This is an EXTREMELY rare penalty

In my entire life, I have never actually seen a team get called for submitting a wrong line-up. That changed tonight, I'll take a look at that, and the history of the rule for tonight's NHL hockey video.

[@harrykatakalides4741]

been watching hockey for 40 years and i did not know this even existed. great to know. Thanks for the info

[@YANILLIONAIRE]

the fact it was rule 7 means someone was abusing this in the 1920's 😂

[@dom5581]

Lol obviously no one played high level hockey in this chat if they didn’t know ab this

[@pamelawarren5405]

It happened to the Leafs in the playoffs back early 2000s.

[@goji059]

Try to keep up casual

[@AntmeetsMelbourne]

There used to be a rule in the 90s in minor hockey that if you were not on the sheet, you could not play. However, I'm glad the new rule is for the player that is not on the sheet is just to put their name on the sheet.

[@tacothunderking4558]

Back when I played beer league this penalty came up ALL THE TIME because we were all really lazy with our lineup sheet and constantly had the wrong people on the ice. We all thought it was dumb, even the refs, because this was beer league, but "a rule's a rule and I gotta call it" was the mantra and a lot of games ended up starting 4v4.

[@darranedmundson1505]

I would have thought you'd start 5v5 since in minor hockey and many beer leagues, penalties on the same stoppage of play are considered coincidental and should cancel. I can see how this would play out though: bench minor for team A gets put on the clock, bench minor for team B gets flagged and also put on the clock, ...

[@chris7jakarta]

in this video they explain the other team has to request a penalty for the other team. in your case you say your game started 4v4, why would you request a penalty to the ref if your own lineup is not correct?

[@tacothunderking4558]

@@chris7jakarta I don't know how the rules changed in the 20 years since I played, or if it's a difference between USA Hockey and NHL rules, but it was always the scorekeeper that flagged us, not anyone on either team.

[@shoknifeman2mikado135]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fleatactical7390]

Beer league??? You're kidding, right? You've got to be kidding... no beer league can possibly take themselves that seriously.

[@travisgreene29]

Hilarious timing on this too, as I coach minor hockey and JUST received a bench minor for incorrectly labeling an AP player called up to our team on our gamesheet. First time I have ever felt my own direct impact on the game as a coach, and not in a good way lol! Thanks for the great vid as always Eck!

[@fleatactical7390]

You're a coach and this is the first "direct impact" you've had on a game? Might want to find another job there pal...

[@liammccarthy6592]

@@fleatactical7390 lol yeah should definitely be having an impact. Hoping it's for young kids

[@Effigyy]

Iliterates in the replies here. Massive difference between saying it's his first direct impact on a game and saying it's the first time *he felt his own direct impact* on the game.

[@liammccarthy6592]

@@Effigyy Bit pedantic but all good

[@Effigyy]

@@liammccarthy6592 pedantry and myself are as irrevocably linked as the NHL boys and their nose candy

[@stupidvarietyhour]

there was also a throwing equipment penalty in the devils-flyers game

[@ColeNollavook]

2002 Leafs-Isles was a hilariously-officiated series. Tucker taking out Peca’s knees, Roberts knocking out Jonsson, Cairns punching Leafs in the head every stoppage and trying to fight everyone. But the only game misconduct was for a guy whose name was written wrong, lol.

[@jeffreycairns767]

I didn't punch anybody in the head. Lol. That's actually my cousin.

[@Woody10719]

When hockey was actually hockey not glorified ice dancing.

[@jeffreycairns767]

@@Woody10719 Thank you!!! I've been saying this for years yet everybody wants to argue that old hockey is bs and this hockey is the best. I guess some (most) people are just stupid, especially if they think today's hockey is as awesome, fun to watch or has any merits to the 80's and 90's.

[@Ruddskies]

He’s still there at home games lol the time. Does anyone know the back story on this legend?

[@Dylan_The_Car_Dealer]

Yea. He’s just a season ticket holder that’s had the same seats for years lll

[@ProxyOnDiscord]

@@Dylan_The_Car_Dealer Toronto was selling some sort of share or % in the leafs to everyday people back 30ish years ago. Someone in my apartment building has a plaque and a bunch of memorabilia from this time as he purchased into the leafs almost 30ish years ago with his name and stating ownership (A old boss of mine bought into a CFL football team and had one exactly like the one Toronto made my neighbor). Maybe this tanned gentleman did the same but on a much larger scale and is somewhat tied to the franchise outside of being a fan. This is all assumption based on the fact the tanned man has been around for 3 decades which would roughly set his point at the same time my neighbor bought his ownership %.

[@uTubeNoITube]

@@ProxyOnDiscord Interesting. What else does your neighbor get out of that exactly? Some kind of royalty? Or he just got the memorabilia because the ownership stake is like 0.0000001% ? XD

[@Peep1171]

Just like Binnington’s inciting penalty I never heard of until it happened

[@jacoblebold8462]

St. Louis is educating us on the rules this year.

[@TheAvsFanatic]

@@jacoblebold8462 St. Louis is basically becoming a School for The NHL! Rule #1: Don’t be like St. Louis (You can finish the rest)

[@alexschneider8494]

This game was just all around insane lol

[@thesportsgamer9472]

Been following this channel for the past few months, you are doing a fantastic job man. Amazing info and learn something new almost every time I watch your videos. Keep it up

[@alwayzsmarter]

Your content makes me interested in hockey because i dont want to watch 3 hours each game and u find good parts which results in well me wanting to watch 3 hour games

[@griffinmaloney1931]

Once you understand hockey and are invested in a team, it's so worth it

[@yolocomics5468]

I only ever watch full games during playoffs lol other than that it's just highlights from youtube

[@calixa]

i watch 2 three hour games per day. lol the 4pm and the 7pm. i live in Vancouver.

[@fleatactical7390]

It would be the best three hours you've ever spent in front of a TV, son. Compared to the other crap on nowadays.

[@fleatactical7390]

@@toke7342 Same bro. I WISH I had the free time to watch hockey.

[@hacisme2456]

good job on the coaching staff of Oilers

[@tearinupthec0astline]

Apparently number doesn’t matter (according to the rules screenshot), so if Sebastian Aho on Canes and Islanders were on the same team, they could interchange which one goes where at game time. And if your team had only players of the same name you could always make a game time decision

[@cfl9077]

so you are saying that every player should change their name to Johnny Hockey…

[@colinmarshall6634]

wonder if the sedins ever did something like that

[@jimb.7523]

2:00 - For a second, I thought Connor's jersey said "McDruid." lmao

[@doyouknowthemossinman]

lineup and starters rules are really interesting to me. i managed high school basketball for four years and was the sole reason the coach didn't take a technical when he made a last-minute starter change multiple times. interesting to see how the repercussions are different in other sports

[@hefrsr]

What would the repercussion be for basketball?

[@doyouknowthemossinman]

@@hefrsr in high school your coach takes a technical foul for any lineup mistakes. in one instance i remember my coach wanted to give one player some time in a varsity game but she wasn’t in the lineup in the scorebook because she only played JV up to that point. he took the technical and the game continued. (iirc 2 technicals on a coach gets them thrown out of the game, but besides scorebook mistakes the only other way for a coach to get a technical is if the ref gives them one for behavior or language.) the other team gets one free throw and possession of the ball each time your team takes a technical.

[@sclemson8541]

always been interested in this, and how coaches know when the other coach is throwing out specific guys. mostly, when that line brawl happens right at puck drop. i think this is an awesome rule and a great catch buy the coach

[@abekor70]

I love that Eck promotes the game better than the NHL marketing team 😂

[@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000]

This reminds me of the hatred the Flames and Canucks had many years ago in a game. The teams started their 4th liners and a line brawl happened as a result. Both coaches were suspended that night due to their conduct. Not the same, but I still wanted to mention that.

[@bscranton04]

That's funny about the same spectator that sits right behind the Leaf's coach. The exact same thing exists but in Calgary, there's a couple that must be die hard fans because they have had the same seats right behind Sutter for as long as I can remember

[@lukek8684]

This is extremely common in minor hockey, happened to my team so many times In AAA. Especially when trying to make line changes as an away team having to go first but when it’s “too late”

[@cooperbattersby6255]

So surprised you brought up the two old fellas behind the bench I had no clue they were there in 2002 lmao

[@cjvs1604]

Leafs/Sens had a playoff game where this happened, 2004 I think. Pat Quinn put "21 - Renberg" on the game sheet instead of "21 - Reichel". Leafs got the penalty, and Reichel couldn't play. The Leafs still won the game.

[@scottnoah9811]

This also happened to the Blues in early 1997, in a game at Buffalo. It occurred after the Blues had just fired their coach and an interim coach was heading the bench.

[@Noah32355]

Does Eck reply?

[@EckHockey]

Occasionally

[@NHLinden]

@@EckHockey I find your lack of replies disturbing

[@Noah32355]

@@EckHockey Since you replied I’ll give you a sub

[@headlights-go-up]

@@EckHockey IMPOSTER

[@JustMikeDotTv]

A few years ago when Bruce Boudreau was the Minnesota Wild coach he accidentally healthy scratched Greg Pateryn for Ryan Donato. It was a game against Pittsburgh in January 2020.

[@TheCymbalProject]

Those new Oiler uniforms are really slick (no pun intended). They reminded me of the updated Blackhawks jerseys from the 2009 Winter classic.

[@alecbader7433]

I thought that everyone figured out halfway through last season that the best way to beat the Oilers is to be very, very disciplined and not take penalties. That a team committed three *bench minors* against them is crazy.

[@grahamdamberger7130]

And yet St Louis still won because Edmonton has a #1 defenseman who doesn't know the first thing about playing in the defensive zone.

[@Brandontroll]

I sat right next to that guy behind the bench at a leafs vs san jose game in october of '21. He's still around, dunno about this year though

[@GoJamesBrownChannel]

I was worried about him also. I always called him the Greek Colonel Sanders (I know I shouldn't stereotype). Hope he is doing well :)

[@Sadokist]

Refereed lacrosse for years and this was also something we had to have the score keepers check (it was on their list of game duties). We'd see people write in the wrong jersey numbers all the time, which would be a problem if something were to go to a hearing due to suspension (the wrong player would be summoned). I never issued a penalty for it. I usually just had each coach amend it during warmup. However if I also missed it, and the score keeper didn't check, it was a bench minor, as you see here.

[@DomskiPlays]

Damn Sado didn't expect to find you here at all! I never knew you had a proper youtube channel either but that's cool. Definitely a very specific penalty we see here, thanks for the anecdote!

[@nonsensefam]

In Minor Hockey (OMHA) the opposing team had a suspended player on their game sheet (By mistake) and ended up having to forfeit the game. Wonder if that would happen in the NHL as well?

[@caprad]

I once worked for a professional indoor soccer team...and one of my pre-game duties was to do exactly that. To look for a mistake in the other teams line-up card. I'd inform the GM and Coach...and as soon as the ineligible player stepped on the floor, we'd call the ref over.

[@keithsal7524]

That fan with the goatee behind the Leafs bench owns The Octagon Steakhouse in Thornhill. I haven’t been there in a while but he was there a few years back.

[@iFix737]

Saw this in the '21-'22 ECHL season, my friend and I were confused (both big hockey fans), until he looked it up. Crazy to see it in the NHL now too

[@cheweebecca3697]

1993 Canucks. Head Coach/GM Pat Quinn just traded Dixon Ward to LA for Jimmy Carson, both wore #17. Quinn had #17 down as Dixon Ward, so Carson ended up a healthy scratch.

[@imthinkingRBs]

Fascinating video. Also my favourite moniker for that season ticket holder is the Tanning Bed King lol

[@garygemmell3488]

Every sport has rules in regard to it's lineups except for football. There is no exchange of lineup cards in football. I used to work baseball and softball. One weekend during an ASA fastpitch tournament I had the plate for the last game of the evening on a Saturday night. The exchange of lineup cards goes like this: The visiting team gives the plate umpire a copy of their lineup, the plate umpire looks it over to see that there are no obvious mistakes like not having the correct amount of players in the starting lineup. The PU then asks the visiting coach if this is the lineup he wants and we allow him to inspect it one last time. If he says yes we tender him a copy and his lineup is now official. Lather, rinse, repeat with the home team. When I get both lineups approved by the coaches the game is now officially started for lack of a better term. That night at this point, the sprinkler system came on and there was no one from the city to turn them off. The game had to be suspended and postponed and started before Sunday's morning round of games. Both lineups were now official and any changes the coaches needed to make at 7AM while still half asleep the next morning counted as official substitutions.

[@travisgibson7341]

This actually happened in a regular season game in the early 2000s against the Oilers. The Stars put the wrong starting goalie in (basically mislabeled), scored within 30 seconds and then the goal was actually taken away. I wonder if the rule was updated after that?

[@LaSeSiS]

this is a similar rule to hitting out of order in baseball, cool to see sports with similar rules!

[@FaceStuffer]

It shocked me to see it live as well! Thanks for explaining how it worked.

[@powwowken2760]

I was gonna mention the Leafs thing, glad I watched till the end... Also that guy having the same behind the bench Leafs tickets for 30 years is a damn flex and a half, do you know much money those things go for?!

[@silverchungus]

There Is also a lady that sits behind Darryl Sutter for ages. She is there almost every game

[@jimmycharest4231]

Another super rare penalty happen last night in the Flyers vs Devils game for Tossing equipment

[@paulm3481]

Happened all the time in the old MTHL league.Especially in the triple AAA .

[@BigGoldChungus]

Woodcroft and his team are so good at challenges you can see the look of defeat in our opponents eyes even before the call is made, if he calls an offside challenge I think since Woody became coach I've seen 1 failed challenge.

[@maxmartin2763]

Tanned guy behind Leaf bench? He's Ken Stathakis. He owns a famous steakhouse in Toronto. He was really close to Steve Stavros, former Leaf owner via the Greek business community. He was a frequent guest of Stavros at games. Stavros died in 2006. One rumor says Ken bought 2 of the 4 seats owned by the Stavros Estate. The other is the Stavros family just gives him 2 seats whenever he asks for them.

[@codycaccia262]

Still won!!! Lol thanks for the two points!

[@bigred1032]

And still came out with the win. Crazy game

[@jamessteers]

This is because there is no line change procedure before a game. Each and every play the home team gets last change so this is supposed to take up that first face off

[@thomasauger1363]

You should check out Nick Suzuki’s hit on Kadri when the Canadiens faced off against the Flames. I don’t think he should have gotten a penalty.

[@dustinbright2970]

I’ve seen where a team played a player for multiple games and the player was ineligible. They had to forfeit several games they won. Happened to the Bakersfield Condors

[@Pale_Nomad]

thats quite a odd rule. if anything it seems rather excessive so hypothetically lets say a Goalie get injured (we had a similar incident during the 1st leg of the steelers/Devils challenge cup quarter final. the cardiff devils goalie Ben Bowns was swapped at short notice after sustaining a injury during the warm up ) and the starting goalie has to be swapped out. should the Devils been issued with a bench minor penalty?

[@crystal.starr0]

I remember something like this happened before. Maybe it was a player that was dressed late. I dont know. I think it involved Dadanov.

[@psyko21o2]

That second Too Many Men was an incorect call

[@jimedge8301]

Referees are suppose to uphold this rule in all levels of hockey,most refs when doing their job would say to the coach before dropping the puck ,starting lineup doesn't look right ,giving them a chance to fix.

[@Aryon1969]

This is somewhat common in baseball but I never knew it was a thing in hockey. Very interesting.

[@ZZSmithReal]

I've been watching hockey since the early 1970s and I've seen games where this was called. It's rare but once in a while it pops up.

[@TylerBingBong]

Strange game at the beginning and end, it was a really good game to watch.

[@sandystenhouse5136]

As a linesman I hate memorizing the starting numbers until the first stoppage!

[@brudergustavo7845]

Such a rule is fairly common in many teamsportarts, though the punishment may deviate.

[@vangelis7]

So I remember that if a player who wasnt on the card was playing and found out, he would be sent off, perhaps I remember it from the Leafs clip you showed from 2002. I actually didnt know it was a minor penalty

[@nolanbramhill4906]

I was at a hockey game a while ago and a penalty called "face-off encroachment" was called. From searching it up I think I remember it is when you get too close to the puck drop 3 times

[@juddhaven]

I was at this game, it was extremely funny. Stl actually took 3 bench minors in a row. I don't remember ever seeing 3 in a row, especially with the one described, in my time watching the game. Berubes reaction after the 2nd penalty was priceless.

[@orbyfan]

I recall this happening to the Bruins in the playoffs circa 1974, but I've been unable to find it in Hockey Reference, so I may be mistaken.

[@ryanreeves8931]

Haven’t seen this since the 90s. There was a wings game back then where some team was assessed the penalty. Good ole Scotty Bowman to figure it out.

[@michaelmaier5565]

I remember seeing this happen once before. In the late 90s between Edmonton and Dallas. I remember Dallas scoring and the goal being disallowed.

[@michaelporada8891]

been watching hockey for 90 years and i did not know this even existed. great to know. Thanks for the info

[@TayR0C]

Lol 😆

[@colinmarshall6634]

I've been watching for 150 years and didn't know either

[@EskimoClay1]

Been watching for 90 seconds and I knew

[@darroon1881]

something like this happened in my b house game where our team submitted an old list of people where one person wasnt on the team at the time so when they noticed that they kicked him out of the game, however there was no penalty called

[@sazook]

A few years ago, wasn't there a lineup issue where a team (Montreal?) forgot to officially call up a player from the AHL and then started him when he was still technically an AHL player?

[@toddsutton5672]

This also happened to the wild, i dont recall if it was this year or last spring. but the list had someone scratched that played and had to leave the game.

[@Barbossa778]

I’ve been getting more and more into hockey, and went to the local ECHL game last night, Atlanta Gladiators VS Greenville Swamp Rabbits. The goalie, Parker, just stood up and checked an opposing skater attempting to fit the puck in the crease right in front of the goal. It was a crazy moment, and in my short time as a hockey fan I’ve never seen anything like it

[@sloanreid1175]

im pretty sure this happened in a ducks canucks game a few years ago. only time i would ever watch those two teams play

[@Xirik-Alansei]

another rare penalty that happened that night was Huala tossing his stick to his defensemen who broke his. Tossing or throw equipment is against the rules and a penalty was called.

[@SorokingProd30]

The oilers and blues had a crazy game it seems like

[@hawksterzzz]

I knew of the penalty, it only applies to when the starting lineup is incorrect. A similar incident had happened before during a Sharks game (I don’t remember who they played) and they submitted an incorrect roster report but I don’t believe the starting lineup was wrong. What ended up happening was that the incorrectly inserted player was sent back to the locker room and no penalty was assessed

[@ironcladmeatrag]

Baseball has a near similar rule too. Seen it called a couple time.

[@jonmendelson1104]

Not exactly the same situation, but January 11, 2017 the Sharks listed Mirco Mueller as a scratch but substituted him in for Paul Martin late without updating the lineup. Mueller had played a nice 69 seconds that was briefly credited to Paul Martin. They didn't get a penalty, just had to play with 5 D for the rest of the game.

[@FlightDreamer2]

Can someone please explain how Torts didn't know who Calgary was going to send out against Van when they had the opening line brawl?? I mean... Great TV when he tried to fight his way into the Flames dressing room during the 1st intermission.

[@JakeTV370]

pretty sure the sharks had this happen to them in a game against the flames a few years ago

[@r.five.3]

Do you think Connoly deserved a 4game suspension for the Dallas hit? What's ur opinion on it. I'm all for concussion protection but 4 games???

[@axivoNk]

was waiting for ur coverage on this lets goo

[@rogerpowers3891]

College hockey has had this rule too

[@deleteduser6074]

this has happened a fair amount of times in the playoffs in the past

[@patrickwall8517]

Blue's coach Craig Berube took the blame for this penalty. Despite all of this the Blues did wind up winning in overtime.

[@jimbobogie8204]

Those Edmonton unis look more like Ottawa! Enough already! Either light blue and orange or orange and blue (the original!)

[@thecflsaskatchewanroughrid8848]

That overtime from lean should count and game over 😊

[@yolocomics5468]

I remember this happened with Sheldon Keefe when he was coaching the Marlies

[@makeupwithsandra5801]

In your previous video you should include McDavids comments on the end chaos

[@murdechoc]

I have seen this in the NHL a few years ago, but yeah it's pretty rare

[@fndmntl5341]

Lol yea I had no idea either. I thought it was kinda stupid at first, but if you don't enforce it, people will just keep switching lines to go against the other guy lol

[@huohization]

So last night was a night of weird penalties then. Haula got a penalty for throwing his stick to his D-man who broke his stick. Never knew throwing your equipment was penalty worthy, at least in that sense.

[@thatonewriter8043]

It's probably technically against that rule, but I imagine it got called there just because there were Flyers in the area. It seems "correct", but ticky-tacky to me. I don't think I would have called it unless it hit a Flyer.

[@fabledub]

Its happened in the last few years to another team Edmonton played... Anaheim maybe?

[@filipbrekke9565]

Do a vid about zuccarello. He did a hattrick against blackhawks and scored an amazing (and controversial) goal earlier this week

[@thecflsaskatchewanroughrid8848]

Why the goals don’t wear neck guards guards

[@C_Colter57]

That's crazy.

[@5pqrt5t3r6]

Toronto was getting back at Edmonton for being fastidious when they cancelled the OT goal

[@davemercer4779]

I’ve seen this a few times once with The Leafs when playing Ottawa and the player had to leave the game against Ottawa

[@codekhalil6437]

This is as ball hockey as it gets

[@daryljohnson6738]

One of the few advantages of home ice, the only other I know is they get the last change on face-offs.

[@untexan]

It’s really an extension of the same rule, just this time it’s before the first faceoff of the game.

[@talcaron17]

This happened a few years ago with like the sharks or ducks and the guy got kicked idk if they got a pen though

[@talcat8031]

I’ve seen this happen before and remember being like what happened? It was a red wings game back when pavel datsyuk was playing

[@FusionBanana4272]

ECK HOW DID I NOT KNOW YOU HAD A HOCKEY CHANNEL WTF