This Gun Is Leaving All Competition In The Dirt

[@thomascozart1095]

It would be interesting to compare this to the new steel frame Canik.

[@user-lv8cv8sv2f]

It does remind me of a Canik.

[@awokeone7997]

I'm a M&P guy but SW not putting a Apex trigger or something on par with them on the competition series is dropping the ball. Canik's triggers kills the M&P 2.0 metal comp

[@nr-xi8sr]

Literally comparing those 2 for purchase now

[@awokeone7997]

@@nr-xi8sr go with the M&P 2.0 Comp and just add a apex comp spring set

[@theoverzealouscollector8198]

I own 8-9 S&W and had no intention of acquiring a Canik, but I’m buying the rivial-s over this gun. The value, the trigger and all the little improvements are too much to ignore.

[@johnlacasse8893]

So, Jerry Miculek (some of you may have heard of him) called the Metal 2.0 "may be the most accurate out of the box" he ever shot. He also is now rocking the Competitor as his new 3 gun pistol. Pretty ringing endorsement.

[@2aTommy]

You realize he’s sponsored by S&W, right?

[@johnlacasse8893]

@@2aTommy yes... He still going to choose the best gun available to him. Also, if he used S&W to set multiple world records, doesn't that speak volumes to the quality of the products. To my knowledge, no one else does what he does with any other brands, do they?

[@2aTommy]

@@johnlacasse8893 no.. he’s going to go with the best Smith&Wesson have.. that’s how sponsorship works. And that only shows how great of a shooter Jerry is. Not that it’s the best gun lol. Pretty sure he also uses their rifles. Are you saying the sport II or the volunteer are the best ARs too? To be clear I’m not saying they aren’t good guns. But thinking they must be the best cause someone on team smith and Wesson uses it in competition is kind of funny

[@johnlacasse8893]

@@2aTommy I didn't say it was the best out there... Jerry did... But he qualified it as out of the box, not best period. Also he set many of his records BEFORE Smith and Wesson sponsorship. To be fair, he and all competition shooters mod and improve all there guns. My point was/is Jerry wouldn't use them if they weren't solid. Also, let's be honest he could outshoot most of us with an unmoded hi-point... But probably not at his highest level.

[@2aTommy]

@@johnlacasse8893 He could probably do it blindfolded lol. I’m not saying they aren’t solid guns, and they may be his preference. My point is he’s on team S&W, which means he’s paid to say good things, gets free stuff, and is paid to use them in competition. So his opinion may not be 100% objective lol. It’s good marketing, cause who doesn’t want to shoot like Jerry, right? Personally, that also makes it hard for me to take his word as a genuine “endorsement”. Especially after I shot the 2.0 metal and wasn’t really blown away by it.

[@jasonconklin6702]

I came here to see this review because I'm comparing against Canik Rival-S. Thanks! 👍

[@StephenHostetter]

Just picked one up. Been waiting months. Shot it yesterday with 115 grain and no issues. LOVE IT! Just ordered the Holosun SCS and will mount soon.

[@nyboy3064]

How do you like the SCS?

[@laxbro7ify]

The new Steel Canik Rival: "Hold my beer...."

[@losoway4505]

$100 less too

[@AJ-gk7bn]

@@losoway4505 To be fair this looks easily worth the extra $100. Cool to have a very similar but cheaper high quality option on the market too though.

[@yellowlt6]

To be fair this M&P is far from a game changer. The aluminum doesn't do anything but but make the recoil feel sharper. The mag basepads are a terrible design. Other than being made in Turkey the Rival-S is just better. I'd rather have a Walther 5", SIG P320 X5 or even the HK VP9 5".

[@111Jeffrey]

I have the Metal M&P 2.0,and Love it! The only 3 things that the Competitor has the are different that I'd like to have are 2 more mags, the cool green sight on the end of the barrel,and a hard case to carry the my gun in! My gun is so accurate that I don't want a red dot! But to me,there isn't much difference between these 2 guns to make me interested in having a Competitor!

[@maxfit68906]

I commented the same. It’s accurate enough without a red dot. With the exception of the length, slide cuts, etc…. all the things you desire can be added for an affordable price. Red Dots IS all the rage now and people put too much emphasis on it. But for a firearm like this, iron sights is good enough.

[@bryandavis8095]

Thank you for showing the complete takedown of this. I had an extremely difficult time getting the bolt to release so I can change my grips until I saw you use the mag. Mine still looked more difficult but that was a handy tip. Thanks

[@venomgt7299]

New Steel frame Canik looks like a beast

[@paulmayers5859]

Ran 124 Grain with mine, locked back every time. Just got it, put 150 rounds through it. The only issue was me, the shooter lol. Got my shot groups tight as I went along

[@jasonnuttle7426]

Both of Canik SFX'S lock back on the last round with 115 grain. JS.

[@michaelcain21]

Wow. I was not expecting so much negativity from you on a Smith and Wesson. Mad respect. Im a Smith fan and this is really helpful.

[@Shift1dwn5up]

Always loved M&Ps. Just never cared for the infamous hinged triggers.The new triggers are looking sweet.May consider a metal in the future!!

[@RedEyePergo]

Unfortunately its just a cosmetuc change the break and pull weight are the same . Ive heard the Apex trigger for the M&P is 1911 tier good

[@ncpanther]

If the performance center puts a ported barrel or someone like floyds customs does the work it will be sick. Hopefully they make a metal sheild plus!!

[@nismo_zrz3321]

My Competitor cycles everything without issue, 115gr has been flawless so far.

[@jhngh411]

Just bought this in the 2 tone with the black slide and I cannot wait to pick it up and shoot it tomorrow.

[@bobseason4668]

I compete with m&p pistols and I have a suggestion. my m&p pistols all lock back except for the 5" 2.0 model when I first got it.. I realized that my support hand , the palm of my hand was resting on the slide release. Not my thumb as most were suggesting and most said there's nothing I can do it about.. WRONG.... my solution was to cut off most of the material from the slide release leaving only a small upper lip portion intact. This procedure magically fixed the issue.. In your case from what I'm seeing is that your thumb is riding the release.. Make an effort to float your thumb off the release and see if that fixes the problem, if so then do what I did. cut most of the bottom portion of the release off and leave a small lip ... also I'm not sure if you compete or not but if you do, whey do you release the slide by racking it? that slows down your reloads.. use your thumb or slam that mag in and it will force the slide closed .. Love that feature of the gun. Enjoy your bad ass new m&p

[@rickbirmingham2055]

Definitely need to compare to the new Canik SFX Rival S Frame.

[@dustinblackwell7889]

I agree compare this to the new canik rival s

[@jasonnuttle7426]

I'm looking to get a Rival Dark Side. $769 with the optic.

[@dustinblackwell7889]

@@jasonnuttle7426 I have a rival darkside I put a holosun 507c on it, I like it, just not a fan of the fat trigger shoe, I plan on swapping it for a freedomsmith trigger

[@maxfit68906]

I bought the all metal 2.0 full size when it first came out. I liked the innovation on an already amazing firearm. Shortly after, the Competition model came out. I’ve had a 5 inch 1.0 pro series CORE with an upgraded Apex trigger for years. Shoots like a house on fire with great accuracy. I don’t see myself spending another $1K to replace my 1.0.

[@jackperry7445]

Replace it! Sell your 1. And buy the new metal. Leave the comp edition to the comp people. I adore my metal and I have the entire m and p 2.0 line up. It's my go to edc

[@SigAXG320]

@@jackperry7445 Would love your input: I carry the shield plus: absolutely love it b/c I have smaller hands and I love the 1" width. Shoots way better than my previous sig p365xl for me (didn't care for that trigger). I'm thinking of adding a M&P 2.0 and have read the metal(aluminum) framed version doesn't really reduce recoil much compared to the polymer version. The weight difference is only 2oz plus you lose polymer flex. What are your thoughts? Also, I want a threaded barrel for a can eventually and you can get a 4.25 polymer version with the threaded barrel and raised 3 dot sights for under $600. The metal 2.0 is $850 everywhere. In both cases, I'll have to spend extra money to swap out the factory sights for night sights. Also: the grip width on the polymer 2.0 is 1.1" vs 1.3" on the metal............ergo, the polymer would likely fit my hands better

[@Blacksheeprc2024]

M&P ftw! Love mine!

[@resolute123]

If only they have a manual safety. Can you put the slide on the polymer frame?

[@rolandoherrera5416]

Im wondering the same thing. On a regular 2.0. & would you need a different barrel

[@irishmike8218]

Took my son to the gun store to look, saw and felt this gun and bought it. Feels amazing, awesome trigger.

[@Mr3dperformance]

I like your point about it should have had a ported barrel. I’m going to get mine ported

[@charles17508]

That gun is sick

[@kcadams328]

My M&P compact did the same thing with not locking back. It's an issue with the slide stop not being bent correctly. When you take out the ambidextrous slide stop, it is "U" shaped. In mine the "U" was flared outward and was causing it to hang up on the frame, just like you showed in the video. I just bent it by hand so that the 2 sides were parallel, and it fixed the problem.

[@64samsky]

I bought a S&W Sheild that had a dead trigger out of the box. They fixed it and sent it back to me with an extra magazine.

[@Kodreanu23]

The title promised more than video delivered.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

Love it, can't afford it.

[@ACE117GS1]

Slide by slide comparison is good

[@guyranctilsr]

We just love our Smiths

[@wicked.orlando]

I like my M&P Metal not as interested in that competition version as I also have the M&P 2.0 Performance C.O.R.E version with 4.25” and love that as well……Nice review though

[@BlackMambaVids]

I just bought a M&P Metal myself as well but have noticed that the front grip insert is kind of loose and rattles around when I move the gun. Have you noticed anything similar with yours? Wondering if it’s normal or not and if I should send it back.

[@michaelm233]

Nice looking gun. Maybe I'll try some competition shooting in the future. Or at least buy one for range time.

[@PatriotSteve]

Shot one and it shoots sweet. Might get one for myself for the range.

[@gregorydamario7977]

I shot 100 rounds through mine last week and it cycled perfectly.

[@gregorydamario7977]

115 grain

[@jonspencer7004]

I shot one of these the other day in the range. in its stock configuration, I thought it was just ok. I think it mostly needs resprung with better/more grip texturing, but also…I don’t know why you would make a metal gun and then reduce the weight down to a polymer pistol. They could have done much better on this. If I wanted a competition gun, I could buy a Shadow 2 for $1000…it’s better in every way

[@PracticalPostMan_FLA]

Nice review bro. By the way in competition you don’t want co witness sights. It just interferes with the sight picture for a lot of shooters. Co witness sights is a concealed carry thing. Also if they would of “comped” or “ported” it , it would have no place anywhere in competition besides open division which would be dumb because that’s a race gun division. PS: the Canik Rival laughs at that gun. Ask any competition shooter.

[@Baldcurious]

I have one of these and although it's a nice gun , it's far from leaving competitors in dirt. I shot mine for about 1/2 a season and went back to Sig X5

[@michaelcooke8665]

John wick would love that

[@oldmantod]

Just flipped to a red-dot MOA (Trijicon), How recommended is it to manipulate the slide by pushing on the red dot sight? Aside from muscle memory, any impact to shifting zero?

[@doberman1911]

I love the aesthetics but there are actually a few things S&W needs to improve upon with this version of the M&P. 1) I prefer a heavier weight frame on a competition gun. I would love to see this gun with a stainless steel frame. 2) the plastic grip on the front strap has play in it. S&W should have just milled the grip texture on the front strap -especially on a $1k pistol. 3) the slide to frame play is horrendous. Again I expect more for a $1k M&P pistol.

[@SanSabaSongbird]

Just remember, just because it’s called the competitor doesn’t mean that’s what people are going to use it for. People are getting way too emotional about this gun. Pull trigger, go bang. Ooooo ahhhhhhhh

[@motorcitymadman146]

I like the fish scale style

[@LiorIPSC]

I've been running a CORE 2.0 that weighs almost the same. Can't imagine the Competitor being so much better. In my opinion they should have made a steel framed version that could compete with the X5 Legion.

[@franknapolitano9144]

Just wish S&W had continued with the Beavertail from the older S&W Models.

[@Levy_PL]

@Hegshot87 Great vid. Just wondering if you have a comparison to the M&P Spec Series 2023? I'm trying to choose between these two but it's hard as hell. Would appreciate any help! Cheers

[@pistolpete6321]

Great review, nice looking gun!

[@jrive075]

Canik SF rival has entered the chat

[@Vinny-gh2ww]

"This" gun should be the Steel Canik!

[@PkwyDrive13]

For being a gun review channel and shooting so much I'm surprised you still flinch 😂 I'd think all the shooting you'd get past that

[@terrymax5340]

Nice looking gun .

[@briancooke5532]

I love that someone is finally giving praise to the stock triggers on the 2.0's, everyone always bitches about their triggers and I think they are crisp and predictable.

[@martylucas8557]

I’d like to see this new M&P compared to both the Canik Rival SFX and the Rival S, as well as the Walther PDP Competition Steel. I can’t imagine a better trigger than either the Walther’s or Canik’s.

[@somebrains5431]

Metal frame would be good for swing weight, like when you’re going full speed on the clock. Sights being regular height as stated are for non optics classes, adjustable would be preferred, target focus is the ideal in a game. Leaving springing and trigger up to the owner would cater to competition shooters as everyone has their own preferences for final tune. Flat range with no movement isn’t highlighting what metal framed competition pistols are for. Adhering to common IPSC, idpa, USPSA equipment rules as a base for optimization is normal. 9mm is going to be the usual bc hardcore Limited shooters will want 40, and Open are loading Major. So no 10mm or 45 because Heavy Metal is a niche that’s also capacity and sometimes ignition type limited.

[@ImagingPro]

Canik all day long. C’mon Hegshot

[@slumgullianpass]

Nah

[@mrtrapper93]

Looked to me like the slide didn't lock back more than once! Also appears to me to be a rip off of the Canik TP 9 Rival SFX. Thanks I'll keep my Canik. It worked flawlessly right out of the box. The steel version also has some feeding problems having to do with the mags. seating too high. My polymer version is perfect. Also my CZ Shadow 2 is a race car. If I ever shot competition, the CZ would be my primary with my Canik Rival as my back up!

[@loudfastfood2625]

So would these mags be interchangeable with the FPC or does the magwell make it not compatible with other M&P mags?

[@bruceb9515]

The 17 rd mags fit all m&p pistols except the Shield. Including any old 1.0 versions. I have a big lineup of M&P so I know that to be true. Large M&P mags are like glock mags. They're are interchangeable (except for Shield models).

[@BlueprintTactical]

Sure is a nice looking pistol! May have to look into one for myself!

[@phenominalblak9797]

Guns, Motorcycles and Call of Duty…. THE Holy Trinity!!!!! You sir, have a new sub!

[@adominguez557]

Is the flared mag well removable completely or it has to be on there for that back straps?

[@matthewsmith2051]

They keep the regular height sights for guys wanting to use this gun for limited division with no red dot

[@jahsimalonzo]

Heg what do you think about the ruger American compact 9mm

[@mr.joints5142]

Is that your own optic sight? I bought one but didn’t come with optic.

[@luisjr8856]

So I actually picked up a canik rival s (steel frame) over this one because I couldn’t feel the trigger reset on the S&W just like my M&P CORE performance center, but I do like the aesthetics what’s your experience with the trigger??

[@Hegshot87]

The reset isn't as audible as some other pistols but not too bad overall. The trigger break and weight though is fantastic.

[@stevestory8483]

@@Hegshot87 what weight does the trigger break at on the competitor

[@Nick-db2mu]

now the one question I have and I don't know if anyone knows or not but can you swap barrel for a ported barrel. i mean they have one with a ported barrel that's already made my smith and wesson. can you take that one and put it in this one are the parts interchangeable.

[@saabaru007]

My Canik Rival, Glock 34 Gen5, and Walther PPQ always locks back with 115 gr. ammo.

[@davidhoneycutt278]

Does the 9mm Competitor 2.0 PRO SHOP qualify for IDPA SSP with the FACTORY MAGWELL and BASEPLATES?

[@kicolenidman5607]

I have an MR920 Elite w/ 507c x2 and a TLR-7 and I would love to trade it for a M&P 2.0 Competitor

[@LUIZS87]

Is there a thumb safety if you want to conceal carry and not worry about it firing?

[@NickM8000]

No just a trigger safety, wouldn’t worry about it just firing though it not a sig. 😉 😂

[@Xploit66]

If you take the mag well off and put the normal tool in, can you use the normal M&p mags? Not a huge fan of the msg well and extended looking magazine look.

[@geoffreytasker2097]

The other may release is there because people with larger hand may accidently release the msg when firing

[@jamesdelong6401]

So what did you figure out with the 115 grain shooting the Competitor? Was it the 115 grain why the slide wouldn't lock back after the last round? I'd like to know. I plan of buying the Competitor myself. I have the 1st M&P 2.O metal.

[@jrrenner1755]

I would love to see you do a side by side comparison with the canik S

[@bryanduchane2371]

Many competition guns don't have a slide lock to get an extra round or 2 I'm the magazine.

[@pauls8304]

Just bought one they are sprung very tight would imagine that's slide stop issue having a couple atlas gunworks guns this is quite affordable

[@anracker3798]

i put a delta point pro on mine and i had some funky gas blowback on my optic and ruined the glass

[@zarb88]

i have heard its the chamber indicator slot allowing gas to excape

[@charles17508]

I'm getting that .

[@bigjimward1]

Canik will seriously out preform S&W

[@coreyeason6841]

Would you use that as a duty /shtf role?

[@aleffel9668]

Canik rival wayyy better. Better trigger, better price better looking better ergonomics

[@Blipp619]

Agreed. Feel like the M&P was a big miss.

[@Brimwald]

Isnt the bore axis worse on Caniks? S&W should have less muzzle flip

[@aleffel9668]

@@Brimwald they’ve relieved the beaver tail to get a higher grip on the Caniks with the mete and rival series. I’ve shot a PC m&p and a rival. Rival is a more enjoyable shooter imo. Rival is probably the best shooting 9mm striker fired gun I’ve ever fired. Obviously doesn’t match the 2011’s but it’s great.

[@Brimwald]

@@aleffel9668 oh nice, that's great to hear. I'd like to see Walther do that with the PDP.

[@S1deshowRob]

@@Brimwald I have the polymer frame rival and the recoil is definitely more flippy than my P10 with the lower bore axis, but I’d honestly say it just feels different, not worse. It returns to zero easily and the trigger is honestly just insane though. Only the walthers come close, but the canik rival can honestly hang with 1911s

[@gregorydamario7977]

The M.20 Performance weighs 29oz and the M.20 weighs 30oz. But the Performance has a longer barrel. You should weigh the two barrels and find out how much heaver it is than the other. That would give you a more accurate measure of how much weight was cut out of the Performance.

[@PoisonSpyder038]

Got to say I was disappointed when I noticed it wasn’t a build in comp on the slide. At least it’s a Ported barrel

[@paulh6101]

Barrel is not ported

[@bobbbobb1624]

I’m taking the Canik Rival S

[@chiefengineerstevo9420]

last round lock back.. does it not work

[@msrautowerks7223]

Canik rival especially the new S eats this

[@sheilareese3839]

Can this compare to Sig Sauer P320 Max, about same $ with cost of optic for S&W

[@mattg2596]

I only own 2 Poly flex junk handguns, all 20 some others are full metal frame and a few of them alloy metal frame aka aluminum. But for black ops missions 375 cheytac is sweet.

[@michaelmcmillan2776]

That's really not true on the sites. They're trying to open it up to all divisions of competition Ironside included. And if I'm just shooting Ironsides I sure as hell don't want suppressor sights on there.

[@joehuff4025]

Does it come in .45??

[@bryanduchane2371]

Glad to see so many steel guns being released. When will someone make a metal frame pistol the same size of the P365XL and capacity, but hammer fired DA/SA?? That combo would be a big hit, but no manufacturer is listening to the market!!!

[@richardmayer5293]

Sig p226

[@bryanduchane2371]

@@richardmayer5293 It's a bit too big for my body type. Can't conceal it. SC law was changed last year and OWB is now legal for CWP holders. May have to go that route to carry the pistol I actually want....

[@richardmayer5293]

SigP228?

[@clintwestwood1895]

I like that shark-nose cut /look of the muzzle.

[@DynaNick103]

I’d be willing to bet you are just riding the slide release.

[@jackierobinson1351]

I'm getting this and the rival s

[@jgibby905]

What the shit was that COD interruption…

[@PkwyDrive13]

It's a fail as far as competition pistol...if they truly wanted to make a legit competition pistol it would have been a full steel frame, not aluminum.

[@jamesoncross7494]

I wish they left the fish scales. That is kinda their thing.

[@justinholihan1914]

What red dot is that. I just bought this gun n want that

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

With comps you need the hottest load you can use to get the most out of the comp.. some 115g nato would be best.. it’s the exact opposite of what one thinks.. the hotter the load the softer the recoil is when using a comp.. Regular range ammo it will have a lot more recoil then is you loaded in something like nato or Buffalo bore or some 115 +p type ammo.. As for slide like.. you usually are not going to get slide lock on better made competition/race guns.. now I would expect this one to still lock tbh.. but you can get a $3000 2011 and you’re not gonna get slide lock most of the time either.. it’s a product of how they are tuned to shoot flat and the combination of springs used vs the cyclic rate of the slide being speed up so much they generally will over tune the catch on the mag faster then it can catch.. For what this gun is I don’t think that is the issue.. S&W Wesson going to lighten the springs that much.. they are more of a function and reliability of performance company so i would agree there is something wrong in this gun.. likely just needs a new higher power spring for the slide stop/release..

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

They blew it by not making it steel frame.

[@davidjirvin5410]

Not so fast ,Canik just released the Rival metal version and I'm sorry but if you ask me the Rival is better than the m&p

[@jackperry7445]

At least put apex triggers in all 2 of those guns. Also put the core sites on so you can cowittnes.