This is how much faster the meta game is in Asian lobbies...

[@cammycakesgaming]

I have a bunch of OCE server friends, and it cracks me up how much faster OCE develops into the true metas.

[@2e826]

Not to say I disagree with the sentiment of what you're saying ex:OW/League/SC/etc but isn't Hynra saying this meta is possible because OCE doesn't play void titan (for whatever reason), because it sounds to me like he's saying it's very counterable by void titan starting at :48? Could be misinterpreting what you or hynra are saying though.

[@CrazyByDefault]

I play Asia, if you're not adapting every patch, you're screwed. Sweet Biz really let's me flex on people now tho

[@co865co9]

​@@2e826threadlings build are really good against void titans, ans hynra's build is great against threadlings. A lot of threadlings in asian servers so less titan

[@Mr-R.R.]

​@@CrazyByDefaultwhy's it like that in Asia tho?

[@teremleonheart3776]

@@CrazyByDefault even though these are just 2 sentences, my curiosity is instantly piqued. like the other feller above me asked, what do you think the difference is in pvp philosophy? High adaptability I'm sure is a key part, but e v e r y p a t c h e l s e y o u r e s h i t ? ? ? Damn.

[@REVOIRREVOLVE]

As someone who plays destiny 2 in the Asian Server I can tell you definitely the pvp section is so full of cracked players and cheaters, you can’t tell the difference in between.

[@nichowo]

I am a raid boss

[@yellllop9082]

what raid boss gets 2 dmg per game???

[@Avolicis]

Man, seeing higher-level crucible gameplay is almost like a completely different game to a casual like me.

[@darkwraith5546]

this is actually pretty interesting, a playstyle that only works when everyone is doing it (no titans) and it looks like way more fun than what we got in the west in general

[@tougeadventures2076]

I live in Japan, and I can say... Playing trials on Asian servers... Sucks... Everyone is insanely good

[@binhvan4893]

​@@tougeadventures2076The Chinese aimbots, sweatlords, terrible server and bullet hit lag are the real trials in Asia.

[@tougeadventures2076]

@@binhvan4893 you're not kidding

[@HolyD2Blink]

Imo you’re nuts if you think this meta would be fun after a single card

[@angelousmortis8041]

@@HolyD2Blink For real, this meta may be FAST, but it doesn't look FUN at all... And I've been using Bows since Forsaken when people where saying they were dogwater in PvP.

[@WhoLetTheBroCook]

"no void titans" SAY LESS LET ME IN

[@frenchiee_96]

Don't let him in😂 brother I played in these servers the other day and I'm pretty decent. 1.6-1.7 on average in trials and IB etc. And omg did I feel like a shitter in there😅 everyone was fucking zooming and full sending it. It was a very big adjustment

[@skintxisu]

​@@frenchiee_96man all I can think about watching this vid is how grateful I am to not play in those lobbies. I rather face 3 titans with ovs than 3 floating bois with bows and gls

[@topesimoes]

4:10 watching this makes me think of warfare and guerrilla tactics in the middle of Jav-4, like if it was Portugal during the Napoleonic wars. Everything is surprisingly so fast, everyone is rushing and nobody stays behind camping afraid, or plays on a slower pace than this

[@lemondude2196]

bro what an analogy 😭

[@ukemi-]

because everyone is confident in their shots.

[@revolutioninc7081]

First time seeing 2 actual teams go toe to toe?

[@masterjim666]

I love how the meta is evolving all the time. Avoid Threadlings? Be in the air. Why Strident over Monarque?

[@HynraCanFly]

it's faster, I use incandescent so that kills even bodyshots can spread tick damage that can linger. You can take advantage of it to ricochet grenade launcher shots or just know exactly where players are if hit with this effect. Lemon can only do that if you headshot the target and it doesn't lasts very long, however it is a passive ability and does not require a kill.

[@elchoronano]

​@@HynraCanFlyso it's just preference then

[@RequiemL34]

​​@@elchoronano preference, but tied to your performance, for how Hynra describes it, strident is faster in every way possible and incandescent achives better the tags. Le monarque is way slower but can tag passively and packs a harder punch.

[@goboyghost]

@@elchoronanour clearly sped.

[@yoshi1951]

Nice to see some full gameplay. Looks like fun

[@Corndog-]

Americans like the duels while Asians like the chaotic team shooting

[@starsade7860]

I've been playing in Asian lobbies for 90% of the time. I've never seen any lobbies that are more tryhard than it with bow-gl spams and immortal cloudstrike ximmers.

[@Blahblahblaafmn]

Especially the ximming/netlimiting, kinda incredible how oblivious people are to the fact a lot of this is just backed by soft/hard cheats

[@kupo6905]

Everyone rushing to mid like thejr life depends on it... Cammy would crave for lobbies like that, even though it's a cheese meta

[@foliagedcloud8096]

Yup. Every time I watch a video of a youtuber reviewing a new gun, I'm like cool I wanna try that! But then I get reminded that I'm OCE and get absolutely destroyed by the meta. And then I just slowly go back to the same old stuff again.

[@bedlife1]

"We're both asian so we'll be playing asian servers" LMAO

[@HynraCanFly]

You'd be surprised the amount of ppl who thinks I'm not actually Asian because I speak english and I use a VPN.

[@zeek.7]

what vpn do you use@@HynraCanFly

[@Telesto_Timelost]

The real reason why he’s so good

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

​@@HynraCanFly That's so racist. Why do people think Asians don't know how to use VPNs?....😛

[@max73916]

@@Telesto_Timelostwhole comment section laughing😐

[@MONTEZ771]

If warlocks now found a new way to get around "Snap skate" give us titans twilight garrison back lol. Nice vid!

[@topesimoes]

13:41 peak Solar 3.0 play

[@justinworkman5482]

This is what I feat checkmate is going to devolve into. Just hand holding bows for absurd intstant cooks.

[@GryphinHusky]

I'm here from the future to tell you that this is what it has devolved into, especially in Trials this weekend. If you're not running Wish-Ender, you lose.

[@rentedmule169]

One thing I will say for Asian servers is that they generally crutch shotgun aping a lot less and more niche stuff like Hawkmoon, Forerunner, or Last Word used with autistic levels of precision.

[@trollduspat9034]

autistic levels of precision is also called cheats not that all of them are cheating but why use a shotgun if you will never need spread to hit your shots

[@CPWS_The_Stingray]

Its not just Destiny, majority of competitive MMOs are played MUCH MUCH faster in Asia than the west and EU

[@life-destiny1196]

I wonder about this. Assume a relatively well-balanced game in which several strategies are pretty equally likely to get you the win. If your goal is just to win, which one do you pick? The answer is the one that ends games fastest, so that you can iterate more quickly on your strategies. As I tell my clan a lot, clearing a GM 50% of the time in 20 minutes is better than clearing it 100% of the time in 45 minutes, for example. That's not just because of the faster overall loot, it's because that 20 minute clear won't stay at 50% success rate for long.

[@xGodLeFou]

You now you are the Goat bro OMG GGS

[@ermet3514]

Holy shit the thumbnail is literally my loadout

[@tylerviloria4699]

Glad that the only weekend I didn’t play trials cause I didn’t need a new astral I got to avoid hynra😂 (side note: been on Asian servers for about 5 months now and the last 2 months of threadling spam has been REALLY annoying)

[@BirdMoose]

I'm just glad to see FarceT is a cookbook emblem enjoyer

[@TheAgentOfTheNine]

Bows are the strongest weapon if you can teamshoot consistently. It's basically a bodyshot only sniper with infinite ammo. I'd ask for a nerf or a rework if they weren't so fun to play, haha

[@HavoctheGeneticMonster]

Wait so Couch Potato = Void Titans gotcha

[@lylatdrift]

Me and my mates live in Australia so we play on OCE servers. We used to grind Trials. I think we’ve been flawless 20+ times but it’s an absolute slog. We don’t play meta, just what loadouts/gear we love and are good with. But we practiced for over a year, constantly losing until we got better and better. But the non-meta never got us more than 1 Flawless a weekend. We stop after the lighthouse, because then it’s just an unreal sweatstorm on those servers.

[@iWifty]

my god the constant snapping lmao

[@lykhaoz]

I prefer this team-centric style of play and having actual strategies. Seems fun 😊

[@MrRBX]

Doesn't look very strategic. Just chaotic

[@solarmarks3093]

There is literally zero strategy guy explaines from the beginning everyone is just rushing

[@真白-t4u]

Imagine destiny2 have full of future cool things, but the bow is the real meta ==

[@cupasaza495]

Wait, what's that fire ball you picked up?

[@alexandermojica3048]

Hello, do you know anything about how to put up the barricade instantly with the titan? I have seen many do it

[@trollduspat9034]

get cheats👍

[@loomy7966]

ignore the retard, you can place down a barricade at the end of a slide and it comes out "faster"

[@223ndog]

You’re a titan so he ain’t helping you out.

[@WatermelonCatEndoser]

The guy in the chat was telling you to go outside and touch grass mate

[@Nocxs1]

what fragments you are using ? but damns that insane

[@jiggyyyyyyy]

W hynra

[@xenocrysts]

GYATT DAMN I THOUGHT I'D BE IN THIS VIDEO WITH MY STRAND IGGY WISH BOW SWAP. Nice to see familiar names though. Love enjoying our Asia servers /s (Please kill me, I don't want to play this build, but everyone's running bow swap and I'm about to jump off the highest building I can find)

[@saltchanssshhh]

Why Militia's for the GL?

[@khelawesome]

Slideways

[@ajsultani1636]

Why is it exactly Asian servers are not plagued by PK titans but rather threadings?

[@HynraCanFly]

idk but I'm glad lol.

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

The answer to that question is rather simple. In the Vanguard, Titans primary goal was to protect the wall. Where is the world's longest wall? That's right Asia! And there you have it, all the Asian Titans are too busy defending the Great Wall of China.

[@Funky4217]

Yah man i was in korea for a few months and RARELY saw titans but god damn the threadling bow spam was insanity

[@starsade7860]

Cuz Asians want to have a low risk high-reward tryhard build. Which gives you the bow-gl-threadling spam.

[@starsade7860]

I'm Asian myself and I've been playing a lot of crucible lately, I can tell you that it is currently full of ximmers on pulse w/ snipers

[@lolframe7624]

at 11:33 how do you snapskate with your super ready?

[@HynraCanFly]

I didn't, it was my teammate

[@lanimirctsur]

I’d play a xim stack over triple bow any day. Bows are just the highest skill floor shit in the game, could put my dog on the keys with a bow swap and she’d be getting a few cards done a week

[@Moon_Truth9000]

Me and FarceT both have the cookbook emblem 😎

[@RadiBeats]

You can really fly and the games fly fast also

[@MaMmAmIaMiNeCrAfT13]

Dno, AngryScotsman, and Lelo play like this on Wisconsin servers. You can play like this when you have 3 gorillas that have zero care in the world for kds. Basically just get 2 trades and an elimination every round and each game is 2-3 min

[@trollduspat9034]

so many ppl saying that asia is better. i actually disagree why? easy many asian countrys have a liometed amount of playtime and since for them the ranked in most games is only available at certain times for ex. from 10pm to 12 pm so they have a whole different problem than us bc they want progress (as we do aswell) but for them to get the same progres they have less time. instead of using the westerns effective metas they go for a meta that ends rounds faster regardless of your win rate so they can play more games in less time (and we dont need to exept you get your wifi limeted by your parents (what i really dont think is happening if your living alone).also since they mostly need atleast 1 teammate running this build its impractical for non asia players ( how often did you ask your friend to game but he was at work or had other reasons?) and when trials is only open for 2 hours a day your mate would shurely take off for the 2 hours since he wont get any more chances to get that adept eye of sol. so in conclusion its not better or worse but its forced to be different by sircumsances they have. + if your bad and cope on asia beeing better im just saying skill issue bc im apex predator in apex top 500 in overwatch and top 250 in warzone ranked but still wont complain about the shit ive gone through to reach that

[@PejorativeDaedal]

nah. L take.

[@trollduspat9034]

@@PejorativeDaedal nah racist take

[@Fred-cz7qh]

Lots of players in OCE are Australian and NZ though for destiny 2

[@OnlyZenAUS]

I never use bows because I'm a dirty pk titan but this makes me want to play warlock. Need to start practicing with gl though cos im garbage with them.

[@we_be_vibiin-twitch]

Use fighting lion, one of us one of us one of us

[@cutzurnutzov402]

Me fighting this every game as a casual solo queue

[@anderson8786]

in the last weekend i was matched 2 times in a roll against a full stasis warlock squad with gls.

[@Centila]

sorry if you've answered this, but why do you snap before every icarus dash?

[@Slstoev]

Look up snap cancelling

[@gunsandgamingus]

there's a trend with asian lobbies liking faster gameplay for example in overwatch in high rank asia lobbies they prefer Dive way more than any other team comps

[@Fred-cz7qh]

Lots of players in the OCE are Australian players vs in overwatch it’s mostly Asian in which it’s very different

[@gommyboi380]

Damn guess im digging a hole through the earth to play on some asian servers

[@Criiies]

how do you think a team of 3 bubble titans would match up against 3 of these bow gl warlocks? If both teams were of equal, very high skil.

[@HynraCanFly]

Theoretically speaking if both are insanely good at the game, the team using snipers will always win. They also can space out their individual barricades between each rounds to always enter duels with 40 extra health. Bubble titan on a fundamental level is favored to win against almost every team comp. Maybe you can spam fighting lion loadouts but nobody is willing to put on the effort to get used to grenade launchers yet to know for sure. (just IMO perspective)

[@markshmellomd1370]

​@@HynraCanFlyepicdefender be like

[@mhtanks]

Why do you still play Trials?

[@bobby9133]

What is that movement at the start of every round is it a charged melee Icarus burst?

[@dingus9316]

There’s a vid on it, it’s just an extra movement tech to gain more momentum on ic dash I think

[@-thebatman-]

Bro u talked so fast thought I was having a stroke.

[@stoop14]

What do you mean pk titans use a different input device?

[@223ndog]

Zim

[@EBOLADINNER]

How many players are probably using third party aim assist in these clips. The whistle is a nice bow for pvp

[@hhaste]

It's really not even needed in Destiny, the hitboxes are so big as is..

[@brandenpedersen5127]

​@hhaste bullet magnetism and aim assist. Hit boxes are extremely precise and accurate in D2. Bullets are not

[@iman8738]

asia servers no matter the game are just wildly different

[@Mr-R.R.]

Why's the Asian server so different?

[@reapthebeats_9461]

If you want my uneducated guess? Proximity to the homeland of esports, South Korea. The closer you get, the more often you'll play against players with good mechanics no matter what game you choose to play. So either you A) get better mechanics, or B) use a stronger setup. With the skill ceiling for mechanics in D2 being relatively easier to reach than most shooters, A isn't very viable, so B is used instead, and when that happens, the theoretical strats that people like CammyCakes cook up become less of a theory and more of a plain to see reality.

[@starsade7860]

Cuz it's more tryhard. The PK titan is a high-risk high-reward play style while the bow-gl-threading spam is a low risk high reward play style.

[@토아본히레]

주관적인 의견이지만 굳이 말하자면 너희는 SMG랑 저격총으로 머리를 잘 때리며 팀워크를 중점으로 두고 하지만 우리 아시아는 채팅이나 마이크를 잘 사용하지 않고 머리를 잘 치는 것 보다 개인의 효율성을 더 중시하는 경향이 더 커.그러다보니 활과 유탄발사기로 모든 걸 해결 할 수 있게 돼. 르모나르크나 소원종결자가 인기가 많아.

[@lordhelmetjr312]

wouldnt 2 like 95% to 98% snipers against this team just insta loose?

[@michu020398]

This is much more braindead and annoying to play against that pk titans. Bows are the ultimate scum weapon

[@davidlewis1474]

So you can’t handle void titans is what I hear.

[@ShinoaburameX3333]

what is a PK titan?

[@JJGACA19]

What’s that GL?

[@PHDpulls]

Bow sim

[@WormChi312]

Your GT looks like it says Hernia 😂

[@kaelfulkerson]

What emblem is that?

[@zachbunch8701]

People in NA can’t even figure out how to teamshot anymore like they forgot how D2Y1 was played lol.

[@gchris925]

What is that Icarus dash tech?

[@connerobrien6181]

Snap cancel. Slide, jump, super without charge, gone

[@myHandleIsAlwaysTaken]

Ctrl+Shift+Space+F when running I guess, requires the snap melee and no super

[@lazymarkers]

yeah bro a lobby full of bows is so fun and so much better than baka gaijin lobbies!!

[@CoolGuy-fw2zz]

🤓

[@gabe5363]

My biggest flex is being a bubble titan main with sniper on controller and matching into these lobbies a ton. When i do I still get stomped because holy shit these guys are fast

[@jacobruiter592]

This style of play looks to be the most cancerous yet. I seriously do not want this meta...it might actually be the worst meta I have ever seen...even worse than Stasis OG release.

[@HynraCanFly]

Yeah bro, people using third party device on the best input device for snipers (1 shot special weapon from any range and you get 2 free ammo every round) AFK behind barricades, or invis hunter getting free damage resist/wallhacks for going invisible and 1 burst you using an insta charge fusion rifle shotgun exotic or a sniper/linear, or behemoth titans making a fortress for themselves, or chaos reach warlocks running into walls behind cover to have their supers every round - are not as cancerous as warlocks rushing and ending the games as fast as possible. We get an aggro "meta" (if you can even call it meta) so that people actual have engagements and yet it's "the worst"???

[@jacobruiter592]

@@HynraCanFly The "Blinting" of Bows or previously Mountain Top has almost no counter play except Barricades and Snipes. So I guess I am glad those exist as they are. And cheating is ass, but I refuse to acknowledge that as legitimate play. Sorry that you likely have to deal with that on the regular(part of the reason I stopped going flawless).

[@VernCarson]

​@HynraCanFly both metas are equally cancerous and need to be reigned tf in

[@woolife171]

@@HynraCanFlynah this is utter trash. worse than anything i’ve seen in the game yet. stop it

[@woolife171]

@@HynraCanFly there has never been a single counter to bow swap except sniper, at least u can dump on void titans by being better

[@vas9791]

the comment section is even better than the video itself LOL

[@chrischadler4879]

Destiny doesn‘t feel like a shooter anymore, back in the day when i was bad at the game, it was also more fun. If i want to win a game even in comp i have to sweat my skillbased lobbybalanced ass off and use every cheesy ability to maintain a leveled playingfield just to be stuck at plat 1 or whatever it‘s called while playing the top 1% and waiting 15 Minutes to find a match which consists 4/6 players of the game before. Yes i should quit d2 if i don’t like it and i did last week

[@lDoxology]

This shit is scary ngl

[@DevonForrest]

Thank you for absolutely wiping the floor with those threading hunters, scum of pvp. Total infants who cant win with gunplay so they using seeking grenades. What a joke. On a side note this gameplay is insane never seen anything like it.

[@woolife171]

sit down trash can overshield spamming titan

[@TheForbiddenMoon]

a lobby that using bow swap wouldnt end in being tbagged by everyone and their mom

[@cheukinator]

What's a PK titan?

[@Fizzbizz]

Titans using peacekeepers

[@sehr_nice]

Asian Server with a german guy :D

[@juvaungriffiths5232]

If I matched y'all I'm quitting the game 😂

[@brunoE696]

No bubble, 4 well! Bungie should block bubble and well on trials

[@grouthorax3963]

Though i realize this takes a lot of skill, its still as obnoxious to play against as a PK Titan

[@ragerdotzip1619]

Dude, THIS is what PvP should be like. I’d probably get my ass kicked instantly in these lobbies, but look how fast everyone is going. Look how there’s nobody hiding like rats in a corner trying to snipe you. How everyone understands to move as one in the beginning, then split off. A lot of the comments talk about how this is super try hard or there’s a lot of xim usage in Asian servers. But honestly? If I could play in these servers, I would. I love run and gun play, rather than either getting Arc Titans with PK just abusing their kit to play on easy mode, Void Titans basically pretending that they’re under siege and need to stay perfectly still, or generally people hiding back instead of having the gall to push and move. Even with how annoying bows are in PvP, I’d take the fast teamshots over an Oathkeepers Hunter hiding 50 feet away with Monauqre and a Rose staring at a choke

[@Dreadnotus]

Bruh, I've been annoyed with people using my tactics

[@Rahahahahha]

So the servers are just you v 5 Hynra's XD

[@somedeer5262]

i love how just because you use pks on titan you're automatically cheating

[@woolife171]

trash can titan

[@ripp123m]

Asian lobbies are free af tho

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Lobbies full of le monarchs and GLs has to be pretty miserable to play in.

[@omarlocke4351]

this video is a case in point why no one wants to play crucible. you youtubers and sweats can have this shit

[@fathergascoigne1457]

Agreed. This stuff isn't even fun. Even at hung this video it's just the most stupid and most exploitive stuff. All the snap skates and all the bows etc etc. trials and pvp I'm general is I'm a bad state and always has been and always will be bc bu gue can't code everything right and all of these KZbinrs and sweats find all this random tech that you can exploit that not a lot of people know and win just Everytime. These KZbinrs are the biggest issue with comp games as a whole ngl

[@macho8240]

​@@fathergascoigne1457Implying that Destiny is a competitive game 💀

[@slan4096]

But I remember on season 4 or 5 on Asia serves they where pure shit, it was like playing against bots, look like know they have evolve

[@slapjello5143]

bows need to be special weapons. this is the dumbest gameplay

[@DinosaurThug]

With all fue respect, I hate the choice you bow users make so very much

[@kuhakuhdisboard7471]

Define oppressive lmao, poor casuals x)

[@chewy_6195]

WTF DID I WATCHED

[@pimpnorris2097]

I know I'm ok at pvp usually but trails on the American side is full of cheaters man

[@Hinch11]

Most cancer match I’ve ever seen 😂 GL/bow would be incredibly boring. When this guy is already skilled in PVP

[@Phlexstone]

In other words..this meta is pure dogshit vs void Titans and therefore never work on EU/NA servers.

[@ivkovalev99]

This meta is even worse than titans with smgs

[@jjmah7]

TL;DR trials is easier in Asian servers 😅

[@nerdcuddles7731]

Where is the fun or even really the skill in this?

[@FollowLite]

NA-EAST servers are filled with strand dummies and bubble titan … . 😵‍💫

[@Valskyr]

asian lobbies are proof asia as a whole should be emp'd permanently

[@HynraCanFly]

nah you can stay where you are

[@Valskyr]

@@HynraCanFly thanks i prefer being european anyways (superior racial phenotype)

[@pimpnorris2097]

Like LikF he was 100% cheating