@youraveragemfdoomenjoyer5513]

Yo your awesome thank you for contributing so much to the community

[@CarlWidegrip]

Sweet production quality! Impressive

[@argo8407]

Please keep making videos like these!!!!! I love them so much and theyre so informative

[@floq6693]

Thank you very much for sharing with passion all this esoteric knowledge ! I think this is what speedrunning is all about : searching for incredibly difficult, complex and stupid mechanics and strategies to fullfil a performance absolutly pointless appart for her inherent beauty. I feel Speedrunning like a crossover between art and sport with the absurd spirit of the Monthy Pythons. Bonne continuation !

[@PeppySweetheart]

I love your editing, dude. It's great. I'm definitely gonna watch more of your stuff just because of the cool letters at the start of the video.

[@theftking]

Now _this_ is a great video title. Good job!

[@aleena2121]

The necrodancer music near the end of the video makes me happy. Those tracks are really recognizable lol, can't fool me.

[@GretgorPooper]

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I play Dark Souls on PC with keyboard and mouse controls. I find that any game where I have to control the character's aim and the movement at the same time is a lot more comfortable to play with keyboard and mouse. Long story short, I could never do prompt swapping because I don't use gamepads :(

[@Eddie2P]

you dont need gamepad

[@Easyflux]

Awesome vid! Love speedrunning and glitch discoveries, you got a sub mate.

[@fromthegamethrone]

I just want to say thank you for your excellent highlighting and editing. Makes it way more simple to follow

[@johnnyvalient]

Incredible editing and information great video👍

[@lethalButters]

Aside from speed running, I’ve been playing Dark Souls since the 360 days, early 2012, the prepare to die edition on pc, remastered pc, and remastered switch. These glitches are fantastic for me to do quest lines or experiment with weapons and strategies even on the switch. I don’t really play online anymore so I’m not trying to abuse it but it’s great for casual runs where I want to get things in 1 play through.

[@cainemattison109]

Great stuff dude keep it up! Your videos are so fascinating and informative, and the editing is on point!

[@FortresscraftFreak]

Thank you so much, this is the only video I could find to help me figure out the newest DS1R any% speedrun ❤️

[@jimbaloni1877]

The wonderful editing just made this video even more enjoyable to watch

[@Azizi_5423]

Excellent content really. Keep up the good work!

[@darkmanmaggot]

reminds me of the morrowind glitch where you would swap between your weapon and a bound weapon and it would cause the level of the bound weapon to increase. usually played with a marksmen level of 300.

[@spikepsych]

I used to watch you run TLOU way back, this video was very interesting and well made I hope you're good man.

[@catalystz]

I hope life has been treating you kindly as well, spike! And of course, I remember you 😉🙏

[@spikepsych]

@@catalystz thank you I am good man

[@kyleken8383]

Finally... I got the info I needed. Never have I ever seen anyone say that loading screens are how the runners get their 99. Ive been trying to work out how to get the estus flask to be dropable to get a quantity menu up haha. Now the only info I need is how to get negative values on ps4 to dupe the twinkling titanite to get BKH +5 before sens gate skip, and I'm on my way to being the #1 dark souls runner on ps4!

[@chainclaw07]

Wow, the fact that a quality of life improvement can be manipulated to destroy any balancing of the game is just... wow

[@TheLegless101]

Well it's not like you can make your weapons do more than the max upgrade. The fastest way to get most items in the game is farming, not pvping, which can get boring. It is pretty broken that you can get to max level in like 30 minutes but most of the time if you want to PvP now a days you have to keep yourself at a specific level anyway. It sure makes creating multiple characters easier to try out different builds.

[@prismaticc_abyss]

well of course a glitch will break the balance, but if you want a balanced game experience then dont use glitches

[@AleXelerate8]

Whats interesting is that i never knew another game had this menu swap or "prompt" glitch till this very moment. (Other than the 2 mentioned below, i do know of the ds1 weapon art swap though and dragon head nerfed and fat roll souls) Theres a similar glitch for fable (1) anniversary. So it seems more games can utilize this menu swap glitch as well. Even Darksiders 2 had a menu swap glitch that allows for free items and infinite currency at a cost though with another type of merchant in the game and an important item being duped too much will break progression in the game.

[@catalystz]

Of course for each game I would assume the underlying mechanics of making this work might be slightly different, but you are probably right that perhaps more ports need to examine the duality of controller and mouse plus keyboard!

[@formal4029]

You might be one of my favorite speedruners period not just dark souls, the commitment to everything is amazing. Much love cata

[@Pharthrax]

“Generate frustrations” white showing Ahady doing Wolf Clip is pretty good LUL

[@catalystz]

I thought it was pretty accurate, yeah 😂

[@luv-lost]

15:31 that screenshot gives me shell-shock

[@forwardspiral9745]

Amazing stuff cata!

[@CUBEoneVX]

this multy menu thing reminds me of PSO, you could do the same thing talking to an npc while accessing a shop menu at the same time. By doing that, you could dupe in PSO and equip multiple weapons at the same time.

[@TheJackMouse]

1:31 Am I the only one here that the tone of the narration, the music, and the pacing of the speech made me expect to hear "I'm gonna show you what it takes to survive in some of the most dangerous places on earth. I've gotta make it through a series of challenges in the sorts of places you wouldn't last a day without the right survival skills."

[@A.C_B.]

The production value on this video is insane.

[@jimmyjams694]

Very high quality video!!

[@Necrophite78]

Whoever used a mouse and keyboard in DarkSouls 1 to play is a real legend.

[@prismaticc_abyss]

I have over 400 hours all in kb&m anyone who says its bad just never tried it for more than 2 minutes

[@Lennynz]

this was really well edited

[@SCDJMU]

Great video. Really enjoyed it. Please make more.

[@xpavpushka]

Thanks for the music list. That qube ost is quite good.

[@utubeThesugi]

love this kind of video ^^

[@Nyk_Style]

I wish Dark Souls 2 had some cool stuff like this one

[@gabenvandenbrink9114]

Awesome vid, subbed

[@Omar-rt1hy]

This is a very interesting discovery by the players, the whole glitch would be solved by some "if statements" or "catch() and throw() for exceptions" being implemented in the game's code, but I think the developers won't give a damn about the game anymore since it has become an old game.

[@alan133]

Catch and throws won't do shit as they are meant to catch execution errors, which is not in the case of glitches. Those will only solve crashes to desktop, and by solving it just means hiding the error from the players. This is more of a asynchronous input race condition.

[@Omar-rt1hy]

@@alan133 Oh that actually makes a lot of sense, 2 inputs may give an improper output, which is the case here. Thanks for taking the time to clarify things for me kind stranger, much love

[@Markooz-GamesNostalgia]

Awesome content! I wonder how many secrets still will be revealed in Dark Souls!

[@RockHeiland]

When you are so hyped you turn on the light 😂

[@jippy33]

Speaking of unpopular discoveries, when the "look down" method was discovered in Goldeneye (saving around a second per minute by increasing fps by looking at the ground), it caused top speedrunners to stop playing the game.

[@wyattmorelock5832]

Just found your channel, I'm now going through and watching all your videos!

[@johntitor4606]

Cool video. What camera mod did you use for those cinematic shots?

[@urzamtg]

reminds me of stackable interfaces in runescape.

[@JudiciaryProductions]

You can do prompt swap with just controller or just kbm aswell. You don't need to utilize both at the same time.

[@catalystz]

You can open two menus at the same time using the brightness prompt, that is correct. However, for merchants you require the mouse cursor so either use keyboard and mouse or controller and mouse. Of course, you can always bind the left mouse button to your controller but that is PC only option.

[@Zularak]

Did you make the transitions and graphics in this video or did you buy them from somewhere(if so where)?

[@catalystz]

All made in-house, sir!

[@Luna0wl]

This video was great I really love when someone is explaining how these bugs appear

[@actl8832]

Stunning Video and Presentation!!! May I asked what programs you used for editing and also for the camera sequences?

[@Akirasip]

How did you manage to do all of these editing tricks in this vid? Was it an external program like after effects, or did you add stuff within the game itself?

[@rig4O4]

I love to see the the Unreal Tournament 99 BGM being used (5:28 for those old school boys that may be here, like me)

[@roax206]

with half the things speedrunners find I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to warp to the final boss and force the bosses hp to use that number (after setting it to zero). Though realistically From would have a different memory allocation for enemies, though I wouldn't be surprised if enemies could be overlapped (ie use one enemies stats as another's), though you would have to find a way that the memory is reused without being overwritten (maybe partially loading another area). It depends to what extremes they went to save memory usage.

[@joshspinney]

Great video as always!

[@Someone89a]

ALFD? Yes this man right here.

[@catalystz]

🏃💨🚓

[@YahamM]

As a developer, this things are really, really amazing to me!

[@derekcampbell4209]

Been sooo long since I followed any bloodborne, DS1 or DS3 speedrunning stuff. Used to run Bloodborne for fun, never competitive. I never had a PC to do DS3 cause the tricks required PC and high frame rates. Does anyone know if on PS5 any ds3 skips work now with 60fps (on console)?

[@noalsono393]

The major skip in any% (Teardrop Skip) doesn’t work on ps5 cause it got patched out but you can try any% current patch route I don’t think there’s anything you can’t so

[@vaehaevuori]

Some skips require precision which is easier to do with a keyboard (Farron skip, Irithyll skip).

[@MOTHERHUMPS101]

You ain't going to get me to miss that unreal tournament soundtrack

[@steliost2217]

Moshi moshi?? Anor Londo Police Department desu

[@ZioName]

Great content as always. P.S: don't think I didn't notice that Super Meat Boy music =P

[@flatmarssociety5707]

This was discovered 3 years ago not in 2019 unless we are talking about only dsr because this glitch has been in og ds for a while there's even a vid of it 3 years ago My bad was thinking of 2 different glitches

[@catalystz]

Prompt Swap was discovered in 2019. You might be thinking about a different duping method called Quantity Storage, which was discovered in December 2017 :)

[@flatmarssociety5707]

@@catalystz ah ya my bad they seemed so similar I thought they was just same thing