This Gun Aint Worth A Crap | Springfield Echelon Review

[@michaelbrohl1625]

Honest Outlaw beat the crap out of his and it was extremely tough and reliable.

[@taylorcurtis9063]

The echelon I have has probably 5k rounds through it and it’s been 100% reliable. Y’all are the first I’ve seen have any trouble from one besides the magazine extensions but that’s because of incorrect installation

[@RedDawnReadiness]

It seems when he was doing those drills it was 1 bullet in the magazine in the gun and 1 bullet in the holstered magazine… just a thought but it could have been slamming home the mag with 1 bullet either off set the bullet or the 1 bullet sliding forward a little if it’s the smaller 9mms enough that it’s forward in the mag and not in the normal place and shifted forward enough to cause a small issue with seating.. I would be shocked if the mag he went to in the mag change had more rounds or the bigger size 9mm that it would happen… but maybe he’s conserving ammo lol… lastly whenever someone does a video showing a malfunction and has no clue why it is happening… we’ll mostly it’s a user error other wise anyone with sufficient gun knowledge would understand why it’s occurring and then also try a few different methods to incur the same malfunction… it seems to happen the same way everytime which would indicate it was the user or ammo (size) or in a 1 round mag change which nobody would ever do unless you have no ammo Lastly if you use a magazine as intended and understand how things work you would be able to avoid what you just saw

[@eatdafat7101]

I have a new Glock 30s with the same type of issue. It’s going back to Glock.

[@kennethcook3127]

I was about to say the exact same thing

[@fiditenemini2452]

​@AverageGIJoeOutdoors i can't find anything else besides magazine extension issue?

[@jflan8536]

I don't have nearly 5k through mine but I am at about 1500 with zero issues or cleanings.

[@jamesgoodman5643]

I have that gun and it works flawlessly. I don’t know how you manage to have so many problems.

[@marklindner383]

It's because he if slamming the magazines and expecting that to be a correct reloading method, it is not. This is why smith and Wesson redesigned the slide stop on their M&P 2.0 series.

[@theccwdad]

I think the Manufacturing of that new design just isn't quite there yet. Still a pretty new gun being tested on the public basically. I think they will iron it out at Springfield. The prodigy has gotten a lot better it seems out of the box.

[@TkToKe]

I second this, I've owned my for 3 months now, 800+ rounds, no malfunctions or issues.

[@paultoth7853]

​@marklindner383 so you are suggesting a duty gun that might be used in a life and death situation should only be handled very delicately?

[@watchyoutube9553]

@@paultoth7853here we go…..SLAMMING A MAG IN A GUN CAN CAUSE DAMGE…simple sertain platforms are definitely more sensitive but it’s ignorant to slam mags into guns doing more harm than good just how it is

[@308c]

I'll take that Echelon off your hands.

[@harryrichards693]

I know right! maybe user error. oh I get it he is a Glock fan boy!

[@mustanggun]

I’ve owned my Echelon for 3 months. I ve run 1000ish rounds and three 3 hour serious training sessions, and never had your problems or any problems. Sorry you have issues. I love mine. And I’m a Glock fanboy.

[@kendallwheeler4050]

I've ran the hell out of mine . Not one problem

[@woodystube1000]

Same here. Bout 1500 rds to date, zero malfunctions.

[@igorkeser9716]

Something is wrong with this review. Very wrong. Echelon does not have hickups like this, just does not. I have mine for a few months, I have put at least 2k rounds through it, changed mags, using slide release, using racking, and not a single malfunction like this. I bet you did not seat the mag properly. You can’t putting the mag in the pistol while it’s in your holster.

[@Zenden1ST]

Thanks for your opinion dude I am planning on getting this version but threaded for my moms first gun as a happy belated mother's day gift, I have heard many good reviews but it's the bad ones that spoil the bunch, I'm new to guns so I'm not sure if threaded echelon offers the option of adding a muzzle break or compensator since the gun barrel can have stuff screwed onto it?

[@aaronlakanen4041]

I have several hundred rounds through mine and have experienced none of the issues you are referring to.

[@randallreece3636]

it's mag related. Installation error.

[@David_S_ST5]

I’ve seen at least 100 reviews about the Echelon and the only problem that most have been magazine related, and more specifically that 20 round falling apart due to the base plate being assembled incorrectly. This is the first time I have seen this issue. Interesting. Mine has been 100% so far. Will have to research further.

[@manolocabasal691]

Literally the only guy on KZbin with a negative review of an Echelon.

[@justinhuddleston2303]

For some reason, the 20 rd mags were sent out with the base plates installed incorrectly. That is a qc issue that springfield needs to fix. After the mag is fixed, the echelon is head and shoulders better than any factory glock.

[@Winchester360]

I’m surprised to see the issues with the Echelon. I have one and I’ve never experienced any issues but I can understand how someone could feel that way if they had issues like that.

[@Prez_Jah]

I have one as well never had a problem.

[@watchyoutube9553]

Me either The funny thing is if they didn’t have good customer service and warranty(prodigy shows that) folks will trip bout that…yea when u buy something u want it working but it’s a man made item in its first run just send it back free of cost or cry about it n let it collect dust or listen to joe down the roads home remedies and void the warranty 🤷🏾‍♂️ it’s important for them to get the data from fixing to help make them right and fix returns faster

[@brandonlyon8549]

I have one with issues sent in for warranty. They didn’t fix it now can’t get them to respond to me.

[@Lonepatriot69]

BS

[@ericsimons4976]

Probably one of the best comments I've seen. I agree, in his case, I wouldn't trust my life to it. I ordered an Echelon today so we'll see how it runs. If I have issues it will find a new home.

[@notmedicman]

I have put a lot of rounds through my echelon. Many drills and never a problem. I know several people that had this pistol before I bought mine. I’ve never heard of any of them having problems. One guy has around 5000 rounds through his as an instructor. He said it is the most reliable gun he has ever owned. Not dismissing your issues. I’ve seen berettas, czs, fns, glocks, and others that wouldn’t shoot brand new out of the box. They all have issues from time to time. That’s why you always test them.

[@warweaponx6629]

It’s a piece of shit that cannot be trusted as anything more than a range toy

[@remar-6]

I own one and am 600 rounds in about 2 months time I’ve had zero issues.

[@Asidebar]

Echelon is a wonderful pistol. I have one and it's been excellent. It has the best sights and best grip of any pistol.

[@sandracrandall4561]

I'm in my 79's, woman & I just Love this channel. I've learned so much! Been shooting for yrs but never satisfied that I know enough. Great presentation 👍🇺🇲

[@sandracrandall4561]

LOL🤣. Not as old as I posted...60's NOT 79's....I have tears running down my legs!!!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@3.eyes.open.]

The nose dive first round is because he is jamming it in there super hard, that causes the magazine to over insert and what happens is that first round literally slams into your ejector and smashes the round down nose first into the magazine then he drops the slide and boom malfunction, watch careful when he doesn't slam it home like a crayon eating marine it works great, this is a people problem not a gun malfunction problem some people are too ignorant to get out of their own way

[@MrWhiskeyShits]

You, sir, have it correct. The issue becomes exacerbated with longer OAL rounds, like 124gr and especially 147gr. I have 3k in my Echelon and actually did notice this issue after it was very dirty and I was banking on the slide slamming home upon a firm mag insertion. I have personally seen this happen with a couple of Glocks too.

[@3.eyes.open.]

It's also hilariously ironic that the best friend of a navy seal doesn't know this, I'm honestly baffled by this but oh well

[@cyma-zw2tt]

A carry or duty pistol should not have weak points like that

[@watchyoutube9553]

@@cyma-zw2ttwhen it clicks it’s seated what’s the point of slamming it? U trying to lift the damn slide off the gun? Gun not gone fail so had to do ignorant tactics to cause issues

[@cyma-zw2tt]

@@watchyoutube9553 I don’t slam it. But u might, for whatever reason, be in a situation where your adrenaline is high and you slam the mag in while reloading. Boom malfunction. Never had this problem with a Glock or Canik

[@JohnDoe-gv3ld]

I have the echelon also. Yes the mag has some issues but I haven’t had any hangups like this video demonstration. Overall, i am pleased with it. Put over 1k rounds through and no problems while operating. The mag though, before operation did have that hang up but i think its the spring inside for sure. Going to order new mags from the mag shack and see if that works?

[@m.garcia2353]

This is the first video I've seen with so many malfunctions. Great review. I have 500+ rounds out of my Echelon with no issues. Keep it up y'all.

[@peterbrosseau4458]

They were forced failures operator error intentionally induced

[@puzer1]

@@peterbrosseau4458 lol...ok...

[@m.garcia2353]

Watching this has me intrigued. I pulled my Echelon out and wanted to replicate this issue. What I found is if you have the slide back as chili did and inserted the magazine with normal force it wouldn't chamber a round. When I inserted the magazine with a little force it would chamber a round every time. Could it be that during the mag change he's not inserting it with enough force to click/chamber a round? When you "slap" the mag in with force it is chambered every time.

[@BrianMichaelP]

The slide pulls to chamber looked a little bit like half assing it. I would work on breaking it in a little bit before leveling a verdict. Especially if it's something you're going to carry.

[@michaelbox4330]

@@BrianMichaelP I came here to ask if he broke the pistol in before doing a review video... I dont think he did!

[@TeeWill94]

he making this up my echelon runs flawlessly out the box the only youtuber saying it’s bad it was a mag extension that people installed wrong that issue has been fixed don’t slam a company for clickbait springfield is amazing

[@johnganshow5536]

I have the echelon and have had zero problems...

[@TheTurdballs420]

Would the relax fit jeans make my butt look good? I need something that will take attention away from my beer belly

[@mike34744]

My Echelon is 100%. I love it. Almost sold it just because I have so many Glocks and Sigs, but holding it thus feel is so good.

[@marklindner383]

I would keep your echelon, EVERY other reviewer says it is a good gun and has had no issues with the operation of the pistol. Look at honest outlaw reviews as an example. This kid just does not know how to reload and it shows. Just because you can slam a magazine into the weapon and the slide closes does not mean it was designed to be utilized as such.

[@unitedwestanddividedwefall3521]

So many Glocks and Sigs? Sell some of the extra guns good sir. Echelon is great. It’s modular so that’s a plus.

[@Zenden1ST]

@@marklindner383 is the new m17 and m18 made to be slamfired?

[@timhunt5371]

That’s crazy. I literally just bought one and just got back from the range and put 200 rounds through it and didn’t have one malfunction. I’m a Glock fan but thought I’d try something else for a change. I like the gun pretty well but it would never replace my Glock.

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

the first few thousand magazines that came out had a abnormally thick anodizing that hung up the nose of the rounds. springfield has since solved the issue. have north of 8k rounds through my echelon with no hicups. its been a solid pistol. also, if i close my eyes and listen to the video, i couldnt tell it wasnt chads voice!

[@MrWhiskeyShits]

I couldn't find anything online about this. Did customer service tell you that over the phone? I actually also had this issue on rare occasion in the first 1.2k or so rounds. It only occured when slamming mags in super vigorously. Now, north of 3k the issues cannot be replicated with any of my mags, neither with 115gr or 124gr. Even if I beat it like it owes me money. Overall love the gun. 100% a keeper. I shoot it better than my ported 34. I hope it takes off in popularity. I got the large aggressive grip module and it changed the gun entirely for me.

[@michaelnoeltner7625]

I have over 2000 rounds through my Echelon. No issues or any problems.

[@mtnman7776]

Well, it's got the best serrations of any gun he's ever "shotten"

[@turn-n-burn1421]

I don't have a ton of time behind either trigger, after all, ammo ain't free. But both my Hellcat Pro and my XDs Mod2 45 are so far trouble free.

[@marklindner383]

I have two echelon pistols, neither of which I have had an issue with reliability wise. The way you are doing reloads is you are slamming home the magazine and the slide goes forward. I am a LE firearms instructor and I guarantee that I shoot just as much as you if not more, especially with pistols. If the slide is locked to the rear and you go to reload either use the slide release/slide catch or “slingshot” the slide by pulling back on it and releasing. If you are having issues when you begin using a proper reloading technique then contact Springfield and get the issue fixed.

[@tbsoper]

How would that cause the round to feed with its nose down exactly? There already been other substantiated issues with some of the magazines. He is not operating the slide incorrectly and you can see him sling shot the slide several times even so…

[@TheVondale]

@@tbsoper you are pushing the magazine over the point it should go to try and get it to rack itself it will malfunction! when he tried to slingshot it, sorry it was weak u need to pull the slide and push the gun forward to get a full slingshot or just us the slide release.

[@tbsoper]

@@TheVondale oooooooooooookay. Bro, this comment is almost a year old.

[@Echo-nm2rx]

I’ve had sand in my mags and I’ve had no issues. The Echelon is reliable with having put thousands of rounds through it. Maybe tap your mags to make sure all rounds sit properly?? Human error??

[@izsafe1]

from watching the video, when the rounds didn't chamber, it appeared that you didn't seat the mag. Also, when racking the slide, do it with your palm down, you will get more muscle on the slide and you are able to pull it to the rear fully. Reaching over the top you don't get as much muscle on the slide and can short stroke it.

[@JorgeInRealLife]

This Echelon is one of the best guns I’ve owned. Never had any issues with mine. I tried CZ, Sig, and even HK guns and they were just crap… I picked up the echelon and I was stunned how well this gun holds up. Just as smooth as the Beretta 92 FS and just as good as the Glock 19 or Glock 17.

[@zMOTIONx]

I know I’m not hearing the CZ is just crap. Have you ever shot a pre pandemic Cz pistol?

[@puzer1]

@@zMOTIONx he's never been in the same room with a CZ, clearly...

[@rsuninv]

I absolutely love my Echelon. I have roughly 750 rounds through it. Super comfortable to shoot and zero reliability issues. I carry mine appendix. I’m 6’3”. That helps .

[@ClaytonF10]

You’ll get it right just need to brush up your battery of arms. Definitely could’ve tried using the slide release instead of half racking the slide during mag changes.

[@PD-we8vf]

Exactly.

[@appalachianpatriot1796]

Springfield has been selling range packs for some time where a case and several magazines come with a gun. I was wondering how they could justify the expense of including so many magazines but this probably gives us a clue.

[@watchyoutube9553]

…….And that was for the hellcat right and not the only ranger pack I’ve seen from a company 💀 good for both companies for looking out for ppl who can’t or just not paying 600 for a dot 300 for a light and 100 per mag when it took the company way less to make em 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@kennethcook3127]

All companies do range packs

[@SombraPiloto]

@@watchyoutube9553 Who charges $100 per mag? Sig is the worst and even they're only in the $40-$50 range. You can also get a quality dot and light for half the prices you quote.

[@James_Edward59]

You are new to firearms huh?

[@30rdmaga]

Now that im living in Ohio i carry a duty sized pistol concealed most of the winter.

[@hansblitz7770]

In Ohio also. 19 on duty. 19 off duty. Had to switch to a smaller light, but, it has a much better draw that way on both the duty holster and concealed.

[@wisco_guy]

Are you sure the malfunctions weren’t caused by operator error? The reloads looked a little janky to me. I would try just using the slide release or be smoother with the slide.

[@marklindner383]

Yep slide release or slingshot the slide. No pistol I know was intended for the magazine to be slammed into it in order to chamber a round.

[@davidwarring1572]

Look like he closed the slide at the same time he inserted the magazine, then said the gun didn't chamber the round. Of course it won't , if you do both at the same time you closed the slide before the round was ready to chamber.

[@atrtactical5808]

Hey a common problem with speed reloading is letting the slide forward befor the mag is seeted try reloading slower. Make sure the mag is fully seeted and then release the slide.

[@blazeturtle9099]

I believe the slide automatically returns upon magazine insertion, don’t have the pistol so I don’t know for sure but that most likely is still the issue. Also could be a mag/spring issue where the nose of the rounds are angled downwards causing the hang up.

[@biblicalearther2431]

I agree. The way he is used to doing his reloads was the difference, and you can be mad about that, but to make isch bold claims about the firearm off such little shooting is insane in my opinion.

[@rElliot09]

His is a sample of one, can't make any opinions about a line of guns except for that single gun. My sample of one echelon has over 1000 trouble free rounds, I'll keep going until it has issues.

[@usagrunt2484]

I left my Glocks for the Walther PDP. So far, so good.

[@hansblitz7770]

Hopefully. Parts are hard to come by.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I got a PD version 🚔 PDP Compact 9mm, 2021. 1.0 version. Excellent gun. No misfires, no feeding issues. Used JHP, +P, FMJ. The newer 2.0 version 2023 era has a different rear optic plate design.

[@randyreviewsit]

I wanted to hate mine but so far a good experience, I know mine is a sample size of 1 so good to see all the different experiences

[@officererwin1]

It's neat to see how many firearms experts there are on KZbin. He just demonstrated multiple failures with his Echelon and yet so many people have emotional attachments to theirs because it's been solid for 500 - 1000 rounds. How many have actually been through some honest to goodness firearms training where you're not punching holes in paper at 10 yards? He is a SWAT guy and firearms instructor and his brother is a decorated combat veteran Navy SEAL. They do legitimate training often 🤷‍♂️

[@clayblankenship7505]

Well, I’ve put mine through multiple firearm qualifications through law enforcement agencies, and about 3,000 rounds of solid drills much like what he’s doing and I’ve never had a problem. I’m not understanding how you can call a gun a piece of crap because of a magazine. Just get a different mag and it solves the entire issue.

[@griftinggamer]

​@@clayblankenship7505 >be cop >fire 3,000 rounds I don't beleive you.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

Nice to see so many people comment on things they have no idea on...do you own one of these guns? Have you put 5,000 rounds through?? No? Then take your own advice and don't get an emotional attachment to what people respond with ;)

[@iamTkzs]

Go watch Honest Outlaw's torture test.

[@heathmarcum5390]

That is a lot of problems, I did see the other day one issue people were having was installing a metal clip on the bottom of the mag plate, some were coming from the factory installed backwards, after fixing that issue by turning it it fixed the issues they were having

[@TNT-gun-reviews]

I have 1200 rounds through mine. I had one light strike around the 1100 round mark. Not sure if it was ammo or the gun. Other than that it's been 100% for me.

[@oseaghin]

Whoa. And M&P 2.0 10mm drops mags and produces FTFs. The industry is going to hell in a handbasket.

[@OuterHeavenTactical]

I've got an Echelon with several upgrades and 2500rds through it without so much as a hiccup

[@Summit_Moto_Utah]

Ok.. Chilli is a lot more professional than I was expecting. Great Video!! Well done.

[@markhackl375]

I acknowledge that the firearm may have had some issues. However, I observed that the operator demonstrated significant mechanical inconsistency when chambering the weapon during mag reloads. It frequently appeared as though he was short-stroking the slide, which may have contributed to the malfunction.

[@Marshal7860]

Hmmm. As a 20 year police officer. I purchased this weapon for personal carry. I have had no major issues with this weapon at the range. Its all about mechanics. How you load and how you extract the mag, like a car you have to know your motor. To each is own. I try not to get caught up in other folks' personal views. Learn your weapon. Also, it's important to know what typ of ammunition your using. Plays a important roll.

[@paultoth7853]

Do you really think it is a good idea for a mass produced firearm that could be issued to a large group of people to each have their own individual quirks so as a person needs to "know" how to run that particular firearm? This is not the starting procedure for a 1976 Chevy Vega. Ten of these pistols all laid out on a table should all function identically.

[@leesamuelson]

you mentioned aim low I know ALL Springfields are sighted to have the top of the front post splitting the bullseye at 25 yards. Top half of bullseye above the front sight post. The dot is not what you put on target. Wondered how low you had to go.

[@ghulcaster]

Another reason I’m glad I went with the Glock 19x. Groups are consistently the size of my palm. 10 shot groups. Super accurate and no stoppages or malfunctions. When I went to get some to lay it away, the salesman referred your channel, I just said “why do you think I’m here?” Haha

[@HKGunPlay]

19x is my favorite. I customized one on my channel it’s pretty dope. Great choice. I love the peanut butter.

[@naturecoastprepping2487]

Love my 19x as well..

[@ghulcaster]

@@HKGunPlayI’ll check it out!!

[@ghulcaster]

@@naturecoastprepping2487such a smooth and reliable shooter, for sure!

[@HKGunPlay]

@@ghulcaster cool thanks it’s the first video on my channel but it’s on several others as well.

[@jowpopper790]

I would think before you say a gun is unreliable and nobody should buy it, You would at least try to see if it is ammo related failures.

[@MrTaza2]

I just did 320 rounds on my new Echelon without any issues, I think you need the sop being cheap and get the Springfield mags to avoid issues by dealing with cheap stuff

[@answersfromscriptureonline]

I think the gun us probably good. I heard they were having some magazine issues.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I'd wait 12mo 16mo before I'd run out & buy this S-A. They took a few points from the well made PDP 9mm series. I bought a 🚔 format PDP with night sights. I've shot approx 1000 9mm factory 🏭 rounds. 0 flaws or problems.

[@seekingUltraNick]

Try different mags. @honestoutlaw did a great torture test of this pistol and it did just fine. Anyway, thanks for the review!

[@raclark52]

I have about 2500 rounds through mine with zero issues. Trigger is better now than at first but still not my favorite. But it’s accurate, reliable and reasonably priced at less than $500. I’m hoping they add a gray grip module option soon.

[@stinger8634]

I believe it’s magazine issues. Several others have had issues with their magazines. Has a lot to do with the base plates being installed wrong.

[@randallreece3636]

that's exactly what this is 100%

[@toddparsons2980]

Mine functions flawless. May wanna contact Springfield.

[@bruce3859]

It’s not rocket science take the 20 rounder out of the mix get a couple of 17 round magazines and continue your testing to prove to yourself. It’s just the 20 round magazines not the pistol.

[@ryanrollins2368]

Hundreds of rounds through mine and I've never seen this. My buddy hasnt seen this either

[@aarongerdts216]

Mine is fantastic... got about 700 rounds through it, zero issues

[@aarongerdts216]

Also I am fat and conceal it every day

[@justjsse8917]

Mine has a couple thousand rounds with a 507c x2 and it's worked flawlessly.

[@googlechicken]

All manufacturers have lemons but you must have gotten a rare one because the reviews have been pretty positive and I sell out of them as soon as I get them in and have not had any complaints they have very good triggers , great ergos and the optic mounting system is the best of any other that I have personally seen outside of a custom milled slide. I know they had some issues early on with the base plates coming off the mags. As I understand it that problem has been addressed. All the 1000rd reviews and “torture tests “ I’ve seen have been passed with flying colors. I have seen Glocks have bugs or outright failures on many occasions but they are still quality pistols. I’m a CZ fanboy but even they have some issues from time to time. Overall I think the Echelon is a quality pistol that has a lot of promise. We will have to see how it preforms over time.

[@dark2light263]

Confirm magazines are installed correctly. Have someone else run gun with the same magazines to rule out operator error. If another person has same problem then it's the gun and/or magazines. If another person doesn't have same problem then it was operator error. Not sure what it is but it's very strange that with all the KZbin reviews on the Echelon this is the only one I've seen with this issue. Or maybe it's just a lemon which can happen to any gun manufacturer.

[@Mariolucchetti912]

I hate to say but you should start actually racking instad of releasing the slide lock. Thats where your having your problems. That little bit from pulling back the slide makes a big difference.

[@miketbone8007]

My Echelon has been flawless so far, and it feels great, is extremely well manufactured, and very accurate.

[@mikegarza1729]

I guess the question would be is what would you tell the person who just got a Glock and they experienced the same type of malfunctions and say they can’t trust Glock ever? We tend to forget there is a break in period and these are manufactured on such a large scale that there’s bound to be something come with any brand of pistol. We need to remember that it’s personal opinion and you do what’s best for you. I’ve personally purchased pistols that had some issues out of the box and the manufacturer has taken care of it and they work phenomenal. We shouldnt make rash decisions off of ones bad experience, but understand that yes it can happen but it can be fixed.

[@watchyoutube9553]

Fixed for free by warranty!!!but folks will buy a Glock n put $600 plus n2 it 💀

[@Pro_2A_1776]

Funny every review and torture test I have seen shows it performing excellent and completely reliable.

[@Mnunnsr]

Just watched a 2000+ round review w/drops, mud, sand...not one malfunction.

[@dariuskincaid]

Definitely mag issues. 2500 rounds thru mine and no issues whatsoever.

[@harryrichards693]

Wow! I have one as well no operational issues at all. Had it a couple months and About 2000 rounds through it. Flawless. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BrianMichaelP]

They did have early QC mag issues. Just need to break it in. Take it down, clean it, oil it and try again. It's actually a great gun. A bargain of a pistol for what you get from the factory.

[@smarttfirearmsinstruction5924]

Never had any issues with mine. Your reload seems to be the issue, sounds like you’re smashing the mag into the gun. 1000 or more rounds through mine not one issue. 100 of videos on line and no one is having your issue. Seems like click bait, good title gets good views. But the issues don’t add up with the rest of the hundreds of videos and reviews.

[@jalbs9]

Springfield armory has been very supportive of Illinois gun laws. I'll never buy anything from them, regardless of how good it may be.

[@blakenoble9468]

Idk if its just the day or the gun but that pistol had your entire body moving backwards, perhaps a little bend in the elbows could help. You notice it more if you look at your back when shooting, Maybe you've never noticed it about yourself. Thought I'd point it out

[@R0mans13]

Crazy how same gun will have different problems. My Echelon seems to make a loud noise every single time I pull the trigger. 350ish rounds or so and it still makes a loud noise when I pull the trigger. It makes a loud noise every single time. GunTube Comment Keyboard Commandos please help me.

[@bigsampson585]

I owned Glock my entire life, especially because I’m in law enforcement. I heard good things about the Hellcat and Echelon from a reputable person, so I bought both especially because I loved the feel of them in my hand(s). When I took them to the range, they were some of the smoothest I’ve fired, not one hiccup. It’s unfortunate that these issues were experienced, maybe this one was a dud. Maybe give another one a shot, pun intended.

[@albertmedalla3941]

I’ll stick to my xd def sharing this with friends who drooling over it

[@poopymcface9792]

“I’ve ever shotten.” That’s a new one.

[@moseschavez6169]

Genuinely unfortunate that your unit gave you so many malfunctions. I’ve owned my Echelon for quite a few months now and I’ve put over 1,500 rounds through it with zero malfunctions across a variety of ammunition brands. I would strongly consider this firearm to anyone looking for a full size, polymer frame, striker fired, multi-use 9mm pistol. The sheer amount of modern features you get right out of the box is almost unmatched these days, I got my threaded barrel model for $579 tax free, all I had to cover was shipping. It comes with amazing sandpaper style stippling across the majority of the frame, deep slide serrations, trenches on the back of the slide and near the extractor for easy slide racking/press checks. The trigger is phenomenal too for being OEM, with a crisp break and quick reset. But the variable optic system is my favorite feature, lets you mount over 30 optic styles without the need for adapter plates. Along with all of those built-in features, you get 2 additional back straps for the handle, one 17 round magazine, one 20 round magazine, plus a plate conversion so you can turn your 17 round magazine into a second 20 round magazine. Aside from the sheer amount of features you get out of the box, the performance of gun in my opinion is second only to the Prodigy or a Glock. My grouping at 10-15 yards was less than an inch apart across 6 shots, and my grouping at 25-30 yards was less than 3 inches apart across 6 shots as well, mind you, with a red dot. On top of all that, I was able to fully modify the pistol with a compensator, rail light, and red dot while keeping the total under $1,000, which includes the price of the gun. This is without a doubt one of the best handguns on the market right now and packs a punch for your money, so I seriously hope your single bad experience doesn’t deter folks from considering it.

[@moseschavez6169]

Coming back to my own comment after watching a few more “recent” review videos on the Echelon and 99% of the videos I’ve seen are very positive toward the firearm. With the only exceptions being from “Guntubers” who make it clear from the beginning they have a bias against Springfield in general and that immediately invalidates their opinion towards the firearm entirely. Which I find hilarious, the Echelon is a HS Product handgun, a Croatian manufacturer with a phenomenal track record. Springfield’s only association with the pistol is the fact that they stamp the gun due to marketing collaboration. The design, internals, and build are entirely developed by HS. Just goes to show how blinded by bias the majority a lot of these “professionals” can be.

[@watchyoutube9553]

@@moseschavez6169facts and the sheep’s who never even own one or shot one rush to the tittle of the video due to wanting it to fail or being fanboys or fake politicians this the first complaint I’ve seen but ion care bout these KZbin’s because I review things on my own nth sent to me or brought wit donations 💀…

[@renatooi88]

Is the 20 round magazine. Most people had problems with that one.

[@911adventures]

If you're looking for a full size pistol the Prodigy is an absolute pleasure to shoot. It is smooth and accurate. the size seems to fill my palm which gives a solid platform from which to shoot which is also replicable every time you grab the gun.

[@swivel63]

Chadd said the prodigy was the worst gun he’s ever shot lol. I got the commander version. Had to send it to Springfield for repairs to get it to run.

[@MrDmthomp32]

I have the commander sized prodigy. Just have to oil and work the slide to break in the rails covered with thick cerakote. Mine had two stoppages in the first mag, I oiled, cleaned cycled the action a bunch and repeated. Mine is flawless since then through probably 450 rounds. The prodigy is a great pistol, it just needs to break in and the best part is you don’t need to use bullets to do that!

[@furdturgeson_89]

Sell that for a Staccato P

[@MrDmthomp32]

@@furdturgeson_89why? Mine runs perfectly. Is extremely accurate and I bought it for $1,200 less than a P. Not that I would take staccato, just not enough there for the extra cost for me.

[@Spanisheyessound]

I took mine yesterday to the range for the first time and ran 150 rounds through it and didn’t have any problem with it, that is weird you have that much problem with yours.

[@jacksexton4153]

3,500 plus rounds, with none of the issues. I did put Taran Tactical +5 mag mag plates on it because I didn't care for the factory ones...

[@FireBoxCampaign]

Honest Outlaw put this gun through a nasty torture test and had magazine problems exploding, But nothing like your having. I bet the pistol is fine, check to make sure magazines are installed correctly. Do a follow up video after contacting Springfield or checking the magazines. And stop slamming magazines use the slide release or come over the top.

[@deecowboys]

I have a echelon with over a 1000 rounds thru it, most shooting IDPA and USPSA not one FTF or FTE, it's been magna-ported, prp trigger and lots of polishing, no problems whats so ever.

[@Robert-ms2qs]

Just used mine in a 4hr course class. Went thru about 20 emergency mag changes and not one issue.

[@armywrench]

Looks like the Gen 1 M&P premature slide release issue. It is why they extended the metal sub frame and added a detent to the 2.0 slide lock. The Gen 1 just had to much flex in the frame. Guys that really had a “positive or tactical” mag seating usually ended up dropping the slide without it picking a round up. As the guns got a higher round count on them they became even more sensitive and you could basically tap them on the side and the slide would drop. You can confirm by locking the slide back on an empty gun and striking the heel of the empty Magwell with your reload palm heel like your reloading. Most guns will drop the slide but you have to hit it just right with some pretty assertive force. If it’s sensitive like an old M&P it won’t take much of a bump. The other thing is the last round hold open on could only be half way engaging because the mag follower. If that’s the case then again your slide will release premature from a slight vibration or movement. Something to note. I’m a gunsmith. If a customer comes in with an issue with a gun I have to troubleshoot the issue or the customer or both. If I told the customer “I have the same gun and it’s ran flawless for 1200 rounds” that wouldn’t really work for them and it would just be awkward…..A single data point yes. It’s dynamic always with guns. Just because your Dodge Ram went 300k doesn’t mean that every Ram is a ringer. Also 4k on a modern full size polymer pistol is about the equivalent to your first oil change. Basically recoil spring replacement time. 40-50k rounds is comparable to 100k mile mark on a car/truck. With good maintenance intervals Glocks will go 80-100k rounds. 2.0 smiths 50-70k Sig’s people usually get rid of them after a year. XD&XDm about 15-20k before they start loosing pins/falling apart.

[@trevorj.8401]

It's got a lot of things going for it, but there are some bugs that need to be worked out for sure!!! I'll stick with my S&W M&P until then! Great video, as always guys! I love what yall do! God bless!

[@scottmac007]

me too! My PC shield plus has zero malfunctions about 1500 rounds through it so far and when I change mags the slide always runs forward ready to go! Although I will say I have a friend who owns an Echelon and it runs very well no problems.

[@trevorj.8401]

@AverageGIJoeOutdoors agreed cz is amazing

[@non-binaryjesus]

I find it strange as KZbin has told me that my XD was junk, but I have never had an issue. KZbin said my xds was garbage, but I've never had an issue. KZbin said my prodigy was completely trash, yet again I've never had an issue with mine.... Just saying 😂

[@WolfHowl71]

All the other reviews I've seen are pretty good. I wonder if you got a dud? However I am glad that you showed everyone your own issues with the pistol. Nothing is perfect.

[@MrBlack-by5xf]

I have one, nearly a thousand rounds, no problems. Just this dude.

[@johnkoppi1960]

What I just noticed is you're slamming the mag home, which sometimes over seats it.. try not doing that. with practice you'll never have the issue with any type of gun.

[@1badm6]

I have 2 of these and never a problem , it's been as reliable as my glocks and sigs

[@sheldonhoyt6624]

Pretty honest review as far as I can tell. The issues that happened are issues. Maybe someone has one that works, but in this video its clear. Thats why I shoot Glock. Glock works.

[@Alop777]

This was nothing more than a long sales pitch for Glock. Glock is not the best. Come on man! 😅

[@Witham1836]

I’ll just continue to carry my Glocks, and call it a day.

[@dylan_pinette]

Seems like it could be a bad mag or just user error. I have had 0 issues with my Echelon.

[@vaughnsadekni665]

So one sample of a gun with some issues. Doesnt mean its crap. It seems to be worth it for most people that run them.

[@marcusfoshie4642]

Springfield needs to buy that gun back. And do a recall on all the ones like it. And fix what's wrong with it. Thanks for the review, Chad. I enjoy the show. Keep up the good work🙏❤️🇺🇸🤠

[@kennethcook3127]

Nothing wrong with this gun at all. It’s the user

[@turn-n-burn1421]

@@kennethcook3127 I kinda doubt that. Even if he was limp-wristing it, or using other bad habits, you don't think Chadd would have helped him by now? They frequently shoot together. I thought maybe it needs some lube or maybe just has a bad or misadjusted part in it. Who knows; but I doubt it's user error.

[@barry6557]

Think you might of got a 🍋 brother. Got mine on my hip right now. It's been absolutely flawless. Firing pin broke on my 19x so I guess any gun can fail but I've had a great experience with my Echelon so far.

[@hansblitz7770]

I've noticed there is something usually off with XD fans. Like, they typically have tacky taste. Bro loves his XD, and Chrysler 300 with rims, has a Katana mounted above his TV, and some Scarface posters. Heck yeah home slice.

[@annonymouslibertairian9120]

They had problems with the mags. It was clearly a mag problem in the video. I am sure they have since fixed it. Mine works flawless. I would recommend it. But you guys are making good content. Glad I found you.

[@annonymouslibertairian9120]

I found the problem. You were dropping the slide with 1 round in the magazine. There are no other bullets keeping the stack uniform so the mag follower is getting kinked. This was 100% NOT the fault of the gun or the magazine. OR the operator. It was a flawed test. But I think dropping the slide with only 1 round in the magazine is the problem.