This gadget means police can ID you anywhere - BBC London

Mobile fingerprint technology, pioneered by the Met Police, is allowing officers to check people's identity out on the beat - saving time and reducing costs.
At the moment when an individual is arrested they have to be taken to a police station with a custody suite to process finger and palm prints and take photographs.
With the number of custody suites being cut the process can take several hours.
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[@dholaholics]

Who’s the actual developer and where’s his or hers credit for this?

[@kwakgreen]

I wouldn't subscribe to the BBC so long as I've got s hole in my arse.

[@kellynisbett5876]

I would not watch anything the BBC supposed or suggest. I would really would be insane 🤪

[@moist.teabag]

your like the oposite of robin hood so no thanks

[@UncleBen-fd5xi]

This pricks the gouverment and police are robbing our human rights. Im glad im not living in the Uk i‘ve would have started a riot straight away!!!!

[@spencerdodds2207]

“A reason for an arrest is not knowing a persons name or address” what absolute cobblers, this tyrant is out of control!

[@moj6241]

To make a arrest in England and Wales the Police And Criminal Evidence Act PACE was revised, meaning a officer needs necessity criteria, there are a number. Two of those are to ascertain someone’s name / date of birth and address.

[@spencerdodds2207]

@@moj6241 . You DO NOT have to give your name and address unless the officer points out an offence he / she suspects you have committed. However, not providing your details may lead to you being detained for longer.

[@WielkaStopa-qh1rr]

This is fully unlawfull tyranny.

[@vincentdeguard4726]

...detained and arrested are two different things

[@Telboy555]

Amen

[@Telboy555]

@EMINƎM 😂

[@shotgunsneezes24s15]

More likely if you being detained you getting cuffed

[@rayturner7855]

Yes amen

[@r9kv753]

People trying to spin it like the uk is turning into a police state then they complain against grooming gangs and knife gangs "you can't have your cake and eat it*

[@Harry._.Thompson]

"once the fingerprint is checked is deleted" sure...

[@chrischoy9]

Just imagine if it deletes it from the national data base

[@rayturner7855]

Lol that got me to

[@thefiestaguy8831]

It's "Compare only" it doesn't "Store it" Essentially, when the print is taken, it reads the print and analyses it, it then compares it to the national database, and displays any matches, if no matches are found, it will display this on the screen. If you think about it logically, it wouldn't need to store the fingerprints taken... because the whole point of using it, is that the police suspect the person is giving a false name or, is about to commit, or has committed an offence. Now in order to store it, they need a name to store it against, so that any future matches to that print will show a person's name. If they suspect they're providing a false name, so they take their prints, and no matches are found (because they've not been arrested and put on the system before), then unless they can be sure the name they have been given is that person's actual name, then there is no way the print can be linked to any particular name. The custody process is different, when arrested, the officer provides the circumstances and the reasons, if detention is authorised, the person is asked for their name, address, occupation, and risk assessment questions are answered, such as if they have any illnesses, are injured, take medication, have suicidal tendencies or suffer with depression, or if anyone relies on their care, etc. Once the details are taken, and the custody record is created, THEN they go through to the room with the live scan machine, whereby the detention officer inputs their details (first name, surname, date of birth, etc) into the system BEFORE capturing the prints. So then, going forward, if those prints are scanned on a machine, it will link to the match from when they were bought into custody, and the key point, is that it will give a NAME of a person. There is quite literally no point whatsoever in stopping people on the street, and taking their prints, but not being sure that the name they have given you is correct, because if you can't confirm the name of the person then the prints will be stored against no name, which would be utterly pointless. The whole point of storing prints it to match it to other records and identify the person, by being provided with a name. If there's no name linked to any print then you aren't going to get a name, so the whole process would be pointless.

[@Mr_Dimplezz]

@@thefiestaguy8831 did you start writing this comment when this video was shared on KZbin a year ago? 😂 🤣 Jk buddy.. 👍

[@AC-13]

how will people ever know 🤔

[@aupaaupa2377]

Can't see this ending up as a police state

[@aiozba]

It will be late then to open your eyes

[@johnsmith132.]

@@aiozba Millions AWAKE

[@Jojohumf]

So they’re essentially stopping anyone they wish and putting their details in a database for an indefinite period because they want to?

[@Sora-xl5ti]

Johnoè the video explains the device does not keep fingerprints and they’re deleted after use. They use the fingerprint and compare it with databases (both national and international) to check their credentials and criminal history..

[@Jojohumf]

Sweet Peaches this is my point, you can be put in that data base if they suspect you of doing something they don’t yet have evidence for. For example if you’re arrested today, they keep you on the data base for an indefinite period if you’re ever falsely arrested for the same thing again that gives them reasonable suspicion.

[@Sora-xl5ti]

Johnoè I guess I just don’t really buy it, I’m not a criminal nor have I done anything illegal so I don’t see it as a concern..I’ve never even been stopped by the police

[@Jojohumf]

Sweet Peaches you don’t need to be a criminal or do illegal things to value your privacy. It becomes a problem when you’re driving your nice car in a bad area and you’re getting stopped 5-15 times a month because you’re out of place. Wasting your time again and again all because you got stopped and added to a register of previous people that have been stopped. Or someone hacking into their system and with you finger print and details, they’re able to buy stuff in your name and so on.

[@xw351]

Johnoè saying straight facts, my guy

[@book2316]

"Or if they doubt the name given by the person", so that's anybody and everybody then!

[@bobhill2821]

you know police will miss use this device at random stops

[@iainduncan0303]

In what way?

[@slickidrich490]

What's next? Micro tag?

[@Telboy555]

😂😂😂

[@richardh6089]

Shane Richards I can see a time when we we’ll have I’d tags implanted at birth.

[@slickidrich490]

@@richardh6089 well we won't because we are already born. But I hear you my brother. Scary times for generations to come

[@meti9230]

@@slickidrich490 very scary times. I'm going to teach my future kids to be soldiers, awake and ready

[@RP9SPORT]

It’s just to confirm who you are and can only be taken if you have committed an offence... if you are not a criminal your data will not be on any police database. Its the law... Read a book... better yet... listen to what is said in the video?

[@shotgunsneezes24s15]

I loved how they used a immigrant for the first one 😂

[@edmundprice5276]

But after that, who is next? hmmm, this is a first step, but a first step towards what?

[@TheMercifulKnight]

Gotta sway public opinion somehow

[@aiozba]

Good point

[@yaarn303]

And how do you know she’s an Immigrant?

[@GK-up2rk]

So someone can’t beg on the streets yet charity companies are aloud to beg for money on our TV screens legally? Makes sense 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ys3632]

Gary K because they could be a fake beggar

[@northover5023]

some beggers follow you around until you pay

[@asmallboi3559]

That woman is always there though

[@douglastodd1947]

Gary K I still want to know the name of the Charity that is paying for the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to fight their Deportations from UK. this money was meant for doing good in the World helping poor and needy NOT for FIGHTING LAW SUITS. this Charity should be REMOVED from CHARITIES REGISTER and CLOSED DOWN.

[@douglastodd1947]

@@turbokukk YOUR NOT VERY GOOD AT READING BETWEEN THE LINES ARE YOU ?

[@paulg3012]

Intimidating people into providing ID on assumptions and bogus suspicion.

[@soloperformer5598]

This implies to me that everybody's fingerprints are on record.

[@Kaiyats]

No only those that were arrested or if you have a BRP biometric residence permit

[@danbruton126]

This is getting stupid society's is doomed no one has any freedom except the people using this stuff when challenged off to drugging under mental health to justify it

[@damienbell7412]

This still won’t do anything about the knife crime. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ys3632]

Damien Bell but then if fingerprints are there are easily found

[@r9kv753]

It will though

[@joelgottfried5849]

4:59 Once a print is checked its deleted?! it literally says save scan on the screen while the bloody narrator goes on! just wait one day your prints are gonna wind up on a crime scene linking you to something that you had nothing to do with

[@spudhead1161]

The driver had no legal obligation to get his prints took.

[@simonmorgan225]

Yet. Give them time.

[@chezroberts9188]

amen! but sadly most don't know what their rights are :(

[@thefiestaguy8831]

Based on what? Suspected of committing an offence.. in any case, if they doubt his identity, and he can't prove it (with a photographic driving license or some other form of photo ID), they can use it.... Driving without insurance is still an offence, so is driving without a valid MOT, the fact it's a traffic offence is irrelevant, the term is "committing an OFFENCE".

[@spudhead1161]

@@thefiestaguy8831 You can not get prints took for driving offences, only under pace to prove who you are. Some driving offences, yes which are criminal offences. Police can't just pull you and take prints. Don't argue.

[@thefiestaguy8831]

@@spudhead1161 The whole point of taking prints is to prove identity, regardless of the offence. If you can't prove the identity, or keep changing your name and date of birth when the officer asks for it, it's pretty clear you are making it up, and so an option which gives them a realistic chance of finding your name and date of birth is to obtain your prints.

[@dantebingham6043]

This has actually been out longer than you think, they've had previous devices names Lantern devices, where only some officers could use them if they were trained in them.

[@AT16]

You can’t arrest someone because you don’t know their name or address, unless they are obligated to provide it under the law.

[@thefiestaguy8831]

You can, in certain situations you are obligated to provide it. If they commit an offence, or are suspected of committing one, or are involved in anti-social behaviour, under numerous different laws they are required to provide name, this is especially prevalent in traffic offences. You get stopped driving stupidly quickly... the officers want to report you to court, for perhaps, driving at 70 in a 30... They need to fill out the forms so that you can be sent a court summons through the post. You refuse to give your name and address, or even confirm that the car is yours. Without your name and address, they simply cannot complete the process, and therefore no summons could be issued, and so, as such, PACE CODE G (You clearly want to look it up) allows them to arrest people in certain situations who refuse to provide their name and address, in this case, they'd likely arrest them for obstruction, UNTIL such time as they provide the details. Realistically, if you were nicked for this, and driving on the way back to custody, and then suddenly decided to provide your name and address, provided they were in a position to stop and check these details, they'd do so. As long as you weren't then wanted for some other offence, they'd be able to process the court summons form and then you'd be let go, receiving the summons in the post usually weeks later.

[@TheTwistedRich]

Only if you have committed a crime,never give police your details,you have the right to remain silent and in no way obliged not incriminate yourself.

[@Ashysand]

The SS would have loved something like this. Well looks like they will be misusing this soon enough.

[@TamilEelam1]

lol

[@emptyangel]

strict guidelines lol... I'll give it a couple of months to a year for abuse to occur

[@NicholasCoulter]

Between the facial recognition cameras and now this, it's all feeling like a real invasion of privacy

[@iainduncan0303]

I presume your Facebook accounts qnd whatever else myst be v secure like most of the population. Who cares if the cops have your fingerprints, might narrow down some suspects if you or your family are the victims of crime.

[@NicholasCoulter]

@@iainduncan0303 I don't agree with alot of the laws in this country now as they're becoming outdated and unjustified. I feel the government has got too much power over the population now and this just feels like another way for the government to control people as well as what they say and do, don't get me wrong, this will likely help do alot of good, but in the UKs current state, the last thing we need is for the government to have more power and control over innocent people

[@iainduncan0303]

@@NicholasCoulter can you give me an example within the criminal sphere of how the government hold too much power? The only thing I can think of is perhaps the new law which stopped noisy protesters outside Parliament which is recent and as long as the noise was not stopping them doing their job they should be allowed in my mind. Other than that I can't think of anything personally. In fact the new data protection laws have hindered the legal system dramatically, offenders (who often don't commit crimes as a one off) DNA etc is only held on the data base for a 3 years unless it has been particularly violent AND sexual which they can apply to hold it longer. This 'protection' has let many offenders go free or qt best prolong the investigation And as stated - 99% (dare I guess) of people complaining about the government holing their fingerprints have their entire life story on media like Facebook for all to see.

[@iainduncan0303]

@Korsalath such as? Sell it to the aliens? What are you afraid of?

[@iainduncan0303]

@Korsalath can you give me 2 examples of your worries about your identification details please?

[@Zxkyyy]

A brilliant tool if used correctly, but the police are obviously going to abuse it.

[@videolad3057]

I adore this comment.

[@iainduncan0303]

How will they abuse it? Personally I don't have a criminal record so I have nothing to fear.

[@xuchia117]

The met police are ridiculous

[@tomo0086]

The police can demand your name and address for no reason?

[@tomo0086]

66topman It happened to me recently, I said I’m happy to cooperate if you tell me why you want my name and they replied “cause we’ll arrest you”.

[@joeking6921]

They cant unless they suspect you of a crime. But I'm sure they can make one up.

[@tomo0086]

66topman They said not giving them my name was an offence.

[@calbra1628]

If you are driving a vehicle then you have to provide your driving licence, and if you don't have it then provide your name address and date of birth.

[@magicmoe2716]

@@tomo0086 arrest you for what? For not giving your name when you haven't committed a crime? Tell em to arrest you if that's so.. Even though they won't. It's called SCARE TACTICS 👍🏾

[@danked6731]

I thought the Nazis lost that war or?

[@truerepsollaw1854]

The immortal words of Bob Marley come to mind:: get up stand up stand up for ya rights get up stand up never give up the fight

[@oomz1975]

@@ef7480 that's why you should educate yourself

[@aiozba]

That is the point, it is to late now. We already under control.

[@randomsonic5929]

How do they have the fingerprints in the first place

[@Telboy555]

Criminal files

[@jeiuanne331]

When you come into the UK the first time, they take your fingerprints at Customs. Its that simple

[@AndrzejLondyn]

@@jeiuanne331 But not from EU citizen...

[@aaronpierre8465]

@@jeiuanne331 no they don't

[@jeiuanne331]

Andrew true, forgot to mention that

[@pimisi]

That’s quite clever and resourceful. The holding cells don’t need to be filled up for no reason.

[@zhmedia4103]

apple: where did all of touch id home buttons go?

[@Triumph-dp6lx]

This is appalling…….the police must be stopped !

[@DirectMM3]

Police: we will take your fingerprints Everyone: how to remove fingerprints

[@AC-li1pg]

Police are moving different so don’t get into trouble kids

[@Pleasant_exe]

No such thing as privacy anymore.

[@Telboy555]

Exactly

[@currentcomentor1026]

The military were useing a similar but bulkier thing in afghanistan that did the same thing.

[@tentimetex]

Step 1: Police have finger print readers step 2: finger print data is connected to persons ID and personal information 3: data is connected to other data bases like car insurance 4: Inter governmental database data is connected with data from other institutions 5: an ID card is issued to every citizen with their finger print on it 6: finger printing becomes mandatory everywhere 7: You have a Police state. We go from 1 to 7 very quickly.

[@pnegeoff5385]

I'm sure police have had this technology for years. I remember getting pulled over about 10+ years ago and they had a hand held device called a lantern.

[@ItsFreeTom]

NOT KNOWING SOMEONES NAME AND ADDRESS IS AN ARRESTABLE OFFENCE WHAT A JOKE THAT LAW ABUSING PIG IS

[@duncansmith44]

No. Not giving the police is NOT a reason for arrest.

[@brucewhite7943]

she had Id but they still checked this is gonna be abused so bad

[@THURABUDDIN]

After a long time london police officer wake up

[@fredbritain9008]

mohd thurab It’s not the fault of the police you dummy it’s the judiciary who is at fault and idiotic softly softly human right laws.

[@oh-itsace9241]

i really dont believe it would be deleted, im sure this is sensitive data, which can be used to forge prosecutions. however all im saying is if they are going to take finger prints like this, they need to provide a contract that the finger print will be used for sole purpose to identify for THAT stop. and if data is leaked, then there needs to be a fine for the police and compensation to the victim. i will not be surprised if there is a data breach or data sold in the future. i think the finger print is going to be the new national insurance number

[@jhussain2091]

Everyone dislikes the police until they are a victim of crime.

[@davekelly8168]

OH FFS!!! this and facial recognition, North Korea will be looking at us for ideas..

[@AC-13]

wow, it used to be having to be charged to obtain prints. 'Nineteen Eighty Four' - George Orwell

[@Pjay444]

have to get the cheese grater out for slicing my fingertips to remove fingerprints, annoying!

[@RonSeymour1]

It will only work if your prints are on record but apply a layer of superglue before you go out.

[@mkodyglobalsouthsoldier]

Any other suggestions

[@likeabossatcod98DV0UR]

A Reason for an Arrest is not knowing a person’s name or address. No! 🤣 A Reason for an arrest is if a crime is committed, or a suspected crime. We can refuse to give out details. 😅

[@douglastodd1947]

If you,ve never been finger printed , youre not on a record , until they use this on you , now your on record even if you,ve never committed a crime in your life . BASIC VIOLATION OF YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS. this machine should be BANNED,

[@abdisaidi3218]

Never allow the police take ur finger prints for no reason . They can only do that if u commited a crime

[@FCVP71]

What's the problem? If you are not in the wrong, you have nothing to worry about....

[@paulbear.]

Unless you've committed a crime, or are driving a vehicle and they stop you under the road traffic act using the CORRECT power, then give them nothing and tell 'em to jog on

[@fuckbankers]

Glad they've given up on face recognition

[@colonialclive]

Can’t ID you if you haven’t got a record!

[@hsvr]

This has a lot of potential but is also dangerous to the people

[@I_am_BiG_Al]

They've had the lantern for years a handheld fingerprint reader

[@johnsmith-rs2vk]

No ID . card system and the compulsory Reg . of one's address in the UK . A paradise to go off the radar .

[@colinclarkemanofalltrades]

the police are supposed to make you feel safe , but that im sure that is not the way most feel about them.

[@doomedt-62]

Ah, Big Brother is back once again.

[@kingdomreturn304]

Not for long hopefully a No Deal will affect this

[@ellismeah5127]

Have all the powers, data equipment, manpower, resources, yet can't stop rampant knife crime in the UK

[@holatengobro2332]

So if they didnt have that device they wouldve arrested that woman? Because THEY couldnt be sure of her identity.

[@jamconnell1377]

To help catch potential dangerous criminals to protect the public....... then stops an old lady street begger. Yeah like this technology wont be abused.

[@AstoundingAmelia]

The reason they do that is that "Old Lady street begger" could be an illegal Begger

[@charliepetang]

The BBC and and the cops, what a nightmare!

[@russellfisher8931]

What a dystopian nightmare! - would hate to live in such a country.

[@gordonadamson5854]

When did the police ever do anything with consent?

[@Pigeon946]

Just another way that the police can abuse their powers.

[@ricobanksthegoldbanker9123]

1:09 he claims a reason for arrest is a person not given their name. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Police codes and practice clearly states 4.3A there is NO power to DETAIN the person to establish his name. If the person’s name cannot be established, a description of the person should be included on the record of the search. The only time you have to give the police your private personal details is if you are driving or under arrest.

[@rayturner7855]

Amen they keep trying if this gose on any more there will be a riot

[@akmedia8206]

Rico Banks The Gold Banker exactly

[@techzonetzuk]

Read PACE code G 😂....

[@jt-bg6ey]

yo dont have to stop and talk to no police unless they state you are being detained for a actual offence. it is also not a offence to refuse details you can not be arrested for refusing details

[@shafishafique6412]

Good job by introducing technology in Policing but my question is... Who's going to deal with the curroption and curropt men/women in uniform???

[@andynic421]

They have had this technology for years. It’s called the lantern since November 2006 Image to follow

[@stanleymurphy6780]

Mobile biometrics SS Gestapo team. What a disgrace.

[@sahmedt9]

10 cops stopping one guy. But only one cop has the device.... Msybe they need less cops and more devices

[@afreeman1980]

I didn't realise that the police can arrest you for being on the street but not identified. 1.10 Try that one with me and see what the result will be.

[@mm-cv9bn]

Cops could do this on a mobile phone,don’t let them kid you that they cost millions.

[@rayturner7855]

100% illegal if you dont have to id you do not have to give your finger print

[@jaycc2704]

Might work on pen and paper but most pro's use artificial fingerprint made from silicone.

[@QT480uk]

This is basically the modern Section 50 Police Reform Act 2002

[@1973tinytim]

Not long before we all finger printed. And recorded and kept on file

[@westcoast20007]

Err i burnt mine anyway

[@MatthewGanley]

what happens if your finger paint not on the database

[@newage3]

This is going way too far now, I was under the impression that as a member of the public I had the right to some privacy, As far as I`m aware a police officer can only ask for your name and details if he "Reasonably suspects you have COMMITTED a crime" or "Reasonably suspects you are ABOUT to commit a crime", it is not permitted to just randomly question someone and ask for details and then when NO details are given take this as intent or suspicious behaviour, As far as I`m aware it is still not the law in the UK that you have to carry ID papers with you (except when driving a motor vehicle) - The Met police and the other forces where this has been tested don`t have the best of records - I see this being abused.

[@antongaming8971]

Grooming everyone for final phase: Mandatory Micro-Chipping.

[@humblehuman4978]

So technically they can only use this on mostly non British people because they haven’t got finger print data for whole nation. I didn’t see any white hand get put on the machine either

[@Mr-Noot]

This is bs cos they can just say that they don’t believe your name and take a fingerprint

[@AnitaJobby]

If you haven't done anything wrong, you shouldn't be worried by this device. Surely to God.

[@DDougz]

Criminals can just sand off their finger prints

[@akmedia8206]

DDougz which is extremely painful

[@Fergiiiiiiiii]

Haha yeah because anyone in there right mind would never put their finger on that.

[@ThamesValley999]

what if you wear gloves

[@spartan4980]

Oh dear, this is definitely going to upset certain communities

[@rickk1847]

They should have this everywhere

[@nathanhoward5189]

Everyone slowly becomes trackable by even more methods how is this a positive? Police state

[@pcadamtaylor4262]

Nathan Howard exactly 👍

[@rickk1847]

Mario get a life. Maybe a green mushroom may help

[@rickk1847]

Mario done already mate got nothing to hide

[@bugsy89]

So you want me to put my finger on a device that you use on homeless beggers? I don't think so.

[@ProfessorGlasgow]

The first guy gets a fine for no insurance second gets mopped seized

[@thomasmatthewson8967]

1:01 School traffic light systems be like:

[@abcxyz4176]

Sgt Dave NICHOLAS 'give the person the right sort of help 'you lot aren't interested in that .

[@thepredators1111]

You will have to suspect me of commiting a crime before you get my prints

[@dellbank7696]

This Strange pigs&blanket advert thought that was for Sainsbury’s type adverts

[@carlantoniogeneroso9912]

Inspired by xinjiang👍

[@DMWBN3]

Subject to you actually being accused of a crime or suspected. Otherwise you do not have to give any information.

[@SUPAWAVE4LIFE]

lmao what's joke like the police have ethics 🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow what a bunch of..

[@duicenasty1078]

So a reason for an arrest is not knowing a persons name and address. I think he is wrong. You do not have to give the police any information, Only once you have been arrested you have to give your name. Don't talk to the police unless you need help yourself.