This Is A Huge Blow To The FOXBODY COMMUNITY / MOATES 😰

After many years of being the go-to tuning option for tons of people in the foxbody community
Moates is now closing the doors...
#moates #foxbodytuning #tuning
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[@mfkustoms]

We did attempt to purchase and reproduce with no success unfortunately.

[@enriquecarcamo6181]

We’re can I get one

[@garrison2574]

Do y'all offer a solution for the 94-95 mustang that has the same 5.0 engine as the foxbody?

[@jeremypickle682]

750 dollars for just an adapter is insane. I understand that there’s money invested and it’s got to be profitable I can buy the complete Holley harness for less not taking into consideration that it’s a couple hundred dollars cheaper to buy the complete kit. Like 350-400 and I’d honestly say it would be an option 750 I just laughed.

[@SuperThugnifacent]

I def gonna need one once I go turbo. But is that true are the quarter horse really gone for good?

[@sorscode]

@@SuperThugnifacent Yes it is true, the Quarterhorse is officially gone.

[@bryancondrey6457]

I'm sure the pressure being applied by the EPA is hitting all our favorite vendors.

[@Prestiged_peck]

When they came for the diesel guys. We said good riddance. Now they're coming for us and the diesel guys are saying good riddance.

[@Hockey-ny7tp]

Not really for after market stuff unless it's diesels

[@eaglewarrior8707]

The software is already on the internet and you can duplicate the pcb and components. It not hard to do. It's like tying your shoes. Saying you are defeated is like saying the government is opening each and every package before it reaches your door. For example. Sandwiches are no longer legal in the state of such and such. Here is you. Well dang.

[@bryede]

Once Congress creates and transfers its authority into an agency, you can't just vote for things to change. Those guys aren't elected. They'll do what they want.

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@Hockey-ny7tp no, they're actually shutting down guys for touching gas emissions stuff too, doing their best to stop sales of offroad mid-pipes, EGR delete plates, phaser lockouts, etc.

[@thelastminuteman7513]

20 years ago one of my mentors an old fabricator/mechanic who spent his 20s repairing Cat Bulldozers damaged by RPG fire in Nam told me the reason cops used to chase us around the woods for riding quads and dirt bikes and harassed us mustang guys for sitting at coffee shops shooting the shit was because the government and the powers that be don't want us having that stuff. He said they don't want us having bikes and suped up muscle cars and lifted 4x4 trucks. He said they wanted us doing all the hard work and having very little to show for it, to work then go home drink beer and watch football on TV like good little worker drones. I didn't realise back then how spot on he was.

[@SlayerStang69]

I wish they had sold to someone who wanted to carry on moates quarterhorse. Fortunately I found a good Megasquirt tuner!

[@Paulster2]

To be honest, this affects not only the Foxbody crowd, but the GM crowd as well. I was able to purchase some Moates products to allow for removable chips in my 3rd Gen Camaro ... no longer available. What I'm saying is, I feel your pain. This is quite a blow to quite a few enthusiasts. I don't blame Moates for shutting down. Hopefully there is some plan to allow their "stuff" to go forward with either selling outright or licensing.

[@Go4BrokeOffroad]

I've had the twEECer for 15 years. It tunes the same way. Slower traffic keep right is the company.

[@imperfectbeliever8127]

I love technology as much as anybody. But this is exactly why my foxes are always carbureted. I like the FAST throttle bodies because they're simple and self learning. I don't currently use them because of parts availability. If I'm on a road trip I don't want to have to tow my car home 5 states away. But technology changes and things become obsolete. I keep my set up simple and my garage shelves are loaded with brand new parts ready to go. I may not be as fast but when everything is $100,000 factory muscle only and or electric i'll still be rolling in my hotrods

[@MDAdams72668]

"But technology changes and things become obsolete" True BUT Moates was not obsolete they were EPA(ed) to death Their product allowed actual programming at the machine language level AND was affordable THIS is the END of affordable hot-rodding using the best most up to date tech

[@DrYosh2]

Funny you say you use a carb because parts availability. I'm running a Slant Six in my daily. My setup is a FiTech, HEI ignition conversion, and a fuel system made up of common off the shelf components. I based my selections off of what is locally available that also meets my requirements. The only "special" part is the CB black box controlling the timing. I can run my timing locked out in an emergency, though.

[@teamstuart302]

I've used a Tweecer for decades. You should take a look at it if you haven't.

[@henryoddsball2164]

I was into Subarus before mustang and we were spoiled. A $60 laptop cable was needed along with open source software to edit/read/write/log, and the forums had tons of base files for the cookie cutter setups along with plenty of people willing to help with tuning. I come to the mustang world and it feels like vendors hold the keys to everything, which is really surprising considering how long people have been building h/c/i cars.

[@powershift5439]

Well said, I agree

[@scottchelmford7136]

i remember flashing my wrx with a tactrix and getting launch control with the stock ecu. it was rad!

[@henryoddsball2164]

@@scottchelmford7136 the raddest of rad. 2003-2007 was a really exciting time with those cars. So many people doing trying new things, and not doing it just for profit.

[@nigelthomas6642]

89 lx owner sense the late 80s restoring now glad you put this video out I am a follower

[@Numbah893]

I believe a company called tweecer is still available. I havent really heard much about tweecer and quarterhorse. It sucks to see their doors have shut down at quarterhorse. Hopefully we still have available options to tune our mustangs.

[@czorr1997]

The developers of Binary Editor (Core Tuning) has a decent amount of QH's left offered with there tuning packages for the time being. Wanted to share with the community. Thanks for the great videos.

[@SuperThugnifacent]

You got a number by chance man?

[@chrisbrecht3167]

Started watching the video and realized what happened, freaked out since I've been putting off ordering one, paused the video and went and bought a tuning package while theres some left.

[@BuffMyRadius]

If you're using BE you can always use the Mongoose cable as well

[@jaydubb71]

As a Holley Terminator X LS tuner, I will say that it's the best easiest platform to learn on. Now as far as keeping the stock harness, I would say the Ms platform. There's always Tweecer. But the Holley can still be used once you go boosted. And MS works well boosted also. If I ever build another EFI Ford, I'm definitely going with Holley.

[@Prestiged_peck]

I'm going holley on all 3 of the ones I'm building, including a 2valve mustang, a lincoln mark 8, and an 03 navi that's getting a coyote swap.

[@bryancondrey6457]

@@Prestiged_peck I hate to say it but Holley is in their sites as well. Holley has become much bigger with their market purchases/consolidations in the past decade. They would be a very public feather in the EPA's cap to further rule over us.

[@BomarBuilds]

Old thread long shot but You still working with Holly stuff? Would you recommend a baseline computer system for a 95 Ford 460, stock wiring? Longer-term I definitely would love to go with a mild turbo build. I've been looking at tweecer, the learning curve for programming is daunting. Others have said that Holly is easier to work with. Which line do you think would be best for what I've got? Somebody else recommended that I could get a PCR chip, that it made a big difference on the stock set up

[@josephhumphreys4485]

I just installed a MS2 Pnp on a 90 fox today. Worked great!

[@singularity7968]

Still have my Quarterhorse I bought back in 2009. Too bad. Great product!! Oh yeah and F the EPA.

[@drewmurray2583]

I use megasquirt and The issues I found with idle tuning were from not having the frequency set right for the pwm idle control valves you find on most ford engines. Get that right and the idle rpm does exactly what you tell it to do on the graph. Tunerstudio is by far the easiest software I have used but lately I have been into ls swap stuff with HPtuners and I love it!

[@myheadisntbig]

Megasquirts works good on ls too

[@killerhank]

What frequency have you found works best ?

[@drewmurray2583]

@@killerhank valve mode: normal, 0%=off 92hz

[@ogsuperflygarage]

Really hurts to see Moates leave the Fox Community! However, they did say they are seeking to pursue balance in their lives. I respect that decision. Family first my Brother! 💯👊🏾 MfKustoms and MegaSquirt are great options for sure. Like you said… We better get our hands on them while we can and if possible learn how to tune our own cars. 💯👊🏾

[@SuperThugnifacent]

That's facts bro💯

[@smevox7490]

The real reason is the EPA

[@last302]

Happy to still have my TweecerRT. And i was going to switch to a Quarterhorse too

[@E-FC3S]

From experience- building an engine harness for a 90's car really isn't that bad, and the benefits are amazing. Stock up on connectors, wire sheathing, etc. A month or two later you'll have an awesome result. If that really hurts you, go out and buy your favorite ECU and a connector for your stock harness and make a patch/harness adapter to use your stock harness! Standalone ECUs have come a loooooong way recently, and the software support as well. Haltech stuff is amazing and has CHANGED my relationship with my my fun cars and daily cars.

[@yoelb13]

Pro-M EFI systems, and was super easy to install, self-tunning.; even after all these years, would still recommend it because it was plug and play and would self-tune.

[@lenschmidt6426]

I have a Stinger PiMPxs. Stock harness and my idle is better then it has ever been. It's a blown 410W with a large custom cam

[@lenschmidt6426]

It also self tunes. Great product

[@firebirdjone]

I used Moates for a few years back when I was tuning a tuned port engine, probably a couple decades ago now. These days I find it a bit antiquated and have been using Holley the last few years. Many more improvements and options for tuning. Problem I see now is the MF Kustoms plug and play Holley setup you mention seems to be MIA everywhere I've looked. No one has it in stock. My sons Fox Body is reaching the need for custom tuning and this is the route I'd like to go. Not so much concerned about cost, but I don't want to put an order in and wait 6 months or more either. Seems that way with everything these days. We all have to deal with the same thing that ultimately took Moates out of the playing field.

[@madmod]

Brent from pfi ran into this with pre obd 2 ecu's in Hondas and it's still butting heads with the epa today.

[@SGTJDerek]

Here we go again. Anybody that remembers the '80's when it didn't matter that our builds ran cleaner than most new cars but weren't even Dailies, remembers the hoops we had to jump through. The EPA is reaching deep in another attempt to FORCE electric down our throats.

[@soconoha]

I don't think they intend for most people to drive. I think they want a select few license holders, the laymen will need to use public transport.

[@RodBeauvex]

@@soconoha This is more correct. It's not so much about electric as it is controlling who can drive where.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

@@soconoha This is exactly how it looks its going to go.

[@matthewdeluca9248]

I’m running the Pimpx on my turbo f150. Wasn’t cheap but has tons of options and I only had to cut up my harness because I chose to run sequential injection instead of batch fire. I also bought the smart coil upgrade but haven’t installed it yet.

[@8.2deck]

I like the holley double pumper best lol

[@bryanmulligan5319]

A lot of guys don’t want to admit it, but I think we will see a carb resurgence.

[@wgmskiing]

Not a foxbody owner, but the algorithm asked me to watch this. I can see right in the picture that there's an absolutely never going to be in stock Xilinx CPLD on that quaterhorse board. Those will come back in stock sometime around the end of a war in Ukraine.

[@Dextahmane]

It's a reminder of the need to pass the torch...

[@paulhudgins5120]

Big bummer, but the small guys are for sure being squeezed out, like you said now is the time to purchase what you can, before more EPA crack downs.

[@tommykane4621]

@57 years old I watched 69-73 mach1s crushed due to unavailable. Fuel dad bought a 1973 capri, traded in 1969 Mercury Marauder. 428c.i. 2door sport coupe.

[@gadget73]

Have a Quarterhorse in my Town Car, tuning an A9T to make it all play nice. Wonderful product. I guess the next time I have to do something like this I'll be doing a full ECM swap to something else.

[@lupemontanez2017]

Damn, this some good information man. Wow. I enjoy your channel brother. 👌

[@Drives88]

I've never used a TweecerRT but I think it's alot like the Quarterhorse. I believe it's still available..

[@jamesgeorge4874]

Mid 80's thru early 90's Ford idle issues weren't limited to Fox bodies, pretty much every EEC IV vehicle can be a stubborn ass, especially after the battery was disconnected, or a big temperature change. We were fighting them at the dealer into the late 90's early 2000's when I went independent.

[@tblosser8921]

The main reason megasquirt won't idle is because there base settings are way off. The extra that you pay for a holley is for the better base tune. To make megasquirt idle smooth it takes adjusting more that the idle control slider. idle valve PID numbers need big changes, timing base table must not change in the idle aera, afr targets must be the same (use autotune), and idle timing control must be setup. All those things have to be changed from the megasquirt base tune, to, almost the same settings that are default in a holley.

[@mysock351C]

Damn I remember talking and working with Craig years ago. Sad to see him go. Great company, and I still have some of his stuff floating around.

[@marks93cobra]

Biggest problem I have had with my MSPNP is the idle mixture starts to lean out as the IAT's go up from the sensor being in the lower intake manifold....I moved the IAT sensor to the air box and it's much better now....and as for the idle air control valve, I just found it easier to act like it's not even there and just use fuel and timing tables to control the idle.

[@boosted_3478]

I don’t use the idle valve either on our mega squirt car but I use the idle adaptive timing control and it works really good it idles the car up plus I can make it sound cool lol

[@lilmangofast]

This was the go-to solution for the mn12 chassis cars as well.

[@PDYALL]

Oh no of course right when I’m about to buy my first fox body. When I was a kid I bought the 96 and my buddy had a 91 and I envied him lol well now that I’m older and finally have the money I’m hoping to grab one to work on with my kids well fingers crossed lol

[@DavidB7474]

I found a tuner years ago that would make and adapter to factory harnesses, of aftermarket ecm’s! Harnesses were really costly!! I just tried to look up from the email I sent them back in 2014. It shows the shop is closed. It was White racing and Marine in Michigan.

[@byloyuripka9624]

fox bodies are more popular than ever? i wouldnt have guessed that, i suspect it must be a small crowd that is crazy about them like many vehicles? thanks for sharing, im a subie dude, interesting to see the differences between communities and their feeling towards wiring and tuning

[@johnnydanger57]

2 things, first I did buy a add on chip from a very reputable and recommended source. It was one you gave all your motor specs. and they designed the chip for it. I never got it to work (he did try to help) but it was one that had to go back and forth for adjustments, so that was 400.00 shot. And the Holley system for the 94-95 mustang (as I was told by their tech dept. twice) would not work with my distributor, and that would add another 700.00 to the exorbitant price of the system already. Actually 3 things... I did go with the Megasquirt, and I will tell you right now, if you haven't ever tried to program a computer, you are up a creek. And even with the 80.00 add on Tuner studio and 40.00 connection cable, you are pretty much still out of the ballpark. Type in Megasquirt into KZbin and look at the huge list of how-to videos, I have spent weeks watching just about all of them, and still can barely make it around the block.

[@ross2k220]

We need to rally together and put pressure on our local representatives, this is only a one sided fight if we don't do anything

[@Matt-cd1tl]

I must say, I don’t get on Anderson’s website how the Holley with the M.F Kustoms adapter costs just as much as the full Holley Kit with harness and screen. No matter how you swing it $750 for the adapter alone is very pricey

[@cjolney]

My friend just got a 2020 Fusion Sport 2.7L and wanted to get a tune into it to see what it can really do before the work starts. There are no options for his car at all. Every website says 2013 to 19, and when he contacts them directly they don't have any solutions for him. Now he's painstakingly decoding this ecu's "language", because as you said, you can't truly stop a dedicated enthusiast.

[@Pushrod_Criff]

The reason so many people are going holley terminator x is to eliminate the 30+ year old wiring and ecu’s that so much of us are experiencing issues with now. Two of my cars I’ve done capacitors in the ecu’s. I’ve replaced a bunch of capacitors in my buddies ecu’s. One got a full aftermarket engine control harness. Moates was great and still is but new technology is here.

[@jojog8304]

It sucks craig is getting out, but man, he advanced the industry; I wish him well. The QH is one of the few chips you could use for tunes and still go to smog with it (other being the SCT chip). Sure the new stuff offers way more and better features, but you can’t smog it even though you can end up with a ULEV quality tune! Regs! QH changed the game with data logging. Having used hypertech, APEchip, working with Raymond on reverse engineering superchips, Shiftmaster, and finally QH, this is truly an end of an era. A blow for the A9L users, but a HUGE blow for the cbaza users!

[@thomasvantassel6192]

I have a Haltech Elite 950 with a patch harness that utilizes the entire factory harness in my car currently. I also got the bright idea to upgrade to a Haltech Elite 2500 and they built me another patch harness to work with that as well. This winter I will be doing the swap. Absolutely the best mod I have ever done in the 20 plus years I have owned the car.

[@81cutlasslvr]

Haltech built the patch harness?

[@JDWorkshop-wn9tt]

Thank you for the info!

[@sbeard73]

Great info on this one thanks brother.

[@williamstamper442]

Here is what's so weird about this vid and the times we live in coming from a 53 year old gear head from Detroit. And yes I'm a GM guy but of course I try to stay at least in the loop with y'all Ford lovers (I say Detroit born and raised but do live in Dearborn for quite some time). These new options, especially the Holley plug and play sounds like a "weiner" even if you have to work overtime for 3 months to get it! All the other options out there are awesome as well, including the newly defunct products that came and went. I am still a carburetor guy and that will never change. For a living I was also a mechanic for 36 years until my health suddenly changed starting in 2018 and surprised im still here today but that gives me a new outlook on life to go for whatever it is you want NOW... but within reason of course and ALWAYS put the wife and family first. The 3 kids will figure it out later don't push them. Getting back on track to what I wanted to say in the first place, I was there when fox bodies were new. So many stories. I knew the girl next doors boyfriend loved my 442 and wanted to just enjoy cars. When I was politely unimpressed with his 21 year old ass in his Rx7 rotary I didn't even say a word. 2 weeks later he showed up with a burgundy/grey interior LX hatchback 5.0 That reminded me that we didn't call them fox bodies until about around 2005 ish give or take. Prior to that they were 5pointOhhs. 5 point O. As in 5.o liter five ohs. It was that way for so long many of us cringed like a scared monkey when we heard that term. Not because they were that fast it was more like because EVERYBODY had one. Like GTO'S in Detroit in 1967, every single stop light. And they all wanted to call you out NO MATTER WHAT you were driving. Getting back to John next door gals bf. He bought this car and brought it over to show me. I was impressed. Tight new car, awesome sounding twin tail pipes. He asked me to drive it and it had like 25 miles on it. I said no. He said "puleeease" I said fine. We went 3 blocks toward telegraph. Before we hit the big road I needed to figure this car out. I turned left on the last street before crossing telegraph. He said "come on get on it!" He said so with so much vigor. At that moment I hated that car and was gonna ring it out no matter what happened. I turned the corner and only had one residential block. This was mid day anyway. Stopped. Adjusted my ass. Only piloted the car to the corner, turned right then traveled 3 blocks then a hard left and stopped on the brakes. I said you sure? He said YES... I heel toe'd the car to just past 5 grand and stepped off the clutch like I stepped in dog shit. The car melted the tires. So surprised to see 5500 plus rpm come so quick.... That right foot pushed even harder into the carpet as I preloaded the stick for the 1-2 shift and being new it was so tight and beautiful.... I yanked that stock shifter with my left foot hovering the clutch and I did sorta kinda half ass barely kicked it as I tried to rip that stick right out of the T5. It was glorious because of wheelspin the revs barely changed. If y'all know these cars then you know the gear spread between 1 and 2 was negligible on a powershift done right. Second gear had the little 302 just sideways enough to fit between the cars parked on both sides of the street. Our little test track wasn't long enough so I rolled off the throttle and just clicked third and on the brakes. This guy John went NUTS! how do you do that blah blah blah. He took is now broken in car of 25 miles I think I put 2 on it so 27 miles and spent all his free time learning to powershift. He did learn fast I'll say within a month. Shortly after I got a Buick GN. I did all the stealthy mods too. Car went 12.01@111 stock appearing down to the stock tires in the front with the little yellow markings on the tire from the factory as I got my turbo regal used but only had 2472 miles on it when I bought it and only 7400something when I sold it. I treated it as a back then in time drive to the track stock eliminator car. with mods to hold boost I'd leave off of 0 boost up to 2, but would flash instantly and carried the left front wheel past the 60ft tree and went 1.55 60 footers all day long. I apologize for such a long story and all cut up with other stories. I am 53 right now and going thru major health problems and although my memory is great it's also all over the timeline too. Please forgive me for any seemingly intentional discretions or acting like this or that. Not even sure what I'm trying to say but the car stories can still be backed up by people still alive who were there then. Wish you all the very best and thank you for reading this far if you made it! Feel free to comment please don't beat me up too much in comments but then again I'm a tough hillbilly from Detroit so I can take it! With this HUGE comment I wanna get back to my point that I believe the electronic department of fox body stuff may change but I honestly believe for the better and don't y'all fret if you got something that works but no longer supported we'll continue on till you have to change. Use the time to learn your skills. Pretty soon all you will need is a generic fuel map and learn yourself how to tweak the curve for +3% or take away 5% from 4000-5400 just for example. This is a GREAT vid just updating modern times info. Just remember they will NEVER legislate our hobby away!!!

[@shannonshaw2996]

unfortunately holley is outta terminator x period rite now i ordered mine 2 weeks ago and no ship date available same with the holley hi ram intakes for ford in black none available no bueno

[@ArthurSperotto]

Not just the foxbody community, many others as well. I drag race a sport compact, and Moates has always had a huge presence in Honda tuning. I personally use Hondata, but this is a meaningful loss.

[@6mtzhp55]

Makes me realize I need to check the Hondata software and see how well it works offline if something similar happens to them. If one vendor is getting squeezed out, the same forces are maybe pushing on Hondata.

[@patx35]

Sad to see them go. I've used them on GM products when doing a full standalone wasn't practical from a price standpoint. Wish the Moates team the best, and hope that they can open source their products.

[@turkeyboyjh1]

Damn I used moats stuff on Fords, Gm tpi Volvo b230 and 5 cylinder their eprom emulator is a powerful tuning tool Volkswagen bmw it’s so versatile people use it on stuff the moats didn’t even know was possible

[@VictorSanchez-kp9nt]

I've had so many personal issues this year as many others I'm sure, but this does suck I needed one of those so I can cash in on last year's Xmas days win. I won the tune from Leech. Hope he doesn't mind waiting longer.🙄

[@83gt17]

This is the reason i went with a factory carburetor car. I have been seeing the writing on the wall for the early computer cars, and see it getting only worse. Can you imagine trying to restore a 2023 Shelby 40 years from now? Full touchscreen controls in the cabin, etc?

[@midnight347]

Plenty of ways to tune your car. This is nothing compared to the gadgets in modern cars. They're becoming throwaway cars meaning when enough stuff is not working or missing it won't even be worth fixing itll be totaled because of expense to fix it. I'm not a fan of the tablet stuck to the dash look and all the gadgets and stuff in modern cars. I have an 07 gt500 I wanted one of those because it's modern but not too modern. It is still an analog raw driving experience with a stout stick shift behind it and a beast of a motor. The new cars suck...too many gadgets.

[@ICONBADGTA]

If they made a "PLUG N PLAY" adapter for a F-BODY 7730 SD TPI, i'd buy it and the new Holley HP (TOMORROW) for future backup!!! I have a EBL self tuning P4 now... Love it... Got my baby running sweet and purring on the hunt for some of those "FOXES" lol/jk... Can't wait for the supercharger.... EBL may be the ticket but now you have an adapter for the holley stuff... Sooo....

[@tomsparks3259]

Has anyone approached the people who ran Moates and offer to buy their inventory, tooling, designs, intellectual property, etc. in order to continue their unique approach to aftermarket ECUs? I understand the supply chain issues. Finding suitable replacements for MCUs, FPGAs and so on is hard, and making all the changes necessary to make the new parts work the way the old one did can take months, but these supply chain issues will ease up, and normal production can proceed if someone has time to wait out the extended lead times. I get being tired and that they want to do other things, but they have worked hard to create something of value and it shouldn't be lost and forgotten.

[@DS-mo6md]

Have you checked out Motorvation? They did a custom tune for my speed density EEV iv in my van ... not together yet but Ive read good things and they seem to know what theyre doing.

[@powershift5439]

With Microsquirt, it comes with a decent base tune. Aannndd you can always hop on Google and find a close set up as yours, and just copy someone else's tune and then tweek it accordingly

[@johnelliott7375]

I finally found a mint one with 50k. on it and now I have second thoughts on the car because I was screaming to the Quart Horse and now I have had my legs cut out from underneath me. Sad and the man is coming, I will have to research if I could put a carburator on it and get it inspected in my state.

[@elementl1166]

Literally just bought another fox to do an old school Vortech HCI build and relive the 90’s. Planned on using my old A9L and a quarter horse too but now that won’t work! That said, I just confirmed the Tweecer is still available and would be a good option. I nearly went with one on my ‘93 many years ago but ended up going the Megasquirt route instead. While I’m happy with it (idles fine btw thanks to a quality tune), I prefer an old school approach this time.

[@daileydriven]

You can use the SCT Eliminator chip and still use binary editor, tuner pro, etc.

[@chadcorcoran711]

Adam Marrer - owner of Core Tuning and developer or Binary Editor has confirmed with me that he bought up all of Moates inventory and has plenty Quarterhorses to supply. I recently bought my QH/BE package from him and he remote tuned my boosted beast. The customer service is 2nd to none for what he offers. I would like to point out that you only need one QH for your fleet. Every car doesn't need to have one. Once you get your tune where it needs to be then have Adam or your tuner burn it to a chip and you are free to use the QH on a different car if need be.

[@Regretfulloon43]

Had the quarterhorse in my a9l. Burnd capacitors in computer

[@blackgtfoxovert6104]

Thanks!

[@RicoCantrell]

Crap!! I have 3 of them. One for my 88tbird, one for my 94 Bronco, one for my 96 f250. I need to get them set up.

[@andrewseyfarth]

Whats the story with the Holley plug and play? Is that a dedicated foxbody ECU or is what you were showing at 6:21 similar to their terminator?

[@cameronhart7682]

It's hard to believe that I probably bought the last Quarterhorse.

[@bama_5.051]

I heard about that on neo mustangs live stream last night..

[@AAAComputerSolutions]

multiple plug n play offerings available in the micro line. Do a search for PiMP, my buddy makes them. Comes with base tunes...

[@kirstenspencer3630]

Very insightful observations. As time marches on the cars as popular as they are will be replaced by the next generation of performance vehicles. The honda Clarity hydrogen fuel cell car has stellar acceleration. Tesla, and Rivan will be receiving the tuners touch soon.

[@angrygaragemechanic]

For now my car has a tune from Bob Kurgan. The good news is,we still have options. The bad, I don't like people messing around with our hobby. If it continues, I'll have to start learning this stuff.

[@VinnyMartello]

Ain’t nuttin’ a quadrajet can’t fix!!!

[@powershift5439]

I ran microsquirt when I had EFI, it's pretty simple. Learning curve for sure, once you get the basics (and have a quality wideband controller) there's really not a better option IMO, outside of Holley if you can afford Holley..

[@damianlindsey6177]

man in never ceases to amaze me how many people will spend multi thousands of dollars on just engine parts but then wanna run the cheapest ecu they can find.

[@powershift5439]

@@damianlindsey6177 I'm in full agreement, I'm just saying if it's a budget build, microsquirts a good option for foxes and not having moates isn't the end of the world.. but yeah, if a guys gonna cheap out on something, ECU is certainly not the part to pinch pennies on!

[@damianlindsey6177]

@@powershift5439 what you said. I am actually running an efisource microsquirt on my 351 swapped 83 ford ranger and it is awesome. My stuff is nothing but cam upgraded lightning 351 (helluva a swap meet score that motor was) but if I was doing a full build then I wouldn't skimp on the one thing controlling everything lol

[@ForcedFoxbody]

I'm probably going to be selling my QH with my software licenses. I'm enjoying running PimpXs on my ranger so much i need it for my fox. Don't get me wrong i loved learning with BE but it leaves a lot to be desired.

[@RaymondUrias]

It could be worth it and it will possibly boost your subscriber and views if you consider making an all electric Foxbody. The EPA has an open season kill order petrol powered cars.

[@dewayneebers9867]

you can use SCT flip chip i use it all the time at dyno shop stock ecu

[@jasonvitagliano6267]

Damn I'm glad I bought my holley terminator x when it first came out. Paid 1200$ now it's like over 2000$! Still have my megasquirt and stock ecu. Shout out to leech motorsports for helping me on the tune and can't wait to get it finished! Damn winter!! Lol!

[@chadj8349]

You can’t find them anymore/anywhere maybe eBay. I use the Anderson PMS which is still plug and play with 3 different data sets and probably the easiest thing to tune with. If it ever quits working I’ll go Holley

[@Project-gr6zy]

The SCT 6600 exists and does the same exact thing as the qh

[@omenncs]

I've never even heard of Moates, can't help but think some more advertising would have helped their sales

[@andrewseyfarth]

What is this Holley plug and play setup? Can you give a little more info on the Holley

[@jreycrx]

Chris the owner of xenocron closed his shop. I used to buy a bunch of stuff for obd1 hondas. Moats burn1 ostrich emulator back around 2010 hell i still have a bunch of sst chips

[@jesusisalive3227]

Dang it! I need a quarter horse!

[@RedFox-wg7dm]

I have the ms2pnp and had blackefi tune it. Got the idle air control down quickly.

[@MrInnovativeEnergy]

Take a speeduino, make a custom harness, create a base tune for the community, and offer the custom harness to the community, go to the track and enjoy?

[@BigPermGarage]

A real bummer for me because its so easy to live change even the SN95/Newedges

[@EffequalsMA]

I'm Term X, bc I just wanted better resolution, wideband and getting rid of a grot harness.

[@DrYosh2]

It's a shame to hear of good companies closing their doors. I really like the Moates products I have. Ostrich 2, Hulog, and Burn2. The only other piece of hardware I was using was my Innovate LM2. Now I'm kicking myself for not getting a quarter horse sooner. I'm more of a hobbyist tuner, but I was able to get some noticeable gains on my 0-60 times, MPG, and even how clean my car ran. Moates had hardware for so many different vehicles, and were among the most affordable when I was shopping around.

[@RinerAutomotive]

Man this is a super bummer. I've been running a Moates chip for years. Glad I recently updated my Quarterhorse. One thing I've come to realize, no company or product will last forever. As the car ages it just doesn't become viable to keep producing some products for the cars. It sucks but part of business. The money is always in the latest and greatest. So if you like/want a product don't hesitate, buy it whenever you can.

[@lukebronstein9617]

dont forget about PimpX, they make a great megasquirt ecu. better the MSpnp

[@krislinder7460]

This doesn't just affect Foxbodies, it affects all Ford EEC tuning up to 2004. Also you can use TunerPro instead of BE with the Quarterhorse

[@thehouseofhorsepowerautobo4506]

Great video, sad to see motes not producing anymore. Which tuning program are you running on your laptop I would like to try that out.

[@youdoofus]

so, i had a guy working on my 88 5.0 lx 5 speed and he bolted on me. He put a 01 gt computer in it and converted it to MAF. He said that ecu was tunable, is he correct?

[@christopherc3017]

Reason I went Holley had to do with the factory harness being old and knowing ford saved money by using smaller wire to build the harness. It’s why the light switches melt when running fog lights.

[@LeechMotorsports]

Factory Ford Harness > Holley Harness

[@christopherc3017]

@@LeechMotorsports I trust and use your advice. Your videos helped me dial in my fox. Is there something I should know about the Holley harness? I daily drive and have over two years on it with no problems.

[@07bluelbz]

@@LeechMotorsports new vs. New I would agree. But a 30 year old factory harness where most of the connector clips are usually broken off and several morons have hacked on it, I'd rather the Holley harness.

[@mike4fo]

Ya I got MSPNP2 and the idle is so hard to get down but it’s simple and cheap

[@Prestiged_peck]

I have one and I don't need it lol glad I still have it though

[@fastsvo]

Is it true the pimpx cannot control the EGR functions for smog?

[@mvx2133]

All the stuff going on with tuners being harder to get I’ve honestly been considering going carbureted with my fox body when I get the motor in it

[@adamcousins2459]

All of this stuff with epa crackdowns is going to force everyone back to carburetors. Because that's better for the environment Bleeping morons.