In my entire life, I have never actually seen a team get called for submitting a wrong line-up. That changed tonight, I'll take a look at that, and the history of the rule for tonight's NHL hockey video.
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@harrykatakalides4741 Жыл бұрын
been watching hockey for 40 years and i did not know this even existed. great to know. Thanks for the info
@YANILLIONAIRE Жыл бұрын
the fact it was rule 7 means someone was abusing this in the 1920's 😂
@dom5581 Жыл бұрын
Lol obviously no one played high level hockey in this chat if they didn’t know ab this
@pamelawarren5405 Жыл бұрын
It happened to the Leafs in the playoffs back early 2000s.
@goji059 Жыл бұрын
Try to keep up casual
@AntmeetsMelbourne Жыл бұрын
There used to be a rule in the 90s in minor hockey that if you were not on the sheet, you could not play. However, I'm glad the new rule is for the player that is not on the sheet is just to put their name on the sheet.
@tacothunderking4558 Жыл бұрын
Back when I played beer league this penalty came up ALL THE TIME because we were all really lazy with our lineup sheet and constantly had the wrong people on the ice. We all thought it was dumb, even the refs, because this was beer league, but "a rule's a rule and I gotta call it" was the mantra and a lot of games ended up starting 4v4.
@darranedmundson1505 Жыл бұрын
I would have thought you'd start 5v5 since in minor hockey and many beer leagues, penalties on the same stoppage of play are considered coincidental and should cancel. I can see how this would play out though: bench minor for team A gets put on the clock, bench minor for team B gets flagged and also put on the clock, ...
@chris7jakarta Жыл бұрын
in this video they explain the other team has to request a penalty for the other team. in your case you say your game started 4v4, why would you request a penalty to the ref if your own lineup is not correct?
@tacothunderking4558 Жыл бұрын
@@chris7jakarta I don't know how the rules changed in the 20 years since I played, or if it's a difference between USA Hockey and NHL rules, but it was always the scorekeeper that flagged us, not anyone on either team.
@shoknifeman2mikado135 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@fleatactical7390 Жыл бұрын
Beer league??? You're kidding, right? You've got to be kidding... no beer league can possibly take themselves that seriously.
@travisgreene29 Жыл бұрын
Hilarious timing on this too, as I coach minor hockey and JUST received a bench minor for incorrectly labeling an AP player called up to our team on our gamesheet. First time I have ever felt my own direct impact on the game as a coach, and not in a good way lol! Thanks for the great vid as always Eck!
@fleatactical7390 Жыл бұрын
You're a coach and this is the first "direct impact" you've had on a game? Might want to find another job there pal...
@liammccarthy6592 Жыл бұрын
@@fleatactical7390 lol yeah should definitely be having an impact. Hoping it's for young kids
@Effigyy Жыл бұрын
Iliterates in the replies here. Massive difference between saying it's his first direct impact on a game and saying it's the first time *he felt his own direct impact* on the game.
@liammccarthy6592 Жыл бұрын
@@Effigyy Bit pedantic but all good
@Effigyy Жыл бұрын
@@liammccarthy6592 pedantry and myself are as irrevocably linked as the NHL boys and their nose candy
@stupidvarietyhour Жыл бұрын
there was also a throwing equipment penalty in the devils-flyers game
@ColeNollavook Жыл бұрын
2002 Leafs-Isles was a hilariously-officiated series. Tucker taking out Peca’s knees, Roberts knocking out Jonsson, Cairns punching Leafs in the head every stoppage and trying to fight everyone. But the only game misconduct was for a guy whose name was written wrong, lol.
@jeffreycairns767 Жыл бұрын
I didn't punch anybody in the head. Lol. That's actually my cousin.
@Woody10719 Жыл бұрын
When hockey was actually hockey not glorified ice dancing.
@jeffreycairns767 Жыл бұрын
@@Woody10719 Thank you!!! I've been saying this for years yet everybody wants to argue that old hockey is bs and this hockey is the best. I guess some (most) people are just stupid, especially if they think today's hockey is as awesome, fun to watch or has any merits to the 80's and 90's.
@Ruddskies Жыл бұрын
He’s still there at home games lol the time. Does anyone know the back story on this legend?
@Dylan_The_Car_Dealer Жыл бұрын
Yea. He’s just a season ticket holder that’s had the same seats for years lll
@ProxyOnDiscord Жыл бұрын
@@Dylan_The_Car_Dealer Toronto was selling some sort of share or % in the leafs to everyday people back 30ish years ago. Someone in my apartment building has a plaque and a bunch of memorabilia from this time as he purchased into the leafs almost 30ish years ago with his name and stating ownership (A old boss of mine bought into a CFL football team and had one exactly like the one Toronto made my neighbor). Maybe this tanned gentleman did the same but on a much larger scale and is somewhat tied to the franchise outside of being a fan. This is all assumption based on the fact the tanned man has been around for 3 decades which would roughly set his point at the same time my neighbor bought his ownership %.
@uTubeNoITube Жыл бұрын
@@ProxyOnDiscord Interesting. What else does your neighbor get out of that exactly? Some kind of royalty? Or he just got the memorabilia because the ownership stake is like 0.0000001% ? XD
@Peep1171 Жыл бұрын
Just like Binnington’s inciting penalty I never heard of until it happened
@jacoblebold8462 Жыл бұрын
St. Louis is educating us on the rules this year.
@TheAvsFanatic Жыл бұрын
@@jacoblebold8462 St. Louis is basically becoming a School for The NHL! Rule #1: Don’t be like St. Louis (You can finish the rest)
@alexschneider8494 Жыл бұрын
This game was just all around insane lol
@thesportsgamer9472 Жыл бұрын
Been following this channel for the past few months, you are doing a fantastic job man. Amazing info and learn something new almost every time I watch your videos. Keep it up
@alwayzsmarter Жыл бұрын
Your content makes me interested in hockey because i dont want to watch 3 hours each game and u find good parts which results in well me wanting to watch 3 hour games
@griffinmaloney1931 Жыл бұрын
Once you understand hockey and are invested in a team, it's so worth it
@yolocomics5468 Жыл бұрын
I only ever watch full games during playoffs lol other than that it's just highlights from youtube
@calixa Жыл бұрын
i watch 2 three hour games per day. lol the 4pm and the 7pm. i live in Vancouver.
@fleatactical7390 Жыл бұрын
It would be the best three hours you've ever spent in front of a TV, son. Compared to the other crap on nowadays.
@fleatactical7390 Жыл бұрын
@@toke7342 Same bro. I WISH I had the free time to watch hockey.
@hacisme2456 Жыл бұрын
good job on the coaching staff of Oilers
@tearinupthec0astline Жыл бұрын
Apparently number doesn’t matter (according to the rules screenshot), so if Sebastian Aho on Canes and Islanders were on the same team, they could interchange which one goes where at game time. And if your team had only players of the same name you could always make a game time decision
@cfl9077 Жыл бұрын
so you are saying that every player should change their name to Johnny Hockey…
@colinmarshall6634 Жыл бұрын
wonder if the sedins ever did something like that
@jimb.7523 Жыл бұрын
2:00 - For a second, I thought Connor's jersey said "McDruid." lmao
@doyouknowthemossinman Жыл бұрын
lineup and starters rules are really interesting to me. i managed high school basketball for four years and was the sole reason the coach didn't take a technical when he made a last-minute starter change multiple times. interesting to see how the repercussions are different in other sports
@hefrsr Жыл бұрын
What would the repercussion be for basketball?
@doyouknowthemossinman Жыл бұрын
@@hefrsr in high school your coach takes a technical foul for any lineup mistakes. in one instance i remember my coach wanted to give one player some time in a varsity game but she wasn’t in the lineup in the scorebook because she only played JV up to that point. he took the technical and the game continued. (iirc 2 technicals on a coach gets them thrown out of the game, but besides scorebook mistakes the only other way for a coach to get a technical is if the ref gives them one for behavior or language.) the other team gets one free throw and possession of the ball each time your team takes a technical.
@sclemson8541 Жыл бұрын
always been interested in this, and how coaches know when the other coach is throwing out specific guys. mostly, when that line brawl happens right at puck drop. i think this is an awesome rule and a great catch buy the coach
@abekor70 Жыл бұрын
I love that Eck promotes the game better than the NHL marketing team 😂
@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the hatred the Flames and Canucks had many years ago in a game. The teams started their 4th liners and a line brawl happened as a result. Both coaches were suspended that night due to their conduct. Not the same, but I still wanted to mention that.
@bscranton04 Жыл бұрын
That's funny about the same spectator that sits right behind the Leaf's coach. The exact same thing exists but in Calgary, there's a couple that must be die hard fans because they have had the same seats right behind Sutter for as long as I can remember
@lukek8684 Жыл бұрын
This is extremely common in minor hockey, happened to my team so many times In AAA. Especially when trying to make line changes as an away team having to go first but when it’s “too late”
@cooperbattersby6255 Жыл бұрын
So surprised you brought up the two old fellas behind the bench I had no clue they were there in 2002 lmao
@cjvs1604 Жыл бұрын
Leafs/Sens had a playoff game where this happened, 2004 I think. Pat Quinn put "21 - Renberg" on the game sheet instead of "21 - Reichel". Leafs got the penalty, and Reichel couldn't play. The Leafs still won the game.
@scottnoah9811 Жыл бұрын
This also happened to the Blues in early 1997, in a game at Buffalo. It occurred after the Blues had just fired their coach and an interim coach was heading the bench.
@Noah32355 Жыл бұрын
Does Eck reply?
@EckHockey Жыл бұрын
Occasionally
@NHLinden Жыл бұрын
@@EckHockey I find your lack of replies disturbing
@Noah32355 Жыл бұрын
@@EckHockey Since you replied I’ll give you a sub
@headlights-go-up Жыл бұрын
@@EckHockey IMPOSTER
@JustMikeDotTv Жыл бұрын
A few years ago when Bruce Boudreau was the Minnesota Wild coach he accidentally healthy scratched Greg Pateryn for Ryan Donato. It was a game against Pittsburgh in January 2020.
@TheCymbalProject Жыл бұрын
Those new Oiler uniforms are really slick (no pun intended). They reminded me of the updated Blackhawks jerseys from the 2009 Winter classic.
@alecbader7433 Жыл бұрын
I thought that everyone figured out halfway through last season that the best way to beat the Oilers is to be very, very disciplined and not take penalties. That a team committed three *bench minors* against them is crazy.
@grahamdamberger7130 Жыл бұрын
And yet St Louis still won because Edmonton has a #1 defenseman who doesn't know the first thing about playing in the defensive zone.
@Brandontroll Жыл бұрын
I sat right next to that guy behind the bench at a leafs vs san jose game in october of '21. He's still around, dunno about this year though
@GoJamesBrownChannel Жыл бұрын
I was worried about him also. I always called him the Greek Colonel Sanders (I know I shouldn't stereotype). Hope he is doing well :)
@Sadokist Жыл бұрын
Refereed lacrosse for years and this was also something we had to have the score keepers check (it was on their list of game duties). We'd see people write in the wrong jersey numbers all the time, which would be a problem if something were to go to a hearing due to suspension (the wrong player would be summoned). I never issued a penalty for it. I usually just had each coach amend it during warmup. However if I also missed it, and the score keeper didn't check, it was a bench minor, as you see here.
@DomskiPlays Жыл бұрын
Damn Sado didn't expect to find you here at all! I never knew you had a proper youtube channel either but that's cool. Definitely a very specific penalty we see here, thanks for the anecdote!
@nonsensefam Жыл бұрын
In Minor Hockey (OMHA) the opposing team had a suspended player on their game sheet (By mistake) and ended up having to forfeit the game. Wonder if that would happen in the NHL as well?
@caprad Жыл бұрын
I once worked for a professional indoor soccer team...and one of my pre-game duties was to do exactly that. To look for a mistake in the other teams line-up card. I'd inform the GM and Coach...and as soon as the ineligible player stepped on the floor, we'd call the ref over.
@keithsal7524 Жыл бұрын
That fan with the goatee behind the Leafs bench owns The Octagon Steakhouse in Thornhill. I haven’t been there in a while but he was there a few years back.
@iFix737 Жыл бұрын
Saw this in the '21-'22 ECHL season, my friend and I were confused (both big hockey fans), until he looked it up. Crazy to see it in the NHL now too
@cheweebecca3697 Жыл бұрын
1993 Canucks. Head Coach/GM Pat Quinn just traded Dixon Ward to LA for Jimmy Carson, both wore #17. Quinn had #17 down as Dixon Ward, so Carson ended up a healthy scratch.
@imthinkingRBs Жыл бұрын
Fascinating video. Also my favourite moniker for that season ticket holder is the Tanning Bed King lol
@garygemmell3488 Жыл бұрын
Every sport has rules in regard to it's lineups except for football. There is no exchange of lineup cards in football. I used to work baseball and softball. One weekend during an ASA fastpitch tournament I had the plate for the last game of the evening on a Saturday night. The exchange of lineup cards goes like this: The visiting team gives the plate umpire a copy of their lineup, the plate umpire looks it over to see that there are no obvious mistakes like not having the correct amount of players in the starting lineup. The PU then asks the visiting coach if this is the lineup he wants and we allow him to inspect it one last time. If he says yes we tender him a copy and his lineup is now official. Lather, rinse, repeat with the home team. When I get both lineups approved by the coaches the game is now officially started for lack of a better term. That night at this point, the sprinkler system came on and there was no one from the city to turn them off. The game had to be suspended and postponed and started before Sunday's morning round of games. Both lineups were now official and any changes the coaches needed to make at 7AM while still half asleep the next morning counted as official substitutions.
@travisgibson7341 Жыл бұрын
This actually happened in a regular season game in the early 2000s against the Oilers. The Stars put the wrong starting goalie in (basically mislabeled), scored within 30 seconds and then the goal was actually taken away. I wonder if the rule was updated after that?
@LaSeSiS Жыл бұрын
this is a similar rule to hitting out of order in baseball, cool to see sports with similar rules!
@FaceStuffer Жыл бұрын
It shocked me to see it live as well! Thanks for explaining how it worked.
@powwowken2760 Жыл бұрын
I was gonna mention the Leafs thing, glad I watched till the end... Also that guy having the same behind the bench Leafs tickets for 30 years is a damn flex and a half, do you know much money those things go for?!
@silverchungus Жыл бұрын
There Is also a lady that sits behind Darryl Sutter for ages. She is there almost every game
@jimmycharest4231 Жыл бұрын
Another super rare penalty happen last night in the Flyers vs Devils game for Tossing equipment
@paulm3481 Жыл бұрын
Happened all the time in the old MTHL league.Especially in the triple AAA .
@BigGoldChungus Жыл бұрын
Woodcroft and his team are so good at challenges you can see the look of defeat in our opponents eyes even before the call is made, if he calls an offside challenge I think since Woody became coach I've seen 1 failed challenge.
@maxmartin2763 Жыл бұрын
Tanned guy behind Leaf bench? He's Ken Stathakis. He owns a famous steakhouse in Toronto. He was really close to Steve Stavros, former Leaf owner via the Greek business community. He was a frequent guest of Stavros at games. Stavros died in 2006. One rumor says Ken bought 2 of the 4 seats owned by the Stavros Estate. The other is the Stavros family just gives him 2 seats whenever he asks for them.
@codycaccia262 Жыл бұрын
Still won!!! Lol thanks for the two points!
@bigred1032 Жыл бұрын
And still came out with the win. Crazy game
@jamessteers Жыл бұрын
This is because there is no line change procedure before a game. Each and every play the home team gets last change so this is supposed to take up that first face off
@thomasauger1363 Жыл бұрын
You should check out Nick Suzuki’s hit on Kadri when the Canadiens faced off against the Flames. I don’t think he should have gotten a penalty.
@dustinbright2970 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen where a team played a player for multiple games and the player was ineligible. They had to forfeit several games they won. Happened to the Bakersfield Condors
@Pale_Nomad Жыл бұрын
thats quite a odd rule. if anything it seems rather excessive so hypothetically lets say a Goalie get injured (we had a similar incident during the 1st leg of the steelers/Devils challenge cup quarter final. the cardiff devils goalie Ben Bowns was swapped at short notice after sustaining a injury during the warm up ) and the starting goalie has to be swapped out. should the Devils been issued with a bench minor penalty?
@crystal.starr0 Жыл бұрын
I remember something like this happened before. Maybe it was a player that was dressed late. I dont know. I think it involved Dadanov.
@psyko21o2 Жыл бұрын
That second Too Many Men was an incorect call
@jimedge8301 Жыл бұрын
Referees are suppose to uphold this rule in all levels of hockey,most refs when doing their job would say to the coach before dropping the puck ,starting lineup doesn't look right ,giving them a chance to fix.
@Aryon1969 Жыл бұрын
This is somewhat common in baseball but I never knew it was a thing in hockey. Very interesting.
@ZZSmithReal Жыл бұрын
I've been watching hockey since the early 1970s and I've seen games where this was called. It's rare but once in a while it pops up.
@TylerBingBong Жыл бұрын
Strange game at the beginning and end, it was a really good game to watch.
@sandystenhouse5136 Жыл бұрын
As a linesman I hate memorizing the starting numbers until the first stoppage!
@brudergustavo7845 Жыл бұрын
Such a rule is fairly common in many teamsportarts, though the punishment may deviate.
@vangelis7 Жыл бұрын
So I remember that if a player who wasnt on the card was playing and found out, he would be sent off, perhaps I remember it from the Leafs clip you showed from 2002. I actually didnt know it was a minor penalty
@nolanbramhill4906 Жыл бұрын
I was at a hockey game a while ago and a penalty called "face-off encroachment" was called. From searching it up I think I remember it is when you get too close to the puck drop 3 times
@juddhaven Жыл бұрын
I was at this game, it was extremely funny. Stl actually took 3 bench minors in a row. I don't remember ever seeing 3 in a row, especially with the one described, in my time watching the game. Berubes reaction after the 2nd penalty was priceless.
@orbyfan Жыл бұрын
I recall this happening to the Bruins in the playoffs circa 1974, but I've been unable to find it in Hockey Reference, so I may be mistaken.
@ryanreeves8931 Жыл бұрын
Haven’t seen this since the 90s. There was a wings game back then where some team was assessed the penalty. Good ole Scotty Bowman to figure it out.
@michaelmaier5565 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this happen once before. In the late 90s between Edmonton and Dallas. I remember Dallas scoring and the goal being disallowed.
@michaelporada8891 Жыл бұрын
been watching hockey for 90 years and i did not know this even existed. great to know. Thanks for the info
@TayR0C Жыл бұрын
Lol 😆
@colinmarshall6634 Жыл бұрын
I've been watching for 150 years and didn't know either
@EskimoClay1 Жыл бұрын
Been watching for 90 seconds and I knew
@darroon1881 Жыл бұрын
something like this happened in my b house game where our team submitted an old list of people where one person wasnt on the team at the time so when they noticed that they kicked him out of the game, however there was no penalty called
@sazook Жыл бұрын
A few years ago, wasn't there a lineup issue where a team (Montreal?) forgot to officially call up a player from the AHL and then started him when he was still technically an AHL player?
@toddsutton5672 Жыл бұрын
This also happened to the wild, i dont recall if it was this year or last spring. but the list had someone scratched that played and had to leave the game.
@Barbossa778 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been getting more and more into hockey, and went to the local ECHL game last night, Atlanta Gladiators VS Greenville Swamp Rabbits. The goalie, Parker, just stood up and checked an opposing skater attempting to fit the puck in the crease right in front of the goal. It was a crazy moment, and in my short time as a hockey fan I’ve never seen anything like it
@sloanreid1175 Жыл бұрын
im pretty sure this happened in a ducks canucks game a few years ago. only time i would ever watch those two teams play
@Xirik-Alansei Жыл бұрын
another rare penalty that happened that night was Huala tossing his stick to his defensemen who broke his. Tossing or throw equipment is against the rules and a penalty was called.
@SorokingProd30 Жыл бұрын
The oilers and blues had a crazy game it seems like
@hawksterzzz Жыл бұрын
I knew of the penalty, it only applies to when the starting lineup is incorrect. A similar incident had happened before during a Sharks game (I don’t remember who they played) and they submitted an incorrect roster report but I don’t believe the starting lineup was wrong. What ended up happening was that the incorrectly inserted player was sent back to the locker room and no penalty was assessed
@ironcladmeatrag Жыл бұрын
Baseball has a near similar rule too. Seen it called a couple time.
@jonmendelson1104 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly the same situation, but January 11, 2017 the Sharks listed Mirco Mueller as a scratch but substituted him in for Paul Martin late without updating the lineup. Mueller had played a nice 69 seconds that was briefly credited to Paul Martin. They didn't get a penalty, just had to play with 5 D for the rest of the game.
@FlightDreamer2 Жыл бұрын
Can someone please explain how Torts didn't know who Calgary was going to send out against Van when they had the opening line brawl?? I mean... Great TV when he tried to fight his way into the Flames dressing room during the 1st intermission.
@JakeTV370 Жыл бұрын
pretty sure the sharks had this happen to them in a game against the flames a few years ago
@r.five.3 Жыл бұрын
Do you think Connoly deserved a 4game suspension for the Dallas hit? What's ur opinion on it. I'm all for concussion protection but 4 games???
@axivoNk Жыл бұрын
was waiting for ur coverage on this lets goo
@rogerpowers3891 Жыл бұрын
College hockey has had this rule too
@deleteduser6074 Жыл бұрын
this has happened a fair amount of times in the playoffs in the past
@patrickwall8517 Жыл бұрын
Blue's coach Craig Berube took the blame for this penalty. Despite all of this the Blues did wind up winning in overtime.
@jimbobogie8204 Жыл бұрын
Those Edmonton unis look more like Ottawa! Enough already! Either light blue and orange or orange and blue (the original!)
@thecflsaskatchewanroughrid8848 Жыл бұрын
That overtime from lean should count and game over 😊
@yolocomics5468 Жыл бұрын
I remember this happened with Sheldon Keefe when he was coaching the Marlies
@makeupwithsandra5801 Жыл бұрын
In your previous video you should include McDavids comments on the end chaos
@murdechoc Жыл бұрын
I have seen this in the NHL a few years ago, but yeah it's pretty rare
@fndmntl5341 Жыл бұрын
Lol yea I had no idea either. I thought it was kinda stupid at first, but if you don't enforce it, people will just keep switching lines to go against the other guy lol
@huohization Жыл бұрын
So last night was a night of weird penalties then. Haula got a penalty for throwing his stick to his D-man who broke his stick. Never knew throwing your equipment was penalty worthy, at least in that sense.
@thatonewriter8043 Жыл бұрын
It's probably technically against that rule, but I imagine it got called there just because there were Flyers in the area. It seems "correct", but ticky-tacky to me. I don't think I would have called it unless it hit a Flyer.
@fabledub Жыл бұрын
Its happened in the last few years to another team Edmonton played... Anaheim maybe?
@filipbrekke9565 Жыл бұрын
Do a vid about zuccarello. He did a hattrick against blackhawks and scored an amazing (and controversial) goal earlier this week
@thecflsaskatchewanroughrid8848 Жыл бұрын
Why the goals don’t wear neck guards guards
@C_Colter57 Жыл бұрын
That's crazy.
@5pqrt5t3r6 Жыл бұрын
Toronto was getting back at Edmonton for being fastidious when they cancelled the OT goal
@davemercer4779 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen this a few times once with The Leafs when playing Ottawa and the player had to leave the game against Ottawa
@codekhalil6437 Жыл бұрын
This is as ball hockey as it gets
@daryljohnson6738 Жыл бұрын
One of the few advantages of home ice, the only other I know is they get the last change on face-offs.
@untexan Жыл бұрын
It’s really an extension of the same rule, just this time it’s before the first faceoff of the game.
@talcaron17 Жыл бұрын
This happened a few years ago with like the sharks or ducks and the guy got kicked idk if they got a pen though
@talcat8031 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen this happen before and remember being like what happened? It was a red wings game back when pavel datsyuk was playing
@FusionBanana4272 Жыл бұрын
ECK HOW DID I NOT KNOW YOU HAD A HOCKEY CHANNEL WTF