This is a wild NEW PROTOSS CHEESE! StarCraft 2

[@WhoTheLoL]

22:18 YES!!! YES!!! Bravo Skillous! I've been waiting for SOOO LONG for pro Protoss players to realize the power of FFs in conjunction with Disruptors! Those two FFs here look like they're useless but the fact that the terran bioball has to squeeze around them when running from the disruptor shot slows the bio just enough for the disruptor shot to connect. Pro Terrans are capable of dodging novas by millimeters when they have room to maneuver, but the FFs are exactly what Protoss needs to slow them down just enough to let the nova connect, like here at 22:21 . I've seen Skillous do that in another game some time ago against another terran, so nowI'm sure he does that deliberately. Bravo!

[@redsoxman2008]

Who would win? A Protoss floating city approximately 3 square kilometers in size or two stationary missile turrets?

[@Alternative-Works]

double mothership health you won't

[@justinpeterson7246]

First game was so impressive. For both players to go so long without a major mistake is crazy rare. GG

[@AG.z]

Byun walking straight into disruptos shots so many times is a major mistake imo

[@KCM25NJL]

@@AG.z I mean, arguably.... a calculated risk. Quite a few times he walked right passed the novas and took out his front line before retreating. Looked derpy, but was kinda smart

[@VenturiLife]

@@KCM25NJL He was trying to take down the disruptors themselves, so their potential hits just evaporate if that happens.

[@oldfrend]

did we watch the same game? game 1 was ass, poorly played on both sides. byun eating novas for no reason; skill constantly walking his ruptors into byun's army cuz he's not paying attention. and there were a lot more mistakes than that.

[@An_Average_Arsonist]

Byun is light years ahead of all of us, if you just put the command center above the main, you dont need to upgrade it and it becomes an infinite non detecting scan😂

[@dajosh42069]

That wasn't a MASS-RECALL... That was a MIS-RECALL!

[@clyd1206]

LMAO!! " That was not a sentence...but it was close" made me laugh so hard I scared my dog lol

[@kinglif8854]

So much SCANS available at mid-late game is a terrible idea. Scanner Sweep duration last for 12.3sec, 13 radius. No global cooldown, no range limitation, no counter, no delay. With 5 scans, you have a total 60sec of 13radius reveal, with 5 orbital, one will never deplete the mana and have extra for mules.

[@ivancolesnic]

Really highlights how unfairly efficient Terran army is. Both in shitty tier 1 units, but 1 has insane survivability

[@spudastic]

we're just going to ignore the strategy being pseudo zerg where the opponent hurled hundreds of zealots at the terran

[@benismann]

@@spudastic zealots are the true t1 units. Marines are too. What's the problem?

[@yugonostalgia8961]

@@benismann Marines are good against almost everything, have range & can hi air. Incomparable.

[@benismann]

@@yugonostalgia8961 ik, im asking spudastic why going "pseudo zerg" is bad when terran can go "pseudo zerg" and be totally fine

[@wuschu5563]

Becouse terran has cheaper t1 units? And researches multiple upgrades for them to be viable, plus builds them support units (medivacs). Zealots have one upgrade (charge) and anti-synergy with storm and disruptors...

[@NoobeyTunes]

A "Byunker", why yes I would.

[@Klyias]

those medi-vacs in game one were the real unsung heroes of byuns army. A bio army doesn't die fast enough so long as you have enough of them, even in really dire circumstances.

[@Zulu4impi]

Could you see a Protos mobile shield regulator. Say something like a Raven turret but deployed by an Oracle 5% Regen per second with a 25 second duration..

[@chloesmith4065]

​@@Zulu4impimedivacs are already better than flying shield batteries. insane hp/sec Regen.

[@tamo3329]

@@chloesmith4065 and they just don't run out of energy

[@KimmyR3]

medivac is also a free disengage from a battle - instantly loads up all of your marines, then boosts out. you don't even have to boost out for Z and P since they're tier1 units can only attack ground.

[@PassiveIncomeInvesting]

never ever stop playing that fleet beacon music

[@kinglif8854]

Nexus : Reduce 10sec of Strategic Recall, 5sec of Battery Overcharge cooldown per Nexus on the map.

[@carcharhinus_555]

Don't know why, but the more I watch these, the more I always root for the non-terran player.

[@An_Average_Arsonist]

I think its because of the game pressure mules provide, hard to root for the guy with 15 workers still matching a protoss economy of 45 probes. Command center spam is quite brain rotting

[@OnigoroshiZero]

This is natural, we always want the cheater to lose.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@An_Average_Arsonist and be allowed to have 25 army supply more because of them.

[@carcharhinus_555]

@@OnigoroshiZero LOL, made my day!

[@carcharhinus_555]

@@An_Average_Arsonist indeed, it's a bit like terran has a few cheats built in. Ofc, it's not really true (otherwise nobody could ever win against them), but between mules, the medivacs (serving as both dropships and heal spam) and seemingly unbeatable bio armies, it seems like terrans always have a followup, contrary to Z/P where transitions seem much harder.

[@Zulu4impi]

First match such a banger Saw that call Winter Skillet had it but Micro-Jackson pulled it out 💪💀👍 Oracle ability:- mobile sheild regeneration , deployment cost same as stasis ( range effect= stasis )duration 25 seconds (can be targeted= to Raven turret) 5% Regen per second. Stackable

[@WizardyDylan]

i really wanted to say byun blew the 3rd game the way skillous blew the first game so it balanced out but then skillous blew the 3rd game back, what a heartbreaker

[@natecw4164]

16:18 That graph is 100% ridiculous 😱

[@VeryBadPlayerTV]

another couple games where the medivac upgrade probably just auto wins the game.

[@raymondfindlay8070]

what was i thinking hoping to see a protoss win more than once a year

[@ypsro]

8:18 cc: cleaning team required! thaaaank you 😅😅😅😅 Oh the tears, the emotion the screams xD , this is by far the most agressive P I have seen his name: zealot xD such a good game 😂gg

[@jimmyha1898]

This reminds me of the famous "Bermuda Recall" made by Jaehoon in Broodwar, where he recalled a grand total of 1 Observer to the enemy base with his Arbiter and proceeded to lose the game.

[@MechMan0124]

8:09 - "Zealot.. will bravely stand guard, and prevent the command center from landing.. Because.. eh.. you don't want to.. uh.. scratch the paint.. by.. um.. pancaking it (squash motion).. obviously.." Hahahaha...

[@firestarter000001]

That first game was a bit frustrating to watch. Byun was 20-30 workers behind for like 5+ minutes, and he continued fighting, np problem, thanks to mules. There is no other race that can do that...

[@wuschu5563]

Not thanks to mules, thanks to protoss being a less experienced player who was scared of closing it out.

[@firestarter000001]

@@wuschu5563 Sure , not thanks to mules, show me a game where Protoss or Zerg is 20 workers behind terran and holds out for 5 minutes.

[@wuschu5563]

Put Serral or Maxpax against someone 20 ranks lower and you might just see it. Oh wait, they won't even manage to kill 20 of their workers...

[@Havoc199]

​@firestarter000001 this just show basic lack of understanding tbh. There is a reason terran gets mules. Because they have the worst eco of all 3 races. Protoss can chrono workers, zerg has massive larvae production with injects. All in all terran just has less workers than other races. Mules make up the difference. Its a part if the balancing act and more interesting than just giving terran a reskinned chrono to make workers faster. Hence the game has asymetric balance. So yes in certain situations either one has an advantage over the other. But that's part of the game. Edit: just to put into context. If there is no harrass in a standard game by 4 mins protoss has 45 workers to terrans 35 workers. Even the 2 mules from the 2 orbitals at that stage do not make up the difference. And that's if they dont save any energy for scans at all.

[@TerMi29]

Skillous tried for Major league baseball with the throw in game 1.

[@alexd.333]

Ridiculous, Protoss plays soooo much better but Terran with nothing, 4 mineral patches clinges on. It is ridiculously overpowered. Imba to the max.

[@unlearningify]

I'm confused, what was the 'new Protoss cheese'?

[@bc93632]

early game tempest mothership

[@unlearningify]

@@bc93632 He didn't have Tempests until 7 mins, the Mothership didn't come out until 11 mins.... That is not _"early game"_ and it most definitely wasn't a _cheese_

[@freebornfloor1600]

Skillous misplayed game 1 close to the end insisting on disruptors. Probably a switch back into collosus would've fared better to prevent byun from slow sieging.

[@chrispatrick4331]

Scouting command centers are the new meta 🤣

[@schratt0r676]

and the day got a little bit better

[@DanielScholtus]

57:36 EMPs feel such IMBA in situations like these. One shot and 50% of the entire enemy army's health is gone.

[@DanielScholtus]

And Protoss don't have flying mobile shield batteries like Terrans with the medivac.

[@Master-me5ed]

Terrans are so OP

[@ExecutorElassus]

I didn't want to mention it in the comments to the previous cast where it appeared, because it would have spoiled it, but I really would like to see an SC2 mod that brings BroodWar, WC3, _and_ the custom Scion races all into the SC2 engine. _Thirteen_ different races. The balance issues would be an absolute nightmare, but it would be glorious. Somebody please make it happen; I thrive on the madness.

[@overweightactor]

How do you reconcile the differences in resource types? WC uses wood and gold, which are harvested from trees and mines. Also, WC play revolves around hero characters adventuring around and getting upgrades from 3rd party mobs.

[@ExecutorElassus]

@@overweightactor There's a cast from a day or two ago using the "Azeroth meets Koprulu" mod, which brings WC3 and BW units into the SC2 engine. Apparently it works pretty well, so it's really just a matter of adding in the Scion races (which look like they're already pretty well balanced). It'd still be a nightmare to balance all of them, but I'd love to see it.

[@gentram8519]

@@ExecutorElassuswhat are the scion races? Is it sc2 or sumn else

[@ExecutorElassus]

@@gentram8519 search for "starcraft scion" and you'll find it. It's an SC2 mod with three new, distinct races with new playstyles and strategies. It looks pretty well thought out.

[@patrickstagz4699]

The most professional … the man ain’t kidding

[@MikeDeMellia]

Damn it Jimmy PAY ATTENTION!

[@FieldTechIV]

SPOILER! First match is gold standard example showing how overpowered Terran is. All they have to do is hurr durr marines and mauraders around the map.

[@firestarter000001]

It was quite frustrating to watch. How long wa Byun 20-30 workers behind and still fighing? 5-10 minutes?

[@wuschu5563]

All the protoss had to do was either stop his disruptors form wandering in, kill the planetary in top-mid or defend his mining locations. Or you know, get storm becouse byoun couldn't afford ghosts?

[@wuschu5563]

or stop suiciding into liberators and reduce the medivac count so there is no medivac for every bio unit... And becouse byoun couldn't afford to replace them.

[@thedevilneveraskstwice7027]

@@wuschu5563 bro he was blinking over the disruptor nukes for the show so for sure he must be able to use feedback before nulli

[@Belajas]

First time I see a player at least semiactively focusing supply buildings while going past them, supply blocking opponent. Why does this not happen more often in pro games? Would think a couple stutterstep attacks while passing that group of supply buildings wouldnt hurt 🤔

[@pelyphin0]

I finally clicked one of your videos (they are always in the sidebar). Your cast is very "new school" to me but I do see the quality. It was a good set of games. I don't see any cheese, though. You might be talking about the attempted mass recall? If successful, it'd be a WOL/early HOTS tactic. I've always liked to see it pulled off, though.

[@crazyjose1234]

that first game was crazy good

[@MrTickingtime]

Bro I watched a 10 minute video for you. It was about Dr. Nerukar .... how to not get burned out. Like a terran taking lazers to the face. Ur Welcome =]] Only for Winter

[@EstebanGamboaDev]

Byunker! James Joyce would be proud of this well spoken caster.

[@DK-ku4up]

Those Byunkers getting out of control.

[@DeanofDeeps]

My boy was saving his tech for game 2 😂

[@killazintrainin]

@14:20 has me dying

[@mihairo83]

So... how do you defeat ghost + MMM + Libs as Protoss? I'd be curious to find out.

[@WizardyDylan]

im convinced a storm prism should be part of it somewhere

[@Appletank8]

I think you really need air units to shoot Liberators. Enough no go zones and it becomes extremely inefficient to send ground units

[@mihairo83]

What do you think about stalkers for vikings - some carriers - a few tempests - a sentry for guardian shield + some splash damage maybe Disruptors... I don't know... My PvT is just bad. I'm really clueless. How in the world can you make this Robo + Fleet Beacon transition. It's very gas heavy. I think you can't replace the lost units and you end up broke and still lose. HTs for Feedback on the ghosts maybe? Thank you for the replies.

[@wuschu5563]

In theory it's tempest plus templar who ward away vikings with storm + choosen army. But many protoss decide to go mass stalker disruptor and try to outmanouver the terrans as libs are much less mobile than pure bio.

[@Havoc199]

Best bet? Probably a mix of phoenix, colossus, HT, zealots, tempest. Plus whatever immortals you can afford just as bodies to protect colossus.

[@orangepearlf40]

gg toss. FAiled again to be the aggressor.

[@matthewclark7955]

"Beating him with experience" HAHAHAHA you mean experience building lifts? And experience endless healing? And experience map hacks? And experience mules? Damn thats alot of experience.

[@patriancenewsom-peters7828]

Is StarCraft really this popular still?? Man, I haven't played since dial up Internet days!

[@bongkem2723]

we were there 2000 years ago !!! it's still popular and still fun when Winter cast the games ;)

[@Appletank8]

both sc and sc2 are still popular

[@Khaldryn]

The stargate shouldn't reveal which unit is being constructed. The other buildings don't.

[@DoremonUCR]

Man, how one or two moves can cost you the game. If that mothership would have warped correctly it would have been GG. ByuN would have not recovered.

[@McTerrox]

i always repeat myself but winter is the best

[@3DAntoine]

Can we at least buff shield overcharge to a non global cooldown? So annoying seeing protoss so ahead, and still unable to fight an army head on

[@thumper5555]

Or make it so that you can activate it by selecting an ability on the battery itself instead of casting the ability from the nexus onto the battery.

[@Appletank8]

wasn't it only a year ago or so when people were complaining that Protoss just activated Shield Overcharged and became unkillable?

[@3DAntoine]

I don’t see how, its easily targeted, or you can just wait it out. Idk, I hate the shield battery in general, would trade it for a photon/battery overcharge ability on the nexus again.

[@benismann]

How are those things connected? Shield overcharge doesnt help you with attacking at all?

[@Appletank8]

@@3DAntoine IIRC It was mainly the early game, where you didn't really have the unit numbers to rush in to attack the Battery without losing most of your army to the Protoss units waiting for you. If you wait it out, then the next round of macro might finish and make the fight harder.

[@fruz1378]

Tldr : NERF TERRANS ffs, do NOT BUFF them >__< wtf Blizzard !?!?

[@ymalikov]

54:31 when the mothership recall failed could you not use this as a hack because the mother ship is far away from where the units end up???

[@bothpinkysbroken]

Nice 👍

[@blue-phoenix115]

SKill threw that first game, and the 3rd.

[@laureloneiros1500]

Sure is weird that players just can’t stop throwing when they are matched against Terran, huh?

[@benismann]

3rd game was such a pain to watch. But also kinda ok at the same time. At least skill just kinda shat himself with that recall instead of taking a fight and just dying because uhhh ummm terran

[@Zandonus]

Casual banshee. Accent from Tenesee Ain't no draftee. This is StarCraft 3

[@emorimiku]

with recalls like that who needs enemies?

[@jess8766]

Byunker is avesome😂

[@SpollyTrotts]

Can someone please timestamp when the cheese happens please.

[@WizardyDylan]

like and subscribe

[@ManDuderGuy]

JIMMY!

[@thedevilneveraskstwice7027]

blinkin over disruptor nuke = yes yes yes buying HT and using feedback before nullify = never 2024 xddd

[@VictorAlyCS]

The first match was 🫨

[@Fatlinek]

Winter ... 30+35 is 65 not 55 :D

[@matthewkalamane6607]

I'm not even going to look at the players names. Terran vs Protoss.... I assume the Terran wins.... skip to the end... yup.... Terran wins.... shocked... This matchup isn't even worth watching anymore.

[@wuschu5563]

Protoss could with every game but the player threw. Maybe watch the game next time...

[@matthewkalamane6607]

@@wuschu5563 This was me accurately calling it 14 times in a row without paying attention to any details other than their respective races. When I start being wrong, I'll start watching the games again.

[@wuschu5563]

Didn't maxpax win vs clem in the PvT series just before this one, on this very channel? (two videos before this one)

[@Havoc199]

​@@matthewkalamane6607this was no 7 in the world vs no 21 in the world. That's the difference. Not balance. Also protoss is currently winning 55% of pro level games vs terran. Maybe you need to stop getting your entire perspective and bias based on a few videos that show a literal single digit of games played at pro level.

[@RazielDeTam]

After those types of games you can understand why not much protosses are at the top 😅 Just destroy his economy, where are you going?))) So bad, damn...

[@benismann]

Destroy with what exactly?

[@NoCashNoowCellWelLardGames]

SquareBow3 CurveKrisSword XboxPSStaff vs StarCraft 2

[@keep_walking_on_grass]

SC2 is not a game to relax at the weekend. It's more like hard work.

[@MUtt-fi9sn]

That recall wasn't so skillous...

[@GabrielSantos-sl9pd]

Freeeeee Jiemyeeeee

[@NaegraGHQ]

Uuuuh Terran won! What a surprise %]

[@spokoman23]

Game 1 is exactly why I stopped playing and mostly stopped watching. It shouldn't have been close and yet T won. Toss army is like squishy bugs vs the MMM ball. It's tough being a T fan.

[@markusjanzer2814]

First and winter is the best

[@typoko]

first response

[@quarantinezone2844]

First to like comments

[@EstebanGamboaDev]

First complaining you guys won me to it!

[@videonunta]

There was no cheese. The cheese is a lie!

[@niladic]

game 1 is why i don't watch sc2 anymore. how many times can you watch a player thoroughly outplay a terran player only for 25 tier 1 terran units to be too strong to fight at 30 minutes. another half video watch for me.

[@screes620]

Protoss really need to stop making disrupters at the high end. Top 10 players are just too good to build disruptors against. Make colossus, get storm, or both.

[@adamnowak294]

I wouldn't assume nobody tried that. These options are probably even less reliable and I can see why with all them ghost and vikings

[@hivetech4903]

Terrible idea. Colossus evaporate to +3 Bio (Marauders), HT are hard countered by Bio (Ghosts), and both are hard countered by Liberators. Disruptors + Tempest are a the best late game support units & pros often win when they aren't stubborn enough to ignore the Fleet Beacon.

[@screes620]

@@hivetech4903 But top 10 SC2 players have good enough micro to never get hit by disruptors ever. So while yes Colossus and tempest might be easily countered, they will at least do something where disruptors literally do nothing. Disruptors are only good against less skilled players.

[@hivetech4903]

@@screes620 That is totally wrong & backwards. MaxPax and herO are not just in the top 10, they are the rank 2 & 3 players on earth right now. Go and watch any of the top Protoss & they transition out of Colossus into Disruptors and Tempests in the late game. Colossus are a mid-game unit - its those and HT in the late game that do literally nothing because of the reasons I mentioned. Skillous is not in the top 20, ByuN is simply way better than him and it showed.

[@WizardyDylan]

i agree w/ this take, especially that storm prism style you see some players pulling out sometimes

[@mathewsmith8073]

Let me guess 1400 Likes...? 🤔

[@bolee9148]

whos skillets

[@LiamFC90]

Watching protoss toss games because they forget splash exists late game that is not a disruptor make me mad. If five of those disruptors were five colossus or he made two high templar, he wipes that bio army no problem. One storm would have done more damage than 5 minutes of that awful disruptor stalker vs bio dance.

[@Appletank8]

It does seem like Vikings really easily knock Collosi down though.

[@KimmyR3]

cols are free food for vikings that's why you don't see them. you can't even hit the vikings as they murder your cols as an added insult

[@AndrejD303]

Terran is just filthy jeeez it makes me want to stop watch it...

[@ginz9r]

Skillous disruptors are pretty bad

[@AndrejD303]

not just his... its rng generator with stupidly long reload

[@Bagelsyup]

kinda tired of seeing terrans win those positions

[@christianmathew398]

You all want a buff to Protoss that will matter?Take away WarpGate tech and force Protoss from cosplaying as Zerg in half the games

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Take the cheats (Mules and Scans) away from Terran, nerf the Ghost or replace it with 2 separate units, and they may learn to actually play at a high level. While their race is giving them free wins, they will remain bad at the game itself.

[@FidelisRaven]

I'll never understand the "I'll rather build 1000000 zealots and throw them away for nothing then advance my tech" mentality. Once terran is over 150 supply and/or has 2/2 having zealots in your main army is pointless.

[@MoonlitGamer]

They're the zerglings of Protoss. They're there to eat hits and do run-bys.

[@sheeftz]

I've seen so many times how Protoss lose to Terran despite having massive economic advantage because Protoss simply refuse to move away from zealots+stalkers+disruptors composition. MaxPax suffered a short period of time from this flaw. It's kinda of mental barrier "It worked perfectly well on the ladder against weak opponents. Why doesn't it work against top tier pro-gamers...".

[@prezzle208]

Because everything else is expensive to build. When you don't have lots of resources it's hard to build anything else. Meanwhile marines cost half as much and are viable the entire game.

[@christianmathew398]

@FidelisRaven-I always found it odd the race with the fewest members uses tech and tactics that make Zerg cringe

[@danielowens3165]

Are you a top tier protoss? No? That's what I thought.

[@mikhailcherevatskiy5735]

Most imbalanced game ever. Just disgusting.

[@WizardyDylan]

man this was on the players there were mistakes flyin back and forth, u cant just point at races like this some ai simulation

[@mikhailcherevatskiy5735]

man if terran make mistake it is never fatal while any mistake can be the the last for other races

[@WizardyDylan]

@@mikhailcherevatskiy5735 man f-ing up ur recall and losing your entire army in 2 halves is more than "any mistake"

[@mikhailcherevatskiy5735]

@@WizardyDylan man it is

[@WizardyDylan]

@@mikhailcherevatskiy5735 man yes

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@mayumibeansvt5406]

damn what a game, TERRAIN FOR LIFE!!!

[@JulesR963]

"MMM is so basic" "Can YOU do it and win? "Shut up"

[@macallanswinney186]

Soup 64

[@johnsonbra2004]

_$killuss 💫💫☄️pull💦out🤪game💦💦🤪💦my brains ave been boggled & my gasted have been flabberd

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Terran is such a cheap race.

[@SashaMv]

Hope Skilous is russian

[@Ocnain]

Disruptors just made the game unfunny to everyone.

[@davidfitcher2953]

Dude, you're born to do this, how can you talk hours and hours nonstop? Geez!

[@Jeskai_Skies]

Stalker Zealot is just such a lame army comp.

[@juztina7346]

sad

[@trobertw]

Protoss players, i ask you: Are you better off today than you were 4 balance patches ago?

[@bobby4tw]

Winter starcraft is best when you turn the volume down to zero. Because he don't contribute a single thing to the game. He is a reactive commentator (not good) and rarely proactive

[@cynicisminc]

The plural of "nexus" is "nexuses," not "nexusi." JFC.

[@milanmach2379]

Same with colossus but Greek doesn't exist online

[@ben8929]

@@milanmach2379 Colossus is latin so the plural is Colossi, in greek it would be Kolossos

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Isn’t it “nexi”?

[@thomasmitchell7815]

I used to be a terran apologist but after watching some of these new protoss players who are playing well lose to some ooga booga terran slobber monkey shit we have to tell the truth. Terran has more options and often times better options than the other two races. The terran players get to do whatever they want and everyone else has to play around it. Terran players out here getting away with murder. They just out here not really scouting and going 3 CC blind like fuck it ill just micro my catch all solution cyclone and recycle my bunker if i dont need kt