THIS is how you get over 250k Miles out of an EV!

[@tywebb9879]

Hi Mitchell, Great video and I agree with your assessment on longevity of the battery, if the warranty is 8yr/100k you can bet that the actuarial that works for Ford has assured them that even with abuse it will last that long. My use case is a daily driver and Lowes/Home Depot/garden shop on weekends. I drive 20 miles to work and the same back. I arrive home 6ish and have my charge start at 8pm. I am an older citizen but an early adopter of technology. I have the cabin condition daily (assuming the software works) and love the truck. I also have a 2022 F450 that I use for my 5th wheel. My energy costs are about 38% of my previous vehicle and when the power goes out I don't even start the generator any longer, too noisy. This is much like getting off horses and driving a Model T. It will take time, the infrastructure needs to improve, and people will get on board.

[@kylekleman]

Very well said!

[@DennisMiller-m4y]

This was the best video I have ever seen on EV battery degradation AVOIDANCE. Great job on that and other aspects of EV ownership. As a Tesla S 100D owner, I have had to get this type of information from cousins who are electric engineers. However, you explained it much better than they did, on a simpler everyday kind of way. Thank you.

[@loriw2661]

Yesterday I bought my 2023 F150 Lightening! I already love it! You’re an excellent resource. I have to say that the sales staff at Ford need to be more informed regarding these vehicles. One person said I HAD to plug it in every day & charge to 100%. Another one just didn’t know. Finally I got Alex who said the exact same things you did. I only drive 20-30 miles a day and he said I don’t need to plug in every night & it’s better not to. He said my “sweet spot” is between 20% and 80%. I love my new Lightening!

[@davids1816]

This is an absolutely fantastic video. I think a lot of people considering an EV don't realize that these are cars that, with a minimum of care, can easily last 20 years.

[@RedWingsninetyone]

People act as if you're replacing a battery every 4 years

[@davids1816]

@@RedWingsninetyone I mean, if you buy a Mustang GT and blow the motor up at 100k miles... that's going to cost some money too. You're going to spend about $50 every 5,000 miles to put fresh oil in it so there's $1000 over the 100,000 miles. If you charge at home. 1000 miles a month at 10-20 cents per kw/hr is $600-1200 vs $2,650 per year at 17mpg and $3.75/gallon. If you charge at home... and that is an if, electric cars are outrageous bargains.

[@kylekleman]

One thing you might want to clarify is that 1000 charge cycles before the battery degrades is not quite right. Typically the charge cycle rating is when the battery is degraded 20% to 30%. It’s not when the battery will likely die. Now granted, your range will be 20-30% less which might make you want to replace the battery. However you still have 160 miles of range even on the standard range. For some customers that will still be perfectly fine. Excellent work! Keep these videos up!

[@crspeedreviews-yw2iq]

Thanks for the info. My 2018 rwd long range model 3 just rolled 146k miles. It had only 48k when I bought it 19 months ago. I am the 3rd owner. Charging has been done 85 % at home and 15% at super chargers. In the last 98k miles Personally, I am on my 2nd set of tires and have replaced 1, 12 volt battery which only cost me $100 and replaced by Tesla mobile service in which they traveled 1 hour. I live in North east TX. I have been to Colorado twice , North Carolina twice and the gulf coast several times. The Tesla model 3 has been the most cost efficient most reliable car I have ever owned.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Hello from France and thanks for a brilliant video. I made the switch to an EV in March 2019 with a Kia e-Niro (Niro EV in the USA). The manual recommends charging to 100% once a month if you don't need to do it for your use case. They don't tell you the reason for this but I have learned that doing this gives the BMS a chance to look at the cell voyages across the entire pack. My car has a 64 kWh useable pack but is in fact 67.5 kWh with 294 cells in total. I just had the 90,000 km service (about 55,000 miles) and a detailed battery health check showed all cells were capable of reaching the correct voltage to prove a 64 kWh pack. There must be after about 500 partial charging cycles (my estimate) some capacity loss but there has been no discernible loss of range. What you say about charging cycles is good advice.. I typically charge once a week to 80% when the SOC is down somewhere between 25%-35%. Good luck with your channel as it must be an uphill struggle there in the southern USA to convince people that EVs are the future of the car industry.

[@demetriusmccullough5053]

That’s good info about the cooling of the battery before charging. Never thought about that thank you sir.

[@williamreding8306]

possibly the best video about electric vehicles I've seen yet. Theres a lot of nuance here, and this helps explain that... They should've referred me to this video when I bought my Lightning last fall!

[@thomaszidik9086]

Hey Mitchell, good stuff in the video. I bought my Lightning because when Ford announced the vehicle, they said they will not have any direct replacements of the battery when it needs to be replaced. They will not carry an inventory of old technology. Instead, they will only use the new version. However, if the entire battery pack will not need to be replaced, one of the ten batteries in my standard range can be added. The truck will know how to distribute the charging and discharging of the battery. A solid selling point, in my opinion.

[@sesmeltz1965]

Great video! I do the same, I set my truck (Sierra EV) to charge just to 65% each day, which gives me a bit over 300 miles. Plenty for even an unexpected trip out of town. I’m amazed by some of the comments. People with no experience with these vehicles are certain they’re bad, based on reasons that all of us using them can verify are untrue.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

Many Teslas that were built in 2012 still have strong battery health to this day. A lot of it comes down to the software and monitoring of the batteries and selective charging of individual cells. Tesla is at the head of the game when it comes to software on their batteries and energy management. I think most effective batteries are due to poor quality control, or Shoddy workmanship rather than inherent failure. On average, Tesla batteries degrade by a mere 12% after 200,000 miles (321,868 km) of usage That said: I will most likely lease my first electric vehicle. I am purchasing a Cadillac lyriq all-wheel-drive sport 3. I will most likely lease it rather than finance it, because I may end up releasing easing into an Escalade IQ. I really did enjoy driving the F150 lightning, but in order to get the blue cruise, heated, cool seats and all of the tech features I’d want they would force me to pay nearly $100,000 and I’m not doing that.

[@John__Wayne]

You actually do sell back your spent V8 and V6 when you buy a reman engine. That’s exactly how it works with gas engines when you replace them. Its called a core return.

[@dkoziolek]

I've never managed to get 300K on an ICE engine, though I've come close with several vehicles. When these cars died, I was always advised to get a new car, never to replace the engine, even though the rest of the car was in good shape. If I ever need to replace the battery in an EV, I'd expect it to be far easier than replacing an ICE engine. I'd also expect the battery to be cheaper, lighter, and offer more range than the original battery. Am I wrong?

[@MysteryVolt2015]

You are 100% correct.

[@Tooradj]

Tesla model 3 battery replacement cost $15K. The replacement battery is refurbished (not new) and has only 1 year warranty. Lightning pack cost $28K. Each module cost $4K and that is without additional parts and labor to replace it which could be significant. There is a reason people blow up their Tesla’s when the battery goes bad after warranty. Manufacturers do not design these things for a DYI battery replacement. Replacing a battery module should be as easy as replacing the battery in your flashlight; you should be able to do it yourself with any third party battery brand that meets the specs. But it is not and no one is pushing manufacturers for any standards to make it happen. All that said, I drive an EV and I believe it is worth the risk. I may change my tune when it breaks after warranty.

[@andrewlong5007]

Love the videos, best explanation of the ins and outs of the F150 lightning I have found on KZbin. I was an early lightning reservation holder but cancelled when they jacked up the prices a few times. Start of 2024 I am pulling the trigger on a standard range XLT. Tax credit off the price of the vehicle is just a no brainer in my opinion. I don’t tow things and probably won’t so this is an easy win for me over an ICE F-150. Keep up the great content Mitchell. If you have any standard range XLT’s in stock early 2024, maybe I will a trip down from Indiana to purchase one from you lol. Peace and Love

[@davidspaulding9811]

Thanks for the tips! I previously had a Chevy Volt and got the Ford Lightening. I never really knew about these practices before, but I believe the Chevy Volt automatically would keep the battery conditioned while plugged in. I remember the salesman telling me that some of the cases of battery failure is as you said heat and improper care. Not sure why Ford didn't go that route with the automatic conditioning while plugged in? But now that I think about it, that should be a setting I should look into so the battery is well conditioned before any driving. The only down side is when it is left unplugged for several days, like at an airport, could cause a bit of an issue, but not extreme unless the environment at the time was extreme. That's my only concern when using an EV as an airline worker. Otherwise, I love the truck. I always enjoyed the Volt, and now I know the Lightening will be well appreciated during my ownership.

[@demonrobertketchie5409]

Great informative video. I really like my 2022 Lightning. Had it for 1 year now. I only charge mine to 80% and do not drive it in the winter months so as to not expose it to the salt and brine used to deice the roads.

[@davewilson8308]

Lot of good information…sponging all the info I can. Just purchased a Mach E GT and love it.

[@raindog314159]

Lightning's actually do have a regularly scheduled oil and filter change for each motor, it's at every 150,000 miles.

[@Blackford86]

Where did you find this information?

[@raindog314159]

@@Blackford86 FMCDEALER workshop manual

[@chrisburch3808]

@@Blackford86owners manual

[@xilbus]

Thanks for this video. My hometown installed free charging stations. This is making me think of getting a ev. However i need 6 seats. I wish the lightning had the option of a ben seat.

[@oj9886]

Problem Is currently none of the manufactures do module replacement . Only few shops like electrify garage do that

[@sc-vl6nc]

I drive an electric vehicle and enjoy it but trying to get any car company to do warranty work that isn’t a recall is extremely difficult.

[@KentSwanson-ol7ht]

They do offer core returns for gas engines. This depends on make and model and how bad the engine failure is. This also might not be available for the ford 5.4 3 vavle due to how bad the engine failure are.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-if9gp]

I bought my 2023 ford lighting almost 2 months ago. I drive ALOT. I’ve put 8k miles in 2 months. I will see how far this goes

[@brita654]

holy crap that is allot lol

[@AlejandroGonzalez-if9gp]

@@brita654 update Currently 25k everything is great Only issue is I had the gear shifter get stuck and needed replacement. Now it got stuck again and will more likely need to be replaced AGAIN

[@brita654]

@@AlejandroGonzalez-if9gp Wow that ia a bummer. I will say when it is folding down seems a bit unsmooth...lol. I dont use that at all. When shifting it also doesnt have a super premium feel which ive seen mentioned other channels. How do you think this may have happened or which operation of it caused it?

[@the3yakuza]

A ton of good information!!!

[@angryscottishmechanic848]

The lighting's pack isn't quite the same, but from my days of hobby rc lipo packs, i think what that 90% is more for cell balance that you would have to charge at pretty low current to avoid overcharging some cells.

[@alsjogren7890]

Battery State Of Health. My old Nissan Leaf with an ODB2 plug and an APP LeafSpy shows each cell of the battery pack. Is this a conceptual standard - like could I get an APP somewhere and check those details on a Ford Mach-E, for example? I appreciated the discussion of heat. Heat is usually not an issue in Seattle, but you identified that the battery internal temperature could be high from using the vehicle. Is there a general way to know what the battery internal temperature is?

[@rafaeltb]

For those arguing: • Electric F-150 (Lightning): Likely a better choice if you are environmentally conscious, have access to charging infrastructure, and want lower long-term operational costs. It’s also ideal if you mainly drive in urban or suburban areas and do not frequently require the full towing capacity of the gas model. • Gas-Powered F-150: Likely a better choice if you frequently tow heavy loads, drive long distances without access to charging, or prefer the convenience of gasoline refueling. It’s also a strong option if you live in an area with limited charging infrastructure.

[@Demonhumper9919]

U do a good job at making have confidence in buying a ev

[@Ryan-cf6lc]

I’m really interested in F150 lightning, but I’m concerned my local dealership has no clue how to service and maintain it? What questions should I be asking at the dealership during the sales process?

[@sombritos]

This is an issue i am having right now. Each dealer that is selling an EV should have a technician who can work on EVs. At least that is my understanding. The issue that I ran into is that there was only one technician who was authorized to work on EVs and it took over a month to get a simple repair done to my EV.

[@Magicinstalls]

Your concern is very real. My Mustang Mach e has been in the shop for six weeks now with no end in sight.

[@Tnga]

EVs need much less servicing. Windshield wiper fluid and tires pretty much.

[@matthewholzmueller6292]

​@@Tngayour right to an extent. Still have suspension, body and a bunch of electrical. I wouldn't be running from a falling sky, but it's often overlooked until something happens and a qualified tech isn't available.

[@Tnga]

@@matthewholzmueller6292 from an engineering point of view, I like that there are only 20 moving parts compared to over a thousand for vehicles with a gas engine, so I think there should obviously be fewer issues down the road. I’m happy that my 10k service costs around $20 at the dealer. I am concerned about battery recalls but fingers crossed as I haven’t experienced this yet.

[@greatdane145]

Bro fast charging heat is not that big of a factor

[@FordVideoGuy]

Great video, Mitch

[@MonteVanNortwick]

keep the battery between 20 and 80 percent for long life. then you only have 60 percent typical use. but I have never heard of a 250000 mile EV. How do you avoid heat in the summer? I want fast charging to minimize inconvenience which hurts the battery. EVs big weakness is charge times.

[@Magicinstalls]

I'm kind of confused because you contradicted yourself in that you said that there are some built-in buffer in the battery. So go ahead and charge it to 100% and you'll still have that buffer and then on the other hand you're saying only charge it to 80% so which is it? 80 to 100% on your gauge would be different than 80 to 100% of actual state of charge because we cannot actually see 100%.

[@Sank1982]

That’s all well and good when the Ford Pass app works unfortunately it doesn’t. I set my Mach E to charge to 80% in the car saved local and still it ignores the setting.

[@OnePointLander]

This is like saying a gas powered vehicle can last 300k miles. Sure it can with a new transmission or other major work. The lightning will last 250k, but not without a few battery module swaps during that time

[@Coyote.five.0]

batteries charge best with some heat on them , and on every city on this wonderful country of ours prices per kw go down after 9 or 10 pm

[@davefroman4700]

Charge cycles is another reason they do not want Chinese EV's in the west. Most of them have LFP chemistry batteries. Which are routinely good for 6000-8000 charge cycles to 80% depth of discharge.

[@midcobra3]

Excellent Video; Share with friends.

[@alraguc]

What about a PHEV that has a battery with 40 mile range? If the battery can go 1000 charge cycles, does that mean their battery in that vehicle will only last 40,000 miles?

[@thomaseynon6205]

You actual battery capacity is labeled on a sticker under your truck. For example, the 98KWh battery is actually 107.6KWh

[@PrudenceHeiderscheid]

So if I live in Minnesota in winter it gets -20 below and battery goes dead and freeze and can break, it's 30,000 dollars to replace the battery on a Ford f 250 electric pickup

[@davekertscher8661]

Had mine towed 10 days ago. Error codes, stalled in my driveway. Needs a new battery cell. Wont get it back for another week. Not a confidence booster.....

[@OnePointLander]

How low do you let the battery get usually?

[@davekertscher8661]

@@OnePointLander I traded it in. Went back to Powerboost Hybrid F150. EV life drove me nuts

[@mrFIST-usa]

Tell me please. Is it normal that I can only travel 140 miles on an extended 300+ battery? No trailer, no boot loaded and no heating. when the temperature outside is 60. I just bought brand new F150 lightning platinum. And I can’t understand how people drive if a full charge doesn’t even last 200 miles.

[@matthewholzmueller6292]

How fast are you going? Usually if you're going above 70 range drops fast. If that's not it, take it to the dealer it's still under warranty, remember all service centers are not equal. Good luck.

[@mrFIST-usa]

@@matthewholzmueller6292 I took my car to the service, and they found 9 issues. They have only fixed 3 so far. It's funny because it's uncertain how long they'll continue fixing

[@PrudenceHeiderscheid]

The ford f 150 electric pickup battery cost 30,000 dollars to replace

[@jonbulau5963]

Stay away from rapid chargers and they'll last over a half a million miles and this already has been proven

[@omarlarrazabal2222]

Can you please clarify for me if after a 1000 full charges from 0 to a 100% the battery will be toasted/non usable/needing replacement?Thank you!

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Perhaps I can help. I've been running an EV here in France for almost 5 years and 90,000 km. To be clear your battery will not be 'toasted' after 1,000 full charges. Unless there is an internal fault in the battery such as a module failure, the pack will decline gradually. In reality no one charges to 100% every time and even gets close to 0%. The lowest I've ever been is 7% and our typical regime is plugging in once a week when the car is at 25%-30% range and charging to 80%. There is so much nonsense in the MSM and channels here about EVs and their batteries. The fact is that most EV batteries will still be at 80% of their original range when an ICE engine has died or needs serious $ worth of work. As EVs age we will see them on the used market at 15 to 20 years old, with perhaps 60% of their original range but still good for the school run or handing over to your kids for them to drive. And the electric motor is unlikely to fail in all that time. Hope that helps.

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Explain why 93% of all new car buyers won't buy an EV. Because you are WRONG. EV's Suck!!!

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@bob-qi4nr 93%!!!....where did you get that number from...out of a hat!? And are you talking about UK buyers? USA? Globally? In the UK EVs are now 20% of all new car sales, more like 25% is you count plug in hybrids.

[@bob-qi4nr]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 I am in the US. Here sales are at 7%

[@S.s.s_88]

true @@bob-qi4nr

[@scubatrucker6806]

Great video

[@Teamvenomracing]

You did not factor in warranty numbers! That is huge! Also, you did not factory ICE vehicles maintenance over 200,000 miles. Add those to this spreadsheet 🤠🏁

[@michaellong6737]

This video makes me want a gas motor that much more

[@scotth5357]

I have a Lightning and Mach e, both of my manuals say 90%

[@sombritos]

I would love to know my battery health without are there any products that non Tesla owners can buy that accurately show our battery health?

[@raindog314159]

Lightnings and FSD's do not have the same ply tires, lightning's use regular four ply tires, FSD's use eight ply tires..

[@yamahapiano]

4:06 after explaining that just plugging it isnt a charge cycle unless its at 0% and charge to 100% and does the math assuming that and it almost never is the case for most people. VERY misleading!

[@alexmatos2407]

They should of made the battery cover like a heat sink..

[@txkingg]

its not about replacing the battery when its dead, its having to replace because you tank is only 150 miles after 7 years

[@sesmeltz1965]

That would suck, if it reflected reality in any way. Batteries are warrantied under federal law for 8 years. If they lost that much 7 years then warranty replacements would be universal. A few percent loss is all that’s expected in modern batteries. After 20 years you’ll still not have lost that much.

[@QuietStormX]

You don't have to fully charge your EV if you don't drive that much. Say only every 2-3 days...

[@superlativeopulence]

It's called driving and maintenance

[@SumDumBro]

$35k for a battery and $4k for a module.

[@dennislezotte2361]

What hurts the battery most is if you don’t let it sit and regain a little power on its own before you charge it to 100%, if you don’t that’s what hurts the battery because you charges it to 100% plus the battery still trying to regain that little bit of power itself, and it hurts the battery. Basically, you’re overcharging the battery

[@tricorter1]

As soon as this guy started mocking someone else's voice I lost all sense of his sincerity.

[@ThatOneGuy_1.0]

It's easy ... you cant

[@702Wolfi]

I might buy one when a new and much better battery chemistry hits the market. Lithium ion batteries suck ass and then ask for seconds.

[@teop7887]

So you publish videos on how great the Lightning is... ...but have videos titled "Don't buy an EV" ... or of you happily getting rid of the actual Lightning... WTF??? Inconsistent much? 😂😂

[@paulg8065]

Step 1: buy a Tesla

[@ScantyMantis989]

Step 1:* Don't buy a tesla there doodoo

[@paulg8065]

@@ScantyMantis989funny, I sold my Model S with 260k miles and it was running perfectly. I transferred my free supercharging to a new one.

[@outkast40]

FORD ! What a poor example of an EV. The recall king has bad batteries from the factory.

[@randolphlacroix6239]

That’s not a truck, owners of that thing live in fantasy land

[@robertphillips864]

get 100 people in a group to go on a 500 mile road trip . 50 with gas 50 with electric .. refilling gas takes minimal time .. refilling electric is a hassle and time is crazy and find 50 fast chargers and pull on grid is crazy in small town and electricity is coming from fossil fuel.... pollution is not local but concentrated at the source of electric production.. cool for the rich people but what happens when all those poor people get in front of you at the charger ..oh yea the rich just pay a premium to reserve a time to jump the line..

[@alraguc]

How about around town at home? Do you realize the average driver of a gas vehicle spends about 10 hours a year fueling at local gas stations when driving about 15,000 miles per year? If you take road trips a few times per year, you won't reach those 10 hours.

[@marcelmetcalfe6900]

EV is a pain in the neck!

[@mikeflanary642]

I feel the same about ICE. We have put 13,000 miles on our EV. Had a service appt at 10,000 and they rotated the tires and filled up the wiper fluid. No oil changes, no gas station stops, just plug in at home and in the morning I have a full battery. I'm looking forward to bidirectional charging. It will be big

[@vandenbossm539]

@marcelmetcalfe6900 Do you own one or have you ever driven one or are you just saying that? Seems to be pretty common to just spew regurgitated information that you have read somewhere online but have never even driven one...

[@marcelmetcalfe6900]

I had one and gotten rid of it.@@vandenbossm539

[@harrybaulz666]

Dont think so.....and so do the majority

[@mcsmith7606]

Buy a Tesla!

[@ralpheisenbath103]

SOUNDS LIKE A FORD COMMERCIAL. A FOOL AND HIS MONEY SOON PART !!!!!

[@teucer4]

A homosexual and his anal virginity soon part