This Fight Might Happen In Real Life...Maybe | F-16C Viper Vs Su-57 | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@Matthew-52572]

It’s weird how insane the turning on things like the f22 and su 57 look when your fighting it but when your in the cockpit it doesn’t look that strange

[@keithhoss4990]

@@Matthew-52572 It's one thing when playing DCS or watching it. When you're in the airplane, the extremely rapid onset of G's can GLOC any man including the most experienced G monsters. So often people don't realize the physicality of being a fighter pilot unless they've actually pulled high G's in an actual airplane...

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@keithhoss4990 I don't know about you, but I know for a FACT that you can put 1 of the 7 Swedish pilots in the world into an aircraft pulling 13gs and they'll still curse you out.

[@JosiasPira]

Pls GS rogue Su-57 vs the Motherland

[@neilmitchell-hauoli8177]

Maybe a Japanese F-2A vs bandit unknown..F-2A vs anything 😅 would be sick to watch you fly the F-2A your Bada$$ with a F-16C already so im sure you would Fly the F-2A like a beast 😄

[@benson4820]

This has to be the dogfight of the year

[@SE-tc3cr]

Never has there been a better demonstration of 'it's not the plane it's the pilot', there is no way in hell an F16 should be able to beat an SU57 on paper, amazing flying from GS.

[@m.g7809]

It would have been a totally different story with Fox-2s though.

[@gaiofattos2]

@@m.g7809 On paper. We have no clue about how Su-57 employ its R-77M with R-37m.

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@gaiofattos2 Neither the R-77m nor R-37M are IRH missiles

[@gawddamnnotthisagain]

Didn't GS score at least a handful of kills with the Viper and the Typhoon against the Felon? At least I seem to remember that he did.

[@FlamingF18s]

@@TheArcticFoxxoyes but to get to the dogfight u have to be neutral in the bvr fight enough to even get to the merge which is where the r37m and r77m would come in

[@darkguset]

What amazes me is: 1. Your knowledge and understanding of the aircraft aerodynamics and operation. Your principal theory actually worked in practice. So basic pilot training is not negated by aircraft and technology advancements as one would think. 2. The fact that like you said, there is probably no 'perfect' aircraft for all types of scenarios, even for figthter class jets. There will always be compromises and it is up to the pilot to try and engage in the best type of combat to get the edge over the oponent. Well done - I really enjoyed this one! Cheers!

[@thomgizziz]

What amazes me is you don't know what you are talking about yet you pretend like you do.

[@maalik6881]

the glazing is crazy

[@TheCoupe06]

@@thomgizziz What's NOT amazing is the OBVIOUS FACT that, to this point, he's got over 611K subscribers on this/HIS channel who think otherwise, even the "tire kickers", including you. And you DON'T.

[@Starwalker-dm4mg]

@@TheCoupe06 ok cool but the first guy still has no idea what he's talking about

[@lazaarclubb6981]

​@@TheCoupe06 So more likes and subscribers make him a know-it-all? Nice delusion you’ve got going there.

[@hkguitar1984]

5:14, Your explanation of how you can tell the performance characteristics of an aircraft by its design features is spot-on. Very similar how a car enthusiast can easily spot the difference between a car intended for straight-line Drag Racing verses a Sports Car designed for a Road Course. Great Flying GS

[@tazman98ify]

Mint comparison

[@abstractedaway]

Who would have thought a common WW2 maneuver would be the F-16's ticket against the Felon? Bravo!

[@andersjjensen]

"When the fancy shit fails, revert to basics!" :P

[@manueldelbusto725]

Felon missed a lot of shots. Even then a scenario like this with modern fox 2 wouldnt ever happen.

[@773-o2n]

because this is a guns-only dogfight... pretty much ww2 scenario lmao. so ofc a ww2 maneuver works

[@greybuckleton]

Wouldn't work if the Felon driver would climb above rather than dump speed when GS tried to make him overshoot.

[@IronFist080]

Well I don't think they made stealth fighter for gun fight.

[@renevanderkraats224]

Visually, that Felon is a beautiful plane. I like it's profile more than that of the Raptor. Color scheme also suits it very well. But having worked with the Falcon (assistant crewchief, and maintenance) the F-16 will always have a special place in my heart.

[@parkerlong2658]

4th gen aircraft are really special. I alwayd view them as the equivalent of the porsche 911 or when the Ferraris actually became good road cars. Power like the older vehicles but substance as well.

[@frankzhao8352]

Amazing flying and anticipation. You lost visuals briefly while lining up the shot and had to pull the trigger based on where you think he’ll be. It was like a perfect no look pass in football. Beautifully done

[@curtisbartlett8170]

Can't help but be very impressed with your talent for calculating your opponents strength and weaknesses. This vid was a very good example. Thanks for an enjoyable dogfight.

[@zenknt]

absolutely comedic how you post this as soon as i got done watching the video of the su-35 in Alaska

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

​@@loicalexI guess that means I have launch authorization, huh? 😂

[@park1776]

you mean that f-16 in chukotka?

[@Beastlypelican45]

Got a link to the video?

[@Xiodot]

"You can tell a lot about an aircraft just by looking at it" but we don't talk about the Foxbat..

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

what?

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

what?

[@hereisaname8567]

@@TheArcticFoxxocompletely different role than what its design leads you to believe

[@park1776]

you do not talk about the fight club

[@Darkeons1]

We don’t talk about Bruno ahh statement (fr though yeah, but on the bright side it birthed the f15)

[@gregfromguam]

Interesting fight, the second one. You ended up down on the deck, then took advantage of his predisposition to angle fighting. Bear with me, I'm WWII boomer dude. You got the break when he lost energy as you were zooming, then after a series of boom 'n zooms, you got him. Very cool.

[@brockmiller574]

Greg, that reminded me of stories of Wildcats fighting Zeros in places like Midway and Guadalcanal.

[@maximan4363]

I thought it was very intelligent, his aircraft pretty much dominates you in every way; unless you force him slow!! He still can pull his nose around but every time he does he loses even more energy! His jets ain't really designed for this kind of fight! You played him really bloody well!!

[@grindcorejoe6661]

That was the most impressive Flying I have ever seen, even on this Channel!

[@CrawfordLilavivat-k8e]

Incredible flying! It really isn’t the plane, but the pilot.

[@Hangry_Hungarian]

I always enjoy your dogfight videos but this one was really fun to watch. Seeing you experiment and finding the way to beat the Su-57 in the F-16 was really cool, and the seeing the tactic work well! I know you have done this in the past but I don't know, this one was just really fun to watch.

[@Slipknotfanatic89]

Through years of videos and hundreds of dogfights, I don’t think I’ve even been as emotionally invested as I was in this one. I reeled, winced, exclaimed, jumped in my chair, you name it. What an amazing show of talent from both of you! You conceptualizing energy trapping the Felon was the exact type of thinking that was going to be required to beat it. There just aren’t words to explain what a true masterclass this was. We’re lucky to have you GS!

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 135

[@genericyoutubename-nx5xp]

The E/F models are pretty new, a true old vs new would be F/A18C or F14A/B

[@G47R]

Edge of my seat through that 2nd fight. One of the very top best i've seen in your channel and i watch them all. Well done GS!

[@woistwalter7037]

I normally don´t associate russian tech with fine lines and aesthetic, but their planes are just gorgeous. Mig-29, Su-27 and now Su-57 are so beautiful.

[@sergioibarra3461]

and Mig-31 is kind of cool too

[@itsdokko2990]

@@sergioibarra3461 in a very _crude, unrefined_ way, but i agree, soviet/russian design is beautiful

[@raideurng2508]

And their electronics suck.

[@park1776]

t-34😍

[@AgnosticThinker]

​@raideurng2508 proof?

[@petep8828]

dude! it was flabbergasting watching the felon visibly struggle to point the nose.

[@gudgengrebe]

What I love about your channel is your commentary. I’m new to combat simulation and have yet to buy the necessary equipment, but I am loving your videos. You are the best at this because you explains what’s happening. I was watching other channels and they leave too much dead air, where nothing is happening and the dogfights are often done without commentary, which is super dull. My favourite dogfights are with WW1 and 2 planes. I could watch those all day. Anyway, I wanted to thank you for entertaining an old boy like me. Keep up the good work.

[@adiarka4543]

At 14:08 I was expecting the Felon to jumpscare you with a last-ditch cobra LOL

[@pmgvictor4625]

I love the level of knowledge that you have in DCS but with also understanding the strength and weaknesses of airframes that is both informative but also engaging. Also the way you apply tactics that you use to exploit the weaknesses to get the win and the patience to not over commit like avoiding the gun run darting yourself. Also shoutout to your opponent and thank you for providing such a good dogfight.

[@CartoonrBOY]

I really appreciate these potential real-world engagements. You should do a series. Vietnam, Falklands, Iraq etc have plenty of situations I'm sure you could shed light on both tactically & technically. Love the channel!!!

[@roli4040]

Reminds me a little at the F4 tactics against Mig 21. Maintain your speed, climb, dive down, shoot.

[@GreenmanBlunt22]

The M61 doesn't get near enough credit for being a badass gun. It's like a baby A10 GAU 8, even makes a nice little brrrrrt 😁🤣

[@emphopho]

M61 is truly a scary armament, but the Gau 8 is Frightening. Just the sound of it makes the hairs stand up on your neck. Having heard the Gau 8 on a cloudy day, with no visual on the A-10, most of my platoon froze and asked eachother, "WTH was THAT" ???.

[@JosiasPira]

That second fight was tense, but really highlights just how good GS is at flying the Viper, AMAZING job !

[@vegan-cannibal714]

How many times have they said the dog fight era was over at least two times i can think of.

[@sergioibarra3461]

Felon one turns F-16 with Fox2

[@pluemas]

They said that before the introduction of heatseekers that can crank 20Gs and fired at targets 100° from the nose. Dogfights are dead.

[@koen6812]

@@pluemas F-35 with DAS system and Aim-9 with LOAL pushes this capabilities farther and can shoot with 360 degrees angle.

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

Only 20gs? France has been pushing out 60g missiles since the '80s.@@pluemas

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@koen6812 DAS has nothing to do with the AIM-9X-II's LOAL features. The F-35 didn't push this either, the ASRAAM on the Typhoon EOC was the first to use LOAL.

[@fandance7815]

the felon had to be super frustrated during the second fight, that was sick

[@micheldaubigne7629]

P-51's Used a similar tactic battling ME 262's Over Germany in 1945 ..."The more things change, The more they stay the same" ~M

[@adamseffect8604]

You've essentially found a way to neutralize the difference in maneuvers, well done!

[@CoinSnobz]

That was AWESOME!!!!! Again, another video from you where I actually catch myself inching up to the computer screen and pumping my fists. Great job as always GS.

[@nihil75]

Might be your best vid ever! amazing to see strat evolve during the fight. well done.

[@zeroomicron4821]

One of the better dogfights I have seen from GS in a while. Great to watch, really enjoyed.

[@tomm1413]

I feel like the SU-57 is made much stronger in DCS than it's real life counterpart. A lot of news has slipped through about it not being as agile as it was supposed to be and also its stealth capabilities are leaving a lot to the imagination. That's just what I've heard and I'm not sure if it's actually true or not, because you never know for sure until all information is declassified.

[@DDayJayke]

Well, at least the first round showed us that GS is capable of ejecting BEFORE it is too late from time to time. Seriously, sometimes he waits until it is guaranteed that he will stain the grass with his blood. But that first round went about how I suspected it would go, especially when I saw that he didn't jink.

[@ElDoyle33]

“He’s so slow here” *me who can’t see him due to KZbin compression on mobile* “Ah yes I see, well done”

[@studiosputnik39]

That was probably the most intense dogfight i've ever seen, with a lot of overshoots and close encounters. WOW!

[@marvel9r421]

That is actually how Falcons kill their prey in the wild. Dive bomb attacks. Im amazed GS never pulled this maneuver before in the F-16 with its high rate of climb.

[@matthewschrand6327]

always nice to see an upload my man

[@CorruptedElement]

Dogfight idea: You have to crash into your enemy to win. I think it would be interesting. (The enemy can still use guns)

[@hadojin210]

This sounds REALLY fun!

[@macgyver186]

Fox 4 fight.

[@hadojin210]

@@macgyver186yes!

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

You're a smart dude brother. Awesome vid. Keep em coming my champ.

[@01ZO6TT]

First off, great dog fight. Second, I’m impressed with your knowledge of fighter designs and what they would be better at in a fight. Also how to get the edge on your opponent. Great job.

[@D64nz]

I love how SG didn't just give up and say oh it can't be done. It was like a puzzle to be solved, and he systematically tried a number of different methods until he found one that worked. The machine helps a lot, but the man is so important too when the fights are like a high speed chess match. Well done. 😊

[@3v4761]

THE GUN FIGHT WILL NEVER BE DEAD.......they found that out the hard way with the F-4

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

A stealth F4 with a modern radar and missiles is a 5th gen fighter. They didnt have the tech to make it work back in 3rd gen.

[@ishitmehta3057]

This was basically a single Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 beating out 2 Saturn AL-41-F1s

[@bartoshii]

It is ge129 in DCS but yeah idea stays the same.

[@kirbyr558]

That was a very clever solution to being forced into a 1 circle fight.

[@MrSmurfnanne]

Very improbable that the F-16 could even get close enough to the SU-57. The days of dogfights are all but over.

[@interpl6089]

It would have to pass the S-400s and Pantsirs and then it would need to be undetected by the Su-57 radar...impossible.

[@icaleinns6233]

Damn, that was some skill there! Well done!

[@WillM38]

Now I wonder if that trick could work against the F-22, or if the Raptor's T:W is too high to let an F-16 or similar get away with that.

[@teemukustila]

Think the F-22 has so much thrust it can get away with that.

[@mattt525]

I was clenching my cheeks on last last divebomb! Beautiful flying GS

[@ThePretender1]

Cant say it was beautiful but was very intelligent flying! Excellent video!

[@Achtungus]

The su 57 had so much opportunities to shoot you down but some how he missed in all of them

[@chrisr2925]

It's not over till the F-35 sings

[@chebichevinovichskic]

lol what

[@chrisr2925]

Watch the video

[@chebichevinovichskic]

@@chrisr2925 i did but i missed the part where a F-35 shows up

[@Rty-q1g]

i can tell you are a very experienced pilot when you win a dog fight with a f16 against a su57, and that su57 pilot was good as well

[@landonor1]

This is like a NASCAR race at Bristol.

[@LordHolley]

Maverick would be proud 👏

[@tombooker13]

Well done! You had to be very creactive to get this kill!

[@meanman6992]

The way you got him to follow into a stall was like some WWII stuff.

[@rallentin]

Would you fancy doing some videos again, where you fight over a montaineous region and dont know where the enemy is? I loved those videos!

[@Andy_XT]

Impressive! Great flying!

[@rangerrick8220]

Where there is a will, there is a way! Good job!

[@jsaludes1]

That was some of the best tactic adaptation I've seen yet!

[@MinefighterLP]

That was some really impressive flying ngl!!!

[@abbaerfani9007]

Hello GS I would like to let you know you are the best every time I go against the SU57 even with SU35 I can not go more than one minute and I be shut down you are very smart to find out how to kill this beast. Thank you so much for making all this great videos ❤❤❤

[@jessmith7324]

The gun fight isnt dead because political situations can still make bvr hands tied. Though the off bore shot def makes it difficult, it also isnt impossible. It only takes one mistake or miss

[@Sam_Watson__]

Well done GS. Outstanding

[@legomyeggo1187]

As planes become stealthier wouldn't that make dog fighting more common?

[@joeisslung]

yea i feel like that would because if their both stealthy it would force the merge

[@btw_ole7932]

No cause the radar power increases too. Also we don’t know how missle technology advances and which effects it might have

[@joeisslung]

@@btw_ole7932 tru

[@MacedonianChristian]

@@btw_ole7932 radar are most of the time of if the inteceptors knows what they are engaging, so the RWR doesnt snitch their position.

[@masoodjalal1152]

@@btw_ole7932 You are stealth as long as the radar is turned off. So both will be flying with their radars turned off. the radar power is irrelevant. Most stealth planes have passive radars to pick enemy radar signatures, but if the enemy is also stealth they will have their radar turned off, so your passive radar option becomes useless.

[@sokandueler9578]

That was a great call betting on the Thrust to weight ratio to pull you out of that energy trap with a much heavier aircraft.

[@KillerKev1961]

Excellent dogfight. At one point, you were down to 80kts IAS.

[@VengerDFW]

12:30 Bro... no free trips through my HUD...

[@donaldkeller881]

That was awesome! GS is that guy!

[@georgelugenalt200]

A great and instructional video, thanks!!

[@pumarolz]

4:23 I see this felon has the upgraded stealth nozzles / engines

[@IAm-uu8vu]

Now do missiles and BVR. The issue is that the Felon will have a first probably second, and maybe even third missile shot at the F16 while the F16 will have none of those, and worse for the Ukrainians is that they're rocking AMRAAMs and the Russians potentially have long range hypersonics.

[@davidguerrero3059]

That was some serious juking to win that one good flight ⭐

[@Yousochessy]

very interesting using all of his weaknesses in that fight speed trap or whatever you said :D

[@andersjjensen]

That last round was some seriously spicy flying! If the F-16 got a +15-20% engine power upgrade you could do that all day every day.

[@collin4592]

Who knew that the Immelmann was still relevant 100 years later. Good job.

[@xerxxxlugner]

The best video that GS has ever uploaded!

[@renorzeta]

i feel like he just messing around.

[@xiinite9]

I'd love to see a scenario where the viper goes after a bomber frogfoot or fullback, only to be ambushed by a Felon.

[@chebichevinovichskic]

Like what happened a few weeks ago over Alaska, and the Sukhoy headbutted an F-16? lol

[@stormhawk31]

Good job!

[@Dagohfer]

What a beauty the Su-57 is.

[@Last_Starfighter]

Great fight! 🛦⚔🛦👌👍✌

[@planestrainsandautomobiles8065]

Can you do more in-depth dogfight analyses after a splash 1? Let us know what mistakes or advantages were awarded during the fight?

[@lucasreiss1390]

man pulled a smigol time with that nose countering

[@11leonidas11]

I was actually holding my breath on that second fight

[@Forza_horizon6]

Love your videos

[@Catfoolyou]

Looks like you finally got revenge on that Su-57 from the time it kicked your ass in a BVR fight

[@parousia2771]

nice work, although during that first "energy trap" attempt you gotta pitch down as soon as he does.

[@sandrosichiiii]

would be cool to see more of these outmatched dogfights/bvr fights, very interesting

[@codychild2665]

Awesome round 2!

[@iwenameh]

Round 2 is INSANE scientific research

[@truthseeker9454]

Great fights! Who flew the Felon? Did I miss that somewhere?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya I don’t post the name if they Did not wish to be identified.

[@truthseeker9454]

​@@GrowlingSidewinder Ah, I see. Very considerate of you! Thanks for explaining, GS. I'll help pass that on to others who ask.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you, I appreciate you, it's a common question.

[@kjwong4730]

Unbelievable, even if it’s not real life and even we don’t know the true performance of the su57… still amazing flying

[@jihadrouani5525]

I was just watching a video on the TU-160 White Swan and was basically captivated by how gorgeous it looks, hopefully we see it here on GS in a mission video or something (also if you do decide to make a video on it don't call it by its NATO designation, they picked the worst name for the most beautiful bomber out there)

[@emperor_sunshine]

Are there any RF-4C desert storm missions? It would be interesting to see. My dad would love it, especially if you used the doctrine he wrote himself in the early eighties.

[@bitman_agent67]

Brilliant strategy

[@alld6005]

Excellent work!