This Golf Groove Sharpener Worked WAY BETTER Than We Thought! ...

Hey Guys, as golfers we know the importance of Grooves on golf clubs. Now over time the grooves get worn down from striking the ball, and can get filled with debris. In todays video we are going to sharpen up the grooves to see how these groove sharpeners perform. I have the $10 Hifrom Groove Sharpener, $20 Groove Dr. Groove Sharpener, and the $79 Groovex Groove Sharpener to see if price really matters, and see if having sharpened grooves really does make a difference in the performance of the golf club.
1️⃣ Groovex Groove Sharpener - geni.us/Groovex
2️⃣ Groove Dr. Groove Sharpener - geni.us/GrooveDr
3️⃣ HiFrom Groove Sharpener - geni.us/HiFrom
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[@davidsmith812]

you should have cleaned the clubs first so that the 'debris' that comes off the club face would be just the shavings and not a different amount of dirt for one club vs the other.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Yeah you are right! I will do that next time. Have you sharpened your clubs before?

[@davidsmith812]

@@GolfersAuthority I have.

[@Mean-Mr-Mustard]

My thoughts exactly. Also a little more scientific method approach. Should be same 3 clubs as well (i understand thatbmight be cost prohibitive), because you're probably bound to get less improvement on the PW as it is already high spin. Great vid tho, thank you much!

[@Scoobydude3]

Any golfer that understands the importance of accuracy and spin plays with a clean club face.

[@ryanu3708]

What has the estimated value of the simulator got to do with anything..

[@bpapadamou]

The accuracy and quality of the simulator I’m guessing.

[@gerardoflores7459]

😂came here to say the same thing

[@Phantaam]

Usually the more money the more accurate and precise the readings are

[@Ty_N_KC]

Still misread a ball!! 😂

[@Aaron-MichaelEller]

I picked up the GrooVex because it’s not a sharpener, it’s for groove restoration. This restores or modifies the grooves to the max legal limit. The tool will stay true to form because it’s made from solid carbide. The edges won’t wear down like other steel tools so you don’t have to worry about taking too much off. Just run it through a few times and the groove is restored back to form.

[@ferfromla]

I own the cheapo and it works great. No one at the course has ever checked the grooves on my clubs so I worry not.

[@russellkempe3231]

I would recommend the HIFROM Groove Sharpener. I have this one and I only use it on my 56* SW. I also learned a trick from KZbin and you can try this as well. If your LW or SW are rusted, you can soak them overnight in a tupperware vat of Coke a Cola and that will remove most of the rust. Spray the club face with WD40, then apply the sharpener. You will get results.

[@scottkefalas8406]

Very cool comparison. I would probably opt for the $20 unit since us hackers will never play in the level of tournament where our grooves will be inspected or questioned for conformity.

[@GolfersAuthority]

I like the handle on it that is for sure. Yeah I think there is a model for really any player. Just depends on what you as a player care about. The cool thing is that it does work

[@jsweat67]

Interesting results. I will never be in a tournament where I expect me wedges to be inspected for depth and as bad as I am I don't think the sharpner would give me much of an advantage, but if I did get one I would probably opt for Groove Doctor.

[@blueshield11754]

Nice video... 2 years old now but some feedback. I just made the purchase here and decided on the cheapest one you reviewed against the GrooveX... Just cost... Decided on not paying the price of a used wedge to sharpen the grooves on my old wedges!! 😊 ... One thing I did at the conclusions was work out the % improvement and these were cheapest 11.5%, second cheapest 11% and GrooveX 7%. I think the conformity issue is a factor, but you are actually trying to get back some performance on degraded clubs which are putting you at a disadvantage in the first place. I'd say buy a value product but don't go crazy when using it.

[@2309119]

Thank u for this! I'm looking for new wedges, but gonna try resharpening my current set for now, this really helps me deciding what tool to get, Mahalo's!🤙

[@GolfersAuthority]

It really does work and it will surprise you as to how dull the grooves are. Let me know if you see a difference

[@stevedietrich8936]

You should have done your test AFTER cleaning the grooves thoroughly with soap, water, and a brush. That way any performance gains would be from sharpened grooves only. What you are measuring in your test is how much difference sharpening AND CLEANING the grooves makes. It's certainly possible that just simply cleaning the dirt out of the grooves with a wet towel could have given you the same boost in performance.

[@mattschnure7176]

Thought this immediately. These results could be way off

[@daltontallman8721]

I bought the star groove sharpener. And My Word!!!! Spin rate went through the roof. Whether or not they are legal now. I'll found out when I make the PGA

[@charlesbond4413]

I concur. Three tests, as is, cleaned with detergent and brush, then grooves sharpened. My take, a good cleaning makes a difference for my clubs. I’ve only sharpened my grooves on my pitching wedge once. Made no difference with a cheap stimulator and ball tracker.

[@tometsler1600]

This test is flawed big time.. the clubs grooves should have been cleaned before the initial test. There is now way of knowing how much increase of spin was due to cleaning and how much to sharpening.

[@leepaulson8437]

Could not agree more. If the baseline tests of spin results were taken with dirty club faces none of those results should be considered. Also, why not show the change in spin after sharpening with each tool individually? Appears all three tools were used on each club which tells us what...?

[@davidwebb9752]

I know you probably don’t have access to it, but I would love to see a before and after on a microscopic level. Not conforming measurements but rather just a zoomed in picture of the surface of the grooves. Thanks for the info. If I can get one or two more years outta my clubs I’m all for it!

[@OL-Tom]

Would have liked to see testing after just cleaning and before sharpening

[@chrispaul1117]

Thx for the vid.. I bought and used the cheap one. Its an art not a science with the cheap one I scrubbed the head real good first.

[@Listman11]

Whenever I play with my buddies, we do a club check to make sure they all conform. We also ask what the course record is.

[@majscrap2629]

every time/ No you don't.

[@brianhensel21]

Lol

[@danburch9989]

No you don't. That would require you to send your clubs to a lab and receive a letter of conformance. At time goes on, club faces wear and can become non-comforming. However, normal wear and tear does not change it from conforming to non-conforming (Rule 4) It's when the golfer does the changes that can make a club non-conforming.

[@stevenquinn8317]

@@danburch9989I think he is joking mate

[@danburch9989]

@@stevenquinn8317 I agree. He's full of 💩

[@KentMangiamele]

Need to know what material the sharpener is? I'm looking for carbide.

[@philrob156]

If your not worried about conforming dremels if your carful work pretty well. Realy helped my 20yr old wedge

[@alphung]

I personally use the $10 one. Thanks for the comparison

[@GolfersAuthority]

What do you think of it? Has it helped you?

[@alphung]

@@GolfersAuthority haven’t tested in front of a simulator to get specs but I did notice my ball have a bit more spin.

[@docbroc1]

6844 yards for a pitching wedge is pretty impressive...

[@MattRNDM]

when you were explaining the pitching wedge before spin you said 6844 YARDS you are a god hitting that far :P Great Video very informative going to give one of these a shot before i grab new wedges

[@GolfersAuthority]

Lol, I know right I saw that too after I posted it and was like whoops. Yeah seriously sharpen the wedges it works

[@mgf503]

Yep, the yards metric was distracting initially, as was the not cleaning the blade before the sharpening... But love the video for its intention and ultimately be very informational. For me, I have bought fantastic second hand wedges over the years and just sharpened them:) so I feel vindicated and smug today. Thanks for the vids

[@themindsojourner]

OMG. Real Golfer always clean their club head and grip after playing.

[@Belbivdevoe]

GBI is watching this video to make sure you didn't do anything illegal

[@UntelligentMatt]

I have a couple of those blue ones, I highly recommend wearing gloves because they can certainly slip and it's sharp AF.

[@psoulati1]

Interesting tests, but we don't know if all your clubs are used the same and in the same terrain. You did say that you use your wedge the most, so I would assume that its grooves would be the most worn. So comparing the amount of "Dirt" and shavings would be different inherently. Interesting test on the sim

[@donovanniels1149]

Lol, I use the cheap one, works great!

[@lowerider4614]

Just came across your video and to be honest I love the painting of Arnie with the cigarette behind you

[@andrewfisher457]

Your longer iron will naturally have less wear then a shorter, would affect results in a negative way for the tool tested on a lower wear as to having a relatable performance to the tool that had to do the most work on the shorter iron, or am I missing something?

[@fergusfitzgerald977]

It's a pity the club manufacturers don't offer this service ? The useful effective life span of wedges is crazy - wasn't aware it was so low !😦

[@Drycleanerguy]

I have a Groovex. You didn't mention it's single biggest advantages over the others. Being made of high grade steel, it will stay sharp much longer. With the others, you might sharpen a club or two, only to find the tool dull. You also didn't mention the Groovex's biggest disadvantage, that being the fact that it has no handle. If you are doing your full iron set, your fingers get very tired of holding that tiny steel rod.

[@TeddyCavachon]

When PING EYE 2 clubs were first marketed in 1982, replacing the EYE model introduced in the 1960s, the sharp edges of the cast grooves tore-up the covers of the Balata balls so much PING milled the sharp edges off the castings. That caused USGA to say they were non-conforming because the grooves, measured edge-to-edge were too close together. The PGA also banned the PING EYE 2 from completion. PING sued the USGA and PGA claiming their measurement method was flawed and that the correct way to measure groove spacing was from center-to-center not edge-to-edge. It won the case, got financial settlements and an exemption for PING EYE 2s from any future groove regulations. That is why in 2011 when the USGA - upset at winning scores being 20+ under par - changed the groove rules prevent the pros from just lobbing shots past the hole and spinning them back to the hole. After the 2011 groove change some pros like Phil Mickelson who played PING EYE2 in college and Padrig Harrington put PING EYE2 61° Lob wedges in their bags. There was so much demand PING reissued the PING EYE 2 LW as the PING EYE 2 LG. In 2011 I had just found a 3i to SW set of PING EYE2 at a thrift store for $60. The PW is 50° and SW 57°. I bought a second 50° PW for $20 and one of EYE2 LW (which cost me $120!) and took them to a shop and had them gapped to PW1 = 50°, PW2 = 53°, SW = 56° and LW = 60° and played with them until earlier this year when I found a set Mizuno TZoid SG irons and wedges for $120 😊

[@tms299]

Need to compared those numbers to a new club with sane loft to see how close to new club numbers you get to after sharpening.

[@GolfersAuthority]

That is a great idea! Have you sharpened your clubs before, what results have you had?

[@tms299]

@@GolfersAuthority going to sharpen mine this weekend for the first time.

[@dk9237]

Did you measure spin in yards? I’m confused.

[@boomsoon86]

Don't waste your money on an $80 dollar "sharpener" it's seriously not worth it. It cost the company $1.85 to make that Groovex. You're just giving someone else a Ferrari...

[@GolfersAuthority]

What Groove Sharpener have you used and would recommend?

[@timmitchell4573]

Going to have to get one of these and try it.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Do you already own a goove sharpner?

[@timmitchell4573]

@@GolfersAuthority Not yet but I have been looking at them

[@Poorzgolf]

Why is the cost of the simulator thrown in? Is it an attempt at a flex? Odd

[@sonicsega1699]

by the time i get "tour level", i will have brand new clubs anyway. so i don't care for legality when it comes to using clubs that are all ready 5+yrs old. i totally recommend saving your clubs and take care of them. keep in mind guys, we don't have sponsorships with the manufacturers to just give us new sets every year. we actually need to take care of them unlike the pros who just toss them in the trash after each round.

[@GolfersAuthority]

So true! What sharpener do you use?

[@brianwest1501]

Good stuff. I have guys I play with that never clean the caked on dirt on their clubs. So stupid.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Have you used a groove sharpener before? If so what kind?

[@IIISWILIII]

They probably complain about their balls not checking up on the green, don't they? 😑

[@davidbarnard1409]

Great video ------- the whole spin thing with wedges is just one big marketing ploy. Here's why --- if you looking for check on the greens , the spin rate which the ball has matters when it HITS THE GREEN , not when it LEAVES THE CLUB FACE. Wind dynamics and fluid dynamics works the same, that means the square law of fluid dynamics applies to any golf ball that experience wind resistance. So a golf ball which spins more will experience higher wind resistance than one that spins less. That means that the spin rate of a higher spinning ball will drop faster than the spin rate of a lower spinning ball when it leaves the club face. To clarify I'll drop an example so you understand what I mean : New Vokey 52 degree - Spin Rate when it leaves the face - 8500rpm.... Spin rate when it hits the green 600rpm 2 Year old 52 degree Vokey - Spin rate when it leaves the face - 7500rpm .... Spin rate when it hits the green 540rpm. So that perception consumers have is that when they hit a new wedge they gain 1000 RPM. When in fact they really only gain 60rpm which is 1 revolution per second. The primary , most important thing to any wedge shot and how it behaves on the green is the initial landing spot , followed by the grass conditions of the green which may or may not encourage backspin. In a nutshell - the groove thing is largely meaningless

[@alanduncan9204]

Thanks, I wondered about this. The first player I ever saw making a ball spin back was Greg Norman. I think he did this to his detriment actually. I play off 8 and the best I can do is make a ball stop dead. I have never spun a ball back like a YoYo on a string. Brand new wedges I find just cut the ball up and give no advantage. Worn grooves work fine for me.

[@emilgabl9069]

Dumb

[@davidbarnard1409]

@emilgabl9069 I'm a 0.2 handicap... And you?

[@sonofsalmon56]

I’m assuming this is your first time doing this? The wedge will always produce the most shavings because it has the most nicks and dings on the grooves because it’s used more.

[@tomassrbinovski815]

Great comparison video 👍

[@GolfersAuthority]

Thank you!

[@gregnichols663]

Golf does not have to be “a really expensive sport”. Sure, it isn’t soccer, but there are plenty of affordable muni courses, amazing deals on used clubs, etc… and no matter your prices range, golf people are amazingly cool 95% of the time, and value per hour, it is pretty good. As for grooves, probably matters a bit for wedges (ideally you should be able to grate cheese with that 48 degree wedge), but i’m going to guess that for most of us, the problem with our game isn’t the amount of spin on our 7 iron

[@curtisjoe24]

I want to see a test if you sharpen a brand new club. Will it gain any performance?

[@majscrap2629]

No, i used one. Nothing.

[@runnerjohn]

The cheapest one had the biggest increase percentage-wise of the 3 so you could argue it was the most effective.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Yeah, but I was just concerned that I might have over sharpened the club. Do you use a grove sharpener? If so which one?

[@runnerjohn]

@@GolfersAuthority I do not use a groove sharpener, yet. I just replaced old wedges with new ones this Fall.

[@sherwiny89]

You should have washed the irons before sharpening. This way, only metal shavings will show.

[@mkaz411]

I'd be interested in knowing the damage done to the golf balls by each of the sharpeners.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Yeah, looking back I should have done that. DO you have a groove sharpener?

[@skoronesa1]

The 20$ Groove Doctor is USGA Compliant and also has a Tungsten Carbide bit. To say the GrooveX is worth the extra money makes me think this is a paid Advertisement for them. Now let's talk about that testing methodology..... I think a Part 2 video is in order.

[@runnerjohn]

Nice alternative to buying new wedges every few years.

[@roncarlton1882]

To me the $80 cost for a groove sharpener is too much to spend. A decent brand of wedge theses days is about $170 so that is 50% of the cost of a new wedge. Sure I can clean up several wedges with the tool but I’d rather get a new wedge as I play two to three times a week. I do like the fact the the costlier tool maintains the proper depth etc. for conformity.

[@philrob156]

Calling ball spin yards instead of rpm

[@maxspringfield]

Can I get a tutorial on how to make my clubs as illegal as possible?

[@kevinmontgomery1054]

You said it "These are groove sharpeners not cleaners." You should have cleaned the clubs before sharpening so all we saw was metal shavings from sharpening. Also, if the point of sharpening the grooves is to regain lost spin from wear why do you say the GrooveX was best when it restored the least amount of spin? You could have saved $70 and got more spin back. But here's the real key. Every blog about groove sharpening warns of the risk of making your clubs illegal. How does one know? I'm sure measuring groove edge angles and depth requires pretty specific (and pricey) equipment. And I bet zero of my local golf courses or club outlets have that equipment in the back room. I'm not advocating cheating. My perspective is: if my grooves could be 8 sharper and I only sharpen 4 sharper then I've missed out on half the potential benefit.

[@northernlite3368]

The spin rate is NOT expressed in ''YARDS'' but in rpm (Revolutions per minute) You are saying yards for the spin rate. - Have you ever hit a 6284 yds shot with a PW ? Re edit plaese this is ridiculous !

[@patricksweeney5244]

I lost it when he said yards instead of rpm 🧐

[@pop2522]

10% boost in spin

[@JordanNiks]

Why is it a huge plus to have conforming grooves? Any golfer good enough to be checked has sponsorships that give them new clubs after every shot. Everyone else can stay out of tolerance 4 life without consequence😂

[@kentbrown3736]

If you get more spin you decrease distance. Let's say that again. If we increase spin rate. The carry distance will always decrease. Sorry. That's just physics.

[@squidly2112]

Worried about non-conforming grooves, but doesn't play on tour .. LOL .. like I'm really worried about non-conforming grooves. And no, I'm not worried about my tournament opponents having non-conforming grooves either, they are nothing but amateurs too. I am doubting very much that you will gain any strokes by a difference of conforming vs. non-conforming grooves. A professional PGA player "might" gain a stroke or two, maybe, but an amateur? .. no way. Having clean and sharp grooves can make a bit of a difference, but the subtle difference between a "conforming" and "non-conforming" groove .. 99.99999999% of all amateur players wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

[@richardramon2175]

Is it legal to sharpen the grooves on golf clubs?

[@CB-nd9ki]

I wouldn't say using spin difference is a good reason. The percent of change might be better 7--11% increase 9--10.9% increase P--7% increase However, swing speeds are different for each of these clubs because of weight and length of shaft changes. I think the biggest thing here is that there is an increase in spin as a result of regrooving.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Good point!

[@norcoauctions]

have you ever broke 80?

[@jsprechs7847]

Lol groovex is literally just ground carbide. Plus or minus 0.001" (a thou) is #1 not an "aerospace" spec, it's and everything spec. Your car was parts with tigher tolerances. #2 it's ground carbide, they should be able to hit plus or minus 0.0005" all day. It's marketing fluff, nithing else.

[@frankymr2]

Why not wash the clubs with a brush and then do the sharpening. The dirt inside does not help with the sharpening

[@johnb978]

Call/email PXG and give them the serial #~ they’ll tell you if it’s a V, U, box, etc. then you don’t have to guess.

[@jsprechs7847]

How much was that $50k simulator again?

[@malcolmclark7182]

50k

[@NoSlowFlow]

Makes no sense. Groving doesn't increase your spin in optimal conditions like a similultator mat; in fact a smooth club would generate more spin due to increase surface area. The grooves in a club are to to displace longer grass, dirt and debris which we find in sand traps or the rough thus giving the more club surface to connect with the ball.

[@kccodex8931]

He just proved it increases the spin rate...whatchoo talking about Willis?

[@chrispaul1117]

agree, same question

[@riellymorton]

6844 yds of spin? No way! Haha

[@DanWessonSpecialist]

Clean clubs, add oil to iron, and then use the cheap tool. Show at events who is checking non conforming grooves. Doesn’t happen.

[@sourpatch_king]

Did you know his simulator cost $50,000v

[@jackcarter233]

I want the one guaranteed to make my clubs illegal

[@majscrap2629]

I have one. Sorry, no, they don't work. I use a $50k simulator too, don't you? 1: The proof is distance. FAIL! 2: spin (accuracy?) EH!. 3: how many casual golfers compete other than playing skins or best ball? I have watched similar vids, and the universal result is a shrug.

[@seongwonchoi]

RTFM Face Plam

[@MikeMalkowski]

Spin isn't measured in yards 😂

[@billpeterson178]

spit and a 49 cent small wire brush.

[@jasonphillip1966]

Less on simulator more on lessons…..

[@JKerr-iy2jr]

You don’t wash all of your clubs beforehand? Sorry, but that makes no sense to me.

[@baldjohnsokolowski2371]

You really should be using a lubricant oil.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Which one do you recommend ?

[@Mr.Steve-O]

@@GolfersAuthority WD-40 works well

[@malcolmclark7182]

That's what she said!

[@MAC-ws8fz]

Most annoying is the fake music!

[@zacharymarkell2584]

What a joke of a review🙄 worst one I’ve seen in a while

[@georgefettersjr.2238]

So, $80. But it saves having to spend $1500 or so on a set of new irons, at least for a year or two. Increase of about 10% in rpm? Better than nothing.

[@GolfersAuthority]

Yeah I totally agree. Do you have a groove sharpener? If so which one?

[@Whitewolf76802]

Anybody that goes around with their clubs that manky, will hardly be worried obout their grooves, or spin.

[@Mobev1]

I use lead tape because it works.

[@Mobev1]

Your swing steepens on the way back

[@Mobev1]

Who talks about dirty clubs?

[@ahmadal-sabbagh1887]

Fantastic!! I am trying to contact GrooVexGolf, can you please share there contact details with me? thank so much

[@Gamecocks101]

Your average sping was 5,398 yards?? HOLY FUCK! WHAT A SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao